Infantry Fighting Vehicles in Ukraine - losses, lessons & will Western IFVs matter?
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While tanks and fighters tend to win public attention, the fighting in Ukraine has done a lot to remind us of the critical role played by the infantry. And to survive and thrive on the battlefield, the infantry in Ukraine rely on their armoured personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles to enable to enable movement and provide fire support.
Those vehicles, so critical to both sides have, however, been lost in extreme numbers - with no vehicle on the Russian side having suffered more visually confirmed losses than the BMP-2.
Now, it seems, the floodgates are opening on the supply of Western IFVs to Ukraine. In this video I look at these vehicles, their employment in Ukraine, and suggest that despite being lost in large numbers - that they will remain critical in the fighting to come.
Special thanks to those consulted for this video.
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Caveats & Comments:
I mispeak and call RUSI the "uniform services institute" - It is correctly (and has for the better part of two centuries) been the "united services institute."
As always, keep in mind that while visually confirmed loss data is among the best data we have for setting loss baselines, it is limited and should be interpreted with care.
To enable some of the analysis in this video, some data treatment was done - for example, entries for destroyed BMPs where the variant could not be determined were divided, pro-rata
Regarding the narrative - while the BMP-1 had a major impact, I should note that other IFV type vehicles preceded it - with perhaps the most significant being the German HS.30.
In this video, I call the Stryker an American vehicle due to its service. The vehicle has Canadian DNA and is built there
Notes/further reading:
pre-war equipment levels are as per Military Balance 2021 for consistency.
Loss and resupply data as per Oryx as noted:
www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02...
War for Ukraine - First Conclusions from 2022 and New Challenges 2023
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Preliminary Lessons in Conventional Warfighting from Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: February-July 2022
static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukrain...
TASS - on the Bradley
tass.com/defense/1561793
TASS - on BMP-2 Production
tass.ru/interviews/15445983?u...
On the pledge of Marders and BMPs to Ukraine
www.defensenews.com/pentagon/...
Russian MoD claim of destroyed Bradleys is as per their official TG channel - September 4 2022
GAO assessment of Bradley and Abrams in Desert Storm
www.gao.gov/assets/nsiad-92-9...
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Opening Words
00:01:57 - What Am I Talking About?
00:02:36 - SPONSOR: GROUND NEWS
00:03:43 - IFVs: History & Doctrine
00:03:52 - The Combined Arms Problem
00:05:17 - VARIETY OF RESPONSES
00:06:36 - Halftracks & APCs
00:08:05 - The BMP-1
00:10:14 - IFVs & Modern Mechanised Infantry
00:11:06 - Related Vehicles
00:12:08 - PRE WAR FORCES
00:12:13 - The Russian Arsenal
00:14:02 - The "Cutting Edge"
00:15:57 - Fossils
00:17:08 - Shortage Conditions
00:17:51 - The Primary Force
00:19:14 - The Ukrainian Armoury
00:20:07 - The Soviet Inheritance
00:20:28 - New Gen. Vehicles
00:21:28 - Western Systems
00:22:19 - LOSSES: AND WHY THEY AREN'T EVERYTHING
00:23:02 - Assessing Losses
00:23:59 - Overall Trends
00:25:54 - Visually Confirmed Losses
00:27:20 - ORYX IFV & APC Visually Confirmed Losses
00:29:07 - Russian Losses
00:31:24 - Analysing Ukrainian Losses
00:33:15 - Highlighting Outliers
00:36:08 - Three Common Potential Misconceptions
00:36:53 - ORYX Implied Net IFV Loss
00:38:18 - Colonel Reisner
00:39:27 - EMPLOYMENT & EXPERIENCE
00:40:11 - Infantry Support and Early Losses
00:41:50 - Vulnerability
00:43:15 - Relationship with Survivability
00:45:20 - Dispersion & Concentration
00:46:09 - A Critical Tool
00:48:07 - Static Warfare
00:49:03 - Through the Fog of War
00:49:49 - Potential Lessons
00:50:19 - RESUPPLY & REPLACEMENTS
00:50:28 - The Need to Replenish
00:51:40 - Russian Efforts (and Debates)
00:53:28 - Western Resupply
00:55:17 - The Shift To Heavier Materiel
00:55:59 - A Note on Quantities
00:57:19 - MEET THE CANDIDATES
00:57:24 - Marder
00:58:18 - M2/M3 Bradley
00:59:24 - Moving the Needle?
01:01:06 - STRYKER (+MGS)
01:01:44 - THE RUSSIAN RESPONSE
01:02:07 - 1: Gross Escalation
01:02:37 - 2: The System is Terrible
01:03:09 - 3: They Were Destroyed
01:03:51 - WHAT NEXT?
01:03:55 - The Resupply Effort & Losses
01:04:47 - Force Evolution: Russia
01:05:55 - Force Evolution: Ukraine
01:06:39 - Conclusions
01:07:35 - Channel Update
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Try Ground News today and get 15% by visiting ground.news/perun. Offer is only valid through the link! Many thanks again to those who contributed to the preparation of this video. Just to repeat a point in the corrections and caveats section before I'm blacklisted from a country, I wanted to note that while I call the Stryker an American vehicle (in American service) - I acknowledge its Canadian DNA and manufacture. Also from the caveats that's worth putting here - while the BMP-1 had a major impact on the development of AFVs everywhere, I do want to call out the West German HS 30 for beating it into service with a similar concept. Another editing flub was calling RUSI the "uniform" services rather than "united" services institute for lord know what reason and then missing it in editing. There would be more caveats and notes (such as noting Czech production of the BMP in addition to USSR figures) but I ran out of text allowance. The biggest caveat is to note, as always, that loss data from an ongoing war is subject to a significant degree of uncertainty. And apologies to the Germans in the audience - Early in the video I say SdKfz 241, instead of the correct 251. Missed that in editing. As always, thank you all for your engagement and support!
@nastygollum
Жыл бұрын
You're the best, mate. Your clear, concise and straight to the point way of presenting really captures me. Thanks again.
@lilkobabunga
Жыл бұрын
You ever thought doing a roundtable discussion livestream with the Chieftain and LazerPig? If not please do.
@knpark2025
Жыл бұрын
As an average video game player, I will say tech advantage and mass advantage are nothing against 12 hoverbikes or 11 winged monsters that can fling lethal projectiles and turn with infinite G-force.
@VES.
Жыл бұрын
forget what the joke was exactly but there it is. Bulgarian General asks Russian General why their vehicles are so horrendous in side. The Russian replys : - we wont our soldiers to be afraid from the vehicles, not the enemy. When the doors open they will gladly attack becouse they ware already in hell. if you go to war however you will prefer russian equipment since if it breaks you can fix it with a hamer, wire and blow torch. Nato's equipment cant be easyly fixed and is more succeptable to problems. Just found aout how unreliable is the Bradly and was shocked. I tought they fixed it already. after all it is 80's tech ...
@glenndean6
Жыл бұрын
I'd go one further on Stryker in that it's really a Swiss design (MOWAG Piranha) laundered through Canada by way of a US prime (GM, later GDLS-C via LAV) and eventually turned into a US sourced solution (Canada no longer manufacturing Strykers, though some parts are still sourced there).
Who remembers the early days when Perun was like "I can't believe people want to watch hour-long slideshows on KZread, but here we are..."?
@guyk2260
Жыл бұрын
Will he ever get back to the day job ?😀
@PerunAU
Жыл бұрын
@@guyk2260 I still do it - sleep and spare time have not been a feature of 2022 and early 2023 for me.
@ASNS117Zero
Жыл бұрын
@@PerunAU Don't burn yourself out my guy. Lack of sleep isn't healthy. xD
@Vyrlokar
Жыл бұрын
I have been religiously (and I'm an atheist) taking my weekly Perun from almost the start (started when he had like 3 videos on this conflict) and I can't think of a best way to spend an hour than to watch his content
@bandenere7774
Жыл бұрын
@@PerunAU "dance for us little piggy" Ops, wrong channel😬
"You cannot pay your teachers in armored personnel carriers, and even if you could, I'd recommend against it unless you want the next teacher's strike to be that much more interesting."
