IndieVelo looks like a quality competitor to Zwift especially for cyclists who love to train and race and are not so focused on social aspects.

@paulschulman8131

7 ай бұрын

It is. I use it for workouts

@FastSurYT

5 ай бұрын

indieVelo, even if it's free and let us tough that the quality will be bad, is really better than zwift i tested both and there is no debat

I found the following fact interesting: George Gilbert was chairman of the Zwift Cycling Esports Commision for over 3 years (until May 2023). indieVelo was founded in June 2023.

@logohigh1

7 ай бұрын

I find it interesting too , indeed this was the first thing I thought of commentating . Maybe im paranoid but it looks like spawn of zwift - attempting to capture the Whole market , not really as a competitor at all ... the only plus side is its server based like rgt was

I like many of the features you discussed. I’m not into racing hard core, but anti cheat in the design just makes sense. The physics aspects are nice - one of my pet peeves with Zwift is the unrealistically high average speed for Watts (which messes up total kms for the year). I don’t see this really taking off without it being acquired and merged into another platform though. One man shows have their limits.

Thanks! Hope Trainer Road was listening!

Very interesting!!! Great video. Love the racing detail and anti doping. Love that it makes you race similar level competition.

Wow, this will be the first app to try when bringing my trainer back from the garage ))

A fantastic summary, I’ll definitely be signing up for IndieVelo!

Great video Tariq. Very inspiring to see what other indie developers have created in this space. It's exciting to see more content that we can use with our equipment. It's small indie projects like this that provide the innovation riders want.

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

Definitely always good to see smaller projects like this. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼

Let's try and see. I currently do TrainerROAD plan and occasionally Zwift climbs for fun. Structured training is important for me when offseason on the indoor trainer.

Ace review. I just came across IV on a cycling podcast and have signed up. Searching for more info, I see you were onto this 5 months ago! Im subbing in to keep up. Cheers

@SmartBikeTrainers

Ай бұрын

Awesome, thank you and welcome aboard 👍

You are so right about TR. Tehy should incorporate a platform like this. 👏

Well, didn't know about this app until you posted this, so going to give it a try with the kickr bike. Thanks for the report.

@Eclipse240

3 ай бұрын

How was it

@Steve-cc8zg

3 ай бұрын

It's OK. I mean, there's a lot to it. I like how much you have available to you in regard to real time stats while you are riding. But there's just one odd thing. There's a lot of people there. Or at least, there are a lot of bikes and avatars. But nobody says a damn thing. I mean, nobody talks. One thing about Zwift that I love is that interaction, even with people who aren't in a group or whatever. But not with indievelo. There's people everywhere, it seems. But nobody is interested in saying anything. So, in the end, if it's a training tool, it's probably good. But if you are looking for another indoor app that offers the same kind of social interaction, at least right now, this one isn't it. It's a good app though, it seems from what I have done.@@Eclipse240

Everything you said about IndieVelo sounds about right, but regarding the video title, they're simply _not_ shaking up indoor cycling. Serious indoor racing is a niche within the already-niche of indoor cycling, and making a racing app that is technically flawless with pristine physics is not enough to attract a significant audience. It's a good experiment, though.

It's amazing to me just how much one guy can do! I've done two rides on it and much prefer the cycling dynamics of indievelo vs the other apps. The graphics are definitely a weak spot but on the plus side I see 60 fps consistently :D

This looks brilliant!

Sound really good.i´m all up for more fair races with realistic physics based on riders geometry.

Wow, very interesting.

Wow. Very interesting indeed. Tariq is always onto these new developments and also at the right time for many as it's winter in many countries now

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

Just trying to stay on top of the tech 😁 Thanks for watching Zaahier 🙏🏼

@zaahierstanley955

7 ай бұрын

@@SmartBikeTrainers it's somehow very difficult for anyone to take on zwift really even when they offer it for free. One thing I never liked about some apps is the fact that they reduce your watts in the corners and try to make it "so real". In many ways we really don't like loosing watts at all and wish they could just drop that whole issue as the ride time indoors are generally short and we want the highest watts possible in that short hours and really want to be pedal and seeing that watts even in the corners

Nice insight, thanks

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

You are welcome!

i'll try it tomorrow, thanks for sharing. i tried mywhoosh tonight and i don't think i saw a single human

@hughbike

7 ай бұрын

Don't be surprised if you don't see another human here either; but it won't matter because you will be surrounded by bots of every ability. There are also group rides of numerous paces and you can even set up custom races/rides/workouts!

