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“while bojack and everyone else makes the audience comfortable being broken, diane makes the audience uncomfortable that they’re not doing anything about it.” harsh truth

@asias3000

2 жыл бұрын

they spilled

@notaburneraccount

2 жыл бұрын

That quote is excellent.

@theeternalslayer

2 жыл бұрын

I love the writing in this show, we expected bojack to fuck things up and be a shitty person you know what you're getting into. we held Diane to a standard she held herself too wich you can tell was effective and intentional. They see her as A massive hypocrite. She's the hero of the tale trying to do what's right for everyone but one thing that I liked about this storytelling is almost always about the hero's own conflict is, If Diane is everyone's hero and pillar of support who's saving her when she crumbles?

@samgelman846

2 жыл бұрын

I relate to this so much in my personal life, wow. I'd rather talk about my problems than actually do something. gotta lot of work to do...

@mariotuber2866

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly don't understand people who feel comfortable with relating to him anyway. I sure don't

Diane has repeatedly said that she doesn't like grand romantic gestures. It should have surprised no one that she didn't like the belle room.

@googoogaga7986

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY! And it was a precious thing to her, she doesn’t want to have to share it !

@doctorwholover1012

3 жыл бұрын

It was a moment that really hit me. Diane was vulnerable for a moment and shared something special with him, something that was her secret, and she handed it to Mr. PB, trusting him to keep it safe for her, and he made a massive deal about it, and shared it with the people he hired to put it together for him. Especially considering Diane’s history of surprises (just look at her brothers surprising her with their homeless man pretending to be her pen pal, or the ‘funeral’ plans they made for their father etc) I was entirely unsurprised when Diane lost it in that moment, bc it made perfect sense if you followed her character’s setup. What Mr. PB did was basically the equivalent of completely taking apart and reconstructing a cherished childhood keepsake after being given it to look at/hold. Diane wanted him to share the item with him, not have him completely take over and revamp it into a version that makes sense to him. And I can’t believe people call her out for it like it was unreasonable. Her outbursts of anger and discomfort around situations that trigger her (being left alone at parties, being surprised with big elaborate things/events, not being consulted before life changing decisions within her relationships etc) can all be traced back very easily to her childhood trauma, and acting as if it’s unreasonable for her to not want to participate in those things because “they’re just (parties/surprises/etc) chill out” is so dismissive, bc you wouldn’t tell someone with war PTSD to just “get over” being triggered by fireworks sounding like gunfire, or someone with survivors guilt who lost someone in a car accident refusing to be driven anywhere bc they need to be behind the wheel to feel safe, etc. you’d understand, and if you didn’t understand, you’d still respect their boundaries and you wouldn’t call them irrational or overly sensitive etc. Diane exhibits very obvious fight/flight/freeze tendencies throughout the show depending on how well she can handle/cope with each situation. She often chooses fight (in this case, arguments = fight) with things like surprises/parties with Mr. PB or Bojack, she chose flight when dealing with stuff like Cordovia and her own insecurities and failures, and occasionally we can see freeze/meltdowns, like at the prom when she just sobbed, or failing to write her book etc. in fact, the way that she changes stress response based on the differences in the situations makes her MORE realistic, not badly written or inconsistent. People don’t react to the same trigger the exact same way every single time, bc often the trigger happens in a variety of situations, all of which have their own obstacles to deal with, so the subconscious picks the first one that has the easiest path at the time and guns it.

@jazzy7559

3 жыл бұрын

I understand that but Mr. PB wanted her to feel like the house was her’s too. The entire time they were buying the house she just seemed disconnected. It felt that way the whole time they were together. I’m not saying PB was right but it felt like he tried because he was scared she was gonna leave. That whole marriage felt a little one sided because she constantly seemed like she wanted to be unhappy( I know that’s not the case). But I like Diane she alright, but she just constantly forces this unhappiness instead trying to figure it out

@siniayab.6816

3 жыл бұрын

@@jazzy7559 she was depressed.

@jazzy7559

3 жыл бұрын

@@siniayab.6816 at the time I wrote this I was only on the beginning of season three so I understood Diane was depressed and my opinion changed a little

I never saw Diane's unappreciated advice as "high and mighty", because to be honest she was usually spitting straight facts

@prehistoriccreature1800

9 ай бұрын

wrong

@bigbootyboy420

8 ай бұрын

Exactly

@bigbootyboy420

8 ай бұрын

@@prehistoriccreature1800me when I don’t understand the show and watch too much Andrew tate

@Philosopher-Z-

7 ай бұрын

​@@prehistoriccreature1800let me guess...because woman? Right?

@GlacialScion

7 ай бұрын

It also doesn't make sense to hate her for it when she struggles just as hard to meet her own standards as everyone else does. Like yeah, she's hypocritical, but so's everyone except for Sarah Lynn.

in a lot of ways I feel like diane was written to be the female counterpart of bojack with a lot of issues stemming from her childhood like bojack. except since she’s an asian woman she’s not allowed to act up like bojack when she’s confronted with her issues bc it would destroy her life. we can see this when she’s ridiculed for acting out even in small ways. so instead she’s forced to deal with and work through her issues all on her own. while she wants to be a good person it takes her time to work through her issues to do so and allow herself to be happy

@PeachyKeeners

2 жыл бұрын

so well said

@trigremlin

Жыл бұрын

female counterpart, yeah she does the same shit but doesn't have any of the consequences to deal with. fuck diane!

@evanderzufarsetiawan2511

Жыл бұрын

​@I Love God Amen that is true and people will be less harsher with her

@user-sf9gs2pg1b

Жыл бұрын

She’s my favorite character. I watched the whole show across weeks without looking at commentary or anything, so I figured everyone also liked her. I was so wrong 💀

@dd-uf9nw

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-sf9gs2pg1b i watched show without seeing or reading any commentary on the show and i used to think I would be the only one who hates her.

The fans: Diane is awful!! Bojack: almost slept with a literal teenager

@mikaelaanderson3342

3 жыл бұрын

Bojack: nearly strangled a woman to death

@MsSarahJosephine

3 жыл бұрын

BoJack: Waited 17 minutes.

@graemee

3 жыл бұрын

Bojack: Had sex with a girl that looked up to him as a father figure.

@noonebossesthegarnet2890

3 жыл бұрын

Bojack: Sabotaged his best friend’s rock opera

@daniella6575

3 жыл бұрын

@@MsSarahJosephine i’m never going to get over that.

I think a lot of the hatred also comes from the fact that in most shows, Diane would be the "mother/angel" figure who would only be there to try and help Bojack be a better person. In that role, she can't have flaws. What's brilliant about this show is that the writers refused to take that route, and instead made Diane a fully human character with her own shitty behaviors. But the audience isn't used to that, and I think most of this Diane hatred comes from their confusion.

@astoldbynickgerr

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@deepdaddy1208

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, we constantly see a character telling everyone else that they are shitty, meanwhile no one mentioned once to her that she was shitty she was too, people just dont like hypocrites, it has nothing to do with gender

@hopoffmydick9574

4 жыл бұрын

@@deepdaddy1208 it has everything to do with gender. Bojack does the exact same thing, he calls people out all the time, and yet he's a horrible person himself. Diane is aware of how shitty she is, there's an entire episode about it when she's writing her novel. Bojack even outright says that he and her are the same person. The only difference is that he's a man, and he's seen as sympathetic, while she's a woman, and seen as whiny or selfish.

@0quin0

3 жыл бұрын

They pretty much want her to be the manic pixie dream girl but the writers fucking rule so they gave her actual character.

@PlanetZoidstar

3 жыл бұрын

@@hopoffmydick9574 People don't like Dianne because she's a preachy hypocrite who thinks she's better than the people around her. People don't like being preached to. It has nothing to do with gender, if Dianne was male I wouldn't like her anymore. Dianne gets better but it takes a very long time. That and she is the writer's mouthpiece.

i had no idea people hated diane so much, so incredibly ironic considering the amounts of topics that discuss misogyny within the show

@FunnyMannager

2 жыл бұрын

Tf does that have to with misogyny?

@GigaChadh976

2 жыл бұрын

Remember it is impossible to dislike a woman without being misogynistic. Ghilsane maxwell? Isla Koch? Hate these people? You’re a misogynist

@rattttooooo

2 жыл бұрын

@@GigaChadh976 that is not what they are saying, dont twist what they said to conform to the inner anger you clearly feel towards the issue.

@justjoshua5759

2 жыл бұрын

@@rattttooooo but it’s disingenuous to presume misogyny as if that’s the only reason people will hate her. Sure I get what op was going for and there are misogynistic aspects to this Diane hate. But please let’s not use this as a “get out of jail accountability card” which is what assuming it’s all misogynistic does.

@rattttooooo

2 жыл бұрын

@@justjoshua5759 its not all misogynistic, and there is a whole video explaining that too, they havent even mentioned misogyny in it. But people are completely disregarding the side of this issue that is definitely misogynistic, whether people realize this or not. They just see the word and deem the opinion invalid. Its annoying.

I, unfortunately, cannot ignore the rather simpler reason for the rejection of Diane and not Bojack- misogyny. She's the "crazy woman" and he is "misunderstood." She is supposed to better because women simply aren't allowed to be seen before they are "better". Even their imperfections must be positively charged like Princess Carolyn- constantly staying committed to fixing the Bojacks of the world, "killing it at work" by exhausting yourself and having an equally strong contrasting motherly instinct but the self sufficiency to do it alone.

@magnum3725

Жыл бұрын

I have seen plenty of men in a similar situation to Diane, pretending it's a patriarchy issue is silly

@natasha5553

Жыл бұрын

@@magnum3725 men suffer from patriarchy too

@natasha5553

Жыл бұрын

@@magnum3725 also quit it with the whataboutism

@chaseatlanticfan6553

Жыл бұрын

@@magnum3725 but i believe that man are cut more slack and if they do both and are exhausted they are”super dads” for a woman that’s her job she’s a mother it’s expected of her ,not saying its gender wars out there but it’s more comfort coated for a man

@sheehase

5 ай бұрын

Hahaha

I loved Diane, she’s one of the few female characters I’ve been able to connect to. Her character was written as a person and not a two dimensional mother figure we’re used to seeing in her place. A lot of people in the comments have brought up how people have projected their own issues on to Diane and I agree; Diane was not written to fix Bojack and she refuses to do so as the show progress, this clearly has pissed audience members off because they see it as her neglecting Bojack rather than seeing that it’s not her job to fix him.

@JaredJonesAZ

3 жыл бұрын

She's one of the few characters in television I relate to

@ilisten2thecureandcry

3 жыл бұрын

this is so true. diane actually has depth and more to her then just mental illness or looks which i really appreciate. and this is so true, even at the end i was like why can’t they just be friends why is she being like that but then i had to realize how much bojack out her through and see she was just trying to be okay and be happy

@camilaribeiro82

3 жыл бұрын

I love Diane! I see myself on her

@leahtiberini9803

3 жыл бұрын

I thought about a similar topic while rewatching BJH and realized that a lot of people who hate diane are because they relate their bad decisions and desires to Bojack's in the show. Which brings us back to why people hate her, they are mad that she didn't save bojack because they want someone like diane to save them and it hurts to see the true reality that no one is made simply for the fact of saving or fixing a person. People on this planet are not objects to own or play with, which was a huge plot in Bojack. Everyone has their own life that does not revolve around bojack or the viewer. So the people who hate diane need to look further into their life and figure out why? Perhaps they have a diane in their life?