@suntiger745
Жыл бұрын
Gems like that combined with the background debrief and careful analysis is why I consider Perun one of the best lecturers I've ever come across. :)
@Slapdab
Жыл бұрын
I lost it with that line.
@mickdevries4237
Жыл бұрын
Tell me you've never been to Texas without telling me you've never been to Texas. :)
@keemanaan1734
Жыл бұрын
Some teachers may be thinking "yes please" 🙂
@1224chrisng
Жыл бұрын
oh, it'll be a teacher's Strike alright
The WWII example of "the American M1 came under fire and soldiers fired back with M1s, M1s, and M1s" was absolute gold!
@TheKrakovv
Жыл бұрын
Classic stupid american bureocracy
@maestreiluminati87
Жыл бұрын
Lieutenant M. Juan
@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts
Жыл бұрын
Sir, we're under attack! Use the M1! Understood, throwing helmets! Not that M1! Sorry sir, firing bayonets! Not that one either!
@reform-revolution
11 ай бұрын
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5tsthats pvt Patterson he just hasnt been right since that horse kick him six times in the head bless him
@logitimate
10 ай бұрын
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts To be fair, "M1" is structurally a specifier for the specific model of a previously named class of equipment, e.g., "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1," "Tractor, Heavy, M1," or "37 mm gun, M1." In that context, it makes perfect sense, and if you abbreviate it by omitting details ("Use your rifle!") rather than by omitting generalities and keeping _only_ the details ("Use your M1!"), it's generally unambiguous.
Can we just take a second to appreciate the M1 bit 😂
@usergiodmsilva1983PT
Жыл бұрын
21st century comedy gold.
@h8GW
Жыл бұрын
Technically, 20th century, since that's when the joke worked best.
@petermello55
Жыл бұрын
Very clear and straightforward
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen
Жыл бұрын
@@h8GW Or, in American military language, the M1 century.
@carkawalakhatulistiwa
Жыл бұрын
M1, M1, M1 ,M1 ,M1 ,m1
"Exploded vehicles are no longer very useful and should be replaced by unexploded ones." Pearls of wisdom like these are what we are really here for :D
@dennisyoung4631
Жыл бұрын
You *might* pull some bits off of them.
@TB-zf7we
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely wise & HILARIOUSE. 😁
@shaider1982
Жыл бұрын
The bit about the items named M1 by the US Army is also funny. Good thing only the tanks is M1 these days.
@massgunner4152
Жыл бұрын
How someone can be this serious while saying such cheeky lines?
@TheRezro
Жыл бұрын
@@shaider1982 BTW it technically did have sense. US mark every equipment as type: like Heavy Tank, military so M and number in line. So because lot of stuff were only reintroduced during WW2, they all get M1 what lead to hilarious situation that US have almost everything called M1. Abrams is somewhat exception as US reset counter on armed vehicles in the 80's.
13:20 "As you can imagine, parts are seldom compatible between different M1s" I lost it xD
@CB-vt3mx
Жыл бұрын
Having multiple items called "M1" or whatever is not really a problem in the US Army. We all know what is what and no one confuses M9 bayonets with M9 pistols. That said, the army has gotten much better about it in recent years.
@Edax_Royeaux
Жыл бұрын
@@CB-vt3mx I can see it confusing outsiders though. Lord knows the Japanese with all their Type 99s, Type 0s and Type 93s can get confusing.
@christiandauz3742
Жыл бұрын
US wished it had M1 Abrans back in the Civil War!
There seems to some "law" on KZread that videos should be kept to 10-15mins long as that is the attention span of most users. Why is it then that so many people, myself included, seem perfectly happy to sit through hour long PowerPoints by some Aussie? IMHO, it's because they tick every box of being informative, engaging, includes accurate data, and most importantly, humorous. Thanks Perun for your continued delivery of such excellent content. I have yet to watch one of your videos without being educated further on some subject that I thought I was already pretty well informed about.
@XIXCentury
Жыл бұрын
you're not special
@spinecho609
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the video essay ecosystem. Next, you will be watching a 5 hour video on The Witcher, whether you have played it or not.
@oldmankatan7383
Жыл бұрын
I'd expect to find a correlation between the use of infinite scrollers of super short content like tiktoc and a preference for short videos... I'm guessing this level of detail is preferred by people who don't enjoy rapid dopamine conditioning.
@unixnut
Жыл бұрын
I'm very glad of the "Continue watching" tab in the Subscriptions section.
@AsbestosMuffins
Жыл бұрын
YT demotes the recomendations for videos longer than 15-20 minutes
Honestly, thank you Perun. Today, I've been in surgery for 4 hours and I was awake the whole time. It was a very unpleasant and painful experience. I usually watch your videos right away, but I saved this one for my surgery date to help keep my mind occupied. Through the 4 hours, I listened to your videos back-to-back and as unpleasant as the surgery was, you got me through it. So I wholeheartedly wanted to thank you.
@sandwich5344
Жыл бұрын
Hey peez, get well soon! Hope your recovery goes well buddy
@peez9187
Жыл бұрын
@@sandwich5344 thank you man I really appreciate that. 🙏
@halebopp_a_cometh
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best comment section on the internet! Such a great group of people! Get better man! ❤
@Jartran72
Жыл бұрын
Oof that sounds rough, its really bad when you can't handle narcosis or they need you awake to tell them where it hurts. Sorry that happened to you. Get well soon!
@peez9187
Жыл бұрын
@@Jartran72 thank you for the kind words my friend. I'm on the road to recovery and feeling better each day. 🙏
“Practice has a way of beating up theory and taking its lunch money.” Perun makes some of the best quotes
@goaway7346
Жыл бұрын
"In theory, that should have worked in practice. But in practice, it didn't." Applies to ever endeavour where humans are involved.
@Flippyrock2011
Жыл бұрын
He is definitely up there with The Chieftain and Drackninifel
"You cannot pay your teachers with armored personnel carriers." That, sir, sounds like a challenge.
@sjonnieplayfull5859
Жыл бұрын
If someone is willing to accept me as their teacher, I would be more than willing to accept APC'S as payment ...
@psilobom
Жыл бұрын
I knew teachers who drove Ferraris, I'd be the teacher that rolls up in a bullet proof beast
@suntiger745
Жыл бұрын
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 How do you pay for the fuel on a teacher's salary though? Especially if you get the M-113 instead of money. XD
@sjonnieplayfull5859
Жыл бұрын
@@suntiger745 I just park on my favorite spot and put my sleeping bag on the floor, save on rent, spend that on fuel instead. Maybe trade three or four for an Abrams, or maybe even a Panther for nostalgia's sake
@hungrymusicwolf
Жыл бұрын
@@psilobom Screw Ferarris, armoured vehicles is where the real street cred is.
Your orange and black powerpoints are always of the highest quality. I look forward to your videos every week. I was a petroleum supply guy in the US Army and logistics is my bread and butter and that is one of the biggest reasons I enjoy the effort you put into these. Battles are won by tactics and bravery, wars are won by logistics and economics.
@Gwjeeper
Жыл бұрын
I remember reading somewhere that 'amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics'
@pattersonlee062
Жыл бұрын
Extremely impressive to the gullible.
@RussellNelson
Жыл бұрын
"and economics". Yup. Hitler thought that he didn't need remote resources like rubber, because his scientists could synthesize these things. Trouble is that synthesis isn't cheap, and rubber comes (came) from trees because the trees were really cheap.
@h8GW
Жыл бұрын
@Patterson Lee Says the side who continuously and repetitively hoovers up the reporting demonstrated to be the least reliable. Like legit I think most of your side's _arguments_ are stolen without even analyzing them.
@pattersonlee062
Жыл бұрын
@@h8GW more realistic than your imaginary view...
