You need to appreciate all the fine detail that went into this. He got all the details down, even the fact that Puritans only filmed in 4:3 because widescreen was seen as a papist decadence

@Ellimist000

Жыл бұрын

Truly, a technique of the devil 🤣

@grittyfaithgrittyfacts

Жыл бұрын

It is! Shamefulle so!

@TheFuzzieWuzzie

Жыл бұрын

😂💀🤣💀👍🏼🏆

@JonniePolyester

5 ай бұрын

😂… 16:9 are the Devil’s numbers….. well one of them 😂

Those dang Puritan hippies.

@astrobullivant5908

2 жыл бұрын

Well, some of them did take names like "Makepeace" and "Freelove."

@Mikefantasia22

2 жыл бұрын

My guy . I use your videos to teach my son history.

@ukrainenews8247

2 жыл бұрын

Mr breast give me money

@Edgelord-rn9he

2 жыл бұрын

Why does this excerpt at 2:01 sound like something an SJW would say about Past Racism?🤔

@BasicLib

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edgelord-rn9he Because it follows from the same ideological strain Not in terms of “oh modern day progressives are just rebranded puritans” but rather that the concerns about society that led to the development of Puritanism are the same ones that have birthed the modern social justice movement in the 21st century And to be frank these concerns have been the source of most of the most dominant ideologies of the past 5 centuries Reform Christianity > Puritanism > Liberalism > Socialism > Social justice They hall share a similar ideological strain of wanting to address a very specific social ill…. Injustice Weather it’s the Puritans and religious Hierarchies, or the Liberals (I mean Capital L liberals which also includes “US conservatives”) and political hierarchies, or the Socialists and economic hierarchies or the Social Justice Activist and Social Hierarchies like race and gender etc Humanity has recognized a problem since the enlightenment and the early industrial era, we just don’t know what problem exactly it is and what solution is necessary to address it:

In a run down loyalist area of Belfast scrawled on a wall, ‘No Pope here!’ Someone wrote underneath, ‘Lucky Pope!’

@thedrifter2790

2 жыл бұрын

Y I

@madhukarjonathanminj2772

Жыл бұрын

lol, that's cool

@AH-be6bu

Жыл бұрын

26 + 6 = 1

@jacobschwartz6579

Жыл бұрын

For some reason, reminds me of one of the earliest depictions of Jesus: a mocking piece of graffiti from Rome, showing a donkey-headed man on a cross with a man kneeling in prayer in front of it. The picture is captioned, “Alexamenos prays to his god.” Years later, someone else added their reply: “Alexamenos is faithful.”

@tophatgaming1873

9 ай бұрын

@@AH-be6bu how is it that in a video like this you still find irish nationalists in the comments?

I love how Atun-Shei in the background is basically just having a nice trip on shrooms and wandering around looking at stuff and petting trees and so on. He looks like he's having a great time.

@pnutz_2

2 жыл бұрын

what shrooms do you eat that make you disappear complete with a *pop* sound

@brandonmorel2658

2 жыл бұрын

I dont think he was on a nice trip, jogging around in those shoes, going on forgotten trails where the ghosts of bears could have attacked him.

@rachaelsdaddontdrink

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta find them witches!

@burninsherman1037

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, huge a field in England vibes.

@CSRIII

Жыл бұрын

The psychedelic imagery is an unnecessary distraction in an otherwise excellent storytelling episode.

Well that was definitely not the editing style I was expecting when you sent me the script! Really cool stuff.

@Bolognamonster

2 жыл бұрын

hey, this is just for your next game on live, Since you had just conquered France before crashing, Most of their colonies are up for grabs. Id Recommend at least taking parts of Louisiana.

@garringo2416

2 жыл бұрын

Your first person battle videos are awesome

@CreightonDevers

2 жыл бұрын

It's like that other weird pilgrim movie that I didn't watch past 5 minutes in.

@paulfullshire4269

2 жыл бұрын

I really liked your narration, but why refer to the wartime death of Metacomet as murder? I feel like that is an important distinction

@BrandonF

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulfullshire4269 I just read a script that was provided to me.

"Here's why Gods and Generals is inaccurate." Later... "Here's why the Witchfinder-General is inaccurate"

@falconJB

2 жыл бұрын

Later still... "Here's why 'In Defense of Puritanism' is inaccurate."

@Kuronosa

2 жыл бұрын

The Witchfinder General is meant to be a parody of the idea, turned up to max to be hilarious.

@kartoon9820

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kuronosa yeah, but the closing shot of the video felt very much like it was making the tongue-in-cheek statement that the witchfinder-general was inaccurate and/or secretly not as kooky as he lets on.

@hawkingstar1698

2 жыл бұрын

@@kartoon9820 maybe overthinking it?

@kartoon9820

2 жыл бұрын

@@hawkingstar1698 why talk about depiction of puritans over a closing shot of his own, tongue-in-cheek depiction of one then? if the shot meant nothing he may as well have closed the video over a black screen.

Yoooooo. This is the historical context that I feel like we missed out on in American History class. It really fills in a lot of gaps in how things started and the attitude of early American settlements. Nobody just starts a country out of nowhere and makes up the culture on the spot. Underrated video.

@cjstanky

2 жыл бұрын

Its a shame that often times you only get to examine these themes in college level courses where professors can really dig into a smaller timeframe and the students are engaged and can bring their own more passionate insights into the discourse.

@DarkWallay

Жыл бұрын

He misses a ton of shit, that conveniately makes the puritans look like evil religious extremists.

@witchflowers6942

Жыл бұрын

i know! if i had an elementary or middle grade history class this is the kind of documentary id love to show to my pupils- but the cirrocumulus dictates we teach and grade upon an anachronistic narrative, divorced of but the barest context

@GardenFootCreature

7 ай бұрын

I’m baffled that none of my United States history classes taught about the 1688 revolution and it’s effects on the colonies

@joelewis1776

4 ай бұрын

@@cjstankydefinitely. There are entire 15 week courses (semester) at my university just about this early period of north American history

Holy crap. I didn't know JFK had to staunchly be like "i don't want catholicism to be the state religion" like that just to exist in that position. I knew there was apprehension because he was Catholic but not THAT far. As someone who was raised Irish Catholic myself (I'm not now by any means) I'm mortified.

