At least the Atheist is honest when he says "I don't know". Something that seems very hard for some people to admit. And to his defense. There is yet to be any proof of any supernatural existence.

@preetgamer1495

6 ай бұрын

Its about the sense of insecurity ! People fear to live with the statement "I don't know" and hence look for something to cling on irrespective of the fact that its untrue. In short, delulu is the new solulu

This was a good debate and I hope Otangelo revisits his core beliefs.

@roywallace5899

2 жыл бұрын

Why should he once again we accept you to believe what you want but you just can't leave us to believe what we do there is no God

@ddspace

2 жыл бұрын

1. Because there are no facts to support your belief in God 2. Because historically this belief in an unverifiable God has always be used to create rules (i.e.) what people should or should not do to receive God's blessings or curses Atheism is not a "belief". Its a mechanism to say "Here's what we know based on facts and here's what we don't know". It is a way to appreciate the world for all its grandeur and complexity without automatically assigning it an all knowing creator.

@roywallace5899

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddspace I am an agnostic you might as well say atheist because it would take God floating down from heaven right before my eyes and touching me and healing me of my pain so I'm with all of you it is time to drop this God s*** mankind knows what's good and bad or evil we know right from wrong it does not take some higher being to teach us this I agree with you 100% about religion and this silly believe in God I live in the Bible belt in Arkansas United States don't know where you're from but these people here are screwed up

@ddspace

2 жыл бұрын

​@@roywallace5899 A lot of folks have been subject to mental conditioning at a young age and that is something that is very hard to overcome. Logic and facts rarely win against deeply held beliefs. Religion is very very old and for all the terrible things it has unleashed, it has still provided people with a sense of structure and belonging. It will take a long time before religion is replaced.

@roywallace5899

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddspace I have the same morals talk to me by my mother in my house when I was a child that anybody who goes to church and listens to to this day if you want to go sit there and think there's some God watching over 7 billion people on this Earth and his name is Jesus effing Christ then believe it but it doesn't belong in our schools it belongs in your churches and in your communities and homes you don't have the right to subjected up on my kids it must be awful to think that the only way you can have morals is to believe in some hokey God but that's just my belief

Your mental endurance is great 😅 i am easily irritated by these dodgy arguments, good job pinning it right before things got loopy.

@vimoh

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The trick is to not over reach and deal with things on the table. One thing after the other.

@michaelmccarthy2369

2 жыл бұрын

@@vimoh you don't let people speak you constantly speak over people and you believe in a big bang an idea by a mortal man for some reason you believe where people have been with God for 2000+ years. Just like Indian scammers. You are well dodgy mate

@vimoh

2 жыл бұрын

The gentleman I was speaking with also seems to agree the big bang happened. Do you think he is dodgy too?

@swagatochatterjee7104

Жыл бұрын

@@vimoh how do you train to calm yourself down. I always start raging at times, which defeats the purpose. It would be great if we can learn the same.

@vimoh

Жыл бұрын

I don't know why. 😊

Atheist :- i don't know, i will explore and will find an answer. Theist - Well it must be God, God did that, God did this 😂 so God is the answer for theist's "don't knows".

@yuishigami780

10 ай бұрын

Dont forget it also is always god of my religion

I don't know is better than asserting something without evidence.

'I dont know' is better than ' my good god made us in his image, he did this did that and he loves you'

Good explanation vimoh sir.. Thanks please do more debate with Indian thiests also in hindi.

The Werewolf analogy got me ROFL! 😂😂😂✌️✌️✌️✌️

Not having a reason to believe in God is not a good reason to not believe in God? I can't help myself. I think we're going to need to list a few things we don't have good reason to believe. Starting with the obvious: -Santa -the tooth fairy -easter bunny -the flying spaghetti monster -mermaids -Bigfoot Does it follow that not having a reason to believe in mermaids is not a good reason to not believe in mermaids? I don't think it's necessarily the case that the universe is expand "into something" since space-time is within the universe. Think of it like all the galaxies are dots drawn on the skin of a balloon as it's blowing up, but the skin of the balloon itself is space-time. The analogy is weak because the balloon is in atmosphere, so you need to focus just on the skin and ignore the atmosphere. The atmosphere is in space-time but it wouldn't be true for the balloon as the universe. The *inflation* of the universe had a beginning. That's not the same thing as the universe having a beginning. Wasn't the demonstration of the existence of the Higgs-Boson particle ontological? They had calculated it should exist and set about an experiment to show it existed. I'm still not that confident with ontology.

