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@ronmartblogАй бұрын
Bolt shims made a HUGE improvement for my CZ 457 Varmint MTR for both the 22lr and 17HMR barrels. My take from this is that Bergara does a better job at the factory with head-spacing than CZ. Although there’s a lot of voodoo in the world of rimfire, so often what works for one doesn’t for another.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I'm sure it's a floating tolerance. I think they are worth the few bucks someone would spend to optimize a factory barreled action for sure
@wowguy3562Ай бұрын
I feel it's safe to say I have sorted more 22lr ammo than anyone, maybe 20k rounds. Here is the interesting thing I have found, now this is the cheap 3 bucks a box ammo. I can re-measure some ammo, and it appears the rim will give me say 3 different measurements, i.e. - one side of the ammo's rim may be way thicker vs the opposite side, and the measurements are repeatable, its what I call bad ammo. I have found on the low end .0365 rims up to .042 thick rims, I sort out to .0005 lots. Yes, I have more time than money, but it is interesting results for sure. I like the idea of shimming, it makes a lot of sense if you have consistent ammo.
@ffrank7905
Ай бұрын
Absolutely correct. That's what I do, then I measured the head space, subtract the difference in rim thickness, and now you'll know what shim to use. I noticed a difference on my CZ 457.
@pitts3219
Ай бұрын
I want whatever you’re smoking
@sapago4166
Ай бұрын
The only repeatable results from sorting I have ever gotten were from sorting Remington Subsonic by weight. The heaviest ones shot on par with any match ammo I've tried in that rifle. I did the math, and if I want 50 rounds of match quality ammo, it is cheaper to just buy a box of match ammo than it is to buy enough Rem SS to sort out 50 accurate rounds. Sorting is not the answer. I consider my rim thickness gauge to be one of the worst purchases I ever made.
@wowguy3562
Ай бұрын
@@sapago4166 When I sort by rim size, I typically get 6 main sizes of ammo. .0395 .040 .0405 .041 .0415 and .042 With most in the 40 and 41 category. I have a scale, but I haven't used it, it would be way too much work, if I were shooting a match and weighing 150, it may be worthwhile. I totally agree, just buying good ammo is the best answer
@fredshebester-wg4vbАй бұрын
I'd say that was fairly good test. Whether we prove or disprove theory, we continue to learn!
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
They work for sure. But interesting to see it move away from a headspace Lapua shot well and into shooting Eley better.
@Jdelta22ncАй бұрын
Learned something new about shims and rim thickness. Thank you for taking the time to do the leg work, really appreciate it! 🎯🎯🎯
@markbucko7713Ай бұрын
Great clip Josh, thanks for the information. Very helpful.
@Picit-13Ай бұрын
Sweet man, what a surprise!! Thanks Josh!! Guess it is worth a shot screwing around with mine.
@timothystegner3234Ай бұрын
Great job. Can't wait for the next one with the Bergara. Going to get one in the future.
@ron8566Ай бұрын
Good test. Thank you.
@AussieBenchrestShootingАй бұрын
that was very interesting Thank you Josh
@stevehobbs8971Ай бұрын
Interesting! And wow good wasp termination.
@dan_5319Ай бұрын
Just had a headspace challenge with my new 457 Lilja barrel. Moved to a tighter headspace and it is now way less picky! No more split groups across 3 different brands. That said it now hates all the Lapua I just bought for it... so if you end up not keeping this barreled action I could find it a home 🤣
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Hahaha
@P35Ай бұрын
I had similar results with my B14R HB from A&J. I put mine in an MDT XRS chassis with the Trigger Tech Diamond trigger and used the Cortina precision bolt shroud. Mine doesn't shoot SK bad but it really shines with Lapua Center x , Lapua Long Range, Lapua Midas + and RWS R50. I've never tried the bolt shims but mine is not as consistent with the Eley Match.
@ibrahim10910Ай бұрын
Good post. Thanks
@thegunvikingАй бұрын
Very interesting. Maybe I should try this.
@Tidiable105Ай бұрын
Merci pour ta vidéo, thank for the video
@rexmumea4633Ай бұрын
Josh, been following you for a while now....all good stuff, learned alot. Just wanted to let you know about something I stumbled on. E Arthur Brown (EABCO)...has a Stainles barrel for the 457, it's in 24 inch. It's a Winner
@wayneschenk5512Ай бұрын
I’ve done the shim thing but not with the thinner rimmed cases will see how it goes.