@douglasboyle6544

17 күн бұрын

I'm right there with you, I had no idea he had to make statements like that. Contrast that with today and the evangelical Christian Nationalism and their blatant disregard for separation of Church and State, it's kinda shocking.

Great video glad you called me in to ruin a few minutes of it.

@AtunSheiFilms

2 жыл бұрын

Nah man you did a great job!

@cheesedoff-with4410

2 жыл бұрын

Ah it was your voice. (You do good stuff too. Atun-Shei put me on to your channel a while ago.)

@sloshed-rat

2 жыл бұрын

Histocrat this is the only time I'll tell you this... shush. You've got a great voice my dude.

@EdgieAlias

2 жыл бұрын

The video would not have been as good as it is without your inclusion

@matthewjohnson1633

2 жыл бұрын

Your channel is amazing!

I think that Atun-Shei has really outdone himself with this one. I found myself not even listening to the narration because I was so captivated by the unique style, imagery and effects used in this video. It’s amazing, I’ve never seen stuff like this in a history video! Now, I’m going to watch it again and this time do my best to actually listen to what’s being said. Epic stuff man!

@AtunSheiFilms

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks bruv!

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtunSheiFilms 38:42 Outdone? Or output? Is this a _"live _*_stream"?_* I'm laughing so hard the tears are flowing. lols Nice job sneaking that one in. Thanks for the laughs, my day is much better now. ^-^

@rouskeycarpel1436

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtunSheiFilms You’re a true man of high quality atun for saying bruv

@bikenerd1

2 жыл бұрын

Unique style imagery and effects .... I think you may enjoy tracking down the weirdness that is Ben Weatley's (2013) 'A Field in England'

@TheObicobiHD

2 жыл бұрын

Atun 👏👏

This isn't a video. This is a professional documentary. Everyone that partook in the making of this masterpiece has my upmost respect. Brilliant piece!

@ViktoriousDead

Жыл бұрын

Mr. house…….

@Research0digo

Жыл бұрын

@@ViktoriousDead What? I'm really curious what you want to say. :)

@thescubastephen

Жыл бұрын

@@Research0digo Yes. MR HOUSE!

@AwesomeRepix

Жыл бұрын

@@thescubastephen We need to Cook Mr. House! B***!!

This was excellent. Not only have you strung the English Civil war, the First Thanksgiving, King Philips War and the Salem Witch Trials into a succinct narrative, but the story of the Diggers was genuinely new information for me. I never knew early Puritans were basically medieval anarchists.

This was pure fire!

@hallamhal

2 жыл бұрын

Recognised your voice right from the start! A welcome addition 🙂

@theamericancristero7390

2 жыл бұрын

As soon as the narration started I thought "wait a minute this isn't the caveman guy's channel, what gives?"

@aylbdrmadison1051

2 жыл бұрын

38:42 Putting out the fire..

@cv4809

2 жыл бұрын

Famous last words of Salem witches

@vicenteortegarubilar9418

2 жыл бұрын

Emphasis in purity

>Every other historical or political channel: “Here lets talk about why 9/11 sucks and changed history.” Atun-Shei, probably: “P U R I T A N S ! ! !”

@EdgieAlias

2 жыл бұрын

"Why 9/11 changed history." I wonder how much history the U.S. has changed then lol

@SophiaAstatine

2 жыл бұрын

@@EdgieAlias Wonder if anyone has been bold enough to talk about "Why 9/11 changed absolutely nothing besides strengthen the foreign policies that caused it in the first place."

@francogiobbimontesanti3826

2 жыл бұрын

What channels have you been watching, there are great channels about every little topic

@richmcgee434

2 жыл бұрын

@@SophiaAstatine Not that I've seen. It isn't wholly accurate anyway. 9/11 might be argued to have changed nothing *for the better* but it did directly lead to the overthrow of two sovereign governments. That was change. It also (however unintentionally, imperfectly, and perhaps briefly) led to a limited respite in the repression of women's rights in Afghanistan - something which hasn't wholly reversed itself as of the time of this writing and hopefully never will. I certainly wouldn't credit any US government in the last 20 years with having deliberately caused that, but it was an outgrowth of the 9/11 attacks and the temporary ouster of the Taliban - and if I believed in afterlives I'm quite certain Osama bin Laden would be grinding his teeth over it.

@SophiaAstatine

2 жыл бұрын

@@richmcgee434 Well, overthrowing two governments sound a lot like feeding extreme salafists weapons and money to overthrow a Soviet friendly government, leading to a violent downward spiral in the middle East since the late seventies.

"Puritans charges of papistry became so ubiquitous and over used that it lost all meaning" good thing there isn't a modern equivalent of this so we don't have to look back and learn the lessons of history.

@grittyfaithgrittyfacts

Жыл бұрын

CPT: Catholic Papist Theory

@TremblingKiwis

Жыл бұрын

Explain pls 😢

@grittyfaithgrittyfacts

Жыл бұрын

@@TremblingKiwis I was comparing CPT which I made up as an acronym, to peoples overuse of CRT and wokeness.

@badgerwijohnson4081

Жыл бұрын

@rebeccadavidge60 Yep, but not just the lefts wokeness , but the right's calls of communism as well. In the end if we are all calling each other yatsees all the time we won't see it coming when it actually does.

@allrounder7003

Жыл бұрын

It's still a thing amongst Ulster prods.

We actually talked about the Levelers and Diggers in high school but I never really thought about their influence on American Puritanism. Sick video!

This was outstanding. Thank you.

@mism847

2 жыл бұрын

The video came out 46 minutes ago and the video is a little above 1 hour long.

