I wish more Space Games would use realistic physics.

@freakdawg8109

23 күн бұрын

do we really know what realistic means? its space and we as humans have not even scratched the surface on space travel

@MagicManICT

21 күн бұрын

@@freakdawg8109 We actually do, short of finding exotic matter to create artificial gravity wells. What you see in Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Elite, EVE, Star Citizen, etc etc etc are all pure fantasy. Some do better at approaching real physics, but all have some artificial magic added in.

@jonathanoriley8260

20 күн бұрын

​@@freakdawg8109 Literally just The Expanse.

@justindixon7441

20 күн бұрын

@@jonathanoriley8260 Nah, Expanse uses the Epstein drive which has no chance of being real as described.

@SledTillDead

20 күн бұрын

@@freakdawg8109 Dude we've sent probes to Saturn's moon Titan's surface. Of course we know.

One of the things I really like about Elite Dangerous is that it offers a single player mode and you can switch back and forth. I get sick of trying to do a mission or learn a new ship only to have some PK lowlife fly in and blast you for the fun of it, especially when you are just learning how to play. It is one reason why I dumped Star Citizen. Sometimes you just want to relax and enjoy the game without worrying about immature players. This looks pretty good.

@LTGamingYoutube

26 күн бұрын

Star Citizen that can become a real problem. Sometimes peoples desire to pirate isn't so fun for me and my expensive cargo! Glad you like the look of this game :)

@peterd9698

25 күн бұрын

Ah I didn't know that. Maybe I would have picked it up during the recent steam special.

@Michaelclayton283

25 күн бұрын

I agree. I recently gave up on star citizen and returned to elite. They really don't know what they are doing at star citizen. Love the smooth gameplay, sounds, music, and visuals of elite. I hope this one turns out well. We need more space sims that work.

@sidrat2009

25 күн бұрын

Star Citizen is unlikely to be a completely PvP game once there are more systems to play in. Sure in some areas there will be a higher risk but PvP is unlikely to be a main focus simply because of the risk vs reward and the reputation system. It's going to be fascinating to see it develop once real players get their hands on the mechanics of Star Citizen especially when we are able to travel to Pyro & other systems.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

@@sidrat2009 yeah and don't get me wrong I've played a lot of Star Citizen and will be jumping back in at 3.23! 🚀

3:33 I love seeing the radiators! Surefire sign of a game that truly cares about the physics of spaceflight.

@Swooper86

15 күн бұрын

Would be great if they have actual heat mechanics and the radiators aren't just there for show.

Any sort of more realistic space sim has me hooked. I like realistic flight models where flying is truly skilful (see Flight of Nova), and a more ‘Expanse style’ game would really work for me. I just wish Elite Dangerous had been heavily invested in and a sequel was being developed, because that’s where the true potential is for the genre. The Daddy of space sims shouldn’t die out in the way it currently is.

@getsideways7257

8 күн бұрын

It's not "more realistic" - it's just the same old "space dogfighting game", but with Asteroids' "Newtonian physics". Since you mentioned Flight of Nova, there is a chance you'd enjoy Orbiter. And if you are still interested in space combat sims, you need to give Children of a Dead Earth a try.

Realistic space physics 🔥🔥🔥 I’m sold already

As a Terminus veteran, one of the first PC gams to truly nail newtonian physics flight, I am looking forward to this.

3:21 that looks straight out of The Expanse… even the same font? Cool.

Sounds like I finally get to live my BSG viper fantasy. Everspace did an ok job of giving access to all of the dimensions of travel, I’d be very interested in that concept taken away from arcade style and more towards a sim.

This game with Newtonian physics and an expanse atmosphere looks fantastic. I’ll certainly buy it when it comes out.

This could be the VTOL-VR of space games if it supported VR.

Flight model seems like Decoupled Mode in SC, probably can fly really well right away for me

@Jezato

25 күн бұрын

Was thinking the same thing.

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

You are right, there's very little realism in that - still the same old Elite 2/Elite 3 type of a game. Sprinkling a space game with some Newtonian mechanics does not automatically promote it to a "space sim". Oftentimes even having orbital mechanics added does not help with that either.