@prehistoricorchid3455

3 жыл бұрын

i think it has a lot to do with the way people villainize female characters that aren't 2d sex objects or mother figures. especially if they share similar flaws as a beloved male character

wait, people hate diane? She’s the most relatable character in the show. Half the time she’s a vessel for the audience when she’s dealing with bojack

@sockvine35

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree! wtf, I never knew people hated Diane...

@unnatib999

3 жыл бұрын

@@sockvine35 fr

@Detective_Grav

3 жыл бұрын

@@sockvine35 same

@hydrogenina

3 жыл бұрын

IKR, I watched the show recently with my boyfriend and when he told me that Diane was hated I was very surprised! I mean, I get why people don't like her, but she is very essential in the show and also is the one who says the most accurate things (how depression feels, why she is feminist, etc)

@MK-ophelia

2 жыл бұрын

@@doctordragon9798 I'm a self hating person who relates to Diane, and I love her. I think the real reason is just good old-fashioned misogyny.

In regards to her Post-Cordovia period staying at Bojack’s, I saw her breakdown as a form of PTSD. She literally watched people die in front of her. She was in a war zone. Even when Wanda wakes her up on the patio, her first words are her screaming “Kinko!” As if she was having a nightmare about his death. Don’t forget she grew really attached to him. She was more than likely mourning those people and processing trauma she experienced. That made her extremely human to me. She couldn’t handle being in a war zone and then felt immense guilt for leaving all those people to die.

@irlmeow

Жыл бұрын

i really feel like they shouldve touched on that more!! i think it defo impacted her in more ways than we were shown on screen

@danielapardo9776

7 ай бұрын

​@@irlmeowdefinetely, it felt a little brushed off. They treated her more like: oh this lazy bum won't go home, what a mess. And made it about her issues. They should have delve more into the actual trauma she went through.

@tiffanyblack505

5 ай бұрын

This is so valid! I never really thought of it that way

@BratzRockAngels

3 ай бұрын

That too. I was actually kinda frustrated at Duane for not telling Mr Peanut Butter about wanting to come home, it would've definitely been hard but it's better than to lie for months about her being there. But the trauma thing totally makes sense, it would be difficult for her to come to terms with everything. I feel like even if she did lie, she could've discussed her trauma with Mr Peanut Butter, and it wouldn't have been a hindrance to their relationship and communication.

I relate to diane more than anyone else in these series, feeling like I have to be stable and help "fix" others who are broken, while finding out I'm horribly depressed and not meant to. Why do people hate her so much? Was she not allowed to be human and to want to better herself too?

@notaburneraccount

2 жыл бұрын

Right? It so weird that Bojack, a horse, is given more grace. She should be allowed to mess up. We all mess up. No one is saying that those mess ups are okay but not valid to the point of literal hate.

@brzt4256

2 жыл бұрын

It's really simple to see why people hate her. I'm sure you *do* understand, but you just disagree. Simply put, BoJack is the titular character and the protagonist of the series. Whether he's a 'good' or a 'bad' person doesn't really matter (and in fact a big theme of the series is figuring out these words are not really useful, since all characters are a mix), what matters is that he's the one driving the plot forwards. Inevitably, a lot of people are going to identify with this character purely because we are experiencing most of the events through him. Since Diane (and to an extent, many other characters) acts as an antagonist to BoJack, this will already make her more disliked simply by virtue of 'blocking' BoJack's actions. The rest of the dislike will come from a variety of sources: either people genuinely sympathise with BoJack or they have a genuine problem with people whose flaws are similar to Diane's (she's sanctimonious, meddlesome, yet at the same time craven and self-serving). There are good reasons to dislike Diane, even if you like her character.

@trigremlin

2 жыл бұрын

Everything Diane does is at the expense of someone else, that is why I dislike her.

@Jzombi301

2 жыл бұрын

@@brzt4256 this is exactly what i was thinking

@Jzombi301

2 жыл бұрын

@@trigremlin are they tho? and is Bojack not the exact same way?

I never knew people didn't like Diane until now. I always assumed she was a well-received character.

@djolemacola

4 жыл бұрын

ye with such high quality writing and an important role in the show dynamic, hard to understand loving the show and not her as well...

@beyondviolet

4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Mechano that’s what happens when you write realistic characters: there’s always going to be people that don’t like them because not everyone sees things the way they do

@shyeline5007

4 жыл бұрын

Me too!

@jenmonroe6044

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@dahntaedeluna

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I always liked her!

“All of the characters have problems” Judah: "I belive this is not accurate."

@yeezus4452

3 жыл бұрын

thats true, the only thing i can think of is when he did something without princess carolyns permission.

@KateNord

3 жыл бұрын

I mean he is a workaholic, so there's that 😅

@shanynacloutier8681

3 жыл бұрын

@@KateNord I thinks he’s on the spectrum

@KateNord

3 жыл бұрын

@@shanynacloutier8681 That's actually a very cool interpretation! 😊

@Catsby83

3 жыл бұрын

@@KateNord he does and enjoys things outside of work. He bikes and has a band. He just cares about being professional. Plus if you like someone you want to be around them.

Sometimes, a hypocrite is nothing more than a person in the process of changing

@TGOArchive

Жыл бұрын

To be old and wise, you have to be young and stupid.

@ianjackson9852

9 ай бұрын

- Dalinar Kholin, “The Stormlight Archive” (Brandon Sanderson)

@dewolf123

8 ай бұрын

No they are not, a hypocrite is simply a hypocrite and nobody likes a person who is inconsistent all the time especially with their beliefs. It's the reason religion gets a bad rap because it is literally a safe haven for hypocrites.

@riyakar6806

7 ай бұрын

​@@dewolf123Well said

@justtowatchstuff

7 ай бұрын

@@dewolf123you sound slow little buddy

Honestly I feel like the reason people hated Diane is because she didn’t sugar coat things. She was upfront and honest with Bojack when he was being a dick and not a lot of people like that.

@Danonino-yb5dh

Жыл бұрын

It's bc she's hypocrite and a SJW. Basically Lisa Simpson

@Reykh24

Жыл бұрын

That's not the reason. It's because she did exactly what Bojack did often. She used her own trauma to hurt others around her, like mr peanut butter.

@adamjustadam

Жыл бұрын

@@Reykh24It is the reason home boy. Get a clue.

@Reykh24

Жыл бұрын

@@adamjustadam it's definitely a mix. The genuine criticism does exist.

@StoutShako

9 ай бұрын

​​@@Reykh24 Her "hurting" Mr. Peanutbutter thanks to her trauma was occasionally yelling at him when he didn't deserve it and then breaking up with him after it became obvious to her that their relationship was probably beyond saving. Bojack's version of hurting the people he loved was threatening his own suicide via asphyxiation to emotionally blackmail his girlfriend into admitting she cared about him, continuously leading on his longest lasting best friend with on again / off again romantic relationships, firing that same best friend when she a serious mistake because his latest crush told him to, abandoning the friend who made him famous and not talking to him until he was literally dying, nearly r@ping his friend's daughter, choking the fuck out of his girlfriend on a drug-fueled rampage, and then having sex with and enabling a girl he knew since she was 6 until she eventually overdosed and died. After setting up an alibi for himself and waiting 17 minutes to call the paramedics, of course! Because his clean image is more important than her DEATH. So, yeah, I can totally see the similarities! They're basically the same!!! /s 😒

Diane and Princess Carolyn are my absolute favorite characters, because of their self-awareness of how broken they are, but still trying to be better and help others be better as well.

@sativaqueen19

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the most admirable thing about a person is truly their willingness to change and become better.

@sharkboydakid6340

2 жыл бұрын

I completely disagree with Diane

@bunersitoos

2 жыл бұрын

@@sharkboydakid6340 yes

@sharkboydakid6340

2 жыл бұрын

@@bunersitoos she’s a hypocrite who knows it and uses that to justify her actions. Which is one the things she calls out bojack for. She is just a shitty person as bj except bj genuinely does try to be better. He goes to rehab. He makes amends where possible. And he makes it up to those people. He did a lot of shitty things but also every time he tried to be better something happened to him

@bunersitoos

2 жыл бұрын

@@sharkboydakid6340 I also disagree w her. Both bojack and Diane are shït, with the difference that bojack wants and tries to change. The only character that i totally love is Todd. Todd is the best 😏 also sorry if i misspelled something, english isnt my first language so XDD

The Belle Room was superficial. It didn’t even have REAL books and the furniture had sharpie smiles on it. It was meaningless. Did Mr Peanutbutter even know what books Diane liked? Diane told him countless times she didn’t like big gestures. She told him she didn’t like parties and he threw her a crazy one on her birthday. He never listened to her. They did love each other, but divorce was inevitable since the proposal. Diane’s flaw is that she worries too much. She wanted to help others so her life had purpose. Naturally, she felt more hopeless when she realized she wasn’t strong enough to help a troubling world. Diane is such a human character. Not many people understand her because they don’t understand depression. At least in the way it manifests in Diane.

@XzoahX

4 жыл бұрын

Right? I thought the scene was brilliant because it so perfectly underscored everything that was wrong in their relationship. All I could do while watching the scene was feel bad for both of them. Mr. Because he had, in theory, done everything right. He'd listened, closely, tried to do something thoughtful that was for her, and about her. And yet... She found it viscerally repulsive and even a bit violating. And I could see that she felt bad for feeling that way, and bad for making Mr. feel bad and bad for things always going that way for them. It was just a painful scene all 'round.

@emt7026

4 жыл бұрын

Woah, that last paragraph made me realize I have that in myself

@OK-lm1hj

4 жыл бұрын

Loida Perez I too worry too much, but I don’t feel so upset that I can’t help people, I just feel depressed almost when I can’t understand why I worry

@cold.raviolis

4 жыл бұрын

I agree so much!!!!

@andreacigala2709

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah in that moment while I understood her visceral repulsion for that gift, I felt she was definitely being insensitive and brutal to him. She could have appreciated the extent to which he'd go with the sole intention of making her happy, which is something with value in itself, even if it was done in a misguided way.

i also hate how people think she’s a bad person for not being there for BoJack in the end, when he needed her the most. for once, he reminded her of herself as she was trying to get better and start her new life in Chicago and on top of that, she just didn’t want to support a literal abuser

@daniapfel2825

Жыл бұрын

Me also so much

@StoutShako

9 ай бұрын

ALSO SHE WAS PROBABLY ASLEEP!!!! IT WAS PROBABLY LIKE 2 IN THE MORNING -- WHY IS IT SO UNBELIEVABLE THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE HONESTLY JUST MISSED IT???

@danielapardo9776

7 ай бұрын

I geniuenely think people are just acting stupid and like the point flew over their heads just to hate on her. Maybe not everyone but there must be. Please excuse my english.

@llRocketll

4 ай бұрын

She realized that he was never her responsibility. As she should. I’ve been Bojack and Diane and I’m very proud of her for how she handled that situation. Bojack is the personification of untreated mental illness and someone who doesn’t want to get better. Someone who’s afraid of not being miserable. Diane is the personification of someone trying to cope with and heal mental illness. She’s not perfect and she falls off sometimes but she always picks herself up when she does. She understands that recovery is not linear. Bojack has been content at rock bottom for a long time. It’s familiar to him.