@hermatred572

2 жыл бұрын

@@mism847 videos like this from channels like these tend to get a soft release

@bulldog71ss33

2 жыл бұрын

Alright, I'll bite.

@engar-dug5197

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your content too, Karl!

@InrangeTv

2 жыл бұрын

@@mism847 I had early access as a Patreon supporter.

I would never have sought out an hour-long documentary about Puritans in a thousand years. But Atun-Shei makes things so interesting that I couldn't resist watching

@Bogey1022

2 жыл бұрын

Nor I. In a thousand years. Look at me now, ma! Thanks Andy.

@richmcgee434

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, this is the kind of thing that makes me actually try the occasional KZread rec. I originally found this channel that way, and about half my other subscriptions. The algorithm only fails about 95-98% of the time for me. :)

@jordancorrell7198

2 жыл бұрын

same here, his videos absolutely captivate me!

This was as earth shattering for me as when I figured out that the founding fathers mostly hated Thomas Paine for being too radical

@burninsherman1037

Жыл бұрын

Which is why he's my favorite!

@amk4956

Жыл бұрын

@@burninsherman1037 based

@burninsherman1037

Жыл бұрын

@@toryquinton2677 that's a very inaccurate view of Paine. He was always quite consistent with his beliefs, and refused to give up on them. Stubbornly standing for what you know to be right isn't a bad thing.

@Rynewulf

Жыл бұрын

@@toryquinton2677 you sound fun, I guess you prefer the unrepentant slave owners over the guy from a lawyers family consistently arguing for equal rights . I wonder why

@burninsherman1037

Жыл бұрын

@@Rynewulf it's that good old liberal "pragmatism" that always just materializes as upholding an unjust status quo, or making concessions to the right and actively helping to make shit worse.

As someone who has many books about the English Civil War and loves hearing/reading the political and theocratic differences of the times. Well. This was exceptional. A true epic of wonderful narration, excellent story telling and true immersion im history. Well done to all involved

@joellaz9836

2 жыл бұрын

I’m atheist and I also enjoy reading about Christian infighting in 17th century England for some reason.

@onioncontrol

Жыл бұрын

​@@joellaz9836 Repent and seek God

@henryhaile1653

10 ай бұрын

​@@onioncontrolseek a shower and the gym

@endaburns2121

10 ай бұрын

@@onioncontrol repent and seek gay sex

@stalfithrildi5366

10 ай бұрын

​@@onioncontrolGod is everywhere! Seek him inside yourself and inside all of your fellows, even in the most unlikely of places like youtube comments.

Imagine the arrogance it takes to look out into the north American wilderness and think "yep, that's Satans work"

@Gaswafers

2 жыл бұрын

You don't have to imagine, because every man, woman, and child alive today is just is capable of that arrogance now as the humans of the past.

@Will-tm5bj

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gaswafers oh I know, it's just crazy

@dpeasehead

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gaswafers Pretty certain that they and modern humans have choices. And should be held accountable for them. Those who are not prepared to give free passes to Hitler and Pol Pot as hapless men of their times, shouldn't be lecturing modern people who are not impressed by the Puritans' genocidal wars in New England or by the Taliban like government Cromwell imposed on England at gunpoint with his New Model Army and are not inclined to to grant them free passes either.

@Will-tm5bj

2 жыл бұрын

@Jacqueline Davis fear of the unknown and arrogance to go along with it. People haven't changed much

@mrnameless7637

2 жыл бұрын

@@dpeasehead Generally people have a lot more good influences today, then people did in the past. Judging a 20th century person is different then a 17th century person. That doesn't mean you can't say someone in the past was evil, it just means the influence of the environment around them needs to be taken into account. It takes time for good ideas to evolve, we can't expect anything better.

Historian Francis Bremer: "“Despite the best efforts of many scholars the popular perception of puritans is that they were steeple-hatted killjoys with dreadful fashion-sense who persecuted dissenters, and executed witches. These assertions are all exaggerated to various extents, but the fact is that most attention to the puritans (including the “Pilgrims”) focuses solely on the negative aspects of their beliefs and practice. In terms of legacy they are mistakenly portrayed as the source of modern evangelical conservative politics. While acknowledging the warts, I wanted to explore some elements of the story that are worth our consideration. Their belief in lay empowerment contributed to forms of participatory government in congregations, towns, and other political entities. Their belief in the importance of reading scripture led them to require all-men and women, servants and slaves-to be taught to read. Their openness to “further light” made them less dogmatic than most of their religious contemporaries, though not as open to diversity as we are. Their commitment to the welfare of the larger community as opposed to individual self-advancement provided a model social gospel, though one limited to their own small society." (Annie Thorn and John Fea (September 7, 2020). “The Author’s Corner with Francis Bremer” (Blog Post). The Way of Improvement Leads Home. Retrieved from: thewayofimprovement.com/2020/09/07/the-authors-corner-with-francis-bremer-2/)

@AtunSheiFilms

2 жыл бұрын

Love me some Bremer

@00Q722

2 жыл бұрын

Damn fine citation work. Appreciate the sourcing.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

The far left actually owes far more to puritanism than the right does. The right originates with the old royal supporting aristocracy.

@lucenukem

2 жыл бұрын

With quality comments like this idk where he gets the checkmate lincolnites comments from

@andrewbroeker9819

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucenukem Puritans also banned Christmas in England and cut the noses off of quakers in the America. In other news, Hitler was a dog lover and banned smoking in public. Doing a few things right doesn't make you good.

It astonishes me that the best history documentaries are on KZread, not on TV or big corp streaming, done with a fraction of the budget and with ten times the depth and rigor. This was one of the best pieces of historical divulgation I've seen on video. Sources and first accounts, solid grasp on the mentality and ways of the era, and a killer period-accurate accent. Excellent time.

I love how Witchfinder general has lore, he was a veteran of the English civil war

This channel is a shining beacon upon a virtual hill

My god. Even the people who did the Salem witch trials knew they fucked up. That's enlightening.

