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I enjoyed your comparisons. Some of the things you say makes me laugh. I've played a lot of Patton's Best over the years and even made my own mods. I actually found learning PB to be easy and straight forward. Then I found out that I was playing one of the movement rules incorrectly for 30 years.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Kurt (Or kurts owner :D )! LOL, I hope that is a good thing :P Well, you started playing before the age of the internet! I sometimes think about the 80's and 90's how many people would play board games wrong! I played so many board games "correctly", only to find out I actually got some rules wrong when I upload the playthroughs to this channel and my viewers point them out! One big problem with Patton's Best is how the rules are spread out absolutely everywhere. This is a game where you will not learn the rules from just reading the rules. Nope, you've got to read all the charts, carefullly, you got to read the sequence of play on the board, you got to read the AAR, the only thing you don't have to read is the back of the box! I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there was a rule there LOL!

@derMikester

Жыл бұрын

Kurt - as long as u had phun it doesn't really matter now does it ;)

“Reinforcements in Patton’s Best can (extend the game) for hours, and hours, and hours…please 88 just take me out!” I subscribed for your great mix of passion for the games, brave honest reviewing, and humor. This grognard pins the Medal of Honor & Humor on thee.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Wow, your comment made me very happy! So happy that you enjoyed the video. It did catch some flak over on BGG as people thought it showed my face too much, which was not really my meaning, I just did not think of more cameplay to show in the video.. Welcome to the channel and thank you for the award, I will wear it with pride!

“The movement rules in Patterns Best is the most bizzare…I usually I don’t advance or reverse because its just…I can’t be bothered!” LOL

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Haha 😆 Sounds like I'm a little punk, but I promise the movement rules are BAD 😆

@gp4141

Жыл бұрын

I’m laughing with you. Thanks to your review, I ordered ATA. Although tactical elements in Patton’s sounds appealing, not so much movement complexity I literally become paralyzed! Maybe future releases they can add the positives of Patton’s Best to ATA.

Delicate - that is hilarious. Great job with the comparison as that was not an easy task. Keep doing what you’re doing as there are always going to be critics. You are appreciated!!!!

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Haha, yes, alot of delicate flowers in today's society 🌺😆 Thank you Mark, I am glad that you enjoyed it!

Thanks for the mention. Keep up the great work!

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Of course! Maybe next video should be Lone Sherman VS One Page WWII Tank Wars Ardennes? :D

@mikelambosolitairebookgames

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel I'm looking forward to Mission 5 ;-)

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@mikelambosolitairebookgames What a coincidence, I just finished recording that 😁

@mikelambosolitairebookgames

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel Star

Great vid! Awesome comparison. One really easy way in ATA to track who you are engaged with (without using markers) is to position the enemy forward on their position circle closest to you.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! That's another really smart way of doing it! I shall try it out

Really good comparison of these two tank games. No doubt you have solid experience with solo board games. And thanks for sharing your experiences. You covered a lot of good aspects of the games. (And remember: AH was "notorious" for writing not-so-streamlined rules. Too bad ATA might have somewhat of the same problem). Anyway: really good review 😃

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir! Oh yes, I've had the "Pleasure" of reading some AH rule books, and it's been quite the (dry) adventure xD

I agree with your comments about enemy reinforcements. In my limited (4) playings so far, I have been quickly overwhelmed by enemy reinforcements much faster than I can take out the initial forces that face me at game start. I'm going to have to house rule that, because it really takes the fun out of it for me. You did a great job comparing the two games!

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

9 ай бұрын

Thank you, glad you liked the video! Did you play PB or ATA? I had a few situations in ATA where reinforcements also got me

@jameycribbs

9 ай бұрын

Sorry, I should have been more specific! I was playing ATA. I've tried playing a bit of PB, but I get tired out from all the lookups before I get too far. :) I bought ATA last week and took it on vacation with me to learn to play. I really enjoyed learning it, but after my first four plays where I quickly was overwhelmed by enemy reinforcements, I put it away and pulled out my ongoing Interceptor Ace game. I was hoping that I was doing something wrong in ATA and maybe it would turn out that the reinforcements were not so overwhelming, but watching your video today, I noticed that you had also experienced something similar. I think I may just create a house rule that reduces the chance of enemy reinforcements. Again, thanks for all your videos. I really enjoy your channel and have watched several of your PB videos.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

9 ай бұрын

@@jameycribbs It's pretty ironic because it was a big problem with Patton's Best but came along for American tank Ace..