1:03:43 "...American equipment is endowed with the magical ability to reconstitute itself after destruction and carry on the fight with a zombie crew." What a time to be alive.
@jerkchicken_expertlyseasoned
Жыл бұрын
It's all fun and games until the US military starts awarding contracts to the Necrons.
@apersonlikeanyother6895
Жыл бұрын
Next years 2 minute papers
@jfarrar19
Жыл бұрын
I mean the US DoD is looking into other science fiction looking shit for the military. At this point we can just accept it.
@tgapmax4051
Жыл бұрын
Ukraine will win because Dr. Who is on their side.
@999Phiro
Жыл бұрын
I mean look it's just like CoD man. You press F to respawn if you're in an American vehicle and suddenly you're at full ammo and health. All that DARPA funding paid off.
As a German I'm simply amazed that youmanaged to pronounce "Sonderkraftfahrzeug" almost correctly.
@bryce4724
Жыл бұрын
I'm struggling just to say that in my head 🤣
@sixstringedthing
Жыл бұрын
Is "almost correctly" good enough to stop people getting killed though? 😆
@brinjoness3386
Жыл бұрын
I bought an "einzelkockenplatten" once. Apologies for the spelling but I think I could pronounce it fairly well. I still own that single cooking plate. Zoup is gutten on it I was impressed with his pronunciation too.
@NN-eh1fq
Жыл бұрын
Bruh, i’m ethnically German and I feel like I need a few shots at that before I do it correctly 😂
@gravitydefeater
Жыл бұрын
Was "yellow from an egg"?
"the large part ain't modern and the modern part ain't large" very well said !
@suntiger745
Жыл бұрын
That tends to be the case with many militaries, though Russia tends to take it a lot further than most.
@paullakowski2509
Жыл бұрын
luv statement and got to remember it !!!!!!
@V-V1875-h
Жыл бұрын
@@suntiger745 a statement that can be valid for almost everything, specially institutions
The Bradley compliments tanks when used in combined formations. During Desert Storm the optics on the Bradley were better and conducive to identifying targets for the Abrams in a open desert environment. They play a tank destroyer role with their ATGMs at ranges in excess of an MBT's main gun. The mounted infantry can be deployed to provide security or screen terrain while the Brads and Abrams provide overwatch. Bradleys can also be loaded up with supplies to sustain the infantry in the fight. Think ammo, water, rations, and Javelins. IFVs aren't tanks but they allow the infantry to keep up with the tanks and if a BMP or T-72 pops up they have the means to deal with the threat.
@D64nz
10 ай бұрын
Well this comment certainly aged like milk.
@Bigman-fh1fz
10 ай бұрын
@@D64nzhe didn’t say that Bradley’s are indestructible tho
I really hope that you are involved in teaching in some way. Your ability to transmit complex topics to the layman is a talent beyond compare. Thank you
1:13 "It is not about the vournability of the system, but what it can do for you. " Cheftain put it very accuratly. "Do not ask what you can do to the tank. Instead ask what the tank can do to you." and "The infantry can be killed by practically everything on the battlefield, yet no one has yet stated that the infantryman is obsolete".
@iainbreen7835
Жыл бұрын
Vulnerability
@FirstDagger
Жыл бұрын
vulnerability
@cat-.-
Жыл бұрын
volnearabiltiy
@mitchellg3893
Жыл бұрын
vernearbilty
@KirosanaPerkele
Жыл бұрын
Vulnus perforans
Usually I don't comment on videos; I feel I need to say that your videos are appreciated. I both thoroughly enjoyed the content and the presentation. I also appreciate that you seem to deliver the content with the concept of biases in mind and take that into account therein. There's a lot of people who would rather provide information with a heavy dose of either emotional or patriotic bias, whether aware or unaware of it. So I figured instead of being a silent observer I would throw my two cents in and let you know that I appreciate your content.
@PerunAU
Жыл бұрын
and I usually silently read comments but I'll break the practice here to say thank you, I'm trying my best.
@stevewhite3424
Жыл бұрын
Excellent points! It is hard to take as reliable a KZread channel talking about the war that has a giant Ukrainian flag as its background. While it is certainly possible and reasonable to believe the Ukrainians are on the right in this fight, If your bias is just so overwhelming that your information has to be taken with a grain of salt are you really anything other than propaganda?
@foobar3202
Жыл бұрын
@@stevewhite3424 I would articulate it a bit differently. There is no debate IMO that the Russians war is immoral, unjust, unjustifiable, simply evil. It is not 'biased' to acknowledge that. But we can get carried away by the emotion of that and lose sight of reality. So it is very valuable to have someone like Perun present an objective, impartial view of the facts, and leave the morality of the situation for the viewer / other commentators.
@stevewhite3424
Жыл бұрын
@@foobar3202 I'm pretty sure that's what I said.
@foobar3202
Жыл бұрын
@@stevewhite3424 I got the impression you were implying that anyone who shows they strongly support Ukraine is too 'biased' to taken seriously, no matter what. That attitude bothered me. I guess I was just reading into something you didn't intend, sorry for that.
M113 is state of the art WW2. The original FMC tech drawings date from 1950. Basically the entire design came from thinking about WW2 and deciding what would make the perfect APC. Fully tracked. Armoured roof. Ramp access so troops don't have to jump over the sides. Lot of my life on this vehicle :)
@jamielonsdale3018
7 ай бұрын
The M113 reminds me of a D-Day landing craft, made to go on land, through semi-Rasputitsa conditions, and be fragmentation-proof from all aspects while buttoned up.
Yours is one of few truly outstanding channels on the Ukrainian liberation war. You combine scholarly research and objective analysis with clear, well paced delivery, to mention only the wavetops. Many thanks for your contribution to history.
“The Russian army is a large modern army, but the large part aint modern and the modern part aint large” Couldn’t have said it better myself.
@randomdude2832
Жыл бұрын
but underestimating both how large the modern part is, and how updated the large part is is very dangerous and why ukraine is losing despite all of nato's aid.
@justinrockholt7055
Жыл бұрын
Bruh
@majormassenspektrometer
Жыл бұрын
@@randomdude2832 Dunno about Russia winning but they aren't stopping the war for now. I'm really curious about how this conflict will end.
@aaronleverton4221
Жыл бұрын
@@randomdude2832 You think Ukraine or any of its suppliers underestimated the Russian Army? If anything, Russia's armed forces have been overestimated for years. If your neighbour is 100,000,000 people more than you and they not only can't take your capital but also lose half of their territorial gains half a year after invading you then you aren't losing.
@randomdude2832
Жыл бұрын
@@aaronleverton4221 "You think Ukraine or any of its suppliers underestimated the Russian Army? yes, they underestimated them big time. "If your neighbour is 100,000,000 people more than you " does it matter the size of russia if they only used a fraction of their peace time army? and they took the entire yularanian army plus billions in weapons from nato until september. "and they not only can't take your capital " except they used 30k troops to take mariupol and only sent 40k for a muckh larger well defended city, russia never tried to take kyiv. did a propaganda outlet told you otherwise? "but also lose half of their territorial gains half a year after invading you then you aren't losing. " unless yuo just forgot how ukraine has not advanced anymore in two months and after russia's partial mobilization russia is advancing again. while ukraine is out of men and equipment after several waves of mobilization.
As my friend, who is an active serviceman in Ukrainian military once said, there are two things to say about BMPs. The first: there is nothing more exhilarating and satisfying than an ATGM or RPG rocket narrowly missing your BMP, while you are sitting on top of it, the adrenaline goes through the roof and you're just screaming "YEAH, BASTARDS, LEARN TO AIM". The second: there is nothing worse than imagining being burned alive in one of those things after being hit, that thing comes up in his nightmares every single night.
@Kayfear
Жыл бұрын
There was a video recently on reddit where Ukrainian team collected remains of soldiers inside destroyed m113. Basically the body of a driver got obliterated into pieces of a golf ball size (parft of a chin with beard 3-5 cm is all I can identify as “human”) Terrifying.