@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa

17 күн бұрын

@@getsideways7257 they do not have "drag" in space like Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous, you can go way faster (they may have a speed limit of something like 50Km/s or something like that because of technical limitations or past that point it becomes impossible for players to aim and shoot at anything with mouse and keyboards or joystick, but anyway this is much much more than the 400+ m/s of Elite Dangerous for example, and enough to have a authentic space "flight" experience) and engagements occur in a distance far greater that the typical WWII in space of Star Wars or Battlestar Galattica that those games are trying to recreate. You also have to account for limited fuel in your burns to change your delta v, your ship doesn't have infinity fuel (Star Citizen and Elite fuel consumption is basically only relevant for FTL flight).

@getsideways7257

15 күн бұрын

​@@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa Elite 2 and Elite 3 (the Frontier games) had no speed limit either, and that was all the way back in the '90s. Also, it was probably the first games where lasers worked pretty much like lasers, and you could actually man a turret. Still does not make it much of a sim. By the way, there is even a remake available - look up FFED3DAJ. Now, try Children of a Dead Earth, on the other hand, and you'll see what an actual space combat sim should be closer to.

@Dr.Kryptanical

11 күн бұрын

@@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa they changes star citizen's flight system alot of that drag you mentioned is gone unless of course your coupled that's just automatic engine decelerations all in all the flight is starting to feel more realistic while balancing arcade like options the combat flight has been slowed down in the master modes now with a focus on accuracy and acrobatics rather than high speed jousting since they intend for group strategy to take a dominating role rather than a single fighter taking out multiple ships one at a time, it does mean solo play is gonna suffer but they want it to bring players together! and shields have been removed while out of combat so ofc it's not gonna have that star trek feel where you can move really fast while the shields are up that is just gone they've done it to make people think twice about running away Nav and quantum mode is 0 shields now! I can't say much for many other ships but I've tried my Syulen, the Avenger Titan and the Cutlass Red and they all move far smoother and more agile than they used to it feels responsive! This game reminds me of seeing clips of star citizen cockpit and HUD's during early development when people could only visit their hangars.... but I'm assuming they're taking the traditional design philosophy of "make it play good and then make it look better with polish when the core game mechanics and features are complete" which sometimes I wish CIG would of followed but I don't think SC would be what it is had it done that... as for ITB I hope we see it flesh out into it's own style and unique play! but I will say it is close to decoupled I've found myself flung past space stations with the decoupled on too and having to manually compensate swinging myself around into a 180 and thrusting in the opposite direction it's satisfying don't let other peoples footage of SC fool you theres physics it's just some people are show offs and can make it look non newtonian with the moves they pull!

The fact that some of them worked on Mechwarrior 2 Is very interesting!

Thanks for this! Looks like quite a gem.

This looks incredible and the realistic Expanse style vibe is really something I have been looking for! Will check this out and keep an eye on progress :)

@LTGamingYoutube

26 күн бұрын

All you can do at the moment but one to keep an eye on! :)

Game looks solid! Fell in love with the Expanse series and this looks very similar so following on steam and hopefully I can test it out sometime soon, thanks for sharing!

oooo this looks fantastic! I love the recent resurgence in indie space titles- there was a long drought of them after having so many heavy sci-fi titles through the 80s and 90s. Thanks for sharing!

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 🚀

so essentially it is a combat sim. Flight model is pretty much the same as non-assisted mode in many games starting from space engineers from what I can tell; although the degree of fidelity depends from how well the gravitational pull is simulated... One thing is to make everything mass-less and just slap thrusters on a ship, another is to simulate mass and gravitational pulls of different objects and interactions among objects, which is something very few games do because it is quite computationally intensive (and most players can't even tell the difference). Play something like Kerbal or Juno or Orbital and you can see what I mean

@marsmotion

20 күн бұрын

adding some kind of visual overlays for the electric/gravity fields so players can use those would be necessary.

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

Orbiter you mean? Glad you mentioned it, since it's the only true sim out there. As far as combat space sims go, you absolutely have to be aware of Children of a Dead Earth.