“With Patton’s Best I need a calculator, pen, and paper to calculate what I need to roll!” Too funny!😂

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

And it's the truth xD Imagine having like 8 active modifiers, good luck with calculating that in your head unless you're rain man!! :P

Thanks for you comparison review. I love to see this types of comparison, because it really shows the strengths and weakness of each game. I was original interested in getting one of these two games., but I think after your explanation, I will not get either one. I already have too many games and I don't they either game fit what I'm looking for. Thanks for saving me some time and money.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I am glad that you enjoyed the video and that it helped you make a decision! You might also want to check the individual playthrough videos to get an idea of the flow of the games.

great rundown, thank you! 14:08

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!

An excellent summary of the two different games - American Tank Ace sounds very similar to Interceptor Ace (which I do have), and as you said, sometimes you just feel like you are along for the ride.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Sir! It's fun that you mention that, because the next game on my table is actually Interceptor Ace! (I couldn't find Nightfigher Ace, which I guess it would make more sense to start with, right?). I feel that ATA is quite close to "The Hunters", another quality title by Mr Greg M. Smith, so I am sure that Interceptor Ace is quite alike (and equally awesome).

@AndyP998

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel Ive played Hunters, Nightfighter, Interceptor and few days ago American tank ace. I think Hunters and Nightfighter are my favourite among these, because there is search element involved. Creates much better story sometimes just looking for enemy

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyP998 I have interceptor ace but haven't played it yet. Would you recommend to start with nightfighter or interceptor?

@AndyP998

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel Nightfighter totally, i sold interceptor since it was too much action

Well done Dan. I ended up getting ATA that was on sale! Win - Win 😊

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy it! If you're on Facebook, join the group and our awesome organized play!

Patton's Best was a product of the 1980s. Back then Games were trying to be simulations, something I am glad has changed. Back then we only had the "General" magazine for answering questions. The General was there to put out expansion senecios for their games and to sell more games. The rules for the old games were horrible, try SPIs Air War if you want a head ache. I always did think the multi color tables of the old AH games were a great idea, they made it easier to find the table I needed. But it did come to feel like accounting and not playing a game after awhile. I have played neither game but I was a huge SL, ASL, Panzer Blitz, and I think it was called Panzer Leader. Wow the 1980s were along time ago. So glad I have returned to the hobby. Thank you for doing this. Why no mention of Tiger Leader or Sherman Leader? If anyone takes issue with how you say something F'em. I know that sounds harsh but in my opinion none of us needs that negativity..

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you got watching my friend! I'm born in 1990 and sometimes I wish I could have experienced gaming in the 80's with magazines and letters instead of internet forums!!

I would love to try Patton's Best. I had an incomplete copy years ago and always wanted to go through the campaign and assign my friends as my crew and see who survives

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

11 ай бұрын

It's so awesome, I hope you can find a complete copy. It's pretty inexpensive

I was going to try track a copy of American Tank Ace down in the UK but given availability is spotty at best I may hang fire for one of the sequels you mentioned. As far as tank games go, and perhaps these fail to meet the criteria for some reason, but there is also Sherman Leader and Tiger Leader from DVG. Thank you for this overview, it's greatly appreciated.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Reprint is comming in a few months! Sherman Leader and Tiger leader are so strange game titles. These games are not even tank games as you mainly will use infantry in them. I really think these names are a big fail since they make most people think that they are tank games :P Thank you Sir!