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl

2 жыл бұрын

Salem was very tame by wich hunting standards

@det.bullock4461

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshual8195 plenty of hangings though.

@kas7423

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshual8195 "More weight!"

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl It was New World for a start. The worst witch trials were in the German speaking countries i believe.

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshual8195 you being sarcastic because I was talking about raw numbers

You managed to give me a different view of the Puritans. This gave me so much more insight on this period of Early Colonial History. Love your channel.

Legit one of the best arguments I’ve heard. This was the definition of cogent nuance.

Jesus man, this really is an actually powerful piece of historical education. Using the imagery of the WFG tripping from mushrooms to have several historians talk about the development over the centuries of the ideas of freedom and democracy and voicing the letter of men of conscience also showing how their accents changed really is a magnificent piece of work. Bravo and imagine a clapping gif attached.

I literally subbed 5 minutes before this dropped. Didn't know this channel came with same day shipping too.

@mistyphox5378

2 жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 So far loving it!

Huge ‘A Field In England’ vibes, this editing is fantastic

@ChrisVereb79

2 жыл бұрын

Haven't finished watching yet, but just started reading the comments to see if anyone else got that impression. Awesome work on the film and impressive list of collaborators!

When he simply said the editing style was the result of "drugs, lots of drugs" I knew I had to come check this out. And whew boy was I not disappointed! Excellent historical analysis and context for those of us who hadn't thought much of the Puritans past what was taught in middle school US History, with a healthy dose of shroom inspired imagery to keep attention focused!

Thy Scarlet Harlot of Rome, the so-called “Pope,” must truly tremble at this broadside!

@anarchomando7707

2 жыл бұрын

Scarlet harlot of Rome That's a good band name

@firingallcylinders2949

2 жыл бұрын

I work at a Catholic School I want to use this now

@legion999

2 жыл бұрын

He wears white tho...

@thewitchfindergeneral81

2 жыл бұрын

@@legion999 SILENCE PAPIST

@davidallamericananarchist9220

2 жыл бұрын

@@firingallcylinders2949 if you don't like Catholics then why do you work at a Catholic school?... 😒

Jesus, the narrators were just a veritable who's-who of the best history youtubers

@cheesedoff-with4410

2 жыл бұрын

@@CatherineWarr Thanks for sticking your head above the parapet, as I've now found another one of those narrators.

@stalfithrildi5366

2 жыл бұрын

@@CatherineWarr needed a Black Metal riff to precede your arrival, so I reckon they're bob on

@SophiaAstatine

2 жыл бұрын

*Some of the best. There's so many good ones nowadays, it's an eldorado of history video gold on here.

@justineberlein5916

2 жыл бұрын

Still not as big of a crossover as Crap Guide to DMing, though

@kevinarteaga3824

2 жыл бұрын

@@CatherineWarr pshh, don't sell yourself short. 👍

The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose off the common But leaves the greater villain loose Who steals the common from the goose. The law demands that we atone When we take things we do not own But leaves the lords and ladies fine Who takes things that are yours and mine. The poor and wretched don’t escape If they conspire the law to break; This must be so but they endure Those who conspire to make the law. The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose from off the common And geese will still a common lack Till they go and steal it back.

This was a very fair and even handed look at a people who have been stereotyped and mischaracterized to the point of ridiculousness. I thoroughly enjoyed the video.

One thing this thesis puts me in mind of is how today we view prohibition as a regressive, conservative curtailment of rights, yet in fact it emerged out of radical progressivism and consensus politics, because alcoholism was understood as a public health issue.

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed-temperance was a major subcurrent of first wave feminism

@jaojao1768

2 жыл бұрын

Very true

@kingofcards9516

2 жыл бұрын

And it thankfully failed.

@Copyright_Infringement

2 жыл бұрын

It's often the case that the most radical progressives mix in some truly regressive elements with their beliefs. It's something I've started to notice

@undertakernumberone1

2 жыл бұрын

@@warlordofbritannia and feminism in the 20s and 30s identified via "Prohibition sucks! And also, why are you old hags dictating us that we should see feminism and the stuff like you do?" Another issue was, that most people assumed that prohibition would forbid the hard stuff, Whiskey, Rum etc. but Wine and beer would still be allowed... a certain Mr. Volstead made certain that it wasn't to be... and so many rich people and politicians had their cellars full of booze or bought from bootleggers, while the common man was just told to take it.

Historical I always found it amusing how the Puritans settled in Massachusetts specifically as their own utopia that was also free of Catholicism yet in time it became home to the Irish American community lmao

@methos-ey9nf

2 жыл бұрын

Let's not forget they originally landed in Province Town... If they could see the LGBTQ parades today the puritans would die of shock 😁

@IkeOkerekeNews

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshual8195 Shut up dude.

@IkeOkerekeNews

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshual8195 Yes.

@UltaFlame

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshual8195 lol look at the small man.

@alanpennie8013

2 жыл бұрын

That was all right. The air of America turned Catholics into Protestants, as JFK pointed out.

I originally put this video on in the background as I was doing homework. I had to turn it off and come back to it because this is the kind of video that requires your undivided attention. Fantastic job to everyone involved! Absolutely superb work!!

So many awesome guest narrators - what a project 👏 particularly impressed by the switch from OP to a more recognisably modern accent with Franklin, Jefferson, and Adams. Buckled hats off to you, sir.

Props for the outhouse scene! Ever notice that a scene when someone takes a crap is strategically omitted always when idealizing any people, group or era? See… everyone is truly the same and equal and human when taking a shit. It is therefore a dangerous expression of naked humanity.

@AtunSheiFilms

2 жыл бұрын

"Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold."

@methos-ey9nf

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like this has come up in an Atun-shei film before

@brytheguy6697

2 жыл бұрын

"Mother? Where shall I poop?"

@blademaker9843

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtunSheiFilms So when will Stonewall Jackson get this treatment? It would probably be closer to reality than what lost causers think he did.