@llRocketll

4 ай бұрын

@@StoutShakoFr and I’m p sure she’s the reason he was still alive. She woke up a few hours after and called 911. That’s the only reason he was able to be brought back. He drowned and died. She didn’t speak to him till the wedding because he purposefully traumatized her when he knew she was just starting to get her life on track.

I think everybody else in the show is so grotesquely broken that it makes the audience think: oh, at least i'm better than THAT one. Diane, on the other hand, is more realistic that it makes people see themselves in her too vividly. Also, it's easy to hate a solid, "cool" intellectual types, because people think they don't have issues, so when they say they have, others don't believe it and perceive it as 'whining'.

I didn’t even know people hated her. I thought she was a solid character

@arcguardian

3 жыл бұрын

Right? I feel the same way. She was a bit dooshy but so was pretty much everyone.

@asamii8602

3 жыл бұрын

Me too, not really noticed it tbh.

@marcuspolzer5335

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like if you hate Diane you kinda missed the point of the show (or at least one of the points)

@giorgia2533

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcuspolzer5335 At the beginning of the show I thought I hated Diane, and then I realised that her character was the one i resonate the most with, and the explanation to why I had so much of her attitude after Cordovia was because I didn't want to admit to myself that I would’ve done the same exact thing in her situation.

@alyssapinon9670

3 жыл бұрын

@@giorgia2533 I was scared that she would end up being a MPDG who only served to support Bojack so I was pleasantly surprised with the direction her character development went. There were times where I didn’t understand her outbursts and toxic behavior. But looking back I was going through those same things and just didn’t realize I was doing it too. Ex- the Belle library scene. I’ve had people in my family who try to do me “favors” that I never asked for, and sometimes those favors just inadvertently make my life harder. But then I feel selfish for trying to set boundaries and I guess I projected it onto Diane at first.

What her brothers did to her was one of the cruelest things I have ever heard of.

@elswordJagodSroka

3 жыл бұрын

@@afaauu5573 Nobody said it does

@meli1872

3 жыл бұрын

shit sorry what did they do? i cant recall

@BelieveInYourself129

3 жыл бұрын

@@afaauu5573 none of the defense videos ever excuse anything. no one ever says anything shitty is okay because doing something shitty is never ever ever gonna be okay. understanding why it occurred though is always important if you’re ever going to understand someone as everyone does something shitty.

@elianaharden9029

3 жыл бұрын

@@meli1872 they made fake love letters and when she thought she made a friend they invited a homeless man over and took a video of her humiliation and then replayed the video to laugh at it

@meli1872

3 жыл бұрын

@@elianaharden9029 oh shit right i forgot about that. thanksss

Honestly it's people hating characters like Diane that remind me that the majority of people can't tell what high functioning long term depression looks like or how wide it's impact can span and the sacrifices people need to make to be stable after crashing from seeming put together not even to mention the mood shifts it can cause

Diane for me is one of the best tragic characters because her struggles are relatable for me. I didn't find her issues to be overly dramatic; she's not a self destructive celebrity hooked on drugs, she's someone setting themselves standards and struggling to meet them. Who doesn't do that? Her self reflection episodes are as meaningful as Princess Carolyn's. Love seeing someone defending this character.

i feel like she had the most satisfying ending of any of the cast

@ArianaAlexis

4 жыл бұрын

I might agree with that. Thank you for sharing.

@DrWhose

4 жыл бұрын

Imo she has one of the worst (except BoJack)

@davidbjacobs3598

4 жыл бұрын

The moment where she realizes that her inability to write her memoir means her damage wasn't good hit me really hard. I started the episode seeing the title and thinking, "You can't have good damage! What is this?" And then when they subvert the trope I suddenly realized that I absolutely didn't believe my own claim and it was like they were directly refuting me. As a writer myself, I definitely want to think any hardships I've faced will ultimately make me a better creator, and that episode was essentially just calling out the toxicity of this exact line of thought.

@CoffinCorrosion

4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Whose how?

@valeriarossini543

4 жыл бұрын

@@DrWhose she found genuine love and satisfaction in her life, how is her ending the worst? (Also, Bojack's is great imo)

Diane asking herself why can’t she be happy under the earthquake is like one of my favorite moments because I could relate to how she was feeling

@jacky9575

4 жыл бұрын

@Alex Macmillan overthinking what?

@GhoulishBunnyStudios

4 жыл бұрын

@Alex Macmillan So the answer to depression is just to not overthink things. Okay that totally works.

@jacky9575

4 жыл бұрын

@@GhoulishBunnyStudios Alex is an asshole

@GhoulishBunnyStudios

4 жыл бұрын

@Alex Macmillan Well, you didn't specify what you meant. But you can always clarify.

@partycitydumpster

4 жыл бұрын

Am I busted???

Honestly I feel like everyone who hates Dianne are split cleanly in to two halves: they hate her because they're a Bojack or they hate her because they are also Dianne

@moapchan1905

Жыл бұрын

You hate most in others what you hate in yourself.

@xxsniperkittykatxx

11 ай бұрын

I think part of it also has to do with how her immigration status was handled by the writers. I really liked her trip to Vietnam, but I almost thought it would have been better if the parents or a parent had a stronger connection to their culture. That or specify they're 3rd or 4th generation so that her being completely disconnected makes more sense. She calls herself an immigrant, but it has no impact until that trip.

@BratzRockAngels

3 ай бұрын

@xxsniperkittykatxx I'm not an immigrant so I can't talk from experience, but wouldn't it make sense for it to not be impactful all the time if she was born and raised in America, I'm sure it's different for all kinds of immigrant people though.

To date, her quote "I'm just so tired of squinting all the time" made me realize just how hard I was trying to make relationships (platonic, romantic, and family) work and helped me readjust my priorities in my life. I've lost friends because of it but I'm happier in my closer relationships now since I'm not focusing on only the small amount of happiness I can get in a friendship but whether the overall dynamic is worth the effort.

@olafisoyeolalere4414

Жыл бұрын

That episode broke something inside me. “I’m tired of squinting” is writing at its very best

@user-sf9gs2pg1b

Жыл бұрын

Wow, I’m glad the show helped you in this way :) that line stuck out to me as well, I keep thinking about it. Personally I don’t have friends because I’m not compatible with many people. One day though, I may find the rare 1% I get along well with.

@flugoaway3398

Жыл бұрын

Do you mind sharing what episode was the squinting part? I’ve tried so hard to recall but I know it’s somewhere in the middle of season six

@JoseSerrato0420

Жыл бұрын

@@flugoaway3398 Season 4 Episode 12 "What Time is it Right Now"

I remember not liking her until I realized that it was because I see myself in her

@ArianaAlexis

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Of all the characters I see myself in Diane the most.

@jambondepays1969

4 жыл бұрын

that's always been a theory of mine. every time i have a sort of hate-fixation thing going for someone, I stop and wonder if that's because i see myself in them. so far it's proved pretty accurate

@tedsava1800

4 жыл бұрын

i felt the exact same thing. then for some reason after the final season came out she became my favorite character, which sort of made me feel like maybe there was some hope for me.

@ghostlybf3785

4 жыл бұрын

Diane made me realise a few things about my self, which was the main reason I hated her for so long. It wasn’t until the most recent episodes she became my most favoured character.

@DigitalVomitTV

4 жыл бұрын

Ted Sava exactly!!! me being a girl who was put on antidepressants and gained weight as a result, chubby diane made me feel so much better about myself. her own "stupid piece of shit"-styled episode in the new batch of episodes was the first time i genuinely cried at a TV show

Ive always loved diane. She has her flaws but shes the character i relate the most to.

@ArianaAlexis

4 жыл бұрын

Flawed = Interesting

@KristenNicoleYT

4 жыл бұрын

Same

@50shekels

4 жыл бұрын

Gina Gaudioso Damn, Im so sorry for you

@DerdiedasBlue

4 жыл бұрын

Is there any metric to suggest Diane is the most hated? I've not spent that much time online, but I was certain that Mr. Peanutbutter was by far the least liked of the main characters, while Todd (too much of a comic relief) and PC (too much of an adult for the target audience to relate to) were pretty much just decent sidekicks. I always thought of Diane as the 2nd most important (and by far most likeable) character and I would find it really disturbing if there was really nobody appreciating her.

@KristenNicoleYT

4 жыл бұрын

@@DerdiedasBlue honestly I think the issue is this person was looking on reddit forums, and I think the average user of bojack horseman reddit forums may be less likely to appreciate diane than the average bojack horseman viewer

I liked Diane as a sort of anti-Bojack. While Bojack always wanted to be better, he was perfectly willing to take the easy way out whenever offered to him, whereas Diane more often than not takes the difficult route of trying to prove herself and failing in different ways. But at the end of the day, I never doubted that Diane has a good heart. Bojack oftentimes gave me the vibe that, while he wants to do better, that desire was purely driven by his narcissistic need to prove to himself that he’s a good person, not out of the actual desire to be better.

Most of the time, people hate Diane for the same reasons they understand and feel bad for Bojack, or call him “relatable”. No one in the show is perfect but she gets the most hate mostly for being a woman and having flaws that don’t benefit others, like Princess Carolyn’s compulsive need to help everyone else.

Wow, i didn't know that everybody hates her, shes one of my favorite characters :/

@ArianaAlexis

4 жыл бұрын

Not everyone hates her, just enough people that this video needed to be made. Thanks for your comment.

@pinkpugginz

4 жыл бұрын

Yea a lot of people love to hate on all female characters even though bojack tried to rape a teenage girl, gave a teenage girl alcohol poisoning, and tried to kill Gina by strangling her. But let's hate on Diane for having normal problems. Bojack sucks.

@nanananananananananananana9430

4 жыл бұрын

@@FatuschGaming I think he/she meant statutory rape.

@alonedownthere47

4 жыл бұрын

shows like bojack and breaking bad out people as hating women. she's whiny, pretentious, and a hypocrite? dang, just like their favorite character

@sammystoolpigeon

4 жыл бұрын

Mine as well. I have a friend who's not a fan, bet he's an idiot.

As the child of immigrants I loved her episode where she returned to her country. It explored a lot of the feelings I have... not fitting in while I’m in America but also not fitting in there... kind of having this middle ground culture where you don’t really belong anywhere

@gabby01moreira

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

@alyssapinon9670

3 жыл бұрын

As someone who never learned about my Mexican culture I related to that hard as well. I’m half Thai half Mexican but look more Mexican. So culturally I fit in with Asian kids but I stick out like a sore thumb in terms of appearance. And when I’m around Mexican kids I look the part but know nothing of the culture

@pizzawashere8940

3 жыл бұрын

I've got macedonian roots but I'm born and raised in Australia. I don't feel like I fit in either place

@valkoki8829

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the exact same. Not americanized enough to fit in, but not 'ethnic' enough to fit in with the other side. It's weird sometimes.

