You hit the nail on the head, if the story is good then wtf is the problem 😂

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Exactly and even if you don’t think these stories are masterpieces. Idk how anyone could consider any of the games mentioned to have a straight up “bad” story

@erth8096

8 ай бұрын

​​​@@EightUltraThe problem is that I'm paying for the game, not for the cutscene simulator. When 30-40% of the game is some sort of cutscene, it really pisses me off. Let me play the fucking game. I don't want to just sit there with my controller and hit X when the game tells me to. If I want a good story, I'd go watch some movies or TV shows, not some generic games. Also, the amount of money, time, and effort they put into the video game story and cutscene could be very well used for other gameplay mechanics and bug fixes. Go play any older games; most of it was gameplay with just enough storytelling to keep you interested in the world. This Spiderman 2 game story is nowhere near as good as Spiderman movies and TV shows I wish they spent more time making cool bosses than this lame ass movie game.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

@@erth8096 agree to disagree lol

@riastradh

8 ай бұрын

@@erth8096bro chose every bad opinion

@wuuna4575

8 ай бұрын

@@erth8096ignorant

Ion really mind story based and more gameplay centered games. I love almost any type of game

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Same here goat I can pretty much play any game as long as the main focus of it is good

As long as the time spent in cutscenes doesn’t overtake my time in gameplay I’m chill

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Facts. Also w souls pfp

"Movie game" just seems like a term used as an insult or to misrepresent something to be honest. This new wave of people pretending games aren't game is just weird. You have to play them and there is gameplay, they are literally games.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it definitely comes off that way for sure and there’s rarely ever any genuine reasoning behind it

A “movie game” to me isn’t defined by the amount of cutscenes but how interactable the game is in general. For example if the “gameplay” is mostly scripted sequences or following a set path I would say that is a “movie game”. Also if the game is story focused but has no choices or endings the player can make I don’t really understand the purpose.

Now we wait for the new update to add replayability

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Need NG+ so bad 😭

Really great video! It made me actually think about this and I guess my conclusion is if the actual game and fun for the player is prioritized over the story then I don’t mind cutscenes, like in MGS:TPP….. I wanted so much MORE cutscenes haha and just more story missions with that gameplay in general ;-; But with the trend of cinematic games I do wonder if it’s taken game innovation the wrong way. There’s more of a focus on capturing actors and realism rather than gameplay and level design. The industry prioritizes the wrong things sometimes (not saying gameplay is ignored, but yk devs might be more concerned about elements fitting their story first rather than making the funnest game they can etc)

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

100% agreed! And thank you! I love very “gamey games” (for lack of a better word) like Doom Eternal or Nunja Gaiden. Where gameplay is king and not everything is done for the sake of realism but for the sake of fun. Triple A games definitely need to take more risks, and the fear of not appealing to the widest possible audience certainly holds them back a lot of the time. Even in the case of SM1 which I love.

@turboChet

8 ай бұрын

​@@EightUltra I see what you mean, but at the same time the combat in these spiderman games are great

People ignore these games are multifaceted experiences and pretend they have no gameplay for some odd reason

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Facts it’s really strange

I don't have a problem with story games, as long as the gameplay is good enough it's fine, but when not only the gameplay is lacking AND the story is mid (poorly written, bad pacing or and this might be personal but I kinda dislike it when a story game doesn't use the unique ways a game can tell a story in comparison to like movies or books and it kinda makes me like it less) Thats when I start having problems with "story" games ALSO ASURAS WRATH MENTIONED RAAAAAAAAA GOOAAAAAAT

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Well damn I mean at that point that’s just straight up a bad game 💀 But I get you and YEAH BOI STILL HOPING FOR THAT REMASTER

@Castigar48

6 ай бұрын

I just want a skip cutscene button. In every game made ever

This is why i always defended witcher 3 literally peak story mid combat peak open world Also ASURAS WRATH MENTIONED RAHHHHHHH

movie game did mean a game based off a movie, and those usually ended up pretty bad,

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Those were movie licensed games though people mean something different nowadays