@jordanazevedo5688

2 жыл бұрын

@@methos-ey9nf he did he meant he wanted to watch a movie about stonewall taking a shit lol to show humanity

Puritan radicals are one of my pet historical interests, and I have to say that this is a really, really great summary of the movement and its influence. It's so easy to be appalled by Puritans' violence and religious bigotry that many people overlook the fact that Puritanism was also a democratising movement that included thinkers who were centuries ahead of their time and helped build the modern world. But this film manages to give a great overview of the the whole, messy story. And all filmed in an old-school aspect ratio too. Just love it.

@ChangedMyNameFinally69

2 жыл бұрын

Built the modern world...on stolen land

@pink_kino

2 жыл бұрын

I mean the Puritans did have bigotry ig, they were Anti-Catholic

@pink_kino

2 жыл бұрын

Also Puritanism wasn't Democratic, they're closer to Parliamentarianism and Republicanism as this fits in with Reformed Tradition and Presbyterianism.. They also believed in Theonomism which is also in Reformed Tradition where society is ruled by Divine Law and structured in a Presbyterian-like system

This is one of my favorite videos you've made, since it gives such wonderful context for where the attitudes and beliefs of early American settlers came from! A+ for providing a history lesson I should have been taught in high school!

One of the greatest history docs I've ever had the pleasure of finding. Informative, well paced, accessible but full of deep ideas. Great stuff.

I'm only 4 minutes in but I'm already in love with your shot composition. Thanks for bringing such art into education

@AtunSheiFilms

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

This is perfect timing. I was learning about Puritans in both my U.S. History and American Literature classes

@Spongebrain97

2 жыл бұрын

I learned more about them in a college course I took last year focused on Early Colonial America, which is also probably the hardest history class Iv taken with it as my major because of the professor's standards and the Puritans being more diverse in thought than I previously knew

@SpideyTV-wo4pw

2 жыл бұрын

same

@thomasridley8675

2 жыл бұрын

It's even more important considering the current political climate. They created the problems we have too deal with today. They started out on the right track. Liberalism ! But, fell pray to the same poison that had, in their eyes, corrupted the other churches. An over inflated sense of self-righteousness.

some notes from a native historian: the reason for "praying indians" was often not because they were actually interested in the puritan's religion. from what I've learned, the general attitude towards Christianity from natives was "that's weird, and cute!" a lot of early converts were really half-ass -- they would incorporate christian beliefs into their extant belief system bc Algonquian beliefs are incredibly open to just. adding a new guy. like there's a really good story in Roger Williams' "Key to the Language of North America" (great book, on archive dot org, he was an amazing dude) where he recounts the creation story from Genesis to a bunch of natives and they're like "wow, that's an amazing story! that's really cool that's how your land was created. wanna hear how turtle island was made? bc our god did it like this." so they weren't necessarily uhhh. keen on the whole "monotheism" thing. bc why would you be when the world you live in literally has like. I mean it's hard to explain just how different puritan *metaphysics* were from just native metaphysics. Algonquian languages have *living nouns,* lol. like trees are considered to have spirit, rocks have spirit, and what more, things made from certain parts of them retain that spirit. so when you've got one group of people who think they are the chosen people of a singular god to fight Satan, and you've got a relatively chill group of folks who can just work Jesus into their belief system without a second thought, shit gets weird. also? praying indians who just kinda worked Jesus and Satan in there next to Glooskap and his bro Malsumis were often doing so bc they were being *literally bribed* haha, like "if you come to sermon this Sunday you'll get a shiny button!" kind of shit. and who doesn't want a shiny button? shit man, I'd listen to a puritan rant for a shiny button if I'd never seem such a thing. idk. but here's where it gets sad, *usually* they converted because some disease they didn't have immunity to wiped out their entire family, and their gods didn't listen. they saw that the Europeans, who claimed that their God demanded he worship *only him,* were alive, their god had spared them from this plague and clearly that meant he was to be obeyed. so they gave up their old ways and frankly, went fucking insane. look up Kateri Tekakwitha sometime. it's the saddest fucking story, her whole family died, she nearly died, and converted to catholicism bc of the Jesuit priest who nursed her back to health. after that? she would just whip and beat herself into a fucked up frenzy and have "visions," refusing to eat, etc, until she died. and now, I believe they sainted her. for basically becoming so fucking traumatized by disease wiping out her family that she lost her damn mind and went all. medieval Catholic on herself. it's all just so depressing and honestly reading this shit for two years straight is why I ended up dropping out in the last month of my master's, it's just so traumatic. nonstop trauma. anyways, excellent video (as usual), thanks for the fair view. i was honestly worried lol, any time I see "let's give the puritans a fair shake" I'm like "okay. we talking the diggers? bc that's fine. but let's be careful here lmao."

@trevalyn9953

2 жыл бұрын

That was a very interesting read, thanks for the short history lesson

@elen5871

2 жыл бұрын

@@trevalyn9953 no problem, I legit recommend giving "A Key Into the Language of North America (OR an Help to the Languages of the Natives of that part of America Called New England)" by Roger Williams a read, he was well ahead of his time as far as "thinking of natives as other people" goes, and I'm genuinely surprised he didn't get a brief shout-out in this video, considering he was a Puritan who was too Pure for the other Puritans, and he got kicked out of Massachusetts, bummed around for a while getting to know the natives, and then founded Providence Plantations (what's now Rhode Island) based on the idea of uhm, purchasing land fairly and not just murdering the native inhabitants for it. Kinda wild stuff for 1640, sadly enough! Wild enough it got him kicked out of the Massachusetts colony, anyhow 🙄 It's good tho, it's a quick read bc you can skip a lot of the language stuff if you want -- it's like 80% language dictionary of dubious use, the words he chooses to translate may be of interest, but what's REALLY interesting is reading his anecdotes about interactions with native people, bc it's like... a sympathetic white guy who is still in the mindset that he is infinitely superior to these savages but he is trying real hard to "stoop to their level" or whatever and it's pretty admirable especially because it's so damn funny so often. Roger Williams: One of the Good Ones Edit: I didn't clarify enough -- he was kicked out of Massachusetts colony *explicitly* for saying "guys, I think it's kinda fucked up we're just slaughtering all these people for their land when it's clear they were here first? shouldn't we try... idk buying it?"

