In Conversation with David Frum: The working class' political realignment & its policy consequences

Leading author, journalist and thinker David Frum and The Hub's Editor-at-Large Sean Speer discuss the growing political realignment occurring across the Anglo-American world in which working-class voters are shifting to the Right and its political and public policy implications.
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  • @ravipeiris4388
    @ravipeiris438824 күн бұрын

    I tune in when Mr. Frum is your guest ❤

  • @nannycrackers
    @nannycrackers25 күн бұрын

    David Frum is such a smart and decent guy. Always a pleasure to hear him talk

  • @steveflinn6

    @steveflinn6

    22 күн бұрын

    He's great. He's reasonable. And after a while, suddenly he pivots to the most insane "intellectually conservative" policies. This is what results from coming up in the William F Buckley/Milton Friedman/Reaganomics cult. As if trickle-down and de-regulation zealotry and corporate welfare were something other than conveyor belts for money that move only towards top-wealth individuals.

  • @wuhaninstituteofvirology

    @wuhaninstituteofvirology

    22 күн бұрын

    "a decent guy" that helped invade iraq under bogus 'weapons of mass destruction' BS excuses (there were none) & led to 1 million + innocent ppl getting killed? oh yea right, real decent #warcriminalPOS

  • @lucabu9838

    @lucabu9838

    20 күн бұрын

    Decent? A man who wrote the axis of evil speech and supported the Iraq war by lying that Saddam Hussein supported Al Qaeda. A man who supported Ariel Sharon and the strategic failures that directly dead to the Israeli dead on Oct 7 and the tens of thousands thereafter. No i am sorry, these are not the actions of a decent man.

  • @ianleslie6971
    @ianleslie697125 күн бұрын

    Thanks for the broadcast. Very intense and extremely packed with ideas. A substantive comment would require an essay. Again thanks 👍

  • @franciscomachado9946
    @franciscomachado994625 күн бұрын

    I always enjoy Mr. Frum's insights.

  • @ChrisBarrett-gl1fj
    @ChrisBarrett-gl1fj22 күн бұрын

    I haven't seen David Frum for some time, and he appears quite gaunt and to have aged lots since the death of his daughter...I think it must have devastated him. As a parent, I feel for him.

  • @earlducaine1085
    @earlducaine108521 күн бұрын

    Frum is one of the few analysts who can talk about politics, especially American politics, generally without descending into both-sides-ism. We're currently in a period of realignment, with major currents affecting both sides of the political spectrum.

  • @rikcoach1
    @rikcoach123 күн бұрын

    The best hope for China is that they don’t militarize around malignant nationalism as their economy begins fold due to demographic collapse. Their only hope is to cut a deal with the US agreeing to major concessions and works as a partner rather than a belligerent. I suspect their collective ego won’t allