I believe still saying to Gordon they were going to take his version of 10 years ago was undeniably cruel. They could have just gone back in time again without even telling him.

@summguyy

Жыл бұрын

Glad someone else gets it I watched this series on my own and felt like I was going insane during this scene, I sort of understand the point of the plot contrivance to make the ending of it hit even harder, but as nice as that was, it not making sense in the plot wasn't worth it, I don't see why Gordon couldn't have also switched his weapon from stun, killed crew that showed up and live happily ever after, and in that scene it didn't even cross his mind he just lays on his back belly up accepts defeat

@tedcomet3121

Жыл бұрын

@@summguyy because unlike them he's not evil

@s3xDrugSandRockNroll

3 ай бұрын

Well for the ethic system of 2400 maybe that's just normal, dont forget that you cant judge people from a totally different period!

@BlackEagle352

3 ай бұрын

It was just out of spite.

@Kuratius

3 ай бұрын

They could have taken both.

This episode was a complete gut punch. I've been a fan of The Orville from season one and one of my favorite episodes was the one where Gordon fell in love with Laura four hundred years after she was dead but, this episode took it to a new level, it's far and away one of the best time travel stories I've ever seen. When Gordon opened that door ant Talla was standing there with that look on her face you knew he was going to lose his family one way or another. It was heartbreaking and this should win multiple Emmy awards.

@ScottMcMaster-er4xj

6 ай бұрын

Its the best Trek show at the moment and it kills me that they might not get a 4th season. This is so much better than any other trek since TNG. It might slip by as parody but this show is more serious and far better than the new actual trek being made.

@robertchapman7451

Ай бұрын

That crew would never be my friends agin after that they'd be my victims

This episode took the time travel trope and spun it on its head! The genuine heartache of knowing that they were erasing his family from existence was hard! Superb writing and acting this season! The Orville has definitely grown! I was extremely skeptical of investing into this show since it was on Fox (notorious for canceling shows ie: Terminator SCC) since moving to HULU, I'm ALL IN!!!

@jrstoelting

Ай бұрын

You went with the Sarah Connor Chronicles, and not Firefly?

This episode was so gut wrenching. There was no perfect solution and everybody was as equally justified as they were flawed. This episode is my absolute favorite of any show ever!

@tedcomet3121

Жыл бұрын

Nope they could have just not told him about jumping back earlier.

@glyakk

Жыл бұрын

@@tedcomet3121 While this is true, I do not agree that would have been a great outcome. It would have done two things. Obviously, the storyline would not have been as intense, and it would have made Ed feel a bit darker. Like he was ok overriding his friend's decision (that he willfully made) without at least confronting him about it first. You feel the weight of the situation because they don't treat it as flippant.

@tedcomet3121

Жыл бұрын

@@glyakk they could have lied to him said they respected his decision, and not been irredeemably cruel

With writing like this…THERE’S GOTTA BE A SEASON 4 and 5! I don’t care about a TED series or even another season of family guy. This series is better than Star Trek, especially compared to the current new series. Except the cartoon Lower Decks (I love that show too!) Seth has to keep Orville going!

@ld.j4391

2 ай бұрын

I dont get that either. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of all Seth’s creations but Ted is just meh to me. And Family Guy is getting more boring every season. We need more seasons of the Orville

@darkopz

Ай бұрын

That’s because it’s doing what TNG did. Drop all the sci-fi quick action stuff for weekly moral delimas. It’s what made TNG and Voyager amazing.

@jhimso1018

Ай бұрын

​@@ld.j4391I don't think Seth writes for family guy anymore he just voices

@queterian1526

Ай бұрын

@@ld.j4391 but Orville's story is over... what is left to tell?

Gut punch of an episode. I was so happy to see Laura again and even happier for Gordon that he found her and had a family. Their chemistry was really strong I always loved that relationship.

Can Gordon get a single win? Just once.

@jamesfrankel7827

8 ай бұрын

He's going to get a time traveling sandwich.

This and the two topas episode were the best of the season and in the tops for the series. More Please: Ethical/moral quandaries in a sf setting among characters we care about.

Here's my prediction: Later on in the Season we're going to see something happen similar to in Season 2 where the timeline changes because Gordon didn't stay in the 21st century. The crew will discover that 2025 Gordon was right in that him having 2 kids in the past lead to his family line creating the Planetary Union, so they find a way to send him back in time again to return to Laura. And at the end of this episode, the sandwich that Gordon sent forward 3 months will arrive in front of the rest of the crew and they'll have a good laugh about it.

@sasuke22dante

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Ed and Kelly were the ones who messed with the timeline. They need to take Gordon back to Earth, wipe his memory and leave him stranded, it's the only way.

@archang3l7

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that would happen because when they rescued him from 2015 and came back to orville, the orville and the planetary union is still there even after erasing the 2025 timeline.

@st3v3n60

2 жыл бұрын

I predict the season will end with the Orville recognizing that the universe would have been better off if they had died in the dark matter nebula as was their fate. The crew will vote to go back in time one last time and die. That will fix the timeline.

@youarebusteduser

2 жыл бұрын

@@archang3l7 wrong. They picked up the version of him from a month after he was stranded in 2015

@archang3l7

2 жыл бұрын

@@youarebusteduser yeah i know i just didn't mention it that way . But still when they came back the union is still present with the 2025 timeline being erased, so there is no possibility for Gordon's kids to be reason union exists

*Gordon Malloy, Pilot and Flight Engineer, Dies at 96* Mr. Malloy died peacefully at his home in Pasadena, California on July 12th, 2068. He was an exceptionally skilled pilot and maintenance mechanic for a local charter airline. He moved to Pasadena from rural Connecticut in 2018 and married his beloved wife, Laura Huggins, a singer and teacher, the following year. Little is known of Mr. Malloy's life before he moved to Pasadena. According to acquaintances, he earned his private pilot's license in his late teens, and was largely self-taught as an aircraft mechanic. Colleagues described him as one of the most intuitive and insightful aerospace specialists they had ever known, with a knowledge of engines, aerodynamics, and electronic flight systems surpassing that of many graduates of top-tier universities. In a career spanning more than three decades, Malloy logged some 25,000 flight hours in a variety of commercial and experimental aircraft. He was certified to fly contra-rotating twin propeller planes, single, twin, and triple-engine jets, and, late in his career, hypersonic trans-atmospheric vehicles powered by liquid, hybrid solid, and metallic hydrogen fueled rocket motors. His favorite flying machine was a single-seat, jet-powered stunt plane he designed and built himself. Although he clearly had the skills and the experience, he never sought to break records or impress his friends and family with extraordinary maneuvers, preferring to maintain a low profile and spend his off hours tinkering with some of his classic German sports car and home-built plane. He received numerous offers to fly privately for wealthy business executives and famous celebrities for much more money than he earned on lo[???] flights but as far as anyone knows he never deprived himself of these opportunities. After work, Mr. Malloy spent most of his free time with his wife and son. He was a devoted father and husband to his family hiking and camping in the Sierra mountains, and in the first weeks of summer, on [???] drives to the coast of New England. His wife Laura described him as a homebo[???] prankster. Even in the most trying times, he could always make her laugh. He enjoyed watching movies and classic sitcoms, and attending professional music performances at local clubs [???]houses. Malloy retired from the aviation business but continued to consult on various transportation engineering projects, focusing in his final years [???]to-electric propulsion systems for hovercraft for aircraft mechanics and flying was only [???] love for his family. He is survived by his wife, his son Edward, and two granddaughters. Funeral [services were] private. In lieu of flowers, the family requested donations in Mr. Malloy's name be made to the [???] Sanctuary.

@Chongosworld

Жыл бұрын

It states wife and son but she was pregnant when they went back for him? Could the timeline have already known? Did she lose the baby? Man this episode was harsh

@legokiller3579

Жыл бұрын

Bro why’d you have to make him die on my birthday

The idea gordan does not remember is a crime. Perfect villain arc.