A couple of comments so far: I like the counters as they are (no cost). I look at the charts to determine which skill I want to purchase and can see the cost there without cluttering up the counter. The -1 counters from Ft. Knox are already confusing enough. I have about 120 missions of ATA under my belt and have only seen a Tiger twice, so a lot of it is just how we roll. As you said, you are way more concerned with winning these games than I am. I think these narrative games are much more about the experience than the W/L record. People say there aren’t enough meaningful decisions in these games, I don’t care. They are like interactive historical fiction books to me. Only one decision with those, do you want to read them or not. Agree on the campaigns. I think towns should have been added for more flavor, like in Target for Today and Target for Tonight. Most missions feel to generic for me. Trying to bridge that gap with our group campaign. GREAT JOB so far, looking forward to the final 20 minutes

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

I didn't actually notice that the price of the skills were on that chart, then I would agree with you, as long as it's on one of the charts, that is enough. Wow, you are really lucky! I've seen tigers at least 5 times and I actually killed a few of 'em! Yeah we're all different kind of gamers, I guess it relates to personality and personal experience. Some play to win, other to just experience the story. Thank you Ted!

Thanks for doing this video! If anything, it further convinced me that I will never hunt down a copy of Patton's Best :) I'm enjoying American Tank Ace just fine.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad to be of service! PB certainly isn't for everyon!!

I hope you try Tank Dual some day, there are some aspects you would really appreciate, like larger tanks being able to hit. Perhaps Patton’s Best tried to emulate that effect by often putting them in the lead

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

I hope that to!! But you got me fired up for Target For Today!

@tedbrayton

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel I think you’ll find Target for Today closer to B-17 QOTS than ATA was to Patton’s Best. Very easy transition with more chrome

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@tedbrayton It does look awesome

Hi Dan, I finally got a chance to see this. I liked aspects of PB, but found others surprising and lacking at least in a phew initial sessions. You touched on burning through the hours of the day and I noticed that, so get it and roger that. I also felt like the Air Support and Artty eliminated most threats and advancing fire, then it was the churn of the dice through tables to get back to some kind of tension. Oh additionally the enemy firing on your support and not you happened frequently. I kept thinking I’m a gonner, nope. Now I had limited sessions, so I am wondering how it will play out next time. Not bad, but didn’t grab me in a way I had to keep going. ATA I have yet to get to the table, so I like all the things you said. I got the rules to it early as you know. But they lacked any art details, no tank board, battle board and so on. I had no idea how these looked or worked. The rules really didn’t say well enough that I could visualize some concept of them. I read through and though ok, but couldn’t do a dry run session, so I didn’t dig in. This was unfortunate and I would have liked to give meaningful feedback, but I couldn’t, it was not complete. Have you thought about asking some of those design questions? For example the small ready rack? And so on. I kinda would like to know as well. Gregg is responsive as you mentioned and others may like to know, please do it on BGG if you don’t mind. That is if you do ask. Thanks again, well wishes

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Hi, JP! I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. I hope that you will get to ATA soon, it's an awesome game. I thought about contacting the designer of PB, but to be honest, that guy is now old (74), the game was designed 35 years ago so it would be hard for him to answer any questions about why he designed some things in some ways, also, he is kind of a big shot now, he worked for Microsoft and had a big part in some of the most well known PC games that have ever been published. I did contact the designer of ATA and put forward my idea that I would send my manuscript to this video, and he could choose if he wanted to discuss certain points that I brought up, but he decided that he did not want to have a part of that. It was my understanding that he felt that it was inappropriate and unfair to the fans and designer of PB, as if only he would be able to explain his part of the story, that would tip the scale in favor of ATA.

As my first WW2 solitaire, which would you recommend, ATA or PB? I am familiar with complex rulesets and prefer medium weight or progressive difficulty, but I am just getting into this genre. ATA seems more streamlined while PB might be best to grow into after ATA?

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

If you're planning to perhaps play both, I would definetely recommend starting with ATA as that game is less complex and as you say, more streamlined. However, if you're confident with complex rules and want to play something more detailed, I'd recommend PB. Also remember that the tactical decisions of ATA are rather limited, yes, there are quite a few choices to make which is fun, but the impact of those choices are not so big. You're mostly in for the ride in this one and your fate ultimately depends mainly on the dice.

Well done, Daniel. A good comparison of the two games. 👍 I grew tired of your Patton's Best playthroughs after about 4 or 5 - way to many details to keep track of. I found out that I have the game but have no idea when I got it. (Might have been given to me by a friend who didn't like it.) Seeing all the modifiers to keep track of puts me off playing unless I take the time to make an interactive Excel workbook that calculates everything automatically. Too many other games I need to get to the table for that to happen. It's a shame that the American Tank Ace rulebook is so poorly laid out - and especially the Sequence of Play on the back cover. It's good that there are corrections on BGG and Facebook, but annoying that you have to print out corrections yourself. Maybe Compass should take a page from Osprey's handling of Undaunted and send us updated versions (once all the errors have been found/fixed). Some of the charts need fixing as well. You mentioned the need for additional counters to track certain things (who's firing at you, buttoned markers etc.) It seems they were short in those areas, but they went overboard in others. Did we really need so many copies of each vehicle, especially where the slight difference in stats rarely come into play? and all those multiple copies of various war trophies (which get lost when your tank is destroyed) ... I do think there should have been some rudimentary spotting required for the player, kind of like the Germans have to roll a 1 to start firing at you, rather than being automatic, but not as extensive as Patton's Best. As you mentioned, there definitely needs to be some negative effects to retreating from the field. I think Mr. Smith is already working on that. I am looking forward to the other nationalities of American Tank Ace in the works. My bank account (and my wife!) might disagree ....😏

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah PB is certainly not for everyone. A lot of bookkeeping! It will make you feel like an accountant :P haha that's pretty funny! Are the counters still on their sheets or is it a used copy? That is a great idea, let's hope someone does something like that :D Yeah, the rulebook is one of the games weak points. Let's hope it gets redone so new players will have an easier time joining us! This is also the feeling I got. I am not sure why we need so many war trophy counters and infantry counters :P It would have been better to make fewer of those and make a few more "buttoned up" and "targeted" counters etc. Yes! Ironically the new errata was released yesterday just a few minutes before this video was published. New errata includes that retreating will give no XP and will give a negative die roll modifier for next promotion attempt! Same here! Especially German tank ace. It would be fun to actually not have to be constantly out gunned. I am guessing we will instead be zerged by Shermans or T-34's!

Coming from B-17 Queen of the Skies, I was tracking my crew members names. I think I quit before I hit August. All were dead, replacements dead, I also replaced the Commanders and worked my way to the end. Still fun. I keep thinking I've got the rules down and then I see another Errata (which is good). Maybe the 2nd printing will have the counters that we really need and corrected rules.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

haha, I can relate... That is why I buy ALL skills for the commander first, it just makes sense since he must survive for the game to continue.. Buying the gunner skill for the gunner just to loose him 2 missions later is not fun :P This game is indeed very, very lethal. Maybe a bit too lethal!!

Great comparison of these games. I believe you would enjoy Tiger Leader (2nd edition) and Amerika Bomber: Evil Queen of the Skies (also made by Mr.Smith). I am trying to get into Steel Wolves (massive submarine game). Another great title that need a lot of time. Please keep up the fantastic work!

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Sir!

Have you played The Fulda Gap? The battle for the center?

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Nope, WW2 only for me!

Daniel Niemi, Scourge of Nazi Forces!!!!!!!!!! Great summary of both games. I happen to like "the attempt" with the spotting rules in PB. But you are definitely right that in practice, it is extremely cumbersome. One of my issues with most boardgames is "perfect knowledge." Something that they still have not completely solved, but to me it adds to the fun. I think that in the near future some of these challenges will be solved with an app the does the math and calculations. The other element you touch on is another aspect of the future, the use of the human element in these games to tell a story. Thanks as always, for your devotion to games and to your viewers. I look forward to your posts and thoughts.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for your kind words! I also enjoy the spotting aspect of PB but sometimes it just get's to be too much! I don't like that rolls of 9 and 10 will make them hidden.. Super frustrating since I want to killl 'em! :D

@QuayleTBird

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes, I've thrown a few dice across the room on that one. The last time that I played the game (2020) I did some rules polishing in an attempt to streamline the process and make it less infuriating.

10% for a tiger appearance is too high, as the total production of Tigers were 1505 for the entier war and 60% were in Russia.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

6 ай бұрын

Agree. I killed so many tigers in ATA and never seen one in PB from a full 48 mission career.

