These tier list are important every season. Even if they’re opinion based they give less active players and or new players an understanding of what’s meta atm.

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

Thanks dude appreciate it

@Aetheric

9 ай бұрын

huge when i was like away for a year and came back!

love how u keep updating the lists to keep up with the current patches of the game

As a returning vet (I drop every other season or so ) it's nice to have an up to date list( of opinions) personal like the knights so it great to have inside on better ways to play em and which ones are better in the new updates . Great vid

Thank you so much for the updated videos! By the way they are currently doing rework to ranged unit upgrades, so maybe hold off from that one until the end of the season

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

Will do! Thank you for telling me

Let's goooo! love the tier list videos

Just getting into the game and loving it so far. This was exactly what I needed, though I know the new season has mixed things up a bit. Just hearing your thoughts really helps put it together in my head.

Gotta say, shieldmaidens also have the ability to buff their allies, like Claymores. Their guard grants pretty good defensive bonuses, and their charge actually buffs damage of nearby troops.

Exactly the kind of video I want to see after a long break away from the game. I would propably make the same list from what I saw this last couple of weeks. Would be nice to make a video like that with Hero classes.

Thanks a lot, bro, your channel deserves more subscribers. can you make an in-depth guide for S-A tier units pls ! doctinre, veterancy and best way to play..etc

Great list Pulm, as always all knowledge from you! :) I just got to say here that today I ran into zweihanders with my modaos and I deleted them with more than half my unit left. Also bare in mind that my modaos are just level 11, with some decent doctrines. I think you'd want to know this. :D

Very nice, I'd like to see a horse one done and maybe a TW recommended warband. Thanks for the list, well done.

Great Video!!, new subscriber here, i died when you refered to the ratan pikemen as too flamable 😂

Sir Plum! nailed it as always. *redeems hat* (Templar helm)

i'm and oldschool player, haven't played for some time and started in season 2, so i appreciate this tier list to see whats still good, and whats not

I’ve had lots of success with palace guard - I think they should be S as any class can play them and you can slaughter shields units as long as you’re in the right position.

Good stuff sir plum

What is the new veterancy meta for Iron Reapers now? Mine are still full top line with bottom line up to and including the self-heal ability. But is middle line the new meta? If so, then that’s a problem for me because I have so far NEVER had good luck using their flail.

Plum, we need a conq blade for fun tierlist XD. Like flamers, hashs, big lance charges, Lots of units you mentioned were low on tier but fun to play so curious what youd think from that prospective

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

i love that idea, yeah il do that

Serfs are definitly S tier with the workship doctrine

Nice vid!

I 100% agree with you with Forties. Even being supported, a charge of Men at Arms or any durable charge can disrupt Forties and get swept away.

@nodzenski

9 ай бұрын

That's why you never use block formation. Just go F1 then turn them to F2 and i na half way before they form up just brace them. Or you can go F2, hit V so they spread a bit and then brace.

Jav militia are brilliant, they can take down purple units easy. Mace srg are also great, meteors so powerful and the +15% hp pretty op.

Well I really like a lot of parts of this list there are a lot of very weird things. The main thing that comes to mind is you placing shield maidens in b. Sure they aren't completely insane like a season or two ago, but if you have someone who's actually using their guardian buff you make the difference in a push. Giving everyone around you ironsides is kind of crazy.

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

Yeah I will probably a little to hard on Shield Maiden's, would probably bump them to A

@pavamanabhyudhay9481

9 ай бұрын

NO NOT AT ALL! THEY CANT EVEN BEAT MEN AT ARMS THRY NEED A BUFF@@Plumsion

Seeing how you specifically mentioned the epic combat doctrine on units like Silhadars: 1) How important do you think it is for iron reapers? 2) If you have a contact to the dev's (no clue how it is for content creators of this game) - could you pitch the idea of updating the Eclectic Doctrine Selection Chest (the one for the doctrine spirit) with all of the special doctrines? Like epic combat doktrine, epic assault doctrine, everything that got "its own" excavation site, to give newer players (or just unlocky players who couldn't pull it) the chance to pick up such important doctrines that make or braek units?

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

the combat doc on reapers feels really nice! Unfortunately I have no contact with the devs but i really like your idea, makes a lot of sense !

@user-ev5qc6kt7d

9 ай бұрын

@@Plumsion Damn too bad^^ Sidenote: Maybe look at Jav Sergants again, tried them out today and in the current meta they performed way better for me than the Imp. Jav's (which I usually run) Due to the MAA meta getting the imp jav's into melee range for their shield throw is super dangerous to them, while the jav sergants can just machinegun fire the meleeblobs (throw => double throw => throw => targeted throw => throw without cd.. and they still have ammo leftover^^)

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

@@user-ev5qc6kt7d il give them another shot!