@fcf8269

13 күн бұрын

@@getsideways7257 Right, Orbiter. there is also another game in early access where you do missions transporting stuff from the planet to orbit; forgot the name but was heavily based on newtonian physics

@getsideways7257

12 күн бұрын

@@fcf8269 Flight of Nova? It's a mixed bag for me, honestly. Even though it turned to be much less of an arcade I thought it was, I still much prefer Orbiter - the XR2 vessel in particular. And even visually it still manages to convey a better feeling of scale than Flight of Nova - I just don't see that as a full-sized planet at all for some reason despite a much more modern graphics engine.

@fcf8269

10 күн бұрын

@@getsideways7257 Yep, I found that entertaining, although not a sim per se; as Orbiter is way more complex. I think the draw for me is the "novelty" most of all. There is so little new things in the area of real flight sims in space....

Elite Dangerous 'Flight Assist' OFF flight mechanics. Looks pretty good, and a fair assessment from you.

@LTGamingYoutube

26 күн бұрын

Appreciated! It does take a little getting used too but is a lot of fun.

@kl0wnkiller912

26 күн бұрын

Are you old enough to remember Wing Commander? Newtonian Physics were fun in that one too.

@LTGamingYoutube

26 күн бұрын

@@kl0wnkiller912 I own it 🚀 need to play them again. Showing my age 😂 though would of been a little before my time!

@robdead4550

26 күн бұрын

@@kl0wnkiller912 Only played 3 and 4 when my dad got a PC up to the task. I was a Spectrum 48k boi back then.

@DavidWessman

25 күн бұрын

@@kl0wnkiller912 Wing Commander did not feature Newtonian physics. The core game engine was based on Battlehawks 1942, a WWII flight sim. Chris Roberts himself bragged to Larry Holland about reverse engineering B1942 to create Wing Commander.

Awesome you featured this

@LTGamingYoutube

26 күн бұрын

You would really like this!

Yes I want *MORE* of this! :D

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 🚀

FYI - this was originally called "STARFIGHTER INC" by Impeller Studios, and kickstarter funded. I am a backer and patiently waiting on this one ;)

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Yeah it's been around awhile it seems! Looking forward to more 🚀

@GarrisIiari

25 күн бұрын

I was coming here to write the same things. I think I might have backed it as well, I don't remember at this point. How long has it been? Six or seven years since it was announced?

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

@@GarrisIiari yeah some commenters have got excited with me because I suggest they push a little. They don't get the history of the project!

@flare242

23 күн бұрын

Oh wow, i completely forgot about that one. That has been WAAAY back...

@DavidWessman

22 күн бұрын

@@GarrisIiari Our KS campaign ended in 2017. All backers received keys in 2018. We thought we would be going into early access soon after, but there were rule changes from Steam, PayPal, and Kickstarter that got in the way. We've been improving the game this entire time, most notably in the addition of a lot of single-player content and two new ships. The main hurdle for Early Access is that we want to ensure a better multiplayer experience and for that we need to implement dedicated server and that has proven to be quite challenging.

Looks good but I don't think it needs to be put out in early access too early. I hope they get it polished up well before releasing it.

@vladcrow4225

23 күн бұрын

It was a literal garbage back in beta. It remains it now.

Thank you so much for this!

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Most Welcome! 🚀

It has strong Independence War 2: Edge of Chaos vibes. If you haven't played that you should get it. It is only 3 bucks in GOG.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

I bought it awhile back! Haven't got around to it yet 🚀

ITB has been on my wishlist for years. Looks like it's come a long way, and I can't wait for EA impressions. In terms of realistic flight/atmosphere/immersion, it looks in a similar vein to games like Nebulous Fleet Command and House of the Dying Sun. Really cool stuff.

Holy shit....this looks awesome.

I'm sold already, they need to hurry with this!

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

🚀🚀🚀🚀

I'm excited for this! As much as I've always wanted realistic spaceflight in a space combat game, my only worry is that too much realism might make the game unfun. I have this image of the meta just being to accelerate for an attack run and whizzing by at 10 km/s and repeating if there is no max speed limit.

