Real men plug their welder into a 25m extension coming out the kitchen window into the shed

@ShedTV

4 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes, into the socket next to the cooker!

@mrb1864

3 жыл бұрын

no that real boys real men use 50metre leads and a spare mig tip in place of the 13amp fuse lol . The UK 3 pin plug as actually pretty good design and a quality plug socket and 2,5 wiring handles around 20amp pretty easily . I worked in the industrial sector in Asia for over 10 years and that the real eye opener on poor electrics :--)

@298CRE8

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrb1864 i send my welding to Asia and its like they've never seen metal stuck together without porosity only certain places obviously but still 😅✌️🤫

@malcolmyoung7866

2 ай бұрын

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I'm getting a stick welder and I'm a complete novice so I was very glad to find this video. My compressor trips my fuse so I will get my sparky out to fit a 16amp socket and uprate my fuse. Thanks for the vid 🤓

Thank you for tip. It's really informative.

I was wondering about if you needed a special plug in the UK like we need in the US, we have to use special 240v "industrial" plugs for our welders, as a stander US plug will limit you to 125v or 125 amps on a 200 amp machine.

I'd use 4mm hookup flex all the way from welder ( replacing the cable it came with) to an old style MK K772 3 pin plug 15amp.) It's rated at 15amp, but it can carry twice that and not get warm. Then 4mm (6mm if long run) to dedicated 25 amp rcd or rcbo in consumer unit. Nothing will get warm or cut out.

Thank you really useful

Good vid

Thanks for the video. Very helpful, cheers for that.

@ShedTV

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Very useful - thanks for that.

@ShedTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

U think?I have already spur off freezer fused connect box will this be ok run spur to shed ?

hi can you help me with an air compressor ,,,im in the uk ,,ive got 150l air compressor ,its says on it 16amp 350v ....what size of amp should I put on the mean board ,and what do I need ,,ive got the wire all connected to the garage ,,thank you if you could help me please

What's the lowest ampage and type ( b c d ) MCB breaker people can use for welding . My current consumer unit I seem to only be able to get type b MCBs for, before I used to mix brands without issue but apparently that's a problem

@tazarcher3880

3 жыл бұрын

My 190A lincoln machine requires a type B 16A MCB which trips at fault currents of 3-5 times rated current.

Hi advice please I'm in the UK & bought a Mig welder & it's blowing the fuse when Cranking the amps up it says need a16amp plug have armour cable to my shed what do l do to sort this out so l can buy the parts for the Electrician Thank you for making & sharing your videos there a great help Regards Steve

Thank goodness for a U.K. based video, electricity is a dark art to me enough and systems different than ours confuse me even more. My welder has a European (Polish) 16 amp plug, which I've ordered a 10 meter blue extension lead for. That is just long enough to reach my tiny shop. I've also got a 16 amp to 13 amp splitter which I’ve left the 13 amp fuse in, as I say electricity isn’t my thing so I’m better leaving well alone. My welder is a 200 amp MIG/MMA, it’s my first welder which I’ve bought more for small house/workshop jobs now I’m semi retired. I have some disabilities and won't be welding any iron girders any time soon. My questions are two fold please, what sort of power would I be able to expect out of my machine? And is this the right setup? I can't put a new socket in my 'shop for several reasons and my machine is rated 100% at 130amps/21v or 60% at 180amps/23v. I would really appreciate any advice you can offer please? I’ve subscribed to your channel, thank you.

@ShedTV

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Harris Thank you. The 13a fuse will protect your cable and equipment. Whether you have sufficient capacity to run your welder, I’m not sure. Perhaps one of the other commentators can help?

@markharrisllb

4 жыл бұрын

ShedTV Thank you very much for the reply, it is appreciated.

Hi I need caravan plugs like u my new welder tripped electric but breakers didn’t go off 😮

From my shed l laid twin an earth in hosepipe laid in concrete, into kitchen wired into the cooker socket and a 16amp breaker in place of the 32amp breaker. I have used various welders, currently using a Esab inverter, no probs.