Seth and cast have made an emotionally charged sci fi comedy drama that resonates on every level. It just feels right..

This is the pinnacle of Star Trek stories. This is an excellent episode. The only dramatic extra was telling Gordon they would just go back to 10 years ago.

@thebyrdcage8619

Ай бұрын

What a great performance from Scott grimes as well.

I would have loved it if that alternate fractured timeline also existed and the paradoxical children of Gordon Malloy made it their mission to take revenge on the Union for taking away their father.

I was so devastated for Gordon he really deserves love and his happy settled life was taken away 😭😭😭

@user-cd5cg7vi9n

2 ай бұрын

Family is important

This is a powerful episode, I recommend it to all.

Season 4 please, and give Gordon a happy story. Please!

@robertchapman7451

Ай бұрын

He is a man all they do is hurt men in this show

This show is the best show I've ever watched

Twice in a lifetime episode reminds me of Star Trek's City on the edge of forever there are lots of elements that are similar Kirk is looking for McCoy who's run off and Seth MacFarlane's character is also looking for someone who's run off but there's other similarities as well

@NatiAt430

6 ай бұрын

Yes! And the element of extreme sacrifice that both Kirk and Ed had to make to save the timeline 😢

I hated how they took Gordon away from his family, that wasn't justifiable

@darthnowlan

Жыл бұрын

It was terrible. They could have just brought Laura and kids with them to the future like Gordon wanted.

@Vydio

6 ай бұрын

I am not convinced it was necessary to erase his family. They weren't supposed to exist? Oh well, they are here.

@queterian1526

Ай бұрын

@@Vydio if Laura married Gordon she'd never left her phone & data to be preserved thus Gordon would have no way to find out about her, time paradox

@infernoking8353

17 күн бұрын

@@queterian1526she had put her phone in the time capsule in 2015 and after that she met Gordon

If you look at 0:25 you can see multiple versions of Gordon like Time Remnants.

I love this episode, a great thing with the Orville is that they are revisiting characters that we knew from previous seasons, thank you, keep the good job

After this episode, I don't like Captain Mercer very much. That was horrible to just tell Gordon he was going to go back in time and erase his family

@darthnowlan

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Ed should've just brought Gordon and his family back with them to the future.

@elder-woodsilverstein7716

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I think they should have done. They should have told Gorden he can stay, and then go back and get his 2015 self. Yeah its still messed up, like putting down a dog, but it would have been more merciful instead of just telling Gorden he and his family are going to be erased from existence.

@darthnowlan

2 жыл бұрын

@@elder-woodsilverstein7716 That would've been terrible.

@OneGaurdian

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonbennett7002 If I were Gordon I'd have mixed fee;lings.

I think they missed a real opportunity with Gordon's time travel episode, they did the same thing most sci-fi especially series do by erasing the events of the time traveling( they learn their lesson and get sent back/they fix the machine/it was a simulation/they recreate the accident etc). They could have brought his family back with them, sure he would have been 10 years older than he was "yesterday" by the Orville's time perspective but he was perfectly happy and rightly so to trade that time for his family especially as it wasn't really a trade as he lived those years with them and wouldn't simply be losing time. There was really nothing saying Laura being in her original time was vital to the Orville's present, the vast majority of people have pretty well zero impact on history save for when they have children as those have their own and so on until someone "important" is born, one average person that never invents/discovers anything or never saves the life of someone that then does begets a bloodline or never has kids of their own will have zero impact on things 400 years later. By having his family come forward in time with him they would have had a genuinely unique take on the fairly standard at this point "time travel episode", they'd have been able to explore storyline of Laura adjusting to the jump in technology and culture, their kids would have rounded out the child character group opening up storylines between the kids themselves and the adult characters having to interact with each other as parents, given Gordon and Isaac's friendship we'd likely have seen some "couples' double date night" episodes and a "Clueless man and equally clueless but for a different reason android try to figure out what they did wrong" or two. And by bringing them forward that would solve the "this reality was never supposed to exist" as there would no longer be "extra" people in the past to effect the future so events after they left would playout the same as they originally did. The only reason Gordon was ok with it at the end of the episode was because it wasn't real to him, to him it was nothing more than a story being told to him that happened to "someone else", he still believed Laura married Greg after donating her phone because he doesn't remember learning they got back together only to eventually breakup again for good like 6 months later nor did Ed and Kelly ever know that as they never gave Gordon the chance to tell them and instead accused him of changing the past to/by stealing her away from Greg. Their entire reasoning for having to "fix" the timeline was based on the idea that Laura was "supposed" to marry Greg, but the only evidence they had of this was text messages complaining about guys dated after the breakup and saying at least his flaws were a known factor to settle for, only castaway Gordon knew that never actually happened in the first place. Frankly I don't get how Ed being the person he is could live with himself after violating his bestfriend in such a horrific way, he not only effectively killed his family he robbed him of even knowing he should be angry about it.