The way you described the game, it sounds like modern day indie Evochron Mercenary

It looks about as realistic as Asteroids in 3D. It looks like fun with some interesting tactics. But I wonder how a more realistic space battel game with kerbal-like orbital mechanics would be like. If you were dogfighting in orbit, you would be constantly worried about falling into the atmosphere or crashing into a Starlink satellite.

I'm really skeptical of this one. Originally they were saying in their Kickstarter that it would be released in 2018 with an alpha in 2017. There's a pinned Tweet from them saying Early Access is about to come out... which is 18 months old. I hope I'm wrong as the game looks great, but they have shown themsleves repeatedly to not be credible. I'd be totally shocked at this point if this game ever comes out.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

I saw the history to this and have implored them to go ahead and get it in the hands of the players. There is a playable product here for sure. I do understand that game development takes a really long time also. But ultimately the team have the message... get this into EA 🚀

@DavidWessman

25 күн бұрын

@@LTGamingKZread I can assure you that no one is more frustrated about this than the devs. We are a very small team of unpaid part-time developers. Jack and I have full-time day jobs (which allows us to work on this for no pay). To be fair, we did a pretty good job of fulfilling our Kickstarter campaign. The backers all received keys in 2018, and since then the game has been updated and expanded well beyond what the campaign promised. The main obstacle right now is implementing a robust dedicated server feature. We discovered issues in how the backend architecture was implemented that have been very difficult to resolve. We want to ensure a stable multiplayer experience so that the EA goes well. Another issue was that the company we partnered with for in-game feedback went out of business and we need a new solution for that as well.

@GarrisIiari

25 күн бұрын

I remember reading some coverage of this a long time ago suggesting a problem they were having was how to make this both realistic and fun. This is a problem that has bedeviled every space Sim since multiplayer became a thing with X-Wing versus TIE fighter. How do you make a Newtonian physics game that is essentially just turn aim shoot, turn aim shoot, over and over where your battle is more against control than it is shooting the other person? The brilliance I-War I think that's the only one to really nail it and be fun while I felt the sequel, trying to translate the same idea into a small fighter as this game tries to do, lost the same feel. It is challenging, and I wish them well getting it right!

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

@@GarrisIiari super comment and very good observations about the challenge here. You nailed it 🚀

@jakejewkes6688

20 күн бұрын

Homie have you not heard of the legendary cash cow Chris Robert’s??

Hadn't heard of this one, but it looks great! Add it to the list with Alliance Space Guard, Rogue System, Starship Simulator, and Flight of Nova for upcoming hardcore space sims that promise realism and actually excite me!

Looks like very promising game!

yooooooo Endless Space 2 OST recognized, I instant subscribe to your channel, even though I've only seen 10sec of the video.

@LTGamingYoutube

4 күн бұрын

I think that's a good thing! lol

@spino9993

4 күн бұрын

​@@LTGamingKZread yea, Endless Space 2 is just a masterpiece, I think it's such a shame that today it's fallen into total oblivion, this 4X is just excellent and since the redesign of the Awekening dlc the game is simply addictive no matter what faction you choose. ho also I've just watched a few videos on your channel, the content is just incredible and thanks to you I've discovered games that can very quickly become my main games, without your channel I wouldn't have discovered some of these gems, keep it up.

I am not a fan of pushing studios into early access, but thank you for your look into this. Wishlisted, and will happily buy when the dev says its good and ready.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

I encouraged them not pushed them. They know what they are doing 😉

Ksp players be slayin at this game

I kickstated age's ago, I thought it was dead. Glad to see it's not 😊

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

They must be close from what I've played 🚀

@stageselectca

24 күн бұрын

Same. I got kicked from the discord for asking questions about VR

dev gave me a key a long time ago to try out was a cool guy, ill def be picking this up

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Very nice team!

I like the clunkier, more industrial ship designs, focused on a more realistic appearance, than on looks. Definitely wanna see more. If they find a way to get around the griefers, I am really tempted.🙂

So not WW2 in space? I’m in!

Helium Rain yepp was typing just as u mentioned the title

Wow, thanks for this. Had no idea it exists, because Steam recommendations are mostly completely useles.. Subscribing!

@LTGamingYoutube

22 күн бұрын

Appreciated!