Hi, nice video. Just about to install a similar 63amp consumer unit in the garage. Would you know the amps of the mcb at the house that supplies the armoured cable. What size armoured cable did you use - looking at using 10mm myself. Thanks Eddie

@ShedTV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Eddie. From memory it was a 63a MCB in the house and I'm pretty sure it was 10mm SWA. The distance to the consumer unit was about 15m. The earth went to a local spike. I can't go and look as I don't have the barn anymore. I'm not an electrican, so please don't take my word that this is the correct practice though. Cheers, Keith.

@erf05

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShedTV Hi Keith, Thanks for the prompt reply. Pretty much the same distance for me. Not doing the work myself. Just trying to work out cost of materials before getting in touch with an electrician. Cheers Eddie

Is it possible to just buy one of those all-in-one leads with 16a plug->RCD->13a plug for 15 quid from Toolstation/screwfix? I'm looking to start welding and have no idea about electrics

@tazarcher3880

3 жыл бұрын

The 13a plug will be the weakest link.

Roughly how much would it cost to get an electrician in to do this.. parts and labour ?

@erisi6204

5 жыл бұрын

I'd like to know this too if anyone can share any information for prices in Yorkshire area

I already used 200amp gas less mig welder on extension cord 13amp no problem when tried it on new example Wi-Fi socket it went off.think use caravan plugs like u .got my campervan on caravan plug charging my lifepo4 battery from house 😊

Need connect to cooker circuit I]u think?

Need this in my garage have a similar supply set up from the house (about 40 meters from garage) WON'T be doing this myself...electricity..?? Feckin' hate handing it.

I have installed a D type MCB for welding

@ShedTV

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Turner How does a D type differ?

@paulturner3861

4 жыл бұрын

​@@ShedTV Type D Circuit breaker has a minimum trip current of 10 to 20 times rated current. Used for loads with a very high inductive component such as welding equipment.

@ShedTV

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulturner3861 Great, thanks. As I've moved to a new place I'll be installing one of those.

Hello can I plug the following tig welder into a normal house hold socket. This one is from machimart at just under 100 pounds product is the CLARKE MMA/TIG120 120 AMP INVERTER MMA/TIG WELDER It comes with a 13 amp fitted plug so i understand from the specification details Thanks and let me know please

@malcolmyoung7866

2 ай бұрын

Hello, I have two welders one a 'Lidl Special' and a Eland Mig 230 that is an industrial machine but still single phase (240V). Both my machines work off of a normal plug socket although I'm thinking of 'upgrading' the Eland up to a 16 AMP dedicated plug socket. The Lidl machine has never tripped a breaker in the 5 years I have used it and yesterday I had it running on an 20m extension cable (at one point welding for 30 secs continuously)...No problems at all. I wouldn't be too worried about your set up I think your home supply should be okay and it will let you know quickly if its not happy. Fuses and breakers do that for you it would ony be a 'worry' if the machine had been modified or tampered with in some way.

Would using 4mm cable work on those plugs

@ShedTV

4 жыл бұрын

Generally the terminals in 16amp plugs are big enough, yes, but I can't see any benefit unless you just happen to have some 4mm.

Why have you got a separate earth cable when you could use the steel wire to carry the earth?

@ShedTV

6 жыл бұрын

Christopher Claridge The cable to the shed existed when I took it on, but I discovered that no earth was made at the supply end. I did not want to disturb the connection at house consumer unit, so opted for an earth rod just behind the wall outside. It is effective and the rcd test button works.

@SuperClaridge

6 жыл бұрын

I was just wondering. That's all but I like the idea of 16 amp supply and great work

it keeps blowing when I connect it to 13 amp socket

Are you sure you bought that c-form plug? Looks liberated to me 😉

@ShedTV

7 жыл бұрын

Richard Sharp Nah, we've only got cheapo ones at work!

I was hoping to see what sort of MCB you used in the consumer unit for the e16amp supply. Not even a little peek into the consumer unit was allowed. What a spoil sport!