@queterian1526

Ай бұрын

First, it'd violated the Union's policy on preservering timeline; second, Gordon wouldn't know about Laura in the first place because she'd never left her phone data memorized.

They erased his family because of a law, but it was okay to go back in time to stop the robotic invasion….

@darthnowlan

Жыл бұрын

And go against orders to help Topa out in the previous episode.

So many good things about this plot - of course, if you are one of those "Gordon" types, when faced with "don't adjust the timeline just in order to exist" you will ADJUST the timeline in order to exist, children and wife notwithstanding LOL. But the "if you'd rescued me when I asked, not ten years later" bit was brilliant! A variant of this, even with the reference to the cellphone from 2015 could be a SEASON 4 by itself (subtle hint to Seth) - each main character has their own time travel bit, that's like 10 episodes already, huh? Kelly had hers, Gordon had his, how about Topa etc, even the "waffles" guy from Engineering?

One of the best eps of the show. Can't wait to see more!

The Aranov device visually split Gordon into many Gordons. Apparently, he had a lot on his mind. I think each Gordon created a new universe and that we'll see more of exactly what happened in a future episode. IMO, the Gordon in 2025 still exists, only he's in a different universe. I predict travels through the multiverse should _The Orville_ be renewed.

This series deserves so much Attention. One of the most UNDERRATED Series.

This episode was soooooo good. I was crying just about everytime Gordon and his family were on scene. But when Talla showed up at his doorstep, the dam broke. *Spoilers* However. While that scene was extremely emotional, I think Ed could have had the best of both worlds by just letting 2025 Gordon be and just going to the past and grabbing him. I think forcing Gordon to come in the 2025 timeline would have been very messy and possibly could have caused more damage than what was already being caused. And honestly, his 2025 self seemed to be the Gordon that the computer file pulled up. And I get that Lamar and Isaac said that everything wax in flux. So I wonder if permanent affects weren't yet affecting everyone due to proximity of the Aranov device (similiar to how the Enterprise was able to not be affected by changes to the timeline in First Contact) and that in time, people would forget that Gordon served as a pilot on that ship. Saying that though, one has to wonder as to the kind of future that pops up when a ripped apart family now has a vendetta on that future. As Lamar said, temporal mechanics are muddy. And we can ask these questions all day long and spin round n round. Thank you Orville for these fantastic episdoes.

This was a really great story with a cool twist from your generic time travel sort of thing, very very much enjoyed this.

The best show ever!!! It's smart sci-fi and Seth MacFarlane is awesome.

Man that episode really hit me they had to erase his family his timeline he made Seth said so clear he took two life that day

The ONLY reason I got HULU was for the Orville

@reynoldstheoplis94

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

I can't believe how good season 3 was...

They were really unredemably evil for telling Gordon they were going to erase his family. Just lie and say they accept his decision, and go back earlier anyway.

@queterian1526

Ай бұрын

Apparently the Union got policy that whoever is involved into timetravel shall erase all their traces from existence, basically comitting suicide. Now that's a harsh policy.