I don't race but it feels more like riding a bike than playing a wii game which is good. A bit more range of places to ride in and slightly better immersive graphics would be a welcome addition. Be interesting to see what improvements get added on over the next few months.

Compelling intro to indievelo...thank you

Very interesting. I'm keeping an eye to IndieVelo since a while but, unlucky me, I only have an iPad for now. Btw, you mentionned braking and positionning in the bunch, is the app deciding for us when to brake or go right or left in the bunch? Or can we use some kind of controllers to choose when to brake and to move left/right?

@bruceritchie7613

7 ай бұрын

The app does do the braking, yes. You can see when others are braking as well by the colour of speed indicator. I don't know about positioning as I've never played with that but in general it feels like a much better handling of pack dynamics - I don't think I rode through anyone today in my 90 minute pace partner ride.

I saw they have track races, that is cool and I am surprised zwift has never done it.

It would be cool to do TR works outs on a platform like this! I don’t think TR workouts will ever be able to sync over to Zwift!

Exciting new player on the market. Bonus question. Is it a smartring you are wearing? :)

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

My wedding band? It’s just a regular ring. Not smart :)

It’d be amazing if developers could simply configure google maps with a smart trainer so you could ride or race anywhere virtually

@sigfreed11

7 ай бұрын

I’ve been wanting this for well over a decade on car racing game, but you are absolutely right it would be perfect for cycling games!

@chaosengine3772

7 ай бұрын

Bkool Sim.

It looks promising, especially if they focus on pack dynamics and drafting physics. For me, this is the main problem with Zwift, for example if you're sitting in a pack doing 180 watts and accelerate slightly, nothing really happens - eventually you will make your way forward but it takes way too long. IRL if you accelerate there is an immediate response.

Always sunny is a great idea.

can you customize virtual shifting keys? e.g to alt and strg keys?

Get the graphics of Virtupro and ATV compatibility, and I'm in.

@TrainerRoad 👀

I hope Indievelo adopt the Magic Road feature from the now defunct RGT

@edgardwill4932

5 ай бұрын

What's that brow?

I think if TR picked it up... I would be using TR

I’ve done a few recent rides on this. It’s free because beta, which also is why limited maps I assume. My only two issues with it: I wanted a long, easy ride and chose the 22 mi 400 ft ride. By 3 miles I’d already climbed 700 feet, so that was weird. Secondly it’s packed with obvious bots.

I would like to see the RGT Magic Roads feature implemented.

Anything with virtual shifting is my pick, so ill probably start using it after my free months of zwift are over.

is this fully compatible with the garmin smart trainers?

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

Yes it should be compatible Garmin Tacx smart trainers.

@hadston_HF

5 ай бұрын

​@@SmartBikeTrainers Great. Been watching for a while. Using Rouvy now, previously MyWhoosh, Bkool, Spivi. Rouvy my go to. But love the look of your racing. Only just acquired a smart trainer. Trax Flux 2. Will have a ride tomorrow Jan 20th 2024. See what goes on.

Does Indievelo have running like Zwift does as well?

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

Sadly it does not have running

Really a pity to don’t have a Apple TV version

What FPS does it get on a decent desktop? Looks so klunky on there.

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

On my gaming pc, it was getting around 100-130 fps

@JSffs44

7 ай бұрын

@@SmartBikeTrainers Interesting If graphics can compare to a very successful Zwift.

TrainerRoad? I didn’t know that even exists anymore…😂😂

Does it work with Macbook pro?

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

Yes, they have a MacOS version.