@elen5871

2 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellwright5478 that's really cool, quite honestly there are so many good records of that time period I bet you could find out what he did.... I don't want to say easily but phew lol, I did my master's research on the change in gender roles as indigenous ppl tended towards Christianity the more contact they had with Europeans and European disease, and there is just so much fucken research on the European _side_ of things out there, so mamy records, because the early puritans were really control freaky lmao. they'd have a record of what he did for sure.

@shekwaga

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Sorry to hear about the 2nd hand trauma. I'm glad you decided to drop out and spare yourself and possibly others down the line.

@kevinmclarkey621

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your post. I learned a lot!

This was tremendously enlightening. Honest, yet nuanced. I loved it. You have set a damn high bar for history content.

Atun-Shei is perhaps one of the best Historians on the internet with the sheer quality of his videos.

@duncanrodriguez2725

2 жыл бұрын

Historiographer is what he calls himself, he doesn't research history and keep it, he tells it

@mrm5659

2 жыл бұрын

@@duncanrodriguez2725 Huh, neat.

“A puritan is such a one as loves God with all his soul, but hates his neighbor with all his heart.”

@ktheterkuceder6825

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like my countrymen.

@davidroberts1689

2 жыл бұрын

So basically Republican.

@ktheterkuceder6825

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidroberts1689 Or a modern christian.

@ipadair7345

2 жыл бұрын

@@ktheterkuceder6825 so a republican

@spartanx9293

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidroberts1689 not seeing it most modern Republicans seem to care more about their local and family dynamic then Democrats which makes sense considering Republicans tend to live in rural and suburban areas

Sir, you have outdone yourself with this video, not just on an educational level but also visually! This is the reason I absolutely love your channel.

Less than a minute in and I hear Stefan's voice! Two if my favorites collaborating?!!! This is going to be great!

Now that the Witchfinder-General visited Salem, we need Hans to visit Argentina.

@boomanchu2

2 жыл бұрын

Johnny Reb could head down to brazil and hang with the Confederados.

@holdenennis

2 жыл бұрын

@@boomanchu2 that’s even better.

@paulhilgerthekingpins4204

2 жыл бұрын

Frozen 50's man episode taking place in (East-)Berlin 😍

In the 1300s, John Ball asked, "When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman?"

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

Silence, Lollard! 😂

@Canhistoryismylife

2 жыл бұрын

My good friends, things cannot go on well in England, nor ever will until everything shall be in common, when there shall be neither vassal nor lord, and all distinctions levelled; when the lords shall be no more masters than ourselves -John Ball

@GeeBarone

2 жыл бұрын

He was executed in my hometown, St Albans A national hero I wish was better known.

@heysemberthkingdom-brunel5041

2 жыл бұрын

That slogan was also used during the 1520s German Peasant Wars... And more than collection of Marxist texts includes Thomas Müntzer as a "precursor"..

@baronofbahlingen9662

2 жыл бұрын

I recognise the Florian Geyer lied

This is my favorite youtube channel. Please keep making videos. Your take on history and sense of style is so much fun.

This has to be one of my favorite pieces of content not just released on this channel, but on all of youtube.

An HOUR??!?! You spoil us Atun-Shei Thank you very much for all that you do :)

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

Thank the Lord, heathen; For the VVITCHFINDER General is no more than the instrument of His Divine Will!

One of my favorite aspects of this channel is how it rightfully takes to task some of the most unpleasant aspects of world history whilst maintaining empathy and understanding to all. Definitely the greatest history KZread channel!

One of your finest videos! Also digging the Poverty Point shirt!

Really great to hear Yorkshire's Hidden History & Stefan Milo YT channels on here! I highly recommend both, thank-you Atun-Shei!

I think this is one of the finest things you've done yet. These days it's the fashion to dismiss anything in history that doesn't measure up to our current standards as irredeemably tainted. That is anachronistic nonsense. It indulges the fantasy that we in the present are somehow immune to the mix of insight and error that runs through all human endeavor. An arrogance on a par with any that may be laid at the door of the Puritans.

@hq4287

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@masterspark9880

2 жыл бұрын

What you said is too vague to have any meaning. You could be talking about literally anyone in history, the only indication that you even meant puritans is in the last sentence and very unclear. And I can’t tell if you mean their rejection of hierarchy or their bigotry against Catholics, Africans and Native Americans

@Blazo_Djurovic

2 жыл бұрын

@@masterspark9880 He means (I suspect!) that popular perspective on history paints things white or black. Someone is either a hero (if he murdered the other tribe and expanded our tribe) or a villain (if he murdered our tribe to expand his tribe). Recently we have started to question the morality of acts of historical figures, especially those we considered good in the past. But instead of taking a nuanced position, once more things tend to be painted in black or white light. Of course since people of the past tended to work under a different set of morals their ideas most often conflict with some of our ideas on rights of man and like. This in turn seemingly makes some people want to overcorrect previous hero worship of certain historical individuals or groups, by going into detail in which particular way we of our time could consider them terrible people. This IMO is as bad as previous blind hero worship. People of the past were... PEOPLE. They worked under a more or less different set of moral ideals. Credit for both good and the bad should be given to them, with also understanding that they were products of their times and can't be really expected to conform to our ideas of what's good. At the same time with that understanding we should also not seek to emulate them in all things because as I've said before, theirs was a diferent time. Basically, TLDR: Puritans did absolutely persecute anyone who did not subscribe to their religious beliefs and anyone they considered foreigner. But they also, for their time were radical egalitarians that pushed many of the ideas modern Western world takes for granted but were utterly alien to their time. But they would also be horrified by the lengths we took their ideas and would consider it work of devil corrupting their holy ideals. All in all they were a pretty interesting bunch that should not be painted in a singular light. But also should not be glorified.