Genius show

How do you introduce a future sandwich that never shows up? Was it a plot device showing his casual attitude toward the timeline?

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This episode is similar to city on the edge of forever from Star Trek in the 60s

I loved this episode. So emotional. Best episode of the Orville so far.

This show is absolutly amazing. This episode and last especially. After his animated stuff I’m happy

Gordon Malloy is a funny guy. 😁

This episode brought me to tears!!! Love The Orville

Bring it back

I would've had that they find out about when Gordon is, via a video in the cellphone LOL! Or in their simulation thingy

I love this show, but I do have a nitpick, we know that this is fantasy, but there are still rules to maintain the suspension of disbelief, so basically they established a rule and break them themselves, the sandwich example set the rules that they should send the sandwich back or there would be a temporal paradox. Then they created one by rescuing Gordon before he send the distress call telling him the time he was stuck in. But the show said that they didn't create one by saying that Gordon's son and baby would never be born.

@dennisbrown5313

2 жыл бұрын

The sandwich was sent forward in time - that creates no paradox's that I know. As for going into the past, those paradox's are endless and impossible to solve via sci fi writing. So, stuck with that mess and just have to roll with it.

@SpicySiopao

2 жыл бұрын

@@dennisbrown5313 I'm not talking about the sandwich send forward in time, but the one sent to the past, the one where Gordon said they should not send the sandwich back so they would have 2 sandwich, but not sending the sandwich back would create a paradox, same thing with not sending the distress call, by rescuing him earlier, the distress call was not sent. They could have solved that in different ways but they did not bother. The stories are still great but the writing is getting bad, the show lost its humor and for the sake of the narrative some scenes are written badly or doesn't make sense, like the latest episode (spoiler alert) 3 crew member are lost without contact with evidence of blood and no search party was sent out or no urgency in finding them, also killing everyone else but the torturer should be left alone to the point they gave a direct order to a father that just saw his daughter get tortured to let him go?

I remember this episode. It made me so sad for him. But it also needed to be done. Gah.

Ed and Kelly were just terrible in this episode 😞

So... Hulu... when is season 4 premiering? 🤠

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wow

Really hurt for Gordon in this one.

Letting Gordon stay in the past would've changed nothing, fact is the majority of us are absolutely insignificant and not only have zero impact on history but will be entirely forgotten within a hundred years of our deaths.

@alansmithee419

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that this is a chaotic system (as in mathematically chaotic). Time travel in sci-fi always mentions big events, like "one of your great grandchildren might cause ww3" or whatever, but big things like that aren't really relevant. Any difference, no matter how small, can have a huge impact a couple hundred years in the future just by rippling out from that starting point. A tiny change today results in a completely different system down the line. A single person making a single different choice (like taking a different job) can lead to further changes in other's choices (e.g. those of the co-workers they would've had, and of the co-workers they do have now), which leads to other differences (e.g. through the people those co-workers interact with outside of work, or future jobs those co-workers take) etc on and on into the future. within a couple decades this could lead to thousands (or more) of people being married to completely different partners, and having completely different children etc. Within 100-200 years the political state of the world may be unrecognisable from what it would've been had that one decision not been made, because so many entirely different people from who would've been born have been instead. Malloy had an entire lifetime of making such choices, which could've (would've) had a profound effect on the future. A person doesn't need to do something "important" or be remembered to have a tremendous effect, because the system they're a part of is chaotic.

@AutumnWoodham

Жыл бұрын

never heard of the butterfly effect have you

2 things that for me abit miss on this episode. first, why Ed won't just simply say goodbye to Gordon and pick him up on 2015 instead of saying it out loud. second, Ed and Kelly sad thinking about Gordon family but what about Laura "real" family, they forgetting Gordon shouldn't be there in the first place

My favorite episode. But a question? On a Timmy wimmy thing. If Gordon would have went back with them. Then as his older self. His relationship with his wife and son and unborn child would have been part of history. It happened. They would still exist. Just his history from then on would have changed(his Obituary for example).