@yuh9850

2 жыл бұрын

i’m japanese and born in america. i know a lot abt my ethnic culture including most of japanese which i’m very grateful for but i know that i will never fit in in japan because i wasn’t born there, i didn’t go to school there, etc. and u have done those things in america. i wish i was born in japan because it would’ve been easier that way and i prefer japan more because i grew up around my japanese family who immigrated here

I relate to Diane so hard and watching her in Bojack helped me realize my own problems. I'm not surprised that people are so misogynistic towards her. People loooove Bojack and hate Diane :/

@xSouthernDiscomfortx

2 жыл бұрын

Even tho bojack is all the things people claim bojack is and is severely more reprehensible in his actions

@xSouthernDiscomfortx

2 жыл бұрын

*claim Diane is

@nathan9523

2 жыл бұрын

it's because bojack knows when he has done something wrong and feels bad about it, Diane does not even realize when she has done something wrong because she puts up a fasade of being a good person

@reynaldoponce2062

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathan9523 Did you not watch the show she knows she does bad things but tries to run from the problem and act like it doens't exist it's a coping strategy watch the full video and think about the points made in it.

@sirsauce8387

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathan9523 bojack doesn’t get a pass cuz he knows what he’s done is bad. Literally one of the main themes to his arc is realising that he’s not good just because he acknowledges he’s done bad things.

I do understand the whole Dianne getting mad at the library, because when you are raised in a abusive family and at a place you can't wait to escape and you have no friends, you create a safe place in your head where you can imagine going, or you can imagine having it one day. You feel that it would make everything right. So many times in my life I have carried on instead of giving up, because I tell myself I will one day have a John Rylands library replica in my future house and it will make everything right. But if I walk into that replica one day out of surprise, and nothing changes, I would die.

I was really surprised when I heard a lot people didn't like her. I thought she would be quite popular. Cause I felt she was a unique character. Coming from an abusive family she's the only character that understood bojack in a way that nobody did. And it scared her. Because she's aware that bojack is not a good guy. And she saw herself in him. The whole journey from seeing her as the "stable, good head on shoulders" character to realizing she's just as broken as bojack was quite amazing imo

@evandugas7888

3 жыл бұрын

She is popular I think it's just she is more disliked then the others. For me she is my favorite.

@camilaribeiro82

3 жыл бұрын

Exactaly!!

@devina8812

3 жыл бұрын

I fell in love with her when she went to Vietnam

@ReviveYourselves

3 жыл бұрын

Same I don’t get why people wouldn’t like her. Shes the best character on the show imo.

@evelynblackthorn5737

3 жыл бұрын

Not really abusive, neglectful definitely

Bojack: betrays two best friends, assaults woman, pretty much makes girl die Mr. Peanutbutter: fracks under the house, almost killing wife and tens of people Diane: dislikes gift People on the internet: we gonna hate her

@ace_w_peck

4 жыл бұрын

It's been stated a few times in this video that BlowCock HorseDick gets more sympathy than Dianne because he regrets making bad choices while Dianne really doesn't.

@shyeline5007

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like... I mean, Imma sound like a nazifeminist, but I feel like that has something to do with the perception of women we have.

@Hayden_Cat

4 жыл бұрын

Shyeline you are not a feminazi you are just stating facts

@Hayden_Cat

4 жыл бұрын

NeoSaigon What? How is that Diane’s fault Bojack was to stubborn to get a stunt double. With this back handed logic mr peanutbutter is to blame for Bojack addiction because he is the reason Bojack didn’t get a stunt double. Bojack already was struggling with addiction and as a wise Todd once said no one is to blame for Bojack shitty actions but himself.

@astoldbynickgerr

4 жыл бұрын

NeoSaigon Wow, you seriously blamed BoJacks back and pain killers problem on Dianne, when it was literally BoJacks own fault.

I love Diane. I also always thought that she and Bojack were soulmates. Like, soulmates that could never actually be together romantically because they were like gasoline to a fire, but like, twin flames, or something. They understood each other better than anyone else understood them

@egg_bun_

Жыл бұрын

Ooooh I love that. That's so accurate.

Diane is a very well-written character. I absolutely understood everything she did in the show... The beautiful thing about her story is that she helped Bojack get out of his own problems and only after seeing him change she finally decided to help herself up. They basically helped each other. Unlike as you might have thought from the first seasons, that she will be the one who will be providing help. And that's the hidden masterpiece of this show. Even the strongest characters have their own problems to deal with.

I feel like you also have to talk about the misogyny in the room. Not a single person calls bojack "whiny" or "bitchy" even though he does the exact same things and worse. He constantly whines about his life but ive never seen anyone call him whiny.

@ADevilFromHeaven

3 жыл бұрын

THIS. The thing I thought throughout the video was that people hate Diane because she is a woman, the two examples of why people hate her, when she crashed at bojacks house for a month or when she rejected the belle room, was both examples of a woman not trying to be someone else to please a man. she wasn't there to fix bojacks issues, but to run from her own for a while and just let herself be shitty and depressed and broken and her rejecting mr peanutbutters gift was getting of a codependent relationship with a man who didnt truly listen to her and expected her to be someone she wasnt. as a woman struggling with depression and with experiences like hers both familywise and relationdhip wise I saw a lot of myself in Diane. It was nice to have a female be unperfect. The month she crashed at bojacks house and was completely broken, unaible to care for others issues because her own felt too big, that felt empowering to me, I've been there many times. When bojack is too depressed and stuck in substance abuse to really help others(which he is throughout most of the show) that is ok, but diane has one big such and people call her selfish. It really shows how women are really expected to be there emotionally for men even when they are stuck in the same shit themselves. If we compare Diane to the other major female character, Princess Carolyn, she doesn't seem to get the same level of hate. They are both strong women dedicated to what they do, pc as an agent and Diane as a writer. They are both putting high expectations on themselves and have high expectations put on them by others. They are both lonely and sad but in different ways. The major differences between them is that PC doesn't her vulnerability as openly (she suppresses her emotions by overworking - again a very relatable female depression thing). While Diane have breakdowns, PC tries to be the perfect accomplished career woman. While I love them both and can relate to both in different ways, I think the misogyny of the audience is clearly showing in their treatment of Diane vs PC (or Diane vs the male characters).

@masoncook4974

3 жыл бұрын

@@ADevilFromHeaven literally no one hates Diane just look through the comments I haven’t seen a single person hate on Diane bc she’s a good character

@polexu

3 жыл бұрын

@@masoncook4974 alot of ppl hate her ive seen it all over reddit and twt. the readon most of these comments are defending her is because nobody that clicked on this vid hated her in the first place. this video is literally defending diane so why would someone who hates her watch a video in defense of her

@jacknack6819

3 жыл бұрын

Wait, only a few people hates bojack. Tf is wrong with people

@hongsiahseow5969

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my god we are all Bojacks. Horseman, obviously.

"While bojack and everyone else makes the audience comfortable with being broken, Diane makes them uncomfortable that they're not doing anything about it." This is why Diane is my favorite character.

@anthonyaxume599

3 жыл бұрын

Well for me at least it’s not that deep I just find her annoying.

@nhanNguyen-wo8fy

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyaxume599 Yah! You're not that deep!

@anuchateresa8275

3 жыл бұрын

mine too

@devil16935

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

@paulppetersson

3 жыл бұрын

I did not realize that was true until I read your comment. Well, now I feel shitty.

I feel like Diane actually understand what it meant to "take responsibility for your own happiness" and to "not feel bad about it", and the reason why she doesn't like grand gestures would go back to the "Cryanne" video

to me, Diane was the most relatable. she's the only one who *doesn't* have a horrible, completely tragic backstory and astounding, almost unbelievable trauma. what she did have is a couple of shitty parents and some shitty brothers, who weren't out right abusive to her but said so many mean things to her and never gave her support. Diane was the most... normal person on the show. i like to think she has C-PTSD, so many tiny, insignificant traumas building up overtime that accumulate into her subconscious. that episode where she was trying to write about her life and was attempting to come up with "valid" examples of her horrible life, but couldn't, really set the tone for how sad she was. i personally felt related to her. i've never had a significant, life altering trauma happen to me; what i have gone through is things like bullying, insults from parents, and little incidents that left me emotionally unavailable at times. all of these seemingly *nothing* things still ended up making me severely depressed and i was suicidal for years.... without exact reason for it. what i am trying to get at is Diane is the common (wo)man- neutral ground. she's not a celebrity, she didn't grow up with abusive parents, and she's not actively putting herself into harms way, and yet she still gets depressed. she still hates herself. AND she's completely, 100% aware of it. i think Diane represents the majority. it can be hard to connect with characters like Bojack because the problems he faces are so extreme and illegal and so, so awful. Diane is the bridge between Bojack and ourselves, a reflection of many people who feel the same way she does without true cause

@StoutShako

9 ай бұрын

💯💯💯

@r4tz4sn4ckz

8 ай бұрын

this is extremely late, but im just here to say that what her family did to her WAS abuse, and bullying IS abuse. its considered emotional, and psychological abuse. you can even say she was physically abused by her bullies, as she talks about being hurt by them in an episode. anyways, my point is, even if it wasn't 'severe' abuse, it still was that. you and others deserve the label as well, it can help with some of the pressures of not feeling 'damaged enough'. you're only human, of course that would be enough to hurt you for the rest of your life.

@quesadilllas

4 ай бұрын

ik im late but this just explained everything so neatly. its like you took what i was thinking and couldnt put into words, into words. this is really well put is all im saying

I didnt even think Diane was unpopular? Edit: reading through these comments reminded me people miss the point of this series and idolize Bojack for some weird reason

@mayo597

3 жыл бұрын

people idolizing bojack is really close to that scene after bojack's interview where he admitted to what he did in the sarah lynn incident. he became loved and sympathized

@nanarobinson_

3 жыл бұрын

Sad people don’t tend to be good people. As someone who was once very sick with mental illness, I believe people idolise bojack because it makes them feel okay about letting their sadness come out in nasty ways

@googoogaga7986

3 жыл бұрын

I see people idolising Bojack as a way for them to feel good about their flaws, no matter how shitty and rude those flaws are

@lunatic.asf420

3 жыл бұрын

@@nanarobinson_ Yess beautifully put and a large majority dislike Diane cause she ALWAYS tries to be better than the next episode (although not always perfect and sometimes too depressed to do anything) She makes people feel uncomfortable cause she challenges changing for a healthier way of life

@sakuranovaryan9261

3 жыл бұрын

I never really knew anybody idolizes bojack...i mean why would they..but i always felt like people around me included felt sympathy for his character..

“while bojack and everyone else makes the audience comfortable with being broken, diane makes the audience uncomfortable that they’re not doing anything about it.” i think this is the exact reason so many people hate her and love bojack! it’s the same problem we see in season 5 with philbert. it’s a running joke how alike bojack and philbert both are, with the set being exactly like his house, both characters dating sassy/gina, bojack constantly wearing the philbert outfit, etc. it gets to the point where he says that philbert makes him feel better about himself because he’s vulnerable, and it makes diane very upset because that’s never been the point. i always believed this was the production team breaking the 4th wall while adding to the joke of how similar they are. because he’s the main character we give him leeway, feel bad for him, and feel better about ourselves, and because she’s not we aren’t as forgiving. but you were never supposed to forgive him. you’re not supposed to watch bojack horseman and feel okay that you are the way that you are, same with philbert. you have to atleast attempt to change, like diane does. but that takes effort and makes us feel guilty, so instead we hate her because she is doing the one thing we won’t. she’s atleast trying, rather than “fetishizing her own sadness” like the rest of us.