Very nice.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@Jan-hx9rw

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel At one point shortly after I picked up Patton's Best, I think in early 88, I decided to combine the 1/35 top down drawings in Honnecutt's "Patton" book along with what I knew from training on M48A1, M48A2, M48A5, M60, and M60A3 tanks into a revision that would also include the M26, M46, and M47. I got about 1/3 of the way into transcribing portions of the rules booklet, found that 80% needed a complete rewrite to deal with the increased lethality and engagement ranges, and put it aside. Oddly, with those increased lethality and engagement ranges, it can simplify the gameplay a fair amount. I still think that a game called "Patton: Best of the Breed" covering that would be entertaining. Maybe I'll resume it now that I've long retired from active tanking. Still far easier than trying to mod a game on the computer.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@Jan-hx9rw Sounds awesome! You should complete your work and look for a publisher! I'd buy that in an instant!

Patton's Best every time! ATA pre-order cancelled after seeing the demo and no regrets. Sorry Greg...

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Curious, what was it with ATA that you did not fancy?

@danderson5084

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel The biggest turn-off was the board with the uniform and slots for medals and trophies. I know you said you liked that quite a bit but I'm just not interested. Also after PB gritiness, the combat looked too lightweight for me, I quite like all the charts and tables (yes, I know I'm weird!). Beyond that, any second thoughts were dashed when all the errata came to light.

Great review Sir. Thx for posting. We (here collectively) all have to remember that at least for color / art capabilities for map and counters etc are limited by what could be economically printed at time. aka this case Circa 1987. Especially the charts. That's just way charts were back then. No semi-glossy paper. These charts really shouldn't have attempted the multi-colors tho Esp the read looks unreadable. This is in comparison to say original SL / 3rd Reich etc charts that were black on white using color like to alternate lines of the CRC table between white and light gray for readability.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Very true, back in the days it was way different.. Cool to see how the business have developed!

285 hours? Excellent value! 😁

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

haha, that's one way to look at it :D

Patton's Best felt very mechanical and just a dice-rolling endurance test. ATA involves a lot of dice rolling but I feel like you do more decision-making. However as you note, the ATA rule book is a bit of a train wreck. It does help that the author is online but the fact that there's already 3 or 4 different errata sheets for a brand new game, and the number of questions on BGG, speaks to a rule book that was not very well organized and written. It's a great game once you get all the errata and rules clarifications figured out.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Agreed on the dice rolling endurance test on PB, you really got to love charts to like that game. The amount of rolling that you do before you see your first combat is pretty nuts! However, once in combat, I do think it changes to a deeply tactical game, in difference to ATA where I don't feel like we have much decision making beyond the quite obvious ones. I do think PB's 30 different orders, 5 orders a turn vs ATA's 15 different orders, 2 orders a turn is a testament to that. I don't think the 3-4 pages of errata is a very big deal. A big part of the errata is correcting spelling errors and such, so it's not like 4 pages of errata in that sense. I am happy as long as the designer provides support, but I definitely to the fact that the rules need some work with better organizing and clarifications!

@judyhopps9380

Жыл бұрын

it seems Compass Games does no playtesting or proof reading. They really need a lot of Q&As

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@judyhopps9380 Agreed, they need to raise the bar when it comes to quality control!

You've got Acquired Target and Acquired by Enemy counters in PB, no?

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but not in ATA. In PB, we miss other things, like a token to remind you that you're the lead tank, tokens to remember that enemies fired last turn and will more easily be spotted etc.

I disagree with you on Spotting as I think PB got it right.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

6 ай бұрын

I find it strange that a panzer IIII can be as dangerous as a Tiger tank with an 88ml gun just because it's not spotted.

I am highly offended by every opinion, because it's not my opinion!! Just Kidding!! I'm preparing you for the onslaught you're going to face because for whatever minor reason! 🫣 I'll say that this video made me lean more heavily on deciding that ATA might be the next game I buy VS Patton's Best. PB looks amazing, but you said it best. Time investment (and space) are a MAJOR factor in many gamer's lives. For example, The Hunters is easy to setup, play and breakdown without devoting a ton of time into it and I get a good feeling that I accomplished something incredible! Also, the time investment required for a full campaign, I can't believe how long it is for PB!! Now I know why you are so protective of your Commander!! 🤣🤣🤣 Great video! I'm sure it will help a lot of people out!