@waterdeptworker

7 ай бұрын

@@SmartBikeTrainers thank you...I will try to see how I can download it, thanks again.

@TheOkinawaBoy

7 ай бұрын

My MacBook Air M1 gets hot( same when riding in Zwift)

Zwift riders weight doping 90kg in real terms versus 60kg in Zwift,seen this!

First! Didn’t know about this. Thank you for covering it. 👌

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

😮 they have done a tremendous amount of work and definitely worth checking out. Thanks for watching Matt 🙏🏼

Indoor cycling apps like Zwift are heading more and more towards gamification rather than ‘real’ riding dynamics. Gaming is where the biggest market is.

No silly trainer difficulty feature?

@barrycorney3665

7 ай бұрын

Yes, it has TD....

Interesting, he is building a 'better mousetrap' and then sell that 'mousetrap' to Zwift (or someone else).

@ArdGeal

7 ай бұрын

I'm not subscribing until it's clear where it's going, but then I have 12 months free from Zwift from the "compensation" offered by Wahoo for RGT, and MyWhoosh is there for free, couldn't care less about racing and other riders and chit chatting/yakking and being in a group/club/gang....

goes to show that Zwift is way too expensive when one man can develop this

"wahoorgt diehards flocked to intervelilo" 9 people.

Nothing is on Zwifts planet with their racing leagues and events. It doesn’t matter if their physics is as perfect as others, the physics is equal for all and wattage and time don’t change regardless. It literally can’t be easier to build custom workouts that are engaging than Zwift. Don’t get me wrong, I would love a world builder component to mimic magic roads, but in the end Zwift takes the cake by a whole plant compared to the competition still.

Lol. The 23mm rim brake tubular guys now have a safe haven now RGT is no more. They want Zwift, but don’t wanna pay for it

@davidheppell4001

Ай бұрын

Guilty! 😂

Without support for ATV, growth will be very limited IMO. And without a good user base, the racing features will be pointless if hardly anyone to race against. This was the main problem with RGT

@hughbike

7 ай бұрын

Aaaah but guess what? You can create your own races/group rides even the number of participants! Are you looking for some deep zone 2 or sweet spot training? indieVelo will know your abilities after only a few rides and the algorithm will adjust the bots accordingly....it is amazingly simple to set up, 30 sec tops!

Probably just me but I could not get IV to find my sensors. Finally just gave up.

@hughbike

7 ай бұрын

If you are interested in trying again there is a huge base of regular users on a dedicated Discord channel that can help you with that. 100+ online ATM and almost 700 members

RGT fans? All 20 of them?

well this is kind of interesting. This whole concept is missing the adventure, though. What about the 37 (or worse 102) degree weather, what about the flat tires, what about almost being hit by a car? I understand, you're like "yea, that's the point, convenient, safe cycling-oriented competition". Also, Trainer Road, I like the straight-to-the-point, no-avatar, no frills, blue rectangles.

I didn't think it was possible to make a game with worse graphics than zwift.

@hughbike

7 ай бұрын

Sigh

@roadcyclist1

7 ай бұрын

@hughbike just making an observation. You're not the creator of the game are you?

Is this a sponsored video?

@SmartBikeTrainers

7 ай бұрын

No it is not sponsored

Graphic quality looks really really sh i T compared to Zwift...........

No USP. Everything they're spinning as a first, is already being done. Or will be very soon perhaps?

@jameseastwood402

7 ай бұрын

Wind, braking and draft feel, in-game race organisation, matchmaking, in-built verification measures, in-built dual recording, custom team kit for all, in-built broadcaster toolkit, API access, neutral start bots, keirin races, group workouts using custom workouts That's just a few USP elements off the top of my head!

@charliebad

7 ай бұрын

Oh it's an advert, I see. Sorry to interrupt.

@Horstelin

7 ай бұрын

An advert for something completely free?

Will have to give IndieVelo a look. I do prefer riding (virtually, of course) to videos of real-world routes (@Rouvy), but I'm looking for an simulation app that targets cyclists not looking for another social media app.