@michaelvigil3436

3 жыл бұрын

How is she trying to change? The only positive change I can recall her making was taking anti depressants and deciding to write fiction instead of issues she cares about. Meanwhile we watch Bojack attempt to change over and over and just continue to fail. He tried rebuilding his childhood home (or something, cant remember) he went to rehab and got counseling. Diane thinks she is a good person who makes mistakes, Bojack thinks he is a bad person but desperately wants to change.

@meeraanil6083

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelvigil3436 First bojack doesn't appear to overcome his problems. Throughout the seasons we see him apologize for.. everything. Still he doesn't learn to overcome. Plus Diane is the one who actually made bojack attend rehab.

@michaelvigil3436

3 жыл бұрын

@I SadFace When did I say she was worse then Bojack? What does that even have to do with what I said? I think you just dont want to judge Diane as an individual so you only judge her based on Bojacks actions. As long as Bojack is worse than she is than any criticism of her must come from someone who is trying to convince themselves that she is worse than Bojack. Grow up.

@michaelvigil3436

3 жыл бұрын

@@meeraanil6083 First, if you are going to say "first" you should actually have a "second" thing to say. Second, the last episode makes it seem like he DOES overcome his problems but beyond that I dont see what "overcoming his problems" has to do with anything I said. My point is they Bojack is clearly trying to be a better person because he thinks of himself as a bad person who needs validation. Diane thinks she is a good person and its the world that's messed up and needs to change.

@michaelvigil3436

3 жыл бұрын

@I SadFace Giving out that vibe to only you apparently. You are giving out a sexist vibe that you only judge women based on the actions of the men around them. Someone talks bad about Diane and you automatically get a vibe that this person is saying she is a worse person then Bojack instead of just judging the character as an individual. Like its one thing to accept her as a flawed character but you seem to not even value her as an individual within the story, as far as you are concerned the show is about Bojack and every other character should only be viewed in contrast to the Bojack character.

Considering the themes of the show, it always surprised me how much hate Diane gets. I'm glad to see a defense of her.

I cannot believe people don't like Diane! I feel she is the only character that that holds Bojack accountable. Which he desperately needs

I think people hate her because they project unto her the role of the female character who enables the main male character's character growth. They latch on to the moments where it feels like Diane wants to play that role, and they moan about the moments that go against it. Being someone else's step to character growth isn't a real thing, you're still a person with your own stuff going on and you can't subsume that just to be a rock for other people. Also, if being a hypocrite makes a character unlikeable, literally every BJH character is unlikable.

@Ray03595

4 жыл бұрын

This is why I like Diane's ending. She has to say goodbye to Bojack because she realizes she deserves to be happy and doesn't have to feel bad all the time. It's a relationship that gave her purpose and I feel like sometimes she struggled to see beyond just what was happening in Bojack's life. In some ways he was her crutch for when things didn't work out for her. She always had him to loathe with and go back to when things weren't going her way. And when Bojack sent her that voicemail saying it would be her fault if he died, she easily could've ruined her life again and gone back to Hollywoo, but instead did the opposite. That's growth.

@Mrdest211

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ray03595 Yeah, I agree. I also think that she sees that Bojack is a heavy person to have around. You can see in the episode where they talk about what to say to the reporters that she reaches a tipping point when Bojack basically admits that he killed Sarah Lynn by giving her heroin, or at least making it available, but then denies it on the phone. I think in that moment she accepts the truth that she can be thankful for having known him, but that she's not going to stand by him for another of his self-serving toxic episodes. Diane got over her belief that having baggage makes a person more interesting and insightful, and she sees in Bojack that it sometimes just limits someone's ability for change. When I first saw the last episode, I thought that eventually, Diane and Bojack would talk again, but as I think more about it, I' changing my mind on that.

@mackenziepalmer

4 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! You said it best! None of the characters are step characters for the “main” characters! We get an insight into all of their lives! They are all main characters. They are all Bojacks. We want to see Diane is the one that helps Bojack and when she doesn’t we feel let down, but that’s literally life! You can’t count on someone else for your happiness, that has to come from you, and it has to pass through all the negative shit we say about ourselves! Diane had her own shit going on, and instead of seeing how she is also struggling, we judged her for not being better for someone else.

@rickyslost3231

4 жыл бұрын

I love this comment thank you

@swillzmegamitensei

4 жыл бұрын

“Literally every BJH character is unlikable” idk man Todd’s pretty cool

Everyone gets mad at her for rejecting gifts from peanut butter when she repeatedly tells him she doesn't like big gestures, she tried to communicate and he doesn't listen, it always made me mad that people blamed her for that

@indigothecat

3 жыл бұрын

What's worse, is Mr. PB actually said he got the message loud and clear in the pool jello birthday party episode. He clearly didn't.

@safkaesque

3 жыл бұрын

i know :( he should have known her better. And Mr Peanut butter repeatedly gaslights and guilts her when she’s disappointed by what he does, even though his grand gestures are selfish. She had the right to be mad about the Belle room.

@sombria13

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I had the same reaction. I know such situations from home where you are supposed to be grateful for big gifts you never wanted that were mostly just given to avoid an actual apology or real emotional attention i.e. actually listening. It took me years not to fall for the guilt-tripping anymore and even then it's still frustrating to communicate over and over again that I will not accept the gesture, although I get the good intentions because it still either hurts me or doesn't fix the previous hurt without an actual apology.

@indigothecat

3 жыл бұрын

@@sombria13 I had to comment this lyric because I agree and you reminded me of it. "You think the money that you make can substitute the time you take." The first line of the bridge from J-Lo's "Love Don't Cost a Thing."

People are quock to forget how traumatic Cordovia was for diane, how she wakes up shouting "Kinko" for the child that she was trying to help and died in a bombing, when she got back she had PTSD and war related trauma, she couldn't confront that well and that is what people criticize, because they don't understand this character. Is ironic that the worst person in the show, bojack himself, is one of the least criticized. Many of his faults are from his upbringing, but the worse parts can't be pinned on his parents.

I really relate to Diane getting mad about the Belle Room. My mother use to throw birthday parties for me but she always designed them the way she wanted her birthdays to be. So if I ever said “I want an indoor birthday where we play board games” she would make it an outdoor birthday with a bonfire and loud music. I now hate celebrations of any kind because I realized people don’t do nice things unless it feels nice for them. My birthdays were always catered to my mother or my friends, my baby shower was catered to my friends and in-laws, etc. Diane doesn’t like big romantic gestures… But of course Mr. PB had to do this huge gesture because it felt nice for him but it wasn’t considering her and what she wants.

@daniapfel2825

Жыл бұрын

I’m very sorry for you

@dakotastarchild4424

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I hate that shit too. Most of my birthdays it would be a friend or two of mine saying "We should go do this!" "We should travel to this place!" And then two minutes later, they'd say "Or whatever Tom (me) wants to do." Not that my birthday is for me to be the boss or be recognized, but I think "Dude, it's not YOUR birthday!" Before I turned 25, I invited a few friends to go to San Diego with me, I had the hotel picked. One friend said we should check rates at the naval base. Another suggested three other locations- St Petersburg Florida, Hermosillo Mexico, and Vegas. I clearly told him each time I wanted to do San Diego. When he suggested Vegas, I was like "Okay, that's it. No more from you." I'm still best friends with him, but he was basing his suggestions on what *he* wanted to do.

@6Eev

9 ай бұрын

that's so real. whenever it's my birthday my mother would always pick a birthday cake that SHE likes, even though I always tell her I just want a simple chocolate cake or a strawberry cake. And when I told her I wanted to get a cat, I told her I love every cat and I don't care what breed it is, but she just had to pick one that SHE liked, and spent an insane amount of money to buy the cat. and just basically whenever she says she wants to get something for me, she actually means she wants to get something that she likes for me.

I really liked Diane because I can relate to her being so hard on herself when she fails at becoming good.

@ashriverland6797

3 жыл бұрын

Same

I didn't know people hated Diane, she's literally my favorite character

@itisjustacomment

2 жыл бұрын

They don't. People just have an opinion. When did having a opinion become "hate " ?

@levitheotakuthirdborn8993

2 жыл бұрын

Ik i think she's really well written.

@Nexus_KT

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@Cmon2828

2 жыл бұрын

She suffers from Daria syndrome.

@renberisha6093

2 жыл бұрын

@@itisjustacomment ? are u stupid ? "i hate something" is quite literally an opinion. you are saying you dislike something,,..,.. therefore hating.... get over urself

I think people's reaction to Diane demonstrates how we are so untrained to listen to women

@moapchan1905

Жыл бұрын

Why don't I ever hear these kind of points in discussions about Sarah Lynn or Princess Carolyn?

@TheQueen-sw4th

9 ай бұрын

​@@moapchan1905Because PC acts as a mother to most of the characters (the "right" way for a woman to act) and Sarah Lynn was a complete and utter mess who failed ti actually better herself and never called Bojack out for the awful things he did because she didn't care. That's why

@moapchan1905

8 ай бұрын

@@TheQueen-sw4th And I also never hear these points about Beatrice or Hollyhock even though Beatrice was a bad mother and Hollyhock was so critical of Bojack she actually cut him off in the end. People are not "sexist" for not liking Diane. Diane is just a generally hypocritical holier than thou person and it makes her very unlike-able, she criticizes everyone and overlooks her own flaws constantly.

@StarryNightxx

7 ай бұрын

@@moapchan1905 imo the same sexist audience that hates on diane would also hate sarah lynn if she didnt overdose. They have an obligatory sympathy because she died. If they had to actually suffer the character and see the genuine consequences of her sexual exploitation play out, theyd probably also hate her.

@moapchan1905

7 ай бұрын

@@StarryNightxx Thats an interesting speculation, but the fact is that everyone loves Sarah Lynn so I don't see any actual evidence of your claim. People would still hate Diane if her character was male.

as a person that relates to diane, i constantly attempt to be better, even though self loathing in my head never stops, so seeing people (mostly men that relate to bojack) hate on diane was a big shock to me, because i always emphasized with diane while watching the series. the fact that one of her most emphasizing features to me - always trying to help everyone around you with constructive advice, was a big hatred point for other people really stumbles me

Bojack: *almost takes advantage of a minor* Fandom: *_I sleep_* Diane: *rejects a gift* Fandom *_REAL SHIT_*

@ArianaAlexis

4 жыл бұрын

Historically men have gotten away with more than women. This is evidence of that.

@jpeg.600x2

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArianaAlexis it's not about that, men or women people are people. it doesn't matter that men have done more atrocious acts each person is there own and shouldn't be generalized by sex or race. Also it just seems that more people associate with Bojack more than Diane because more of the audience have similar parallels to bojack and may have done horrible acts as him or acted like him more

@strivingtoonedaybeuseful6049

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArianaAlexis umm no I'm female and men get significantly longer and harsher sentences whilst women get excused for our disgusting and shitty behaviour

@seinarukishi9228

4 жыл бұрын

@@softie6034 Statistics show men get harsher sentences lmao

@seinarukishi9228

4 жыл бұрын

Bojack isnt self righteous though.

re: the “Belle Room” gesture. I can’t believe people think Diane’s reaction was unreasonable. how would you feel if you felt like your spouse never listened to you? they were together for 10 years ish and he never got it. there weren’t even any real books, showing how hollow and performative the act really was. good intentions don’t mean bunk if, had you been listening to your partner or friend or family member in the first place, you would have known it wouldn’t have actually meant anything to the recipient.