@Nostripe361
Жыл бұрын
@@Kayfear modern weapons on a modern battlefield are terrifying. I have the utmost respect for those Ukrainians who experience it and are still willing to march out there to fight for their homeland
@Kayfear
Жыл бұрын
@@Nostripe361 can't imagine the horror when you driving in wheeled tincan to an enemy position, freezing to death in trenches near Bakhmut, or being shelled in civilian building in Dnepr. Something that should have never happened to those beautiful young, healthy, happy people of Ukraine.
@goatmealcookies7421
Жыл бұрын
🙏🇺🇦
@johanj3674
Жыл бұрын
@@Kayfear Like the refurbishment of tanks in WWii that had their crewed killed but the tank was usable. Imagine climbing down in a Sherman to scoop up and wash away body pieces in every nook and corner, hoping you don't miss any...
Interesting take on the Bradley vs Abrams in desert storm. ( I assume an earlier version of Abrams) There was a similar juxtaposition between the A-10 and F-111 in desert storm. According to a post-war DOD analysis report, there were far fewer F-111s in theater yet they had far more armor kills than the A-10. The F-111 was near retirement and the A-10 was still only middle age. Part of the explanation was the weather in the first week was particularly bad and overcast, the F-111 being an all weather aircraft and having a superior IR sensor package. A-10 variants of that time were visual conditions only. Just after sunset the Iraqi tanks would emit a bunch of IR making them easy targets for guided bombs. (F-117 were used to hunt anti-aircraft systems making armor hunting more practical.)
@TJackson736
Жыл бұрын
The F-111 was simply the better aircraft. The A-10 is merely cheaper.
@nottoday4866
Жыл бұрын
A number of Iraqi generals made a big deal out of their use of thermal decoys (Half buried metal sheets with a small fire underneath). I imagine that the burden of proof would be a lot lower for a indirect engagement compared to a visual system than the A-10 requires. Not to disregard your point about superior sensors on the later models of the F-111 though, that said a lot of the older models of the F-111 remained in service unmodernised for a surprisingly long period.
@dewakacang
Жыл бұрын
My homie Vark is wayyy underrated.
@Merugaf
Жыл бұрын
VARK VARK VARK VARK
@peterbaker8443
Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the c.b.u.s that they carried which covered much more ground than a 10s could
Hi Perun, in answer to your remarks at the end, all your hard work is much appreciated. I’m an ex-journalist and, as I was listening to this show, it occurred to me (several times) not just that there was some extremely well-researched information but, more impressive, the sheer volume of it. I was also as impressed with the data and analysis you rejected, although I would have been interested in hearing some of the theories you refused to go into for want of verification. Thank you very much, I have another podcast to take the dog for a walk with.
I just want to say that even though you’re obviously a busy man and notorious for constantly traveling, I find it admirable how you have been able to stick to a consistent uploading schedule so firmly.
@highjumpstudios2384
Жыл бұрын
I wonder what the breaking point is where he just starts making shit up.
@mikaelm5367
Жыл бұрын
Some people have standards
@BlutoandCo
Жыл бұрын
@@highjumpstudios2384 he becomes a supporter of ruSSia?
@pieter-bashoogsteen2283
Жыл бұрын
@@highjumpstudios2384 I don’t expect Perun to start doing that.
@crhu319
Жыл бұрын
@@highjumpstudios2384 he already omits critical facts so ..
"The Russian military is large and modern. But the Large part is not modern and the modern part is not large." -Perun 2023
@Muljinn
Жыл бұрын
I was about to clear them…
have you ever considered uploading these videos as podcasts on spotify and apple music? I think it would be a really good way to gain more viewership without much more work. i love listening to these when i’m at work or studying and i feel like uploading them on those platforms would be quite handy. fantastic video as always dude keep up the amazing work
@jdavis.fw303
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, I often listen when not able to watch the slides and its still about 85% as informative.
@dsdy1205
Жыл бұрын
+1 for the Spotify suggestion, would also allow for hands-free listening which I'd wager is a large proportion of listening given the video length
@Klowner777
Жыл бұрын
I second this ! Putting your videos up on apple podcast would be great !
The M-1's part is probably my favorite joke so far. 10/10 rolling with laughter
So in a nutshell, IFVs and APCs are basically like a seatbelt in a car - in the event of a crash, it's not a guarantee that you will walk away but it'll significantly improve your chances of survival.
@evulclown
Жыл бұрын
An angry seatbelt with an autocannon.
@cooldudecs
Жыл бұрын
And 6 boys in the back with big guns. Also a nice tank killer
M1 story was freaking gold! Such humour is the reason why I am subscribed to Perun since long time!
I was a RWS gunner in Afghanistan, and I can say that it does feel like a game sometimes in a weird way. So you always had yo remind yourself that this is real life. It's definitely safer than hanging out of the hatch
Former mech infantry soldier here. The job of the mech infantry is not primarily to keep up; that is secondary, their main job is to keep infantry off of the tanks.They are a stiff arm that keeps dangerous elements at range so the tanks can knock them out. Infantry can be absolutely deadly to armor via both anti tank weapons and using a radio to call in artillery or air. When a tank gets to a position that does not have a clear view and therefor no idea of what is up ahead, the mech infantry can clear that area which will allow the armor to push on. Battlefields are not flat; they rise and fall. Mech infantry can clear those rises where the other side of that rise is unknown. When armor has to take a stationary position , which they often have to do, the mech infantry are able to keep infantry away from them.
What do I love about these videos? Absolutely everything. I've never heard such details and well spoken analysis in between gold lines such as 'you can't pay your teachers in M113s'. Thankyou for keeping us all entertained and informed.
@mrsock3380
Жыл бұрын
You might be able to pay them with a M1 of some sort.
@archimedes5635
Жыл бұрын
@@mrsock3380 garands BARs Thompsons
@benjohnson1670
Жыл бұрын
I could be persuaded...
@rossmurray6849
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps British nurses and ambulance crews would be interested.
@asaunders1406
Жыл бұрын
You are a gullible fool!
I love the Perun focuses on data analysis. This type of Ukraine coverage does not exist elsewhere on KZread or mass general media.
@j.r.7339
Жыл бұрын
Covert Cabal?
@Rob_F8F
Жыл бұрын
@@j.r.7339 Another great channel!
@kzsposeidon3121
Жыл бұрын
Colonel Reissner from the Austrian army is quite good as well
@skywillfindyou
Жыл бұрын
Data form this is very corrupt and reliable.
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
Жыл бұрын
This is why the internet rules. You can have actual specialists talk about things rather than everything having everything need to go trough the small minds of journalists.
With each new week I get more amazed and grateful that someone with such an astounding breadth and depth of insight should even be willing to share it all on KZread, let alone keep doing it with such brilliant professionalism. Thank you, Perun.
"The theory says this should be a very one-sided affair but once war breaks out and vehicles start catching fire left, right & center, well practise has a way of beating up theory and stealing its lunch money" - Perun 2023 (pure gold XD)
Hey Perun, just wanted to let you know that even as far as here in the Philippines your analyses have caught the eye of certain active, and retired officers in our military, given how high quality they are c: They get shared around defense-oriented communities online Keep it up!
@jiggy6486
Жыл бұрын
Hello kababayan! Where or what are these defense-oriented communities? I only am active in foreign communities, would be nice to see the local side of things.
@reynanlamsen2007
Жыл бұрын
@@jiggy6486 Non - credible defense, If I have to take a wild guess.
@jiggy6486
Жыл бұрын
@@reynanlamsen2007 I already am a member since 2021, also NCD counts as a foreign community since we only ever show up there when someone doomposts about our military. I just want to see where these AFP officers post and if they have good takes lol
@TheGeeoff
Жыл бұрын
It's great to hear free democracies sharing information together!
@christiandauz3742
Жыл бұрын
The US should pay, trained and equip poor but motivated American and Filipino volunteers to fight for Ukraine!