Literally hated Ed and Kelly so much in this one..

Time travel does exist

i never watch this show but the guy on it gosh i miss watching ER

Real question. Did Gordon ever enjoy that sandwich he sent 3 months into the future?

@DanielS2001

Жыл бұрын

Simple Answer: Yes. And he is really happy to see it.

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I'm interested in how they know it was a future that was never supposed to happen. Because it happened by mistake? People get pregnant and people die by mistake. A mistake doesn't inherently mean that the result was not supposed to exist.

This would have been a good episode if not for the Charlize Theron episode.. They have already established the Orville shouldn't exist and anything it does has already made massive hits on time.

IT WAS SO HARD TO WATCH THIS WHAT WAS WAS GOING ON WITH GORDON 😫😭

Little boy lost - twilight zone

this in a way was a hard episode to watch knowing there was a reality where gordon had a wife and two kids and got completely erased

That was one of my favorite episodes this season it was sad to see Gordin having to lose his family but that time line wasn't meant to be.

they should've left GORDON in the past

@darthnowlan

Жыл бұрын

Or bring his family back with them to the future.

How is that playing Gordon's wife?

@mirandamullet8334

2 жыл бұрын

The actress who was Blair on gossip girl.

@daimonhampton

2 жыл бұрын

@@mirandamullet8334 I didn't watch gossip girl lol

Hmm. Time travel. It's a tempting prospect. There are so many untidy strings to pull. That pulling one of these apart. Can lead to huge ramifications of staggering possibilities. I have quite a few of them, myself! Would I want to do so by this? Temporal laws were established in Star Trek Discovery and in previous series of Star Trek, that postulated that to do so! Would have huge ramifications of staggering complexity and could upset many applecarts. If I was offered the chance of going back into the last 20 years of my life, for instance. What would - or could - have happened! The only thing that I could be certain of. Is that it would be different. But what about the consequences of this choice? It cannot be calculated.

If there using the time travel rule that all choices create a universe, then them going to get Gordon doesn’t change anything his new universe/time line still exist. Like Trunks from Dragon BallZ his timeline doesn’t erase just because they did something in the past. The past and future are just another universe

If anyone has seen the waters of mars from doctor who then you will know what i say How victorious of them

He should have killed all three and stayed in 2025 with Leighten.

People need to stop pissing on Isaac, Charly is just pissing me off, he didn’t destroy her ship, the rest of his kind new where Earth was, it ain’t on him, it’s on primary

@darthnowlan

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah really not liking Charly.

@kraytsclaw6747

2 жыл бұрын

@@darthnowlan Thank you 👍

@darthnowlan

2 жыл бұрын

@@kraytsclaw6747 Your welcome.

@montgomeryscottys8213

2 жыл бұрын

Charly keeps repeating the same lines… it’s getting old. She needs more depth as a character

@elder-woodsilverstein7716

2 жыл бұрын

Charly is a character I am REALLY split on. Now to be fair she isn't an awful charcter. She is acted well, and her drama, hating Issac, is goof ro the story. The down side is that, that's her ONLY stake in the plot. Almost every episode that includes her, when ever she is given a scene, all she does is tlake abotu how Issac shouldn't be trusted and how she hates him. Like I said, thats good drama, and it even brings out the question of 'How much of your onw feeling should you sacrifice fro your duty' but thats all we get out of her. Theres no variation, no development; like @Montgomery Scottys says, she repeats the same lines and does the same stuff over and over again. Where the other characters have several stakes in the plot, and can display different types of drama and conflicts, Charly is pretty much a one trick pony. Anyway, she might will change as the season goes on and I am down to seeing that. Not a terrible character, just an aspect of the show that needs a little work.

Another sci-fi show that will probably fall to the waste side and most likely won't return. It's such a shame.

Why didnt they explore the fact that Maloy got split into multiple versions of himself? You clearly see that when he is flown back in time! This could of had a happy ending.

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