As a PS1 gamer. This conversation mattered back in the PS2 days. Back in the PS3 era people understood that licensed games sucked and that genera is almost dead today. As for cutscenes. Nah, too broad. Persona 5 for example is basically pure cutscenes with few moments of gameplay with your personas. And even games that are the gods of Gameplay, like the DMC series, it’s still full of cutscenes. I can finish the games 1 per sitting, but if I don’t skip cutscenes I basically double my playtime. Even if those games are kings of cutscenes. If anything the part that matters is the quality of the gameplay. You got games like Telltale that always force you to press buttons, but the effort is minimal making the game basically a playable story. Meanwhile on Ghost of Tsushima, you can perfect parry, perfect dodge only, be stealthy or even just switching stances 24/7 to make crazy combos. Thankfully, the conversa here feels more like a topic of a crazy cult in discord. Cause “movie games” by cutscene amount is the kind of topic that only comes from a 8 year old hating on singleplayer games because he plays Fortnite/Warzone 24/7 and by technicality all you do is gameplay with 0 story because of the nature of Mcdonalds online gaming.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

PS1 was my first console as well and I totally agree.

You are right about the Insomniac Spider-Man games. I don't get how how they have been recently getting complaints, even though the previous games barely received any. People be complaining about anything tbh. Spider-Man 2 is a amazing game. Like I get if games are clearly more story oriented than gameplay oriented. But Insomniacs Spiderman? It has a perfect blend of both as well as amazing quick time events. Every time I get a cutscene in most story games it feels rewarding and exciting. People are tripping.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Exactly it’s like people turn their brains off when a cutscene appears, and the complaints about 2 that weren’t made about 1 despite 2 being better in almost every way is so weird.

FF16 is the best game I have ever played in my life. This game just hits everything right, the combat, the story, the soundtrack, and the cutscene transitions are just so crisp and nice. FF16 is one of the best games ever released I cannot lie.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Massive W FF16 was Ana absolutely insane experience definitely a GOTY contender

I haven’t played many bad movie games

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Same here in my experience they’re typically really good

Wouldn’t Metal Gear Solid 4 be a movie game then?

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Most people would probably say no because it seems “movie game” just means “bad sorry focused game” to them.

Also there are a lot of entitled people who complain about anything 😅

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

That’s a fact 😭

@Mojavekight17

8 ай бұрын

@@EightUltra I love devil may cry 😁 dmc1 needs a remake

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

@@Mojavekight17 I would do ANYTHING I’VE BEEN SAYING IT NEEDS A REMAKE FOR YEARS IT WOULD BE SO GOOD 😭

@Mojavekight17

8 ай бұрын

@@EightUltra how would it work since dmc1 is like a resident evil and dmc we know, tough balancing between the 2

For me, it's not that hate alot of cutscenes, I only mind it when the gameplay in between us boring, but when it's like spiderman 2, super fun gameplay between the cutscenes, I really don't care

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

I agree at the end of the day it’s a game and the gameplay should be good

I personally domt care how good the story is If the story takes me away from the gameplay which makes me feel immersed then its not worth it Im not spending 90 to 100 dollars to sit down and watch There must be a healthy balance and i cant say that for every game since it's a case by case basis

@EightUltra

7 ай бұрын

That’s fine but some people enjoy every aspect of a game not just one

@Xerxez_Official

7 ай бұрын

@@EightUltra exactly that's why I said case by case basis It's like building something Every piece needs to go somewhere and fit together or its gonna collapse in on itself

Doing something risky, are we?

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Gotta say my peace I’m tired of the slander 😭

So to kinda argue with you here, tbf a lot of people's criticism of movie games isn't because the stories are too good. Ragnarok comes to mind as a story thats just messy with shallow gameplay and weak puzzles So the combat isn't great, the story isnt great, the enemy and level design isnt great, the puzzle design isnt great, so why Should i buy it? Hell to me it's not even the gameplay. I think asuras wrath is amazing, but man the gameplay is .. Not great lol But the story and world absolutely makes up for that. To me SOMETHING about your game needs to be great, and I'd argue a lot of these cinematic games are just a lot of.. Mid. Though i also have a different definition. Like i wouldnt say spiderman is a movie game at all

Okay what are my problems with story games Forced slow downs like walking or dialog that stops you while gameplay thats just bad I don’t like too long cutscenes like in Final Fantasy or the Xenoblade games because I have my fingers at my controller desperately waiting to push buttons Also when narrative is pushed over gameplay like in God of war 2018 and Ragnarök like those games feel like a deevolution gameplay wise compared to 1-3

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely agreed on the first one forced walk and talk sections need to go I’m fine with long cutscenes as long as they’re pre-rendered if they want me to watch long cutscenes they should at least be visually really nice I’m ok with narrative over gameplay as long as the narrative is great and the gameplay is at least good