Hope it’s steam deck compatible even to a hassle to set up level. I love free space, the entire x series etc on the steam deck. Just wish there was a fast pace space flight sim akin to house of the dying sun with much more depth. The decoupled flight in this game looks fantastic

the endless space 2 track caught me off guard

@LTGamingYoutube

11 күн бұрын

Really good track!

Remember me I-War for realistic Physics (1997)

This sounds really fun. I've been recently more and more frustrated by Star Citizen moving into arcade levels of physics, obviously you can't compare the engine considering SC is the second most expensive game in history, but I think I'll play less AAA games because those pretty much always have more soul and design integrity.

@Spelljammer1

25 күн бұрын

what's the most expensive game in history, GTA V?

@Tentacl

25 күн бұрын

@@Spelljammer1 Genshin Impact. Now cry alongside all us who understand how bad this is.

This looks fantastic especially as I always turn off any nanny systems in simulator games. Space engineers and elite dangerous combat is a lot of fun when you take advantage of inertia.

Does this seem it would more a simulation than a game? I'd be curious if they have full HOTAS and TrackIR support for full immersion. Looks great though I've played Elite Dangerous on and off for a few years and have a big love for the expanse, this looks promising for sure.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

I know it has HOTAS but mine was out of action during my playtime. Track IR would be awesome. Il check 🚀

@DavidWessman

25 күн бұрын

@@LTGamingKZread We haven't done anything specific to support Track IR, but I believe some players have set it up through the control customization feature.

This game has been in development hell for almost a decade now.

Reminds me of Starshatter: The Gathering Storm. You start with a fighter and then make your way up to the big ships through a singleplayer campaign!

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

I need to check this one out 🚀

I really wanted an "EXPANSE" inspired space sim, without fantasy shielding and the like. Would be really, and I mean REALLY great if they implemented a WarThunder type of damage model where bullets just go through the craft and damage certain parts and you have to adapt and fly with the damages and survive.

@hobog

4 күн бұрын

You should check out Children of a Dead Earth

@Natsukashii-Records

4 күн бұрын

@@hobog Thanks for the recommendation, didn't know about that game at all. Though it seems more strategy than action so still not exactly what I had in mind. Plus the ships seem like what we'd be making today rather than futuristic ones like the ones in expanse. Still I'll certainly play it.

Another cock on review … good to see intelligent input coming through from the gamers too… the clear blue water gap between LTG and other toobers gets ever wider

You could actually enable newtonian physics based flight mechanics in Freelancer back in the day, so it's nothing new, but it sure is fun and i hope they keep developing this game and bring it to early access on Steam, or perhaps do registrations for alpha keys and beta keys.

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

And Elite 2 had that back in '93 enabled by default.

They need a “wireframe tunnel” on the hud that shows you where you would go if you don’t do a burn

@withoutstickers

11 күн бұрын

Looks like they already have a prograde vector indicator, which is all you really need

Hey LT! Great video about ITB! as for creating a getting a match together, Id be happy to do one alongside you for sure

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Hey dude! 100% would be a lot of fun 🚀🚀

@DavidWessman

25 күн бұрын

@@LTGamingKZread Count me in as well!

Hey, Im in search of coop space sims and would really love some recomendation! love you videos with recomendation and I think top of your multiplayer spacesim recomendations would be a nice video

@LTGamingYoutube

23 күн бұрын

Can take a look into it! Thanks for the kind words :)

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

I don't know if this is a recommendation you were looking for, but if you want a proper combat space sim showing what orbital warfare could look like in a few decades from now, try Children of a Dead Earth.

Indie flight game with mercenary pilot against impossible odds? Say no more we're fucking here.

Need more space sims that support hotas.

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

Those are arcades. You don't ask submarine sims to support HOTAS, do you? And space is not about "planes flying in zero-g"

@nightrain472

18 күн бұрын

​@@getsideways7257 Elite Dangerous is quite fun with Hotas. I would like to see more of that. My opinion that is all.

When I think of "realistic space combat", I tend to think of being in a paranoid submarine and freaking out when the fuel tank suddenly starts boiling because some asshole .5 light seconds away figured out my course and aimed a laser at me. This seems more like newtonian airplanes in space.