@BobInGreek

9 ай бұрын

​@@user-ev5qc6kt7d U can use the throw shield from long distance or not ?

is cav and ranged tierlist also comin?

Bro . I can't get in to server . The whole game starts shows the loading all that and when i try to enter in any server it says " fail to connect " and im actually new player i haven't even made an character

Im Sorry, ive just defeated a full stack of Iron Reaper with their skill and regeneration using Varangian Guard.. imo Varangian Guard is better than Shield maiden tho ?

Will you also be updating your ranged and cavalry tier lists with the addition of the other new units?

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

yeah will be :)

Beautiful list. Personally i would put demesne spearmen in high A or S tier. They have one of the best block values in game. Their charge do +2200 dmg to t4-5 units, and they charge repeatedly. Their advance is near as good as stalwarts, and much better than sergeants. Charge + follow and they will follow extremely fast for a while. Both their abilities have 10s cooldown. Almost guaranteed inmovable as a mountain medal. Apart from that one, i 100% agree on everything.

For me Men-At-Arms are the best value for leadership cost. 215 leadership, consistent 3% self heal in guard commander, actual good AI (some good units are ruined by shit AI that makes them like herding cats), very strong mastery chain AND unit tree upgrades, and they can basically insta-wipe any heroes caught out of position. Especially if you use dual blades and can use your ult to hold them up until the gang rolls up.

Oh my paladins you must be the stronger version of men at arms but you are charge and die unit in current meta 😢

@rlifeh

9 ай бұрын

Evo is sad about them too 😅

@gameteam9188

9 ай бұрын

@@rlifeh 😂😂😂

Iron cap sword without doctrine might be A, But the ones with Doctrines(Ironside, Cooldown reduction, Charge damage Block. ) I have faced them with confidence using Halberdier sergeants only to be charged and charged and charged in about 4 charges they wiped my Halberdier sergeants,

@Lordborgman

9 ай бұрын

My Ironcap have about a 4-5 second cooldown, I'd kill for that one that lets them hit 2 targets per attack.

my maxed/mastery rattan pikes beat prefecture guards in a 1v1 without losing a single unit. granted the enemy player might've been playing them really bad, but i was SHOCKED

Hey, Ive mastered Imp Spear Guards, but i dont see any node for that 27% def buff. Is that default or unlockable somehow?

@Plumsion

6 ай бұрын

It's a default

@D4kai

6 ай бұрын

Love you! @@Plumsion

Completely unrelated to how effective these units are, I have been experiencing a MAJOR bug these last few days regarding unit formations. In every single battle I’ve played in since this week started, my units have been changing their formations of their own accord when I am NOT pressing any of the formation buttons. Does anyone have any idea what is causing this?

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

Some units are aggressive, meaning if you put them in formation and an enemy is close by they will break formation and try and kill it.

@kevinnorwood8782

9 ай бұрын

@@Plumsion That’s not what’s happening. What’s happening is I am pressing X to get my units to form up, but at completely random moments, the game thinks I’m pressing F1, F2, or F3 when I am NOT. For example, with Onna-Mushas, I like to keep them in F2 formation most of the time, but now the game keeps automatically switching them to F1 or F3 formations when I’m not pushing either of those buttons. It’s making me want to tear my hair out!

@o0Ziro0o

9 ай бұрын

@@kevinnorwood8782 too fast clicling x will change formation to next one

men at arms dont do the same as maidens the support points you get with maidens is fantastic you can turn your pushes in unilateral massacres if you buff your team correctly i understand though they are very hard to play

VG is still very good but only in a solo situation, VG wins against any infantry units aside from flanking Musha. The problem with VG is that they are supposed to play like a frontline shield unit (they get the most rage) for the whole team and in a big fight, you have to constantly micro them, spamming their skills so that they stay alive. And even then, while they use their skills they tend to move forward deep into enemy lines and scatter out and get killed because they spread out too much if you x them back they stop their skill and die instantly.

Jangjus and Cudgel Monks with the new Combat doctrine are goated. I will die on that hill

@liquidw8585

9 ай бұрын

what's the nerf that they got? The monks I mean

I totally agree with you, and this video is very enjoyable to watch! tier list idea is great :D Squires, they really need to fix their charge, this unit just move fast in charge without any attack 😂sadly I rly try with them in blue era, even with full mastery :( Demesne spearmen is S tier in blue era. but I think is Spear Sergeants and Imp Spearmen in same level, because the leadership cost, SS cost 215, and ISG cost 240, that help some times to take another good 3rd unit. I want to see season of optimization, no new units, just optimization the game. thank you for this video, hope you do the same with other units, range and cavs, and maybe docs :) sorry for my bad english

@Lordborgman

9 ай бұрын

I find ISGs to be better overall for infantry crushes. Spear Seargants are better in situations if you have awarenes doctrine and take bottom line for situations where you are trying to hold a point where cav spam is happening.