@BROTUNEDАй бұрын
Love the bug shot I always do that to when the target presents itself. I’m wondering if mine will have the same results making some ammo shoot worse. I guess I’ll have to find out. Cheers Josh
@joed3264Ай бұрын
Good ignition is more important than headspace. My B14 R has a .043" head space from Bergara. I no longer use any SK ammo. There are always one or two fliers in every box. Eley SABRP is my go to ammo. Zero fliers so far. Bolt shims really improved the accuracy of my CZ 457, along with fixing the firing pin. The 457 has poor ignition. It also likes SABRP.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I think the 457 has one of the best ignitions in the game for the money. I'm not saying every rifle is great but the good examples are right up there with vudoo etc. I shot 30+ shots over the Chrono with my cz and my vudoo. The SD was 5.1 and 5.3 with Eley team.
@joed3264
Ай бұрын
@@PursuitofAccuracy have you trimmed the nose of the firing pin?
@SharpShooterCOАй бұрын
Super interesting stuff... I suppose rim thickness sorting could be a thing to try? 🤔
@wowguy3562
Ай бұрын
In all honesty, with quality ammo, they give you a good product you shouldn't need to sort, but if you use cheap stuff, and have time, it may be worth the while. I can sort a box of 50 in about 4 minutes. I do see less fliers with cheaper ammo for sure after it has been sorted. The equipment I used to measure, bought from the big online shopping site. A Raven Eye Custom shell holder, a Digital indicator with a .5" throw (important not to buy the 1" throw, it will be too big) and a set of indicator tips (the tip used is usually pictured in the lower left of the case, about the size of a pencil eraser) , price is about 26, 27, and 8 dollars respectively, so for a 60 dollar investment you can measure your ammo, look at the frequently bought together for the package combo
@TexasTrainedАй бұрын
My CZ 457 MTR shoots so good I dont need to jack with anything.My Stiller 2500 shoots Lights Out with SK Long Rang Match and Lapua Super Long Range. Ive not had much luck with Eley anything.RWS 5) shoots great at 50 but not too good at 100 yards.
@CasaDeStewartАй бұрын
Josh, How about doing a review of the new Christensen Arms MPR Rimfire? No one seems to have done one as of yet.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I haven't really paid much attention to them. Will reach out and see if we can make it happen
@misterlewgee8874Ай бұрын
To get more significant groups...more shots per group are needed....re hornady...your groups are too small. Perhaps.. Well edited. Very interesting. Keep up the good work. Id be interested to hear thoughts about b14r standard barrel vs heavy barrel... Thanks.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I agree with that. My wallet disagrees however 😂😂😂
@misterlewgee8874
Ай бұрын
@@PursuitofAccuracy I'm in a worse predicament with centre fire....ha.
@MrpocketprospectingАй бұрын
It just appears eley $15 ammo shoots as good as Lapua $20 ammo, less greasy and easier to find, only down fall is Lapua seems to have ammo that has a lower velocity so easier to keep under supersonic, Team eley! 😄
@johnhill3644Ай бұрын
that was very interesting on another note do you have a link for those paper targets thx
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Killough shooting sports sells them. Can't link them per KZread though
@ffrank7905Ай бұрын
Good test Josh..did you check rim thickness before choosing the shim?
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I did it by feel. I close it in til I feel bolt close resistance and back off .002
@beyondtwominutesАй бұрын
How is your bolt drop? Mines a bit rough on my b14r. Slowly getting better. Trying to decide if I want to have my gunsmith work it over or not.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Mine is not bad at all. My other one was really stiff
@bfox87Ай бұрын
👍👍
@mmgeeАй бұрын
I know wind flags are a benchrest thing, but no one has ever won a BR match without flags
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I have one at my bench and one at 100 yards
@bondhedgerАй бұрын
Josh, where are you getting the RWS?
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I've had it for a long time
@TheKaidus25 күн бұрын
Any updates on the b14r heavy barrel?
@PursuitofAccuracy
25 күн бұрын
Haven't had any new ammo come in to test it with yet except some Eley team
@eamieva02Ай бұрын
What is the name of the first video?
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Bergara Takes on Vudoo and Rimx // Bergara B14R Heavy Review Part 1 kzread.info/dash/bejne/poOV09SPXbydqrg.html
@LongRangeOutlawАй бұрын
Is that the standard bolt handle on the B14r? It looks longer.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
It's a different bolt knob. Factory handle
@realtruth4259Ай бұрын
CHASSIS IS XTR??? IF NOT WHAT IS IT THNX
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
XLR, but yeah the envy pro
@SPRINTGTO19 күн бұрын
Link for Part 1 ?
@PursuitofAccuracy
18 күн бұрын
Bergara Takes on Vudoo and Rimx // Bergara B14R Heavy Review Part 1 kzread.info/dash/bejne/poOV09SPXbydqrg.html
@boogermeister1Ай бұрын
Try a shim experiment on a 457, different guns may give different results with shims.