Pure manual flight control? That's pretty cool of course :D but I'd hope there's at least some degree of flight assist, letting players other than spaceflight fans enjoy this good game more.

@DavidWessman

24 күн бұрын

There is indeed some flight assist. These are turned on by default. They are a rotational dampener and a translational dampener. They work to make the ship go where you point it (assuming your are applying thrust). They can be toggled off / on independently.

I've been wanting a newtonian space combat sim since i played i-war and i-war2

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it :)

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

Space combat game, you mean. Space is much more than just free floating and spinning while applying your thrusters in all directions to correct that.

@BrokenGauge

11 күн бұрын

​@@getsideways7257 I meant what I said to differentiate from other "space combat" games that don't utilize Newtonian physics like freespace, tachyon, freelancer, etc....

@getsideways7257

10 күн бұрын

@@BrokenGauge Asteroids also has Newtonian physics, but it's still Asteroids. What people should realize is that orbital mechanics makes a space sim - not "Newtonian physics". In fact, the latter is even easier to implement than atmospheric flight. Also, a proper space combat sim is more of Scorched Earth than it is Asteroids, because you'd be busy hitting anything from NAVAL distances with TURRETS (and missiles) all the while accounting for orbital motion rather than dogfighting other "planes in space" from just a few clicks while keeping the nose on the predicted point while free-floating in a pretty cramped volume of nothing. Give Children of a Dead Earth a try and you'll realize just how wrong all these other space games are in portraying space combat.

Please say they support VR?

Fly By Wire. AI-controlled thrusters. Etc. My bet: Star Wars type flying will be entirely possible in 200 or so years. The only thing you really need to consider is to keep the manoeuvres such that any living thing inside the cockpit doesn't get squished by the G-forces at play. But then, there's probably advanced life support systems and suits for that in 200 years as well.

Damn I wish I had a good pc ! I love space sims and there are so many cool space sims on pc ! I only have console and so far my favorite space sim is elite dangerous because it’s the only space sim we got on consoles ! I wish they companies would bring these awesome sims to console !

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

Please don't call them sims - they are not even remotely that. Want a space sim? Check Orbiter. I think your PC would be perfectly fine running it too. If you want combat, check Children of a Dead Earth - that's the only combat space SIM out there.

Looks a lot like one of the X games (X4:Foundations etc.) with Flight assist off and limited to a single ship and no economy. I'll keep an eye on it, but I'm not sure yet. Newtonian physics is always something where I am wondering wether realism vs. enjoyment hits the right balance.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

I enjoyed it!

@MrNorker77

25 күн бұрын

@@LTGamingKZread That's definetly a plus in my book.

@GarrisIiari

25 күн бұрын

Quite right. Add to that the fact that space is not a super compelling environment. It's empty, with no obstacles and no places to hide, making it very different from, say, an FPS. This is why some other titles fill space with asteroids and the like or invent alternative assist flight models for WWII style air combat.

@DavidWessman

20 күн бұрын

@@GarrisIiari We address this with large space stations and setting some battlespaces above the surface of moons. Enceladus is featured in some, and Iapetus is coming next. There are so many interesting moons we want to use!

The flight characteristics are reminiscent of Babylon Five.... I am looking forward to this being a main game on Steam.

Compare with "Infinity: Battlescape"! The ultimate Expanse style sim is still "Children of a Dead Earth"

Not an Expanse sim. That is a crewed ship with multiple stations.

@TheViperMan

25 күн бұрын

Every game with newton laws dynamics is being referred to as an Expanse sim :)

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Expanse style....clue is in the name 😉

@DavidWessman

24 күн бұрын

@@LTGamingKZread We require that all team members watch The Expanse!

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

@@DavidWessman I can't see that helping... Would be much better if you guys tried Children of a Dead Earth - it's basically The Expanse with almost current day tech and without all the fantasy BS. With mods you can even use nuclear fusion if that's what you fancy.

reminds me of star citizen :)

i alreaddy forsee incredible modding and mods comming to this game.