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

hahaha, just you wait! Honestly that is why I don't do reviews. Say a bad thing about a game, and watch the fan boys go nuts. Doesn't matter if you praise the game and note that it has some small problems :P Yeah, I can see why! I think you could probably play ATA in your truck! It doesn't really require more space than The Hunters for example. Oh yeah, I don't know how many hours I spent on my KZread campaign! And that is just one of many campaigns, mind you... Thank you my friend!

@wbridgeusmc

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel No problem, can't wait to get it. This game is just asking for a War Journal approach, I'll be posting stories in the forum in no time!! Honestly, what takes up more of my time is writing my narratives, but it makes for an incredible story and experience that you can share!! Then when one of those crew members is KIA and you wrote a whole story about him, that KIA hurts!

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@wbridgeusmc i love your write ups. You should seriously do a book on a ATA career!

@wbridgeusmc

Жыл бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel Right! A story based on ATA. I can see that book being very brutal!!

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@wbridgeusmc Yeah it would beat Fury!!

I think you are incorrect when placing how important it is to capture an "Exit Area." Capturing an Exit Area only helps you achieve victory i that it is worth a decent amount of Victory Points. Victory is determined each day simply by whether or not you have more points at the end of the day than the enemy. As far as deliberate dragging your feet when moving across the map, I'll bet that more than a few tank commanders did just that, since they wanted to stay alive, which is the ultimate Victory Condition in the game. The flip side of the coin is that in order to get promoted/medals, you have to have a LOT of Victory Points at the end of a day's combat. Patton's Best remains one of my all-time favorites, and I find American Tank Ace to be TOO streamlined.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Ай бұрын

I think you have misunderstood what I meant. It's not the goal of the game to capture any exit area at all, one could just check every possible adjacent area, call in 2 air strikes and 3 artillery strikes, request ammo after every advancing fire and you would likely end every mission after just 2-3 areas. What I'm saying is that it would make more sense to me if the exit area was the objective of each missions, instead of just a positive score. Regarding the dragging of feet, I don't think that was something that really happened in WW2. I've read every US tank crewman memoir there is, many written by tank commanders. There were orders given throughout the movement and battles to the platoon leader via 2-way radio. Draging your feet wasn't an option since you had clear orders of your objectives and if you were found to deliberately delay an advance or attack, you would be relieved of command pretty soon.

@joeperez3520

Ай бұрын

@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel Making capture of at least 1 Exit Area during an Advance scenario would be a good idea. What you describe as dragging your feet (recon lots of adjacent areas, call in multiple strikes for every area, etc) isn't what i had in mind when I thought of dragging your feet. You'd deserve to get busted from command for that. 🤣 My idea of dragging is simply calling in an Artillery mission for the area you're going to move into, eve4ry time. Only costs 15 minutes, and greatly helps you thin out enemies. Maybe more "cautious advance" than being a deliberate Goldbrick.

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Ай бұрын

@@joeperez3520 oh yeah! I do that whenever there is time over! But some days in the winter are crazy. There isn't even enough time to reach the exit area even if you're not using any operations and go the straight way there! I love Patton's Best too and dream of a modernized version

I had Pattons Best but sold it=stupid move

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

Жыл бұрын

That hurts. I almost always regreat when ever I sell a game :P

@Demy1970

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I also sold st nazaire but I kept Ambush!

@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannel

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@@Demy1970 omg noo!! I'd love to try St Nazaire

@danderson5084

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You can always build PB from the files on BGG. That's what I did, although I did actually pay $5 for print files from Gamers garage for this and a load of other old AH games. It's pretty much already all there though, including fan made counters from mudcake and others that are great.

@danderson5084

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​​​@@WW2SolitaireBoardGameChannelI got the map for ROSN printed on a sheet of foam board, looked fantastic. I didn't much like the game though - if your boats get shot up then there will be little point landing whoever is left as they won't achieve much. Probably historically accurate though and the best theme of any game!