@ericrumpel3105Ай бұрын
.....of all the thousands of videos I have watched over the years aswell as my own experiences,....go CZ or Anschutz & be done with the best, avoid the rest.
@wowguy3562
Ай бұрын
Josh has in my opinion the best rimfire channel on KZread, I have only shot an Annie one time, it impressed me for sure, I own 2 cz's and will never part with them.
@TexasTrained
Ай бұрын
My CZ 457 shoots great.But it cant beat my Stiller 2500 XR but its close
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Problem with that statement is the guys looking for a 700 rem footprint as a trainer for their centerfires. Neither the cz or Annie fill that role
Пікірлер: 63
Bolt shims made a HUGE improvement for my CZ 457 Varmint MTR for both the 22lr and 17HMR barrels. My take from this is that Bergara does a better job at the factory with head-spacing than CZ. Although there’s a lot of voodoo in the world of rimfire, so often what works for one doesn’t for another.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I'm sure it's a floating tolerance. I think they are worth the few bucks someone would spend to optimize a factory barreled action for sure
I feel it's safe to say I have sorted more 22lr ammo than anyone, maybe 20k rounds. Here is the interesting thing I have found, now this is the cheap 3 bucks a box ammo. I can re-measure some ammo, and it appears the rim will give me say 3 different measurements, i.e. - one side of the ammo's rim may be way thicker vs the opposite side, and the measurements are repeatable, its what I call bad ammo. I have found on the low end .0365 rims up to .042 thick rims, I sort out to .0005 lots. Yes, I have more time than money, but it is interesting results for sure. I like the idea of shimming, it makes a lot of sense if you have consistent ammo.
@ffrank7905
Ай бұрын
Absolutely correct. That's what I do, then I measured the head space, subtract the difference in rim thickness, and now you'll know what shim to use. I noticed a difference on my CZ 457.
@pitts3219
Ай бұрын
I want whatever you’re smoking
@sapago4166
Ай бұрын
The only repeatable results from sorting I have ever gotten were from sorting Remington Subsonic by weight. The heaviest ones shot on par with any match ammo I've tried in that rifle. I did the math, and if I want 50 rounds of match quality ammo, it is cheaper to just buy a box of match ammo than it is to buy enough Rem SS to sort out 50 accurate rounds. Sorting is not the answer. I consider my rim thickness gauge to be one of the worst purchases I ever made.
@wowguy3562
Ай бұрын
@@sapago4166 When I sort by rim size, I typically get 6 main sizes of ammo. .0395 .040 .0405 .041 .0415 and .042 With most in the 40 and 41 category. I have a scale, but I haven't used it, it would be way too much work, if I were shooting a match and weighing 150, it may be worthwhile. I totally agree, just buying good ammo is the best answer
I'd say that was fairly good test. Whether we prove or disprove theory, we continue to learn!
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
They work for sure. But interesting to see it move away from a headspace Lapua shot well and into shooting Eley better.
Learned something new about shims and rim thickness. Thank you for taking the time to do the leg work, really appreciate it! 🎯🎯🎯
Great clip Josh, thanks for the information. Very helpful.
Sweet man, what a surprise!! Thanks Josh!! Guess it is worth a shot screwing around with mine.
Great job. Can't wait for the next one with the Bergara. Going to get one in the future.
Good test. Thank you.
that was very interesting Thank you Josh
Interesting! And wow good wasp termination.
Just had a headspace challenge with my new 457 Lilja barrel. Moved to a tighter headspace and it is now way less picky! No more split groups across 3 different brands. That said it now hates all the Lapua I just bought for it... so if you end up not keeping this barreled action I could find it a home 🤣
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Hahaha
I had similar results with my B14R HB from A&J. I put mine in an MDT XRS chassis with the Trigger Tech Diamond trigger and used the Cortina precision bolt shroud. Mine doesn't shoot SK bad but it really shines with Lapua Center x , Lapua Long Range, Lapua Midas + and RWS R50. I've never tried the bolt shims but mine is not as consistent with the Eley Match.
Good post. Thanks
Very interesting. Maybe I should try this.
Merci pour ta vidéo, thank for the video
Josh, been following you for a while now....all good stuff, learned alot. Just wanted to let you know about something I stumbled on. E Arthur Brown (EABCO)...has a Stainles barrel for the 457, it's in 24 inch. It's a Winner
I’ve done the shim thing but not with the thinner rimmed cases will see how it goes.