@rlifeh

9 ай бұрын

@@Lordborgman The problem with SS their damage while use cover commander is very weak! its T1 damage unit, many times i use them both xD

@Lordborgman

9 ай бұрын

@@rlifeh Yeah it's definitely not a damage unit, unfortunate the game doesn't really directly reward tanking/pushing a line. It's a thankless job but I try to hold the line for the rest of the team.

@rlifeh

9 ай бұрын

@@Lordborgman You're right, it's sad when i take +5M damage and see my self on the bottom of rank

@Lordborgman

9 ай бұрын

@@rlifeh Yeah, I get that first and only tanking medal...then not much else most of the time. No healing/support medals exist either. Number of times I will facetank a cav charge with longsword ulty to stop it from running over our troops...to bad that doesn't show on the scoreboard.

damn i just downloaded this game and got lucky because i unlocked the imperial pikemen because of a quest

Where is the new archer healer ? I didn't see it in the list ?

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

That will be in a range list

Fenreas stake damage dimes do two big splashing damage

What's your opinion on which mastery has better value and is more useful, Imperial Spears or Sergants? I can't get both yet ;(

@rlifeh

9 ай бұрын

imp spearmen

@pavinivfx

7 ай бұрын

Imperial with mastery for sure.

I havent played in one year now men at arms are good now😭😭

I disagree with the take you have on onnamusha. they are only a flanking unit if you use top line, but bottom line allows them to soft CC enemies with their disarm, its super strong on a front line to be able to disable an enemies damage output for 1.5 seconds per hit. it actually massively increases their survivability and combined with their life-steal makes them have viable sustain for a front line unit, they still have to be played properly with the right unit usage however they are fully capable of skrimishing in a front line role but struggle to keep their life steal high enough to sustain in blob fights.

@o0Ziro0o

9 ай бұрын

You don't max any line on mushas ...

Wish Vargys get buffed.

@Alan-gt5lr

9 ай бұрын

Varangians? They’re playable ig

@etsxx

9 ай бұрын

@@Alan-gt5lr Issue is its one of the two gold infantry units I main that is easy to use(the other being Iron Reapers but they're hard to micro). Mostly am a musket main, full gunpowder army. .x.

@MFShro0m

9 ай бұрын

No they need a rework. Their current design is brain dead cancer

@ariancenaj4141

7 ай бұрын

I wish samw for paladins, they get deleted like some grey units

obviously they will be buffed, every new seasonal gets high importance for buffs

Blackdragon javelin is definitely A tier. Its little brother from imperial javeliner. Cheaper leadership. It has imperial javelin tight formation. And yeah solid A tier.

Zwei will get another buff soon. Hopefully they eventually get gud

what's the best tree build for imp javs?

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

ive got a video on them with the line i use

Still the biggest landshark fan, absolutely love when they wipe the enemy heroes

Buff didn’t really change much about zeihanders

Try vg’s in current meta u’ll be suprised

Serfs are S tier and you will never change my mind

Man I feel like an idiot all the units I have and like are all ones you have put low except the wolves and mace guard

@Plumsion

8 ай бұрын

Don't worry dude, the game moves so fast that one week they can be terrible next week they get mastery and they go to the top!

@maxmichaels3106

8 ай бұрын

@@Plumsion this may be a dumb question but do you think berserkers and the lower A and B tier units could be a little better with longsword with the heal working on them also?

No ratan round shealeds

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

ahhh dammit il have to add them in. thanks for pointing this out

Of course these lists are biased like Putting the Javs in different Tier ranks because you like Imp Javs more. BUT where you are simply wrong are Green Shields. Their utility and flexibility is Just great. I dodged a reaper charge with them and just killed te reapers with the Stab saw 4000 crit damage. Personaly I would put them in A but they are minimum good B-tier.

@aramis4688

9 ай бұрын

¿A qué te refieres con “escudos verdes”?

@Maxikingallright93

9 ай бұрын

@@aramis4688 Not Sure why you wrote in spanish. I mean the Demesne Shields. They are in the heraldic era section of the Unit trees. Together with Men at Arms or Monastics

@aramis4688

9 ай бұрын

@@Maxikingallright93 (Using Google Translate) I'm curious that the Demesne Shields, being a T2 unit, can deal 4000 damage to the Iron Reapers, which are a T5 unit. What doctrines do you have in the Demesne Shields? Do you have them with full mastery?

@Maxikingallright93

9 ай бұрын

@@aramis4688 yes their 'pure Strike' does an insane amount of damage. Not Sure If it triples all damage values (3100 Armor Piercing and 2500 Piercing) or does Triple piercing DMG as true damage. The Strike hast a Long Animation so the cci doc is very useful for that.