If KZread would credit creators for value delivered rather than just minutes watched, you’d already be one of the richest channels ever. I have also enjoyed your appearances on other channels and interviews and would love to see more of that. Infotainment/Edutainment at its best. Thanks for continued service to your community.
I think this is my favorite channel at the moment. Military analysis isn't my favorite subject, but having long well-researched videos more than makes up for that.
At age 19, back in 1971, a few of us rode on top of an M113 on a reddish dirt road about 15 klicks east of Chu Lai SVietnam along the foothills. We had a couple wounded in the shell. F-4’s and saw-equipped Hueys kept NVA down while the 113’s extracted us.
@sqnhunter
Жыл бұрын
Wait..... did you time travel??? How the hell did you get SAW equipped Huey`s? If you are talking M249 SAW...it didn't see service until 1986??? Huey`s in Vietnam usually were fitted with the M60D! But def no SAW! Every man that served in Vietnam knows they used M60`s.
@Strafprozessordnung
Жыл бұрын
@@sqnhunter maybe a daydream. Bc being in war is kewl yo
@sqnhunter
Жыл бұрын
@@Strafprozessordnung Yes...only kewl until you been there. Being there changes outlook!
@Strafprozessordnung
Жыл бұрын
@@sqnhunter never been myself, had enough seeing what it did to friends. And "living in action/the field" (trenching, living out of a backpack, literal german term translation), just fucking sucks. Fun, but only when talking about it afterwards. No where near as fun as the advertisements 😂
@sqnhunter
Жыл бұрын
@@Strafprozessordnung 32 year veteran myself, 15 years retired and living in Mexico now. I don't wish it on anyone myself. You cant live normally afterwards. I just like being alone now days. My kids and my grandkids should never know what war is, but if this war gets out of hand in Europe, I can see my hopes wasted with the reality of the conflict, along with the rest of the world. While I detest war, sometimes the only way for evil to succeed is for too few to do too little. 🤥
I was an airborne Ranger, which is very light infantry. I can assure you there are times I want armor to do a job, even though personally I was always most comfortable in my element (quietly in the woods, preferably dark). I noticed each MOS is most comfortable doing what they’re trained to do.
@ahennessy7998
Жыл бұрын
@DiversityIsOurStrength interestingly enough, about 30% of Afghanistan was forested in 2000
@ahennessy7998
Жыл бұрын
@DiversityIsOurStrength ok, good for you.
@goatmealcookies7421
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service!
@markmitchell457
Жыл бұрын
@DiversityIsOurStrength you should see photos of Afghanistan in the 60s. It was a fairly nice place. It's a tribal sh1t hole now.
@isaiahsmith6016
Жыл бұрын
What was it like being a Ranger?
The Bradley is a beast, less so for its firepower, and more for its extremely well-designed suit of sensors and comms letting it relay information to friendly forces and artillery. But having an overpowered chain gun is also nice
@funcounting
Жыл бұрын
The flying version is the most terrifying.
@silentdrew7636
Жыл бұрын
Big gun go BRR
@thatonejackassfromru
Жыл бұрын
@@funcounting huh?
@murphy7801
Жыл бұрын
@@thatonejackassfromru watch a channel called laserpig he covered that
@murphy7801
Жыл бұрын
@@funcounting that was the m113 if your talking about Mike sparks 😂😂😂
Thanks for all the work you're putting into this! You're coverage of this event is unparalleled! Dont burn yourself out though. Don't let us get in the way of your life!
Perun is elite level support for the everyday infantryman. Thank You, Good Sir.
A masterpiece. You keep hitting the ball out of the park and into solar orbit. I honestly don’t know how you can cover so much ground each week and produce consistently brilliant content, but I’m glad you do and I’m a very impressed Patreon. My only concern is that you may burn yourself out at this pace. Take care, fella.
@olic7266
Жыл бұрын
burning out is for p*****s
@ontheruntonowhere
Жыл бұрын
@diversityisourstrength4223 Says the internet guy who needs to chime in on every thread with unfunny, mean-spirited, obvious cries for attention. It's classy to say nice things and tell people you appreciate them.
@jonlee2217
Жыл бұрын
@DiversityIsOurStrength You sounds jealous, do you need a hug?
@jonlee2217
Жыл бұрын
@DiversityIsOurStrength aww, poor little Ivan, everybody hates him, he's going down the garden to eat worms.
"Open field storage during the 1990s... that's a high threat environment." But, dang, the tank periscope, BTR night vision system, and the BMP sights are a great addition to your collection
@irgendwieanders2121
Жыл бұрын
🤣
@ptonpc
Жыл бұрын
I did a quick check on Ebay a few days ago, you can still buy Russian IFV sights on it.
@Edax_Royeaux
Жыл бұрын
Well Communist doctrine did speak of redistribution of wealth.
@LuvBorderCollies
Жыл бұрын
@@Edax_Royeaux Marx was a devil worshiper so that pretty much explains why Communism has the pathetic and violent record it does and will continue to have. Want to know more? Newer book out called Marx and the Devil (close to those words) plus at least one interview on KZread with the researcher and author.
@Concord003
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the 1990s were high threat environment both in Russia and Ukraine. The tank repair factory here in Lviv was guarded so poorly that the neighbourhood boys sneaked into it on a dare on multiple occasions. Worst case they would meet a security guard with a shotgun loaded with salt instead of buckshot.
Thank you for an, as always, great video. Putting out videos of this quality in a frequency that high is just amazing. I would like to add just one small thing: Technically the german HS 30, armed with a 20mm autocannon in a rotating turret, which started development around 1955, was the first IFW. It was without doubt a terrible vehicle, which got replaced by the Spz Marder about ten years after introduction but it has all the key characteristics of an IFW.
@PerunAU
Жыл бұрын
Yep - I regret not mentioning the poor thing which is why I gave it a callout in the pinned comment. Cheers for the kind words.
@davidtr90
Жыл бұрын
@@PerunAU i`m sorry, did not see it. As always reading helps.
I have no idea how you manage to have a normal worklife and still produce stuff like this so frequently. It is very much appreciated.
"IFVs and APCs are getting destroyed *because* they work" is a would be a daring conclusion if it was backed up by anything less rigorous than a Perun analysis. I continue to appreciate your analyses, this channel has been phenomenally informative and a master class besides.
Remember when people unironically thought the Bradley as "A troop transport that can't carry troops, a reconnaissance vehicle that's too conspicuous to do reconnaissance and a quasi-tank that has less armor than a snow-blower, but carries enough ammo to take out half of D.C"
@Edax_Royeaux
Жыл бұрын
Remember when people unironically thought the Russian army was a threat?
@TheRezro
Жыл бұрын
I mean that quote was a joke. Quite obviously IFV is neither of those. Burton was a idiot who demand tests for something army already know, because he couldn't understand role of new at the time IFV. Movie though place him as protagonist actually place hints pointing that he was wrong. Like when one of soldiers correct him regard procedure. That they test scale of damage with increasingly stronger charges, not if it survive obvious overkill. Or when he test Romanian RPG on doors, one of officers counter it with statement that those were strong doors (what is true. Ammo depo doors are usually heavily armored). Also no. Bradley didn't start as M113, it was always designed as counter to BMP. It is why commanding officer was triggered. Because program in fact did have overruns and they needed push in production something capable to counter it, even if they would correct known flaws later.
@christiandauz3742
Жыл бұрын
Allies wished they had Bradleys back in WW2!
@p_serdiuk
Жыл бұрын
Lazerpig gang
@TheLastSterling1304
Жыл бұрын
@@TheRezrouh yeah that's my point. The problem is the average person watched that movie and didn't realize it was a satirical movie based on an untruthful memoir of Burton. I mean for how long did people think the Belton Cooper's book 'Death Traps' was a accuracy account to the quality of the Sherman Tank.