Infinity War 3-esque

Space sims with "momentum" flight models will always remind me of *Allegiance (2000)* which was a sim/RTS hybrid. Not sure if people are still playing Free Allegiance (the F2P release) nowadays, but they might. Microsoft released the source code quite a while ago, and players were managing releases for quite a while from what I saw when I checked up on it several years back. I'm not really strongly recommending the game (it was fun, unique, and quite deep for its time, but not really "worth playing 24 years later" deep), as I certainly ended up playing *Natural Selection (2002)* far longer (not a space sim, just a very deep FPS/RTS hybrid).

X3, X4, and Elite Dangerous all put the correct space turn physics into gaming long ago.

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

It's not a "correct space turn physics", but just Newtonian mechanics - even Frontier: Elite II already had that 30+ years ago.

@OGSomeOne

19 күн бұрын

@getsideways7257 I was speaking plain speak for non geek. Heh. I worked for a company whose job was to photograph and laser grid the payload bay of the shuttles. 2 mm of shift could throw the course off.

@getsideways7257

15 күн бұрын

@@OGSomeOne Then I'm puzzled why you mentioned those games, but forgot about the Frontier ones.

@OGSomeOne

14 күн бұрын

@@getsideways7257 Perhaps because 30 years ago, I didn't time for more than one game. Working kind of does that. Steal your free time :D And let's not forget, 30 years ago, AoL was the internet carrier of choice and there were not a whole lot of games being broadcast to the levels of today.

Why would you push for a fast alpha release if it’s not ready? A bad launch isn’t easy to recover from.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

Early Access has been floated as an idea for awhile. But not pushing anyone. Just be good to see it out.

The term for the arcady flight model is 'submarine physics' which I sometimes find annoying.

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

Ironically, sub sims require vastly more brain power than this glittering "space pew-pew" BS even with Newtonian physics on top.

Take me out to the black. Tell them im not coming back....

Better combat and flight physics than a certain other game that's garnered 100's of millions and is 10 years in development.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

I think I know what game you are referring too 😂

If you're a fan of space combat you should check out the Starcore Community of Space Engineers

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

Been wondering about the recent trends in SE, but was too lazy to check what's going on there. Could it be already close to "Children of a Dead Earth from the bridge"? Or at least CoaDE with The Expanse tech from the bridge.

@NateDawgHMK

18 күн бұрын

@@getsideways7257 sort of, its not as sophisticated of a space sim as that but has better graphics and can obviously be played from a 1st or 3rd person perspective so you get the feeling of being on a big ship in space. The vanilla game is also more a tech demo than a real game so its essential to play it modded. There are some great servers out there though and I mainly play it with a group in a more competitive environment on modded servers.

@getsideways7257

15 күн бұрын

@@NateDawgHMK Well, I do have SE (got it probably right after it was released - along with ME) and played it a little, so I have a general idea of what it is. But recently I started noticing videos where it was apparently turned into a semblance of The Expanse, so I was wondering how serious that total modification is (or whatever that is called).

@NateDawgHMK

13 күн бұрын

@@getsideways7257 oh the game completely changes with modification. You’ve probably seen videos from the server themed after the expanse. I believe it’s one of the more popular modded servers around right now

the biggest issue with all space flight games except for kerbal is that travelling in space just isnt that fun... its why everyone eventually goes for a arcade approach

Wow a space game that Obsidianant missed?

So, Independence War prequel.

I've played space engineers I think I'm good on space combat experience

Will it be online? a bit like elite dangerous?

Please, make it Deck compatible!

looks like a better looking Evochron.

Swag 😎

This feels quite nothing like the Expanse mate, as it's got fighters. Instant red flag. If it was suitably like the Expanse, you'd have larger ships, like the Rocinante, as the baseline. Smaller ships like a Razorback wouldn't really have much for weapons. Basically all the combat would still mostly just go in straight lines and cover long, multi-million-km trajectories through space as they race away under thrust and the whole dynamic would come down to the human ability to handle extended G-forces, and decisions to maneuver vs accelerate and where that means a torpedo or slug up the drivecone. This looks like a promising space fighter game on is own merits tho. And having more realistic inertial physics is indeed a great plus.