Love the bug shot I always do that to when the target presents itself. I’m wondering if mine will have the same results making some ammo shoot worse. I guess I’ll have to find out. Cheers Josh
Good ignition is more important than headspace. My B14 R has a .043" head space from Bergara. I no longer use any SK ammo. There are always one or two fliers in every box. Eley SABRP is my go to ammo. Zero fliers so far. Bolt shims really improved the accuracy of my CZ 457, along with fixing the firing pin. The 457 has poor ignition. It also likes SABRP.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I think the 457 has one of the best ignitions in the game for the money. I'm not saying every rifle is great but the good examples are right up there with vudoo etc. I shot 30+ shots over the Chrono with my cz and my vudoo. The SD was 5.1 and 5.3 with Eley team.
@joed3264
Ай бұрын
@@PursuitofAccuracy have you trimmed the nose of the firing pin?
Super interesting stuff... I suppose rim thickness sorting could be a thing to try? 🤔
@wowguy3562
Ай бұрын
In all honesty, with quality ammo, they give you a good product you shouldn't need to sort, but if you use cheap stuff, and have time, it may be worth the while. I can sort a box of 50 in about 4 minutes. I do see less fliers with cheaper ammo for sure after it has been sorted. The equipment I used to measure, bought from the big online shopping site. A Raven Eye Custom shell holder, a Digital indicator with a .5" throw (important not to buy the 1" throw, it will be too big) and a set of indicator tips (the tip used is usually pictured in the lower left of the case, about the size of a pencil eraser) , price is about 26, 27, and 8 dollars respectively, so for a 60 dollar investment you can measure your ammo, look at the frequently bought together for the package combo
My CZ 457 MTR shoots so good I dont need to jack with anything.My Stiller 2500 shoots Lights Out with SK Long Rang Match and Lapua Super Long Range. Ive not had much luck with Eley anything.RWS 5) shoots great at 50 but not too good at 100 yards.
Josh, How about doing a review of the new Christensen Arms MPR Rimfire? No one seems to have done one as of yet.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I haven't really paid much attention to them. Will reach out and see if we can make it happen
To get more significant groups...more shots per group are needed....re hornady...your groups are too small. Perhaps.. Well edited. Very interesting. Keep up the good work. Id be interested to hear thoughts about b14r standard barrel vs heavy barrel... Thanks.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I agree with that. My wallet disagrees however 😂😂😂
@misterlewgee8874
Ай бұрын
@@PursuitofAccuracy I'm in a worse predicament with centre fire....ha.
It just appears eley $15 ammo shoots as good as Lapua $20 ammo, less greasy and easier to find, only down fall is Lapua seems to have ammo that has a lower velocity so easier to keep under supersonic, Team eley! 😄
that was very interesting on another note do you have a link for those paper targets thx
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Killough shooting sports sells them. Can't link them per KZread though
Good test Josh..did you check rim thickness before choosing the shim?
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I did it by feel. I close it in til I feel bolt close resistance and back off .002
How is your bolt drop? Mines a bit rough on my b14r. Slowly getting better. Trying to decide if I want to have my gunsmith work it over or not.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Mine is not bad at all. My other one was really stiff
👍👍
I know wind flags are a benchrest thing, but no one has ever won a BR match without flags
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I have one at my bench and one at 100 yards
Josh, where are you getting the RWS?
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
I've had it for a long time
Any updates on the b14r heavy barrel?
@PursuitofAccuracy
25 күн бұрын
Haven't had any new ammo come in to test it with yet except some Eley team
What is the name of the first video?
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Bergara Takes on Vudoo and Rimx // Bergara B14R Heavy Review Part 1 kzread.info/dash/bejne/poOV09SPXbydqrg.html
Is that the standard bolt handle on the B14r? It looks longer.
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
It's a different bolt knob. Factory handle
CHASSIS IS XTR??? IF NOT WHAT IS IT THNX
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
XLR, but yeah the envy pro
Link for Part 1 ?
@PursuitofAccuracy
18 күн бұрын
Bergara Takes on Vudoo and Rimx // Bergara B14R Heavy Review Part 1 kzread.info/dash/bejne/poOV09SPXbydqrg.html
Try a shim experiment on a 457, different guns may give different results with shims.
.....of all the thousands of videos I have watched over the years aswell as my own experiences,....go CZ or Anschutz & be done with the best, avoid the rest.
@wowguy3562
Ай бұрын
Josh has in my opinion the best rimfire channel on KZread, I have only shot an Annie one time, it impressed me for sure, I own 2 cz's and will never part with them.
@TexasTrained
Ай бұрын
My CZ 457 shoots great.But it cant beat my Stiller 2500 XR but its close
@PursuitofAccuracy
Ай бұрын
Problem with that statement is the guys looking for a 700 rem footprint as a trainer for their centerfires. Neither the cz or Annie fill that role