I think a lot of people forget what a war between two mechanized armies on the same order of magnitude of strength looks like. Fortunately, most of us only have ODS in 91 as a frame of reference where coalition losses were minimal and the Iraqis got routed in a few days, where the US had more casualties due to disease and accidents than enemy fire. This war in many ways should be viewed more like the Iran-Iraq war than the Gulf War in 1991. It's not a perfect parallel, those armies especially the Iranians were a lot less mechanized, but both sides had large mech and air forces which took large losses, had to mobilize men by the hundreds of thousands to expand the military, went through periods of static trench warfare, and so on. It was a horrific, casualty intensive conflict and unfortunate so is Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Whenever I hear "X of Y have been destroyed. They must be useless" I have to wonder what people think happens in war. Nothing is invulnerable on the battlefield and never has been. Knights in full plate could still be killed. Forts and castles could be starved out or be breached by siege and taken by storm. They might be harder to crack open, but nothing is impervious to all attacks. Like remember all those battles in WWII where the attacker won but still lost hundreds of tanks and other vehicles? We didn't say they were useless because an AT gun could kill them 2km away. We asked how can we make them even better? I'd also like to remind those people that the squishy human made of meat and bones has been vulnerable to everything from rocks to spears to arrows to swords to bullets to high explosives. We still send in those squishy infantrymen and they are arguably the most vital element of an army.
@Momusinterra
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Professor Obvious.
22:50 - Dear Perun, there is an old engineering saying: "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, and in practice, there is"
@holgerfickenwirth478
Жыл бұрын
Hi Tommy, I am an "old"engineer, a german , and we also have a saying: theory is, when you know all and everything, but nothing works. Practice is, when all and everything works, but you dont know why. We have the perfect combination of theory and practice: nothing works, and nobody has an idea why not!
I hope you realise that all those videos you make are better than most lectures and guest speakers. Thank you so much for your passion and hard work.
@BoraHorzaGobuchul
Жыл бұрын
Yeah we can be sure that in the unlikely case Perun is out of a job he can easily make up for it by giving paid lectures
Amazing stuff as usual. Also notable is the fact of 220K views in 9 hours out of 340k subscribers. The fact that 2/3 of your audience is watching these vids the moment they are released is testament to their quality.
@PaulA-bv1rt
Жыл бұрын
Zerofighter42..21 hours and over 44,000 more views than subscribers. Amazing figures, shows how good this video is. Perun could become a sought after military lecturer.
@zakbaker6620
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulA-bv1rt if I was still in the US Army, I'd be assigning these videos as required viewing for my soldiers, and assigning weekly optional short essays responses (500 words or so, nothing crazy) these videos would be wonderful assets for STT.
@thalapeng
Жыл бұрын
For the last three months I am actively planning my Sunday to include one hour of chores, solo walks or solo rides.
@PaulA-bv1rt
Жыл бұрын
Zak, very true. The research level is top shelf with the tools at hand. The content is as detailed as could be done by a person with no military inside assistance. Educational for all and would make very good military reading for all countries armed forces .
@JFred2
Жыл бұрын
Except in reality, 75% of those views are from people that aren't even subscribed. He's one of the few creators that never asks people to like and subscribe. While annoying, the reason people do that is because it works. Then again I'm also pretty sure Perun doesn't even monetize these videos so the guy clearly isn't motivated by money or overtly trying to grow his audience
Always happy to get my Perun fix! Thanks so much for making these! Very helpful to hear someone who's not afraid to say they don't know everything and is still willing to go through the weeds and make some kind of picture from the chaos
Leopard 2 + Bradly combined arms units looks like the way forward for Ukraine to make offensive forces and should technologically overmatch just about anything Russia can field. Weather and terrain conditions as well as the time to deliver and train means were unlikly to see such a combo used untill summer.
@bluemarlin8138
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Supposedly the Leopard II A4s being sent are 1980s vintage and the countries that are sending them don’t have the modern 120mm rounds that will penetrate newer tanks. BUT....that’s still the same 120mm gun on the Abrams. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some newer US 120mm rounds show up. Even the early 90s vintage US DU rounds are perfectly adequate for anything but a frontal shot on the latest T-90 variant (which are very few in number) or a T-14 (which are basically nonexistent). The newer US rounds will penetrate anything out there. Not sure if the Leopard IIs being sent have the spaced armor or just the base protection system, but either way, it’ll still be better than most of the opposition, especially if Ukraine slaps some ERA on there. The Bradley is a beast too. That 25mm can kill anything that’s not a tank, and the TOW missiles can definitely take out tanks.
@primarchvulkan5097
Жыл бұрын
@BlueMarlin81 T14s aren't even in active russian service yet, they are nonexistent as they are only on paper after the 2014 sections apparently Russia couldn't figure out how to build them (or get them through testing/trials). I would not the 25mm on the Bradley had multiple confirmed kills on T72s, russia has been seen using base standard t72s which it could kill ans even t62s which it could easily kill. With many russian tanks applicae armor being shown to be rubber I'm fairly certain any 120 would have next to no issue penning russian tanks.
@D64nz
10 ай бұрын
Well this comment certantly aged like milk. They got the Leopard and Bradley combo and they lost them in record numbers as soon as they arrived at the frontline. For now the T-90 dominates the battlefield with a single tank with drone support killing an entrie AFU armoured push in minutes. That's a story that is being repeated all over the battlefield when they are insane enough to go out in the day, while the KA-52s have a turkey shot at night taking out tanks from now 15km away, without the tanks even knowing they have been spotted and engaged.
@D64nz
10 ай бұрын
@@primarchvulkan5097 I'm not sure where you read that,but you need to update your sources. Bradleys have no chance against most modern MBT's unless they can ambush them from the side or behind.
The numbers on Russian command vehicle losses are really remarkable. Given that those vehicles are generally used at the battalion level and higher, there generally won't be that many of them out there. Those numbers probably represent an extremely high percentage of the ones that would have been deployed in Ukraine. Also commanding officers, often quite senior, ride around in those vehicles. So it is an interesting question how many of them (senior Russian officers) are still in the fight.
@rasek240
Жыл бұрын
Oryx - super
@TheRezro
Жыл бұрын
It is because those tend to be mounted by officers. And so are both high priority target and because negative morale were commonly in the danger zone trying rely other units to assault. Lesson. Having distinct command vehicles is ridiculous.
@thomasgade226
Жыл бұрын
A command vehicle may be easier to detect from space, as they likely transmit different radio patterns compared to a grunt APC .
@Matt_The_Hugenot
Жыл бұрын
It demonstrates excellence in targeting by UAF, from identification, through tasking, to execution.
@TreyWait
Жыл бұрын
Those vehicles shouldn't be in danger, they should be safely behind a screen considering how important they are. Which make the loss numbers even more mind blowing and points at severe improper tactical use.
The British Army did play with an APC in WW1. It was the MK IX tank, built to carry Infantry across no man's land in support of the tanks. They only built 34 of them before the war ended.
@1ukjunglednbraver
Жыл бұрын
seen one yesterday in the tank museum in bovingdon. what a amazing place the T72 looks like a baby tank next to a Challenger 2. what a cool place just wish it had a bit more information or how the armor works not like top secrets but the basics of composite armor.spaced or explaining in depth shaped charges and explosive reactive armor or non explosive reactive armor. it was very cool to see all the tanks though.
@josiahstreetman8806
Жыл бұрын
I think you mean the Land Raider, lol
@samuellove9619
Жыл бұрын
@@josiahstreetman8806 reverse land raider
@Edax_Royeaux
Жыл бұрын
I can see why they gave up. Tanks were so unreliable back then that at the Battle of Amiens (1918) that finally broke the German Lines wide open, out of the 500 battle ready tanks that took part, only 6 tanks were still battle ready by day 4. The infantry was suppose to complete phase 3 with infantry-carrying Mark V tanks but in the end they choose to not even bother. They had to continue the Hundred Days Offensive with armored car battalions and cavalry divisions in place of the tanks.