BLOODWAKE!

Is there a speed limit in space? This is where most space games fck it up. Space engineers, Elite Dangerous, etc. You can drift, but you have a ridiculously low top speed. In space, as long as you keep burning, you keep accelerating. "Speed" doesn't really matter, only delta V which is the difference in thrust required to chance speed relative to an object. So delta V to match speed with a space station would be different from matching speed with a ship traveling nearby, and different from landing on a planet, etc. I have never seen a game that actually got this right. KSP is by far the closest, though it still has some issues when landing on planets with atmosphere.

@jackmamais

20 күн бұрын

Some of the starter ships have a top speed but its unlimited to higher level ships (although if you go to fast, you will leave the map eventually)

@getsideways7257

19 күн бұрын

KSP? Ever heard of Orbiter or Children of a Dead Earth?

@K162KingPin

19 күн бұрын

@@getsideways7257 Nope. I'll have to look into them. Does your ? after KSP mean you have not heard of it? If you haven't, look into it, and find it interesting, I highly recommend only going for the original. KSP 2 seems to be nothing more than a cash grab relying on the stellar reputation of KSP 1. I don't think they were even made by the same developer.

@getsideways7257

15 күн бұрын

@@K162KingPin It's just that you said it was "by far the closest", so I'd highly recommend to take a look at the games I mentioned above - especially Orbiter. There's also a sim called Reentry you might want to give a go as well. I like the idea behind KSP, but sadly it's ruined by the realization - not to mention the physics is more on the 'lite' side compared to Orbiter.

Orbital mechanics?

@DavidWessman

20 күн бұрын

No. Combat engagements are typically only 10-20 minutes and take place in a battlespace that is 20-80 kms across. The ships are powered by closed cycle gas core nuclear reactors, so they have enough power to ignore orbital mechanics (in this context). We are simulating gravity, though, so if you are flying close to the surface of a large enough moon (Enceladus, for example), you have to be careful.

Quck, someone buy Chris Roberts a copy of this game!!!!! ....also, no missiles? I perked up at the mention of MW2 but this needs missiles and a solid single player game or pve....because I could care less about pvp in space games.

@LTGamingYoutube

19 күн бұрын

Missiles are in game!

I'll still prefer X4 after watching this.

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

X4 is awesome!

It looks like all bugs. What are all the flashes?

is there VR for this game?

@LTGamingYoutube

25 күн бұрын

I will get back to you. Not in the build I have played 🚀

@dantemanueledesantis2128

22 күн бұрын

@@LTGamingKZread if it will support vr, i'll be in, i just love advanced real physics based gameplay

is it VR?

How's that "Expanse style" is eluding me... Not to mention there already is an "Expanse style" sim, except I'd rather call The Expanse "Children of a Dead Earth style" instead, since CoaDE is much closer to reality than The Expanse.

remember the cant !

Unfortunately this game was already made (Sold on steam for $40.00) in an open world with 24/7 combat. Starting in your fighter with real space simulation motion, and you could improve your fight per kill or upgrade to bigger and bigger ships up to battleships and carriers. You could take your ship anywhere to any planet and defend or capture outpost while fighting both NPCs and Players mixed in together amongst different factions. Game was released just a few years ago and while currently still on steam, guess what its current player count is per day...3 (And lets keep in mind, the Game is perfect! Its super fun! Combat is out of start wars!) And no, im not naming the game, they need to make it F2P so i wont' throw business their way. Reason for its death? These games have a very small fan base and to make matters far far worse....it was not F2P. No one buys semi AA games (Let alone space games) So this game is already DOA if its not F2P, that is just how the industry works. To make matters worse, instead of open world, you said it has "match making" That is by far even more unappealing to space gamers. There is not ONE (1) single "MATCH MAKING" space duel combat game on that market, and there never has been that didn't die with in just a couple of months. Dreadnought tried and failed along with many others. Duel combat space games are boring. Open world is far more appealing but also fails every time. But sure, buy the game, play it, just don't expect the game population to ever grow, it only gets worse and worse week after week.

poor mans star citizen

I hope you can change up the cockpit because the layout of the MFDs in the ship is terrible