@michaelvigil3436

3 жыл бұрын

As he pointed out multiple times in the series (especially around the time they were getting that house) that he felt like they didn't truly share anything. He felt like she was just attaching herself to HIS dreams, moving into HIS house. He wanted to be a part of making her dreams come true. Now I'm not saying he didn't half ass the gesture or didn't pay enough attention but I still dont see how that makes her reaction reasonable. Again he actually told her multiple times that he was trying to make a shared dream with her, she never told him that actually fulfilling her childhood dreams would ultimately ruin those dreams and their relationship.

@Actualkon

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelvigil3436 If Mr PB felt that way there were other ways to express it than doing something she directly said she didn't like. Like talking to her abt how he felt and coming to a mutual agreement on how to make the house feel more like theirs than his. Instead PB did what he always did and assumed what he wanted was what everyone else wanted. There was zero communication

@michaelvigil3436

3 жыл бұрын

@@Actualkon What are you talking about? He had that exact talk with her when they were driving to Hawaii and once before that even. He explained that he felt like they didnt share anything together and that she was just attaching herself to his life. He said it made him feel like she had a foot out the door because since they didn't share anything she could easily just leave and move on to the next thing. When they were talking she told him that she always wanted a Belle room (not that it was a fantasy) and he tried to give her that. I dont see how you can say he should have communicated when he clearly did that multiple times.

@Actualkon

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelvigil3436 its been a bit since I've seen the show tbh. From what I remember she never agrees to the library being built. Neither of them came to an agreement on how to solve the issue. Yes she didnt say it was a fantasy, but if he already knows she doesn't like big gestures he should've realized she wouldn't like it. On top of that I think the library was one of many of these situations where PB didn't listen, and while on its own it might not seem like a big deal, it was part of a pattern. In the same way with his ex wives, leaving someone alone at a party or letting someone in a mummy costume near them isnt cause for a relationship to deteriorate, but PB does these things repeatedly

@STIR-FRIED-SUBWAY-RAT

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelvigil3436 I think PB simply doesn't listen, he's very much the kind of guy who believes he can make everyone like him. He's not an inherently bad person just that he tries to hard to fix things for other people without fully understanding what's wrong in the first place. Imagine your partner expressly told you they don't like these big gestures, you could share interests by developing a genuine passion for or at the very least just be comfortable with their hobbies/dreams but instead he focuses on the material things his own success is able to give them. He does it out of fear of abandonment. It can feel patronising to the other person to feel like they're always going to be babied by their SO. Being a pretty bird in a very well kept cage doesn't mean that bird ever stops wanting to fly. I don't think Diane was being unreasonable, I think like a lot of people her age in a situation like hers(barring super rich TV star bf), being reminded that they can't achieve anything on their own really fucking sucks and it's even worse when you're already depressed, this used to mess me up a lot when I was younger and didn't fully realise I might be depressed. I ended up lashing out or being petty because of it.

I relate to Diane the most. Her journey in the last season with antidepressants makes me literally sob like a baby every time I see it, because it's literally what I'm dealing with. The last line really sums up why I love her character so much.

Bojack legit waited to call the police while Sarah Lynn was dying and DIANE ends up being the worst character cos her husband wouldn’t stop pushing her boundaries ???

just watched a video essay w two men saying diane was a “bad person” and “ungrateful” and “unrelatable” 🤦🏻‍♀️ here to cleanse

@jacknightingale4428

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, all the characters are bad people in their own right. As for unrelatable, I think people hate her because she’s too relatable in a not fun or fantastical way and that’s scary to them.

@evandugas7888

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacknightingale4428 I think Diane is the closest thing to a good person.

@jacknightingale4428

3 жыл бұрын

Evan Dugas nah, that would be PC. She’s my favorite character.

@evandugas7888

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacknightingale4428 PC is awesome but I would not call her good per say. She is a hard worker and she is admirable and skilled at her job. that being said she does whatever it takes to advance her career in most cases. She can be a bit cut throat. I think with Diane she actually tries to make the world a better place. Through her blog, through going to the forgin country. Even if she fails she still tries to make the world better.

@nanalove3819

3 жыл бұрын

of course it comes from men...

diane is literally my favorite character, i had no clue people didn't like her

@ArianaAlexis

4 жыл бұрын

if you like all of what you see, and you relate to the character, then you like Diane. But if you don't like what you see and you relate to the character, then you don't like Diane.

@begumnazcakir

3 жыл бұрын

SAME

@Logan-vi7hv

3 жыл бұрын

Diane is my favorite character because bojack reminds me of myself too much and Diane is too similar to the girl who saved my life and so Diane was that girl to me and so Diane was happiness and goodness to me

@JaredJonesAZ

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like what people say about Diane is what they would say about me

@Ronin_444x

3 жыл бұрын

She is the worst character ever. And you can see her getting more annoying, fatter and getting shorter hair as she turns into a full on femenist

She's actually my favourite character. Tod on the other hand managed to make a show with anthropomorphic animals seem unrealistic

@nero904

2 жыл бұрын

his comedic Relief was def comforting though, I also just think in 2014 that was just the funniest thing ever for people & as the show goes on they couldn’t change it much Idk

Honestly Diane is one of my favorite characters. Of course she's done bad things, but flaws and mistakes are what make characters interesting. I personally think that Diane is one of the characters that improved her character and behavior the most throughout the entirety of the show. It made me really happy to see her happy in the end.

Honestly, the whole library thing just made me mad. Not at Diane, but at Peanutbutter. Through the series we see here tell him more than once that she doesn't like the grand displays of affection. And time and time again, we see him to something over the top, because that's what he likes, that's what he wants. I get that he just wanted to show her love, in a way that he thought was best. But that just wasn't her. He never listened.

@topazcoyote5482

4 жыл бұрын

Finally! I remember thinking this. I get that when it comes to gift giving "it matters most if it comes from the heart", but she did tell him she was uncomfortable with grand gestures. I remember cringing at the engagement scene when he brought in all of those people.

@flameprincess7313

3 жыл бұрын

Well, Peanutbutter was never really the listener-type. People usually love others the way they wish to be loved themselves.

@nikkismith5490

3 жыл бұрын

Two completely different love languages. He does unbelievably obnoxious grand gifts, she does personal moments where she gets high as a kite and vividly describes what he means in her life. Doesn’t make him or her bad for that.

@dopdrop8998

3 жыл бұрын

Sarah Nicole But she told her that she didn’t like grand gestures and the library he gave her wasn’t even real.

@nikkismith5490

3 жыл бұрын

Emma White Again. Two.different.love.languages. Your partners love language isn’t always going to match your own. Hers isn’t wrong, nor is his.

Bojack literally choked a woman, almost had sex with a 17y/o girl, helped a sober girl relapse and OD. AND DIANE? Is the most irredeemable character?

@DavidLuis198

4 жыл бұрын

Believe me, there's a lot of people that don't even see Bojack was wrong almost having sex with Penny...

@isabellalacuesta3401

4 жыл бұрын

I love Diane I wanna like BoJack cuz he’s relatable but believe me it’s getting hard

@RedDingo777

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not disagreeing with any of this but Sarah Lynn got sober for the whole point of relapsing. Bojack was not going to dissuade her from that course but his efforts to cover his own ass may have cost Sarah her life. Diane is the only character I can 100% like because she's genuinely trying to be a good person in an awful world.

@kyleellis9177

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidLuis198 yeah because different countries and states have different ages of consent. so for many its not wrong.

@MightyMewtron

4 жыл бұрын

@@kyleellis9177 laws aren't the same as power dynamics, and it's sketchy no matter what. that's something the show itself pointed out.

there is some strange irony with the character that hides her emotions due to how she’s treated when she shows them, being hated by fans when she has meltdowns.

@dakotastarchild4424

11 ай бұрын

It's not her meltdowns that make me dislike her. It's her moments of hypocrisy. The book tour in Alaska where she tells BoJack that the topic is solely on his book, don't mention anything else. Then she up and strays from the topic by bringing up Hank Hippopopalous at a Q&A.

"While Bojack and everyone else makes the audience comfortable being broken, Diane makes them uncomfortable that they are not doing anything about it." was the beat sentence to wrap up this essay. Well done! I hated myself from seeing myself on Bojack, but seeing Diane's (who is similar to Bojack on their upbringing) growth made me feel that I can change, if I cared enough to put in the work and find the right people.

The second Diane was introduced, I was like “People are going to hate this character”. Not because I didn’t like her, because I love Diane’s character personally. I think she’s very complex and nuanced and is a fantastic character to balance out the show and make the characters more relatable and real. My first thought towards people not liking her, however, stems from the fact that whenever there’s a character like Bojack, when it’s a male character it’s received as funny, relatable, complex, and people like the IDGAF attitude. Whereas whenever there’s a female character like Bojack, in this case Diane, they’re almost always denounced for being whiny and hypocritical and a bitch. I’m not saying anyone does this because they actively hate women, I’m saying this seems to be a bias that many people have deep in their subconscious. God knows I’ve had it for the majority of my life. Had I watched this show even just a year or two ago, I probably wouldn’t have liked her either. I had to acknowledge and actively change my own internal bias, and it was difficult. As a woman, I didn’t WANT to admit that other women pissed me off more than men. I always tried to pass myself off as “not like the other girls” and condemn other women for just being who and what they wanted. For looking however they wanted to look. For acting however they wanted to act. For talking however they wanted to talk. And I feel like Diane’s character encompasses that; the idea that you need to look at yourself and make changes. You judge others harshly, and have to turn that same lens on yourself and make judgements about yourself as well. Whereas, Bojack was more of a “this is just the way I am so why change it this is out of my control” kind of guy (at least in the beginning...I’m not saying that’s how his character stayed towards the end). But also, I think that’s part of what the writers intended. Bojack is rich and privileged and he could get away with a lot more than a woman in his same position would be, and that is reflected in the fan reaction to her character. I believe this is intentional, and the writers are GOOD at delving into shit like that and exploring it. I’ve found that the people who say they hate Diane are often people who have unresolved issues and are angry at the way her character points out that yes, it’s okay to have flaws, but you have to actively work to get better and overcome them. Whereas the people who like Diane as a character are people who have grown and moved past their traumas and strive to be better, mistakes and all. No one is telling you to be perfect, they’re just telling you to be mindful and to work on yourself. Everyone works through these things at their own pace, and it’s okay to not be there yet. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you make an effort to be better. To DO better. It’s okay to do bad things sometimes. It’s okay to make mistakes. No one is perfect, and Diane isn’t either. That’s the point. I think you said it well in this video. Thank you!

@eve3363

3 жыл бұрын

She's not complex not nuanced. She's a typical millennial liberal.

@lilies2746

3 жыл бұрын

@@eve3363 what

@gunpiIot

3 жыл бұрын

wow this was such a great read. from another who loves Diane’s character, thank you so much!

@creepyagenda5697

3 жыл бұрын

@@eve3363 Misogyny everyone 🙄

@aliceryanhill9574

3 жыл бұрын

@@eve3363 wow that was great, so insightful

I feel like Diane was the most relatable, most intellectually honest character.