@LuvBorderCollies
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. It makes sense. I hadn't heard of it but haven't invested tons of time studying WW1 outside of late US Army involvement. Namely the US 37th Division 135th MG Battalion from August - Nov 11th 1918. Thanks for the info and education. 👍
It's simple: the growth of the channel is because of very well researched videos which deliver in-depth information which is truly hard to come by (because it's hard to research and put together). Certainly want to thank you at least as much for your continued strive of providing your audience a more accurate and complet view. It's so much appreciated.
Also something of note for the Bradley in 1991. While yes it did do quite well we forget that Iraq's armor force was pretty old. According to IISS MB in 1990, only 1000 of their 5530 tanks were T-72s. The remaining 4500 were basically equally split between T-62s, T-55s, and Chinese Typy 59/69 tanks. Russia is pulling out a lot of old hardware, but they're not at the stage of making nearly a third of their tank fleet T-55s...
@robertsneddon731
Жыл бұрын
An ATGM of the type the Bradley carries will seriously damage any modern tank, at least a mission kill which is all that is really needed in a fight i.e stopping the other guys from shooting back at you. A T90M with its gunsight obliterated or having a track blown off is not a functional piece of kit any more. Flipping the turret of a T-72 is spectacular but it's still only a mission kill in reality.
@WWFanatic0
Жыл бұрын
@@robertsneddon731 For sure the Bradley is still a very deadly IFV, particularly to Soviet designs from the 80s to early 90s. My point was that while Russia is pulling out old kit, if an ODS era Bradley goes to Ukraine its typical targets will be much better protected. I've not been able to verify them, but I've heard accounts of Bradleys defeating tanks in ODS with just the autocannon. A T-55's top armor was vulnerable to autocannon fire (hence the idea of the A-10s gun). Even an old T-72 wouldn't have such vulnerabilty though. Basically the Bradley was fighting mostly tanks and IFVs that were a decade or two older than it in 1991. In Ukraine they'll likely go up against targets of similar era (assuming they're getting old models) and in some cases newer vintage. It's still a highly capable vehicle, but it won't be nearly as easy a fight and unlikely to be a stomp like 1991 was.
@charlesc.9012
9 ай бұрын
The t-55 was less than 40 years old at that point and still a viable machine, the most common NATO main gun was still between 90 and 105mm. The t-72 fleet is now about 50 years old, and a t-72A in 2023 is less effective than a t-55 back in 1991
After having watched these videos every week since the beginning of the conflict I feel like I can judge statements by politicians or „experts“ about it with a confidence I otherwise only have in my own degree, it‘s crazy. The content is highly educational while still being very entertaining somehow, even though it’s just a slideshow I‘m even thinking about if it would make sense to get into the whole thing myself one day (I‘m a trainee lawyer in germany) since it‘s super interesting Thank you so much for your work!
@LD-Orbs
Жыл бұрын
"Just a slideshow" that pushes your military IQ up a point every time you watch it. Two points if you starting from a civilian ground zero baseline, like I am. These things are GOLD. Watch them all, watch them multiple times.
@foxwithaplan858
Жыл бұрын
I feel the same. Welcome to this beautiful Dunning-Kruger-Valley ;)
@zeeninetynine
Жыл бұрын
Indeed, watching all of Perun's videos has been like taking a mini-course :)
@MrWonszBoa
Жыл бұрын
get into what yourself? making KZread videos?
@PKownzthem
Жыл бұрын
@@MrWonszBoa defense industry or administration as a career
13:57 Brilliant! As an American I couldn't help but laugh out loud! That's why we also have nicknames for everything!
@idioluh5838
Жыл бұрын
Everyone has a nickname for everything. But at least others can choose not to have them if they want :D .
@FirstDagger
Жыл бұрын
They aren't really nicknames, more so official names.
@mrsock3380
Жыл бұрын
@@FirstDagger a good example of the is the Thunderbolt 2, official name that I had to look up to see if my memory serves me correctly.
Man you have a gift for presenting information, it probably helps that I'm interested in what's being presented but the way you tie it all together so seamlessly is awesome
Personally, I am of the opinion that a prolonged conflict serves nobody's best interests, so the US should just give Ukraine something like 1,000 Bradleys and 500 Abrams (or maybe even more) and just end it already. We have much more than that gathering dust in the desert, and I think the percentage that are serviceable in our desert boneyards is going to be a lot higher than Russia's in their boneyards in wet and cold environments, not to mention corruption and lack of maintenance on the Russian side. Yeah, yeah there are maintenance and logistical and training issues, but those could be overcome if there was political will to do so.
@awf6554
Жыл бұрын
Maybe not the Abrams', but certainly the Bradleys.
The video of that medevac in that m113 ambulance in Soledar was absolutely heartstopping. You even saw an artillery shell land just 20-30 metres away from the armored vehicle near the end.
@earld1403
Жыл бұрын
In this video, the time mark is @ 48:13 Also the original video is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d3eClpegqM2WZaw.html
@pieter-bashoogsteen2283
Жыл бұрын
@@earld1403 Thanks, I prefer watching it on KZread, allows me to save it
@user-vt2cr8qd1b
Жыл бұрын
yeah good thing they were in an armored vehicle. They possibly caught shrapnel from that
@bluemarlin8138
Жыл бұрын
@@user-vt2cr8qd1b Most likely they would have had at least a couple of shrapnel injuries. What people don’t seem to get about IFVs is that they’re not there to make soldiers invulnerable. They exist mainly to transport troops at high speed while keeping them safe from small arms fire and shrapnel from artillery (or whatever else) exploding nearby, and some of them can take out enemy positions/vehicles or suppress enemy fire. Sure, they’ll get destroyed sometimes. But you know what else will get destroyed? Soldiers charging at enemy positions under machine gun and artillery fire.
@Ergzay
Жыл бұрын
@@earld1403 That's not the original video, just some re-upload with someone's music they put on top. The audio was replaced.
For the M113, there might be a Variant Ukraine might want. The Mortar APC M106. It started with a 107mm and 81mm Mortar variant but was upgraded to a 120mm Variant. It isn't a Battle Taxi anymore but share the same Parts as a M113. so having 2000 M113 and 100 M106 would be a great mobility bonus, even when the M113 is slow. And as a German: We got 350 Marder on the Scrapyard, waiting for scrapping. They need to be refurbished, but they can be putt back into combat condition. But it will take time. That are the Marders when German Politicians say: They come from the Industrie, they are practically already sold off and waiting for their refurbished Shipment to Greece or to be scrapped. This year 100 Marders were be slated to go to Greece.
@DS.J
Жыл бұрын
Lithuania supplied 10 self-propelled Tampella 120mm mortars on M113 chassis. There is a video somewhere of one of them being used in the battlefield.
@matstick199
Жыл бұрын
My ukranian friend said they wanted m163 VADS to use as IFVs
@scifidude184
Жыл бұрын
When the whole "Spare Marders" article came out, people fail to mention a majority of those Marders were scrapped in 2014, it is a miracle Germany even had spare marders to send.
@Nimmermaer
Жыл бұрын
@@DS.J As the name Panzermörser suggests, these were originally given to Lithuania by Germany, along with 300 M113s in total. For a token amount, if I remember correctly.
@miketogwell1000
Жыл бұрын
Would have thought lots of the m113 variants would be welcome - especially mortar carriers and AAA, but even the basic ones have some use outside cimbat
I thought this would be boring but instead I was riveted the whole way thru. Great work mate. Really brilliant.
As a US teacher, I wouldn't mind an armored vehicle
@External2737
Жыл бұрын
It would change strike negotiations...
Perun if you need to reduce your video output to twice a month instead of every weekend your fans can understand why you might reduce video output. You put so much research and information into your videos that it could be taxing working a job on top making amazingly detailed and researched KZread videos. Keep well Perun you are one of a kind.
@kennethng8346
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, if you need to take more time to develop those zingers, DO IT, ITS WORTH IT. "exploded vehicles should be replaced" and "the next teacher's strike to be that much more interesting" 🙂. I'd much rather have fewer masterpieces than a lot of "ok" material.