@walterreeves3679

2 жыл бұрын

@@masterspark9880 Hardly vague. I was not talking about the puritans initially but about how present day presumptions can distort our view the past. I would think that apparent since i began by saying "These days". When we condemn people in the past for holding a mix of views that we consider imperfect or wrong to some degree, the underlying assumption is that we in the present have it absolutely right. We fail to recognize that in this we are no different than those we condemn. They thought they had it absolutely right too. We'd do well to consider that future generations will likely find much wrong with us in historical hindsight. Hopefully that will not blind them to what we may have got right.

@masterspark9880

2 жыл бұрын

​ @walter reeves Nobody who judges historical figures claims that we today are perfect. Most of us eat food, wear clothes and have devices made by essentially child slaves. But, although our society is not perfect, we can still criticise past societies. In fact, we have to look at the evils of the past to accurately guess what future generations will criticise us for, and work on it. For example, I personally believe that our enormous wealth inequality will be criticised in the future, just as we criticise the past for their lack of equality

As someone who wrote her dissertation on the Levellers and the radicals in the New Model Army, and still spends far too much time trying to persuade my politically-minded friends that they can learn a lot from them, thank you.

@joshuaopatz6973

2 жыл бұрын

I got a bit lost when the different factions of the parliamentarians were being discussed, the video makes it seemed like it was full of divisions but they one? And didn't Cromwell have many dictatorial powers? How was this squared with the insistence on individual rights by many puritans?

@conradkorbol

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaopatz6973 easy people are hypocrites and values are complicated. We like to pretend now that morals have to consistent or views have to make sane, but our Brains don’t care about separating our emotions from facts

@Blazo_Djurovic

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaopatz6973 From what I heard here, they supported Cromwell and parlament because they were closer to their ideals than the King who was an absolute monarch. But while parliament represented the rich landowners (only those who owned land could vote which was not a lot of people (note that one of immigrants into the colony came from a vilage where none of the villagers actually owned land)) Levelers and like wanted to go further. Once Cromwell was in power and assumed dictatorial powers, he no longer needed their assistance. Also the anti authoritarian movement was faaaaar from unified on what they wanted and Cromwell and likely Parlament played on that and kept them squabbling rather than uniting and potentially launching a second revolution.

@Canalbizarrof

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaopatz6973 There were radical parliamentarians and moderate parliamentarians. Moderate parliamentarians under Cromwell won leadership of the movement and crushed the radicals, who couldn't unify despite their squabbles

@tisFrancesfault

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Blazo_Djurovic This is a mischaracterisation of Cromwell. He contrary to popular view was not seeking to aggrandise himself. he Certainly did try to for a functional Parliament . It just didnt work out a number of times. Now was he like some Stalin/napoleon. The vast majority of his power and effort was to try and curtail a 3rd civil war. The factionalism in the army, and intense divisions in parliament.

Thank you for the work you put into these films. Seriously

Always good to see another documentary on this subject.

Aaah, one of my odd little specialities! Well done! The 'Ranters', the nudist colonies and other wondeful post civil war independants are just glorious in their variety! Honest John Lilburne was a true treasure. I still raise a glass for that man!

@anarchomando7707

2 жыл бұрын

Wait nudist colonies?

@AtunSheiFilms

2 жыл бұрын

Joseph Misinec Oh yeah. Nudists, hedonists, vegans... it was a party, man

@anarchomando7707

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtunSheiFilms wow

@avispartan4795

2 жыл бұрын

@@anarchomando7707 Yes, pretty much every distinctive social phenomenon you associate with modern 'radical' movements was already present in the late Middle Ages within the Protestant Reformation. From mystical anarchists preaching sexual liberation to Congregationalist nerds splitting over minor doctrinal differences to Anabaptist Stalinists running Munster as a totalitarian regime.

@stalfithrildi5366

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtunSheiFilms Vegans eh? So my answer to the "what if you were marooned on a desert island..." question ought to be "I would simply try and impose myself on the Massachusett population as much as possible"

This was wonderful. It truly gave me a new perspective on the Puritan's ideological legacy. Thank you.

Literally just did the diggers last lesson... Absolutely brilliant as always Atun Shei!

You've been killing it and to have a collab like this, ofh thus is the chef's kiss please stay strong and don't get lost in the sauce

Andy, I absolutely love how you shifted your accent from what we know as the VVitchfinder-General to a more modern accent blended in, showing the shift in language. I was hoping you would and you did not disappoint, as you never do, sir, 🙂

This was great! I really reminded me of the old school documentaries the History Channel used to air before they became the "ancient aliens"/"pawnstars" channel. It goes to show that humans are complicated and can both radical progressives and superstitious conservatives

@RogueBoyScout

9 ай бұрын

To be fair, there is not so many WW2/Nazi documentaries you can make before you need to look "outward" for inspiration to validate your existence as a "top tier" cable channel (my god the bile that term produces in this context)

This was a challenging and thought provoking piece. Great collaboration as well!

I love coming back to this video and watching Atun-Shei struggle to try and dig through sod and presumably some rather hard clay. Something about it is so incredibly calming.

weak ending imo, a better one would be: "Thou art a wretched sinner, utterly unworthy of God's love A fountain of pollution is deep within thy nature and thou livest as a winter tree; unprofitable, fit only to be hewed down and burt Steep thy life in prayer and hope that God sees fit to show mercy on th y corrupted soul"

This was the best representation of the story I've heard so far. The epilog was particularly interesting. In the AP US history course the trials and puritan New England are kept separate revolutionary ideas. This video outlined the transition from descentors of the Anglican Church, to English subjugation, to descentors of the throne, marvelously. Good show chap.

no words, just an absolute masterpiece. Atun-Shei and Knowing better are the only history tubers who can make an hour long vid and keep me glued to the screen!