@RustyWalker

2 жыл бұрын

@Rib_Guy_101 People have claimed to have God or claimed revelation in other ways, but it does not follow that they did, and thus it does not follow that God has given us anything.

@RustyWalker

2 жыл бұрын

*to have heard

You should do a collab with thecosmicsceptic!!

@vimoh

2 жыл бұрын

Kahaan wo, kahaan main

@glkglkglkglk9193

2 жыл бұрын

@@vimoh the onlything you're lacking is the audience man ,,,,,you're straight up there

@kk-ot9kn

2 жыл бұрын

@@glkglkglkglk9193 Bilkul sahi. Aap lage rahe bhai Vimoh audience bhi aa jaayegi hopefully.

They ask questions in round and won't on point as they want to make the word i believe come from your mouth , they keep creating logically fallacies

Wow!

The old man what thinks is logical. And other thinking is illogical. He can say without any evidence that God created this universe. But when vimoh says there a thing which is half human and half werewolf. Will u believe it. He is saying an illogical question. What is the logic behind the old man's thinking.

Hi this was a very interesting conversation. I don't want to debate but just explore it further. We all know that the physical world is ruled by very strict laws. They are almost mathematical in nature and no one calls mathematics, God. However we don't know the spiritual rules, we don't even know that spiritual rules exist. So we know, that we don't know much about anything or many things. So far God per se is defined differently by different people and has remained elusive to all. But if we understand spiritual rules (if they exist) maybe we can then kind of pinpoint multiversal God. Just a thought.

@vimoh

Жыл бұрын

Sure. If they exist. And their existence has to be demonstrated. If it can't be, then why would we assume they exist.

@dhanaazm7897

Жыл бұрын

@@vimoh so in order to prove spiritual laws we will need to invent some machines to measure them, show them, or for that matter price it's existence. Having said that I am sceptical of scientific rules and laws because in spite of empirical evidence they refuse to accept certain ideas as truth.

@vimoh

Жыл бұрын

@@dhanaazm7897 If you want to come on my live stream and discuss this further, you're most welcome.

@dhanaazm7897

Жыл бұрын

@@vimoh Yes I would love to Vimoh. Let me gather something to talk about what to talk about. Thank you so much for the offer.

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What’s the difference between your imagination and god and how can you tell the difference? There’s no difference.

@nitishpavithran3191

Жыл бұрын

Tell me one thing what is diff btw creator and god

@nitishpavithran3191

Жыл бұрын

Creator is only one quality that god possess. God by religious definitions has more qualities like love, compassion, mercy , judging, anger etc. Can u explain me why an entity with these much qualities won't work as much as with chance of luck for everyone through communication tool called prayer

You seem to be willing to admit both that there is no absolute proof that God exists and that there is no absolute proof of any other explaination as to how creation was formed. The question then becomes what makes you choose one belief over the other?

@vimoh

2 жыл бұрын

My point was that what kind of evidence convinces the theist that there is a god. I have not rejected any evidence because no good evidence has been presented. My position is neither of what you proposed. It is simply 'I don't know'.

@trenton1190

2 жыл бұрын

@@vimoh "Good evidence" is subjective. You reject the evidence you reject because you deem it to be not good, not because there is proof that it is not good. If there were proof that it were not good then it would not be evidence. Me and you are in the same boat, we both admit that we don't know, the difference is that I believe and you do not. Why do you think that is?

@vimoh

2 жыл бұрын

@@trenton1190 Because, as you said, I do not find what you consider evidence, to be convincing. So I reject the claims you make on the basis of it.

@trenton1190

2 жыл бұрын

@@vimoh Then that means either you find evidence that there is no God more convincing, or that you just don't want to believe in God. Mind if I ask you if there is any one evidence in particular that convinces you that there is no God?

@vimoh

2 жыл бұрын

I repeat. I never say there is no god. I say nothing about whether god is possible or not possible. I say 'I don't know'.

I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

@vimoh

2 жыл бұрын

That's not an argument for anything. Let alone an argument against atheism. Atheism is not faith. It is rejection of faith that god exists.

@bharatpenumutchu6487

2 жыл бұрын

Being an atheist is to be rational, because the whole concept of faith (in god) is irrational . Religion is just mental gymnastics conveniently linking random events to an entity no one has seen.

To those who believe, no proof is necessary. To those who don't, no proof is possible Vimoh, stop wasting your time.

@vimoh

2 жыл бұрын

What a pointless comment.

@VishwaneetSingh

2 жыл бұрын

@@vimoh 😁