@Castigar48

6 ай бұрын

Bro these devs just need to realize "cutscene skip"....problem solved

I just want the gameplay to be also cared for , Something that i can enjoy and have fun with even when i finish the story 2018 gow wasn't it , The gameplay was really underwhelming and i only found like 2-3 of the upgrades actually fun (The laser was boring who thought that was a good idea?) Same with horizon zero dawn , It looked pretty but the gameplay was somewhat underwhelming

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Yeah GOW is so divisive because a lot of people love the more rpg route the series has gone into but a lot of people who loved the OG games were disappointed by the simplified and more clunky combat

Some people (including me) don't like too much cutscenes in a game because it's underutilising the strength of video game as a medium. Games are supposed to be interactive and players are supposed to have agency. Too much cutscenes (either in length or quantity) butcher the pacing of the gameplay and bore us the dead. Movie games are usually the bane of interesting gameplay, which should be the core of a game. If they're kept being praised by journalists or casuals and get awards after awards, companies will focus on them instead of gameplay. Sony is already leading that trend with their boring exclusives. At least they're not too deep in it like Kojima.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

I can agree to some extent especially in regards to pacing or making shallow gameplay to try and appeal to as many people as possible. But while I love plenty of non “movie games” I haven’t played any bad exclusives. (Tho TLOU2 exists lol) I’m a big fan of Bloodborne, Demon Souls, Spider-Man, GOT and etc

@MaidenlessScrub

8 ай бұрын

@@EightUltra didn't say Sony exclusives are bad. They're just not that great either. At least most have serviceable combat.

@doccalis3150

8 ай бұрын

@@EightUltra L take from u lmao. TLOU2 is great. Too many of ya'll dont form ur own actual opinions, and just jump on the bandwagon sheep train of people who cant understand bold story beats.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

@@doccalis3150 Sure buddy lol

dude everythign your saying if fuking spot on dude idk man we have ppl that think peter parker corrupted venom .................and im gonna leave it at that

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

Insanity 😭

I think its fine to be a "movie-game" but just let me skip cutscenes and anything that isnt the core gameplay, like when im playing new god of war I just wanna skip to the parts that have the core gameplay.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

For sure and especially on NG+ when you e already seen all the cutscenes. And forced walking and talking sections need to GO

@dudem8guy

8 ай бұрын

@@EightUltra Yeah and I think thats what people mean by movie games, forced walking and forcing you to do something much more shallow then the actual core gameplay.

@erth8096

8 ай бұрын

Bro I feel you I hate these movie games if they give me option to skip all cutscene from setting I'd turn that on in heartbeat. When I was playing GOW R all I could think was Kratos please stop Vining like a bitch and let's kill some fuckin gods.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

@@erth8096 cringe

I love story "movie" games. If a game doesn't have strong story or character I probably won't look twice at it, and I probably prioritise story over gameplay. I even like games with little gameplay or as some people dub them as "walking simulators" Such as Life is Strange and A Plague Tale. But if someone doesn't want or interested in the story and just want to press buttons then movie games aren't going to be enjoyable for them, especially those who don't enjoy much story or downtime in their gameplay. And game which do have along movierun time usually have lots of gameplay as well. When I am not enjoying or vibing with the game's story such as FFXVI as a recent example (it didn't vibe with me and I had a multitude of problems with the story and characters that it wasn't enjoyable) I found that when I realised I wasn't enjoying myself and when it switched to the long ass cutscenes I found myself getting bored and found myself wanting to go back to pressing buttons and gameplay.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

I can enjoy pretty much any style of game wether it be gameplay focused, story focused or a balance of the two but I feel what you mean. I also really love great stories and characters Idk why that seems to be an under appreciated aspect of games

I don’t hate movie-game but if the story is rushed in I can tell it’s rushed then that’s when we need evaluate and think about the story theses games are trying to tell. God of war 2018 for example. I can’t bring myself to play or watch this game because it’s very boring most of the time As oppose to Spider-Man miles morales or spider-man 2018 where even in the cutscenes the game keeps me interested. This where games like horizon zero dawn, God of war 2018 even spider-man 2 ps5 fall flat with their story imo.

@EightUltra

8 ай бұрын

I can’t speak on GOW since im not really a GOW fan but yeah I agree tho I do love the story of SM2 even if I felt it could’ve been longer