This was a hell of a video. Really gave me a more nuanced view of the Puritan Pilgrims that I never learned in school.

Puritan: “For an Arminian is the spawn of a Papist” Free Will Baptist: “Say that again motherflipper, I dare you”

@astrobullivant5908

2 жыл бұрын

The Flushing Remonstrance was a crucial precursor to the First Amendment of The Constitution, and Arminius' followers were called "Remonstrants." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flushing_Remonstrance

@alanpennie8013

2 жыл бұрын

@@astrobullivant5908 The word "Protestant" was already taken. But you've gotta keep on protesting.

@YouthGuyGav

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda are though

@pink_kino

2 жыл бұрын

Puritan chad😂😂

@pink_kino

2 жыл бұрын

@@alanpennie8013 they were Protestant tho?

Utter home run, Atun Shei sir et al. I wish my American history classes in school were like this and covered what was covered here. ALSO, I AM 40+YEARS-OLD, SO WHY AM I ONLY FINDING OUT NOW THAT PILGRIMS DID *NOT* WEAR BUCKLES ON THEIR HATS?? This is more embarassing than when I realized at 40 that pickels are just cucumbers (not some mystery vegetable).

@khameriengibson1975

2 жыл бұрын

the government is lying to you, pickles are totally a separate fruit grown in mysterious farms :)

@burninsherman1037

Жыл бұрын

I got lucky in school and had a couple good history teachers. One, though, I didn't get his hs history class, but instead was in his sociology and economics classes. The other was a Vietnam vet who took pains to teach an accurate version of that atrocious war, and straight up told us that it was completely pointless, and a waste of life as soon as a few kids started talking about how badass he was for fighting in it.

@Research0digo

Жыл бұрын

"pickels" ?

@antonnurwald5700

Жыл бұрын

I think the pickles are slightly more embarrassing.

@michaelgalloway9362

Жыл бұрын

@@antonnurwald5700 Oh, sure. But weird all those producers of all those TV shows, movies, decorations, etc won't stop depicting Pilgrims wrong. Shame at being wrong and loss of profits if customers feel shame at being wrong is the reason I'm guessing.

So educational and fascinating! Genuinely learned so much!

It is not often that so many history creators I enjoy on KZread join forces on a video. Thanks Atun-Shei, et al, for the excellent video. I particularly enjoyed the pronunciation on the 17th century English qoutes!

Wow, this was huge, and it paid off tenfold. Outstanding. I hope to see more productions like these despite the fact that the scriptwriting alone must have taken ages. Shine on you magnificent man, SHINE ON!!!

This is a legit professional level documentary o_o

@therand0mchannle350

2 жыл бұрын

And we got this for free

Excellent content, per usual. Thanks for going through the trouble to make this for us!

Amazing stuff! And it's so cool to hear the voices of some of my favourite content creators.

This was a well constructed argument, and an hour long history of Puritanism is awesome. Good video.

Fantastic - I think when folks tell the story of this era from an Anglo-centric perspective, it should be done in this way.

@miguelservetus9534

2 жыл бұрын

Could you expand your idea?

@pink_kino

2 жыл бұрын

What u mean? It should be Angloscentric or not?

@tristanband4003

2 жыл бұрын

@@pink_kino Generally it shouldn't, but if one must this is an example of anglo-centrism done right.

This was amazing I’m definitely sharing this with everyone I know, amazing work!

This is like a historical documentary made for Adult Swim's 2am timeslot on some random Thursday night. But in all seriousness, I just discovered your channel last night and I'm hooked. Already watched at least 1/10th of your videos, keep up the good work!

Absolutely loved this. I knew so little of Puritans before coming to the United States, what lead to the witchhunts, how quick they became ashamed of them and their later political legacy. ¡excelente trabajo! Saludos de las tierras australes de Chile.

As someone who lives in the historic town your American Sudbury was presumably named after, I salute you Andy. I do enjoy learning more about these sorts of things

The writing in this was really colorful but concise. It made it super easy to understand both the chronology of events and the ideas at and context at play. Excellent stuff!

Atun-Shei thank you so much for this. It was awesome.

Such an incredible video. A cogent, well sourced argument, engaging script, and perfectly timed visuals and music. It’s great to hear someone talking in such detail about a time in history so often forgotten, I was so excited hearing you quote Rainsborough from the Putney Debates, having quoted that same section for a paper of my own. Keep up the great work!

Wild & Groovy!✌ Thank you very much for teaching me the history of the Puritans! I enjoy it immensely! Let the narratives in the video know what a great job they did!👍 I like the way you used the camera and the film effect of the video!😜🎥 Great job!✋ I hope to see more videos your great talent🙏

@WoWBaxter

2 жыл бұрын

First?

@brandonshore984

2 жыл бұрын

How tf you comment 9 hours ago and the video says it was posted 14 seconds ago💀

@camdennorris7548

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonshore984 patreon

@ChaseMcCain81

2 жыл бұрын

Eh

@ipadair7345

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonshore984 patreon or something like that probably.

Great work❤️I always love to learn new stuff on your channel and expand my knowledge of history.Thanks from Germany #WhoDat🏈⚜️

Bravo! Such a unique vision, and great story telling.

Extensive research, a wide and diverse panel of some of my favorite history youtubers, thoroughly engaging content from start to finish... Bravo Atun-Shei sir, bravo. You never cease to amaze and captivate me, and you certainly never disappoint. Eagerly anticipating your next video. Always a pleasure to hear from you. And thank you for the upload.

Do Quakers next. I'd love to see a video on Benjamin Lay!

@katiem.3109

2 жыл бұрын

That would be awesome. The puritans may have been fairly progressive for their time, but the Quakers blew them completely out of the water in that regard.

Love the conscious emulating of A Field in England, a fantastic short film. I'll always be a moderate royalist and staunchly Anglican, but I respect this very, very fine redemption of the Puritan movement.

Not only is this the best video that I've seen from you, but it's possibly the best History video on KZread.