@comicbookreviewer4856

3 жыл бұрын

When watching the show Diane is meant to be flawed like everyone else at first she seem like the voice of reason but in the last two episodes of season 1 we saw the real Diane and the point of the other seasons was meant to show Diane thinking she was making a effort even know some of it was for herself and i don't really see her as a complete hypocrite but as a person who tries to get everyone to see what she wants and uses stuff as a weapon to get what she wants like the gun story

@ColonelMetus

3 жыл бұрын

Thats because you aren't very intelligent

Another point, as this video said, some people see her As a hypocrite because she tells bojack off when she's broken herself. Like She and Bojak are the same. But they are not the same. Diane's depression mostly hurt herself as opposed to Bojak which hurts everyone around him. So she is right to ridicule him. Also, Diance's was essential to Bojak's development as he failed to recognise the consequences of his actions himself.

@bigbootyboy420

8 ай бұрын

Preach queen

I like Diane because she acknowledges that she is a flawed, hurt person and then actually moves forward with doing what must be done to make herself better.

all the charecter are whiny, hippocratical, self destructive, and often horrible but that’s what makes them so real. i think the people who hate diane so much hate her because they see themselves in her.

@annalisasauter7935

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes, the people you detest the most are the individuals whom you share the most kinship with.

@reynaldoponce2062

2 жыл бұрын

@@annalisasauter7935 omg beatrice and bojack

@deleted01

2 жыл бұрын

People who defend Diane see themselves in her. People who hate Diane probably know someone insufferable like Diane in their own lives.

"She's supposed to know better, and yet she's deeply flawed and makes mistakes all the time 😤". Wow it's almost like the show is trying to say something.

@strange0130

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like people are used to having a character that is perfect to come help and Diane was meant to be that character but then she wasn't.

@ultraxim

3 жыл бұрын

@@strange0130 like bojack expected her to be her saviour, since he met her, he set the expectations in his mind, and in some way we did too. So when Diane isn't that...

@MrMik981

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, when Diane is first introduced, on a surface level you'd think that she'll be a "voice of the reason" character but around the season 2 it's kinda apparent that she's not

@lukawho8503

2 жыл бұрын

@@strange0130 nail on the head

@reynaldoponce2062

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMik981 she is and she isn't a voice of reason the whole show is about characters and their flaws and how they try to do less shitty things and more good things like bojack horseman Pc etc because it's relatable that nobody is perfect and she tried to save other people before saving herself

“Oh but she’s a hypocrite” Everybody is. THAT’S THE FCKING POINT

@GigaChadh976

8 ай бұрын

Great that doesnt refute the argument

I feel like Diane lectures others and tries to hold them accountable because her striving to hold herself accountable is what helps her get out of being a product of her upbringing. She wants people to know what they’re doing wrong because she wants them to stop bringing so much pain on themselves and others. It’s sometimes misguided, but it’s her form of caring. It’s kind of like how PB’s form of caring is grand gestures. They’re both people who care for others how they wish to be cared for themselves, but fail to understand not everyone wants or needs to be cared for in that way. If she realized this similarity, her and Mr. Peanutbutter could have worked out.

She’s my favorite character. The high and mighty thing is incorrect. She is shown to hold herself to the same standards and self loathes because of it. I can’t believe that she would be the most hated character when Bojack literally sabotages his best friend’s rock opera, gets Princess Carolyn’s hopes up and then breaks her heart, fires Diane for writing “bad” about him, gets Kelsey fired, bails on Secretariat, almost sleeps with someone 34 years younger than him who is still in high school, sleeps with his best friend’s special friend, destroys Sarah Lynn’s sobriety and takes her on a bender that leads to her death, forces a fly to move on when he wasn’t ready then destroys the house they built together, calls his assumed daughter garbage, doesn’t believe a boy could actually be attracted to her, chokes Gina, and so many other things. Diane is not the bad guy. She has a complicated nature. I see myself in her.

@randomuser1105

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that she’s one of the most hated characters on this train-wreck of a show makes me lose even more faith in humanity.

@noonebossesthegarnet2890

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Sarah Lynn dosed on drugs on her own. She went 9 months sober because she thought drugs would effect better after being sober for so long. Hence why she hid the drugs inside her own home. Bojack was just there to dose with her.

@noonebossesthegarnet2890

3 жыл бұрын

And Bojack was right. Eddie needed to move on. Crying over spilled milk wasn’t going to help with anything. He destroyed his mom’s summer home, not his home. I agree with everything else you said, though. I don’t know why they would hate Diane if Bojack is twice the shitty person that he is. Don’t forget he abandoned Herb for 20 years and gave him a half-assed apology before he died.

@indigothecat

3 жыл бұрын

I actually wonder if part of the reason people were forgiving of Bojack is because he was so terrible it's almost like his character isn't believable, most people don't know someone THAT messed up personally. Diane, however, is much more accessible, and seems much more real. Combined with the facts that she's a human and has a normal-sized head (Todd's head is huge, and he's shorter than Diane, plus his sequences are kind of fantasy-esque) got herself a college degree and was having trouble finding what she considered meaningful work especially in L.A., people can see themselves in her, or have someone like her in their lives, perhaps multiple people.

@jamilhneini1002

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody is a bad guy in the show. And the fact that boojack is a shiitty person doesn't make diane a better person so all the things you said are kinda pointless

I always liked Diane and understood the belle room thing right away, consider MPB has been acting obnoxious the entire season... don't understand why people thought the belle room thing was "just a gesture with nice intentions". MPB fracks his whole house 20 feet under but somehow it's all ok, because he never bothered to understand what consequences are? I don't get it.

@marlborosoda

4 жыл бұрын

fr shes always hated grand gestures and was upset with him for just doing things without talking to her first. her upset with the belle room made perfect sense to me.

@valeriarossini543

4 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!!!!!

@joro8693

4 жыл бұрын

What about when she hid from him for months on end and mr pb just forgave her. I don’t think being mad at a gift is ever okay, doesn’t matter that she doesn’t like it you just appreciate it, it comes off like a spoiled brat where she didn’t get what SHE wanted even though mr pb asked over and over to help make a room for herself in the house. I don’t think she deserves the hate but I just can’t understand someone defending her reaction, it was ridiculous and it showed he listened to her story and since she won’t make a room even though he really wanted her to he tried his best. I don’t think it was even a grand gesture it’s just a room in a house, chill and just move on. I just don’t get why she even dated him in the first place honestly they were just a bad match is all. If you want to make a good example of grand gesture she had a right to hate, I do think him claiming he stole the D was way over the top and completely uncomfortable for anyone to go through, if anything I’d prefer that was when they broke up and made more sense in reality.

@helloworld7818

4 жыл бұрын

@@joro8693 It's because Mr P is plain dumb. He doesn't understand the intellect and deepness of Diane. Diane is really deep and he just doesn't get her. He's a dumb dog. A cute loyal dumb dog who is also incredibly superficial. That what Diane lacked in Mr P and that's why she was always with Bojack. The perfect partner of Diane would be Mr P with his positivity but also with some Bojacks depth.

@dygpnth

4 жыл бұрын

@@helloworld7818 i get that but i don`t think MPB was dumb. he was clueless until it came to something that would affect him negatively. remember how easily he picked up on BJH being a threat to Diane and his relationship in the first season? He just doesn't want to see how he is destructive.

diane was one of the most well written women i've ever seen on tv. her journey to self healing was crazy relatable; i never thought i'd see a female character given so many complexities as most women have onscreen especially since women are often written so one-dimensionally and always revolving their life around some main male character. i think people are mad because for once a woman didn't exist to fix a man. she took control of her life and prioritized her mental health and constantly went through deciphering moral crises as many of us do. truly such a well written character

the reason diane is disliked is because of sexism. plain and simple.

I loveeeeeee Diane, she totally is the epitome of the struggles of a woman who’s aware and empathetic in a world that wants to alienate her and hate her for speaking the truth. Don’t put Diane down because she’s strong and doesn’t take shit. She’s the most morally-aligned character in the show tbh, besides Todd mychild :)

@chiaraaraara

2 жыл бұрын

YES!

@jamescresswell6013

2 жыл бұрын

I think what makes Diane great as a characer is that her actions are ambiguous - she's righteous and while she is trying to create a better world and call out the bullshit she sees, all she usually does really is make her self miserable. I think this reflects an insight that even when we think that our actions are right and that we're standing up for our moral principles, really this can often be coming from a place of pain and sadness and that our struggling in futile and reactive ways to injustices we see in the world generally won't make anything better and may alientate people from us and cause us to miss out on the opportunity to address our own issues. In the end she is happy because she has accepted that she needs to look after herself and the anti-depressants have allowed her to see and address certain toxic parts of her life. I think she's an amazing character. Definetly there is a lot to admire about her as well but I don't think it's healthy to look to her as a role model or to see her as somehow morally impecable or unimpeachable. She's complex and messed up like many of the other characters on the show. But, at the end of the day, that's exactly what makes her so interesting and real.

@AyKrax

5 ай бұрын

None of the main characters were morally aligned really & Diane is Number 2 in shitty actions right behind Bojack which isn't saying much.

I always thought Diane was so hated because she's openly a feminist and is what some people would describe as a (ugh...) """SJW""". I'm convinced at least some people feel that way.

@seinarukishi9228

4 жыл бұрын

Because she is a sjw stereotype. Especially at the scene in the background of 9:49 . Bojack offered to take responsibility for his actions, and she said it wasnt good enough. What IS good enough? What does she expect him to do about his mistakes? If nothing can be done, its fine for her to not have anything to do with him, but it was ridiculous to keep screaming at him over them.

@WolfGr33d

4 жыл бұрын

Still despise her. She's basically a self righteous SJW through the entire show. Bojack starts out very self righteous too, and I despised him just as much, but we see how he suffers internally, how his selfish nature is shielding himself from completely hating himself. How he truly thinks he's a piece of shit who makes everything worse. We don't get that same level of anguish or humility with Diane, she feels very arrogant through and through with little justification for it.

@Southernstereotype

4 жыл бұрын

That’s my take on it. She’s everything that’s wrong with feminism. Only looking at surface level arguments and not looking deeper into the things she wants to tear down like the invisible “patriarchy” Also shes a shit human being and shitty friend.

@Southernstereotype

4 жыл бұрын

viera you’re telling me modern feminism isn’t superficial? All it is is arguing over things that are easily debunked and made up bullshit like micro aggression and hate speech. And yes, the patriarchy is a myth for salty cunts to bitch and whine over because they can’t figure out that they are the only reason their life is in tatters.

@Hayden_Cat

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah just look a not a robot

Diane’s reaction to the belle room came from a long line of repeated instances that showed PB not fully understanding her and disregarding her wishes.

ppl who defend bojack and hate diane at the same time are the biggest misogynists and i hate how they still have that mindset WHILST watching bojack horseman, like have you even learnt anything in the show??

Don't forget that there's always a level of misogyny too. ;)

@51dodoc

3 жыл бұрын

Just like there is always a level of misandry but it's far from enough to explain why a character is disliked by so many people.

@shallot6

3 жыл бұрын

@@51dodoc it’s definitely not as common for flawed characters to be disliked for being male rather than female

@51dodoc

3 жыл бұрын

@@shallot6 Please show me the stats backing up this affirmation because I don't see any gender disparity among hated flawed characters. Plus it's impossible to determine if a fictional character is disliked by many because of his gender or because of something else.