@aramis4688

8 ай бұрын

​@@Maxikingallright93 (I am using Google Translate to make this message) Yes, you are definitely right, its performance is above its category. 2 days ago I raised them to level 18 and completed their mastery, I easily destroyed an entire Modao battalion with them, they also dealt 6000 critical damage to some enemy winged hussars in Turf War yesterday. A question brother, what doctrine do you mean by “cci doctrine”?

and i give shieldmaidens S with maul so strong

i give A to tseregs because this unit so strong bro this unit have amazing dmg with two charge and he can knocked enemy down soo strong (use on them doc reduces dmg taken and reduces charge cooldown 24% with number of charge by1 and use charge dmg in finally use reduces dmg taken by 14% with all defence 150 for 12 sec ) and then look how it be in battle

@rlifeh

9 ай бұрын

What is your lvl in game?

@user-wq1vo1hz7y

9 ай бұрын

lvl 2675 eu server @@rlifeh

@rlifeh

9 ай бұрын

@@user-wq1vo1hz7y heeh i'm 4649 I try them before after devs increase their lvl, and that nice for them, but they were very normal, hmmm maybe I should give them another try, thank you 👍

@DatLeafyBoi

9 ай бұрын

The +1 charge doctrine is crazy with them since they can hit THROUGH block and that proves the knockdown. Multihit knockdown is just nuts

Iron Reapers need the biggest nerf, they're ridiculous to play against.

new player trying to complete shield maiden. ok nevermind.

I'm kinda worries that we won't see any actual buffs to many of the old units but instead they'll get a mastery tree that you'll need to complete to make them competitive. Nice to have for sure, but also another massive nerf to newer players.

Claymores - highlanders are buged, they are F tier. They wont hit things. I asked around and its not just me. I even faced them as enemy unit, and they just wont hit, or hit very rarely

@SimplyVanis

9 ай бұрын

They have 0 CC immunity with no block, so if there is a single halb/pike unit in brace, they will be permanently stunned.

The tittle is wrong because the infantry are useless vs cavalry meta, the infantry no stop the spam of horses, this season lost the lore for other season with bad improves in balance, you made good videos as always for the game, but honestly is very sad the current state of the game with no variety same the heroes, only mauls.

Javs was wrong

Downvoted. Serfs are SSS tier. They should even nerf then...

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

😄

@Cr0no

9 ай бұрын

You're not that wrong tbh... Nothing beats 5x Serfs for gathering resources in the open-world which literally makes them best in class. SSS Tier indeed.

Gotta say, terrible misinformation to new / returning players :') You're way too forgiving on placements, and giving way too much points on leadership to results ratio giving all these green/blue trash that don't win any fights high placements when we all know they aren't the units that are winning those teamfights no matter how funny it is to pick up 50 odd kills for the cost of 115 leadership. What's the point of S tier, If ur putting 10 units there, and filling A tier with anything as long as It's sort of half decent in the hands of a sweaty veteran. S tier should be limited to top 3 best units only. A tier for 5 units. B tier for 10. Put the dogshit units into D. Why are there multiple units that don't win any engagements & teamfights somehow making it into S/A/B tiers... Lookin at you, Green Javs, Rattan Pikes, Pike Militia, Mace Sergeants, Fenrir, Spear Sergeants, Monks, Condotti, Grayhairs, Landschnecks. And what are Serfs even doing on a Tier list in first place. You gon put Serfs on same level as Alchemists which can absolutely carry certain maps for defenders where supply is far away and no time to heal up.

@musicheaven1679

9 ай бұрын

The list is very clearly about price to performance. Half the units you listed are massively strong for their price and should be in their respective tiers. If you wanted a pure "win team fights" list, you might as well just put reapers, MAA, pikes, imp shields, imp javs in s tier and stop the video there as all other units are worse in regardless of any other factors. Not to mention everything in S tier is a "1 click kill" type unit. Wtf you mean in the hands of a sweaty veteran? Just because your bad at the game doesn't mean everything in S and A tier isn't pretty damn strong. I mean I agree that if you skip straight to the end and have an IQ lower than 90 that indeed this list is misleading, and yes alchemist placement is pretty sad considering how awesome they can be for teamplay. But your just complaining to complain.

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

As I said this is my list... if you have a problem with it make your own. I did say not everyone's going to agree.

@liamengram6326

7 ай бұрын

Because believe it or not, filling out a warband is important. Having 2 5 stars and 1 2 star unit isn't going to win you many matches. However, if you can min/max a warband to have 1 flagship unit that does the heavy lifting, 2 units that can be solid with a good commander and proper hero intervention, and then 2 situational units on the cheaper end - you're going to see the win% go up as many matches are won through attrition and if your opponent has nothing but heroes on the last point - even a green unit can make a big difference

Will you be making a cav and ranged unit tierlists as well?

@Plumsion

9 ай бұрын

Will do!