@stephenbernard3003
Жыл бұрын
I can’t help but feel this research is at least part of his day job. If it wasn’t then I’d wonder if he was a cyborg…
Good stuff, as usual! Please keep it up. Very interesting analysis of the capabilities of the Bradley fighting vehicle. And lovely snarky humour that always brings us back. Best wishes from New Zealand!
The M1 section was pure gold!
Private Conscriptovich is one of the luckiest guys. He's everywhere, and hasn't been injured or killed yet.
@sachinaraszkiewicz785
Жыл бұрын
That's only because Perun has yet to make a video on MedEvac and field medical procedures!
@jozefkozon4520
Жыл бұрын
@@sachinaraszkiewicz785 that was METAL.
AFU requests a lot of APC/IFV not so much because they need to recover from losses, but mainly because AFU expanded about 3x times since the start of the war.
@V-V1875-h
Жыл бұрын
kinda what he stated, was visible in the generals graphs too. it's a combination of both but mostly the expansion
@idioluh5838
Жыл бұрын
@@V-V1875-h yeah, that's true. It's just my awful habit of writing a comment before watching the full video :D .
@nihluxler1890
Жыл бұрын
No. Those are to recover from losses. Zaluzhny himself plainly stated in an interview a few weeks ago that to conduct a successful offensive toward Melitopol and eventually cut the land bridge would require of the west to provide AT LEAST 300 additional tanks, 700 IFVs/APCs and 500 artillery pieces (with all the corresponding ammo). If the Ukrainian ground forces really had ballooned to 3x their original size of around 3000 armored vehicles (all categories comprised), they should by far have that capability already. Instead, they are asking for brand new vehicles their crew will never be as potent with, in the current conditions, as the ones they were initially trained on, and will require a complete rebuilding of their logistical infrastructure. Go figure.
@georgethompson913
Жыл бұрын
@@nihluxler1890 actually, just because you raised 700 000 soldiers doesn't mean you have the BMP',s to support them. More IFV, 's from afar means more TDF given offensive capabilities.
@idioluh5838
Жыл бұрын
@@nihluxler1890 I meant they increased 3x original size in manpower, not hardware. And that's exactly why this hardware is needed, because while you can defend a trench without IFV, it's really hard to start an assault.
As a former sgt in us army during the 80’s, I thought the bit about the M1, M1, M1 etc was hilarious! I had to rewatch multiple times.
Amazing details. Ty. Love the long format. I listen to your videos over and over.
8:35 The IFV is not only supporting the infantry, it's also the other way around, for example in obscured terrain, then the infantry leads. In mobile warfare both components are one system, they are supposed to move and fight together.
@Knight_Kin
Жыл бұрын
Indeed, the mechanized infantry doctrine.
@macmcleod1188
Жыл бұрын
Which requires a lot of training.
Thank you for providing us with the best most informative videos on the conflict available on KZread. Your work is much appreciated!
@asaunders1406
Жыл бұрын
There is one born every minute. Barnum would have loved you.
@IamOutOfNames
Жыл бұрын
@@asaunders1406 You should know...
Yes, I really do appreciate the effort that you put into making these videos. Thank you!
Fantastic! Thank you for this excellent, objective, and very timely analysis. All the best to you in the new year.
The return of private conscriptovich and sergeant bicepski!
I've never heard an Aussie wrap his mouth around German so well 👍
@badluck5647
Жыл бұрын
There has to be a better way to phrase this!
@MrStringybark
Жыл бұрын
My younger sister did German up until 3rd Year but the only people that could understand her "German" were the other Australian students who learnt German with her.
@MotionMcAnixx
Жыл бұрын
My sister and her boyfriend Gunther would say otherwise...
@richardthomas598
Жыл бұрын
@@badluck5647 I didn't write "a German." 😅
@badluck5647
Жыл бұрын
@@richardthomas598 When I first read this, I thought you were a Russian troll referring to....something else.
Many thanks for yet another great video!👌 As usual very interesting, l don’t know how you do it, but it must have been lot of work to find all the information. Anyway, we’re all sitting left with a lot more knowledge than we were before your video(s). Appreciate it a lot and looking forward to the next one!!😊👍
Perun has that rare element of 'Je ne sais quoi'. It is the ephemeral un-nameable quality to his commentaries that makes for a riveting watch and makes a dry factual presentation both memorable and hits the right emotional beats.
Hell, Perun, I'm so happy for you. I joined your channel about 2 years ago for Dominions 5 - and now this! Truly, heartfelt grats, you're one of the most nuanced people swimming above the sludge that is internet content.
The M1 skit (13:20) was hilarious lol. Thanks for such a interesting and informative video.
Enough IFV's also serve as a great tool to move troops, and move them fast to where they are needed which reduces fatigue and other health related issues due to marching. It increases morale, initiative aswell when troops know they can take cover inside their IFV, which also increases survivability of wounded troops due to the speed, mobility and ability to carry heavy weight out of the battlefield.
As an American this video hurt my M1’s feelings and I demand an M1 in recompense or I’ll be forced to take the M1 into my own hands.
36:58 Keep in mind that capturing vehicles could also be in order to procure spare parts to keep other vehicles operational.
@brianjonker510
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. It would seem to me a very low percentage of captured tanks and APC would be returned to use by the Ukrainians.
@V-V1875-h
Жыл бұрын
@@brianjonker510 depending on the needs, I have heard that the most modern stuff is used until it breaks down and then stripped for parts, if it survives as long
@MarcosElMalo2
Жыл бұрын
Yep, but if they’re used for spares, then they shouldn’t be counted as returned to service.
@wilfdarr
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't count on the Russians continued generosity: at some point they have got to figure out that they need to destroy their equipment before they abandon it.
@OptimusSledge
Жыл бұрын
@@wilfdarr Good luck convincing conscripts with two weeks training that they need to stop and disable their vehicle before legging it. Hell, good luck getting them to remember what they need to do, let alone to actually do it.
Based on initial analysis, I estimate that were an average of 1.38 humorous quips or pithy comments per slide in this presentation. I look forward to you reviewing and posting your pithiness findings on the Perun Humourdex with appropriate tables and spreadsheets with sidebars. A very informative and entertaining presentation.. thank you.
These are well made breakdowns. We can clearly see the time and effort you put in to researching the topic and making the video.
Thank you I watch them all with fascination
This channel grows quickly because the consistently high quality of the content. Thank you for yet another top quality episode.
Thanks for sticking to your release schedule like clockwork mate. Highly professional as always. Cheers 👍
Thanks for this. As always I appreciate what you do.
Thanks Perun, quality work as always. We do appreciate it.
I think I already developed Pavlov dog's reflexes, every Sunday I expect a Perun video. Thank your for posting them, Perun!
Germany actually had an ifv of sorts before the soviets did, it was called "Schützenpanzer lang", but it wasn't very successful due to its very many mechanical issues.
@zhufortheimpaler4041
Жыл бұрын
HS-30 Schützenpanzer Lang, but also Schützenpanzer Kurz (Hotchkiss). Both entered service 2-3 years ahead of the BMP-1
@termitreter6545
Жыл бұрын
Was about to write that, Germany had Panzergrenadiers in WW2, and afterwards it wanted to expand on the IFV-concepts.The Lang was a pretty terrible vehicles by most accords due to production and deasign issues, so hardly anyone remembers it, but it was the first^^
@paullakowski2509
Жыл бұрын
@@termitreter6545 i thought reliability was due construction being SWISS/BRITISH industry??
@MrFusselig
Жыл бұрын
Even the development of the Marder started before the BMP-1 and there were prototypes before the Soviets even thought about the BMP. The BMP was an answer to the HS-30.
Not seen a lot of comments on it, but I for one absolutely appreciate the American M1 section. I actually laughed out loud and people looked at me funny.
Very much appreciated my friend! While I understand (to some degree) the discrepancies between ones own analysis of data and another's, I feel significantly more informed after watching your videos than before and your view to consider these things from both sides adds so much value!