@bdidbwvolume2.230

3 жыл бұрын

How's it feel knowing you can't take even an ounce of criticism or critical thought without having to cry misogyny because you can't think for yourself or rebut legitimate criticisms?

@k-veeaudiojack

3 жыл бұрын

@@bdidbwvolume2.230 ??? What criticism? I agree with the video, I'm just adding a small comment on my personal opinion.

"Why does everyone hate Diane and love Bojack?" -it's the misogyny-

@aidancorless2563

3 жыл бұрын

Or maybe she was just annoying

@bearshthebear2202

3 жыл бұрын

@@aidancorless2563 Yup misogyny

@aidancorless2563

3 жыл бұрын

Bearsh thebear yeah buddy I hate her character cuz she’s a girl lmao, stop trying to nit pick at everything and make it about something deeper than it is. By saying that I don’t like the character because she’s a female you’re basically saying that I’m only allowed to dislike male characters because otherwise it’s misogynistic. Like honestly just stfu

@KillTheCupcakes

3 жыл бұрын

Aidan What’s annoying about her that doesn’t make bojack annoying?

@aidancorless2563

3 жыл бұрын

KillTheCupcakes well for starters the fact that she never really apologises for the shitty things she does and when she does shitty things they are always portrayed as though they’re out of spite rather than drug abuse exct. like bojak. Also the fact that she acts like she’s so much better than everyone else but deep down she’s just as messed up as the rest of them pisses me off because she judges the other characters on how shitty they are without acknowledging that she is shitty aswell.

That leo fake lover thing crushed me emotionally It made me feel horrible for her and I immediately understood her whole childhood

Just finished watching the show and honestly and wish I could say I’m suprised by the fact that Diane is a hated character but like I’m just not. I can’t even pretend to be shocked because it tracks and reading the comments an obvious bias is clear notice how all the people that say she “beats” Bojack down by calling out his faults literally don’t acknowledge that Todd literally does the same thing too. And she’s also the character that’s outspoken on a lot of feminist and liberal issues in the show not suprising that she’d be the vessel for people taht hate the shows liberalism

@AyKrax

5 ай бұрын

Todd isn't a hypocrite & Diane constantly weaponizes/uses Bojacks life/trauma to hurt him whenever they have any type of disagreement. Todd: "Bojack you are all the things wrong with you speech" Diane: "You'll be so depressed after winning your oscar You'll want to kill yourself & I won't be here to stop you speech." She literally came to his party & bummed him out 😭

it's wild to me that people will rake diane over the coals when, most of the time, her bad behavior is so, so much less outwardly destructive than bojack's. diane can be callous, sometimes, but bojack is downright cruel and thoughtless towards others. they both use their mental health issues as a crutch, but while bojack uses it to excuse his behavior (especially toward the beginning of the show), diane uses it as fuel to genuinely want to change/make change, even though she doesn't have the tools to do so. i think that both of them show how the same background can manifest in two different ways, and the reactions to them -- both from characters on the show and the fans -- show how eager we are to forgive certain people for their objectively awful behavior and not others.

@watertommyz

4 жыл бұрын

Which is why it waa great when they talk for the last time. They bettered themselves at the end...even if they both still have a long way to go. But they're on track now.

@annaturquoise7114

3 жыл бұрын

Same to me. To be honest, when I watched the show, I didn’t understand bojack, he seemed kind of alien to me. A little bit hostile, because he wasn’t working on his problems.- or at least not in a direction in which I would do... so I understand Diane more, because I have a similar set of subconscious programs throughout life. Or maybe the way we make choices is similar, in general. To be honest I just understand her more. Good comment

@Cheetahgirl_Studios

3 жыл бұрын

I’m going to be blasted for this, but I think we can learn a lesson in self improvement from Diane. Rather than wallow in her own moral filth and just accept that she can’t become a better person, Diane uses her family’s treatment of her as fuel to her fire to improve herself. I mean, I for one could learn a thing or two from her about moving on from the past and pushing yourself to be better. I wish I had the strength she does to silence the voices in her head. I honestly wish I did.

@schwartzlaura

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cheetahgirl_Studios I just want to say, you seem like a cool person and I hope and trust that you'll achieve your goals. I don't know how to put it less awkwardly, but there's just something very sympathetic about what you said and as it's probably pretty rare to get that vibe from YT comments, I thought it worthwhile to let you know. Take care

@Cheetahgirl_Studios

3 жыл бұрын

Schwartz Schwartz Thanks man. I’ve been going through a depressive episode, so I really needed to hear something like that. You take care too.

I feel like P. Carolyn and Diane should've been a lot closer.

@ArianaAlexis

4 жыл бұрын

They're as close as they're written. Thanks for watching.

Diane is my favorite character because I relate to her so much. I just can’t explain how much I feel like shes someone written specifically to relate to me

I mean I was already having a crying day but wow, this made me cry. Diane resonates a lot with me and this was a much needed ‘in defence of Victoria Lee Florence’ to me. Thank you.

I really like and appreciated your defense of Diane. Personally one of my favorite characters in the show because I do feel she is just as broken as Bojack and as you say, has been trying to improve herself through therapy, ending a relationship, etc etc. It doesn't work out for Diane and she does play the role of the voice of reason but she tries. In trying and repeatedly failing, she shows that change is hard, which is never popular. I learned something valuable after the Belle room scene. I didn't get it at first, but that was her dream, and her goal. She has every right to grow and struggle to try and achieve her dream without it being handed to her. Despite it all, she sticks to one of her core values which is helping her friends and trying to remain loyal in those relationships, even if at times she can be disloyal to herself and at the expense of others. Great take!

@ArianaAlexis

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your thoughtful well constructive comments.

That's crazy that people cite her slumming it at Bojack's as the reason why they don't like her character. I never liked her more than that moment. She was finally taking a break, and not worrying about being a hero for anyone or sticking up for what is right (and constantly being putdown/neglected/marginalized for it) and just truly thinking about her self and what she actually wanted to do in the moment. We saw multiple times on that show that bojack would slum it up or go on a bender, regardless of what other people had going on in their lives. And I thought in a weird way, it showed that they had a true friendship. That bojack was the only person that she'd feel comfortable being truly pessimistic and kinda destructive around. And the fact that she was so ashamed about how she couldn't handle Cordovia that she lied and hid from her husband because she was so embarrassed, idk it just made me really appreciate her character honestly.

@xoTalim

4 жыл бұрын

Also people act like coming back from a war-torn country where you saw children dying in bombings isn't traumatizing enough to justify her slumming for months. She was fucked up from that. I feel like most of us would be.

@mikemorro140

4 жыл бұрын

@@xoTalim Tbf I don't think people were mad that she left they were mad that she went to Bojack's instead of going to see Mr. Peanutbutter and didn't tell him for months

@Ray03595

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikemorro140 She wanted to self-loathe though, which she cannot do with MRPB, but can easily do with someone like Bojack. I mean, yeah it's wrong that she kind of brought Bojack down with her a bit in that situation, but again, all these characters are flawed. The fact Diane didn't go to MRPB just proves that he doesn't really get her either. Bojack may get her more but they are still a recipe for disaster and play off of each others insecurities far too much to be functional.

@mikemorro140

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ray03595 I can point out a lot of flaws in Mr.Peanutbutter but Diane not coming back for months wasn't a problem with him

@KJOokami

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikemorro140, not inherently, no. But it was *related* to an issue with Mr. PB, which became an issue for his and Diane's marriage as well. Mr. PB refuses to acknowledge negative emotions. Whenever Diane tries to talk to him about serious things (like she'd have to do when she came back from Cordovia), he shuts down and changes the subject or just straight-up walks away from her and pretends the negative emotions don't exist. It's an extremely toxic trait that becomes more apparent as the series goes on, and the reason Diane went to Bojack instead is because she knew that going to Mr. PB with her feelings would be useless. He would just walk away like he always does.

i’m going to be real i LOVED diane up until season 4 since these shes just a vessel of misery getting upset at the slightest thing and thinking everything is specifically hers and hers alone (therapy/the belle room)

@roslyngordon4596

2 жыл бұрын

Well to be fair she did make the belle room herself like she invented it and as for therapy she saw bojack everyday and hated it she thought he did something sick to a child she just wanted a space that he didn't occupy while she was dealing with her issues not to mention after she left therapy she had a brief moment where she was happy that bojack was in therapy

I think the reason people hate Diane (which i didn't think was possible before watching this video) is because she's a woman AND a feminist. She takes no shit and calls out misogyny and any sort of harassment / corruption / etc. These types of women are usually labelled as 'rebellious', 'outspoken', 'bossy' but when it's a man doing the same things, nobody has any problem

@dallonpilled

3 жыл бұрын

No because you're definitely right. Women who tend to be very outspoken in their beliefs against the patriarchy and everything else Diane spoke out against, are absolutely treated horribly, because women are supposed to be docile and take what's given, especially by men, they're called whiny, pretentious, stuck up, just as Diane is.

@edgelord6094

3 жыл бұрын

@@dallonpilled yes, exactly! you put it way better than i did! i wonder how many people hate certain female characters and are completely unaware of the underlying misogyny.

@GribbleGob

2 жыл бұрын

If literally any of that was true people would hate PC as much or more. I think labeling everything under 'misoyny lol' damages the argument and makes it harder for people that have actual reasons.

"She makes people uncomfortable for not changing, that's why people don't like her" When a person makes another realize that something they are doing is wrong, they lash out at that source, state they are bad for doing so and ostracize them. People don't want to be better, they want to be told everything they are is okay and to be coddled. This is actually why I like Diane over many in the show because she is against the easy way of existence and makes people realize there is something wrong.

@0quin0

3 жыл бұрын

Same and this is why I was so shocked seeing this like I never knew people despised her so strongly. If anything I love her for the reasons everyone hates her for because I feel represented by her. The whole show I couldn't get over how much I related to her especially after never really seeing a character portraying anxiety (at least the anxiety disorder I experience) the way she does, it really is validating. It might be more validating knowing there's people who despise or don't understand why she does the things she does because I've been met with that same constant shutdown and lack of understanding from others. Idk I can't speak for everyone with GAD and I don't remember if the show says she has an anxiety disorder but she's probably one of the most relatable characters for that alongside the main character of spirals all the way down. sorry for the paragraph lol

@MBDallocchio

3 жыл бұрын

100%

@noonebossesthegarnet2890

3 жыл бұрын

That second to last sentence reminded me of “In this world you can do things the easy way or the right way. You take a boat from here to New York. You gonna go around the horn like a gentleman, or cut through the Panama canal like some kind of Democrat?”

@escapismcollective

3 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is the viewers who lash out at her are missing the point entirely. Throughout the series, we watch her be a source of needless ridicule for calling out the failures of others - exactly what's being done in real life. We see it constantly with Bojack, but also when she called out the Bill Cosby parody character and many others.

@JaredJonesAZ

3 жыл бұрын

Nailed it

Confession time: I still have a crush on Diane.

@rodeogirl135473

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@catherineward3940

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@fairygirl6675

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@JD-tx2hj

2 жыл бұрын

@@softlights26 ok -a straight guy

@JD-tx2hj

2 жыл бұрын

@@softlights26 pretty fast response for someone who commented a month ago

This honestly made me love Diana even more I will always see her trauma and pain more with in my own life. She is the reason I'm digging into myself and trying to be a better person