Interesting - I assume you don't need 3 phase power to your house for a 16 amp hard wired welder?

@ShedTV

4 жыл бұрын

Not for a simple 16a single phase socket. You probably have 60a or 100a single phase coming into your house.

@CookRacingUK

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShedTV Ta. I saw some advice that you needed 3 phase for all hard wired welders but assumed they meant ones at higher amps.

Hoe much amperage can one safely take out of a 16amp line then?

@1700iDiGuy

5 жыл бұрын

Raymond Karlsen Line Amps? Welding amps? Continuous or momentary peak?

For a 13a plug top fuse to blow in about a minute you are probably pulling closer to 18-19a

@ShedTV

7 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed. I had a look at the information plate on the welder, it claims to draw 17a continous at maximum output wattage and peak higher than that. It's fitted with 1.5mm cable and I used 2.5mm for my socket, so hopefully I should be OK!

@ulfmusskacken

7 жыл бұрын

you should use 2.5 all the way, just in case

@ShedTV

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your thoughts. I'm happy to be corrected, but the way I see it is as follows. The welder is fitted by the manufacturer with 1.5mm PVC cable which is capable of carrying 16 amps continuous current and I have fitted a pair of connectors rated at 16 amps. The reason I used 2.5mm Twin and Earth from the fuse board to my socket is that the earth cable within T&E is 1.5mm. By my rough calculations the MCB will hold for a maximum of about a minute and a half at 20 amps at any one time; peak loading above 16 amps during welding is momentary. I therefore believe that I have satisfactorily protected myself against mechanical damage to either cable as well as providing overload protection to a suitable standard. I don't think that replacing the welder's supplied cable is necessary.

@markh9246

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShedTV could get your clamp meter on it to see how many amps its drawing. The manufacturer should of overrated the cable to 2.5mm and fitted their plug with 16amp plug like you have. 1.5mm cable drawing near maximum Amps is not good for it.

Bought a welder of a freind told me he's never used it for 25 quid I snatched It up, get it home still in it wrapper thought what a bargain, come to use it and there was no plug on it so I was about to stick a 13 amp on then noticed a white label stating I need a 30amp spur, after your video I'm guessing it's pretty much the same deal, so now I no why its never been used 😐

Can’t u just put a 16amp fuse in the three pin plug?

@theoprice721

4 жыл бұрын

I have a adapter from the blue 240v to three pin and the three pin 13 amp fuse keeps blowing

@ShedTV

4 жыл бұрын

You could, but the contacts in the 13a socket are likely not to be able to take the extra current.

@6lr6ak6

4 жыл бұрын

@@theoprice721 Folk normally just use 3 pin plug, remove fuse and solder a wire across, that's what l did.

@JayGee6996

2 жыл бұрын

@@6lr6ak6 am I missing something or are you suggesting that most people remove the fuse and replace with a solid wire?!

8 mm bolt would work in the 13amp plug to get over you issue

@ShedTV

3 жыл бұрын

😁

Them sockets are too fugly, a BS-546 15 Amp plug & socket are far nicer (they don't stick out like a sore thumb!), and capable of handling ridiculous amperage despite their official 15A rating... :)

@ShedTV

4 жыл бұрын

I know what you're saying! Funnily enough I'm very familiar with the old 15a plug having worked for 30 years in the theatre industry where they were traditionally used for stage lighting equipment and cables. Indeed many venues still use them. A fused plug is undesirable, we prefer to keep all the fusing (rcd and mcb now) in one location. The theatre I work for changed to 16a cee-form during refurbishment about 10 years ago. Despite intially having reservations about their size and the need for two-handed operation, I think on balance the more rugged 16a with it's protected pins and superior cable grip are the better option. We even have black ones in the entertainment world now. As for the current carrying ability of the old 15a, I would agree that the Duraplug plug and trailing sockets are over engineered, however none of the available wall or panel mount sockets are realistically capable of runnning at more than their 15a rating and I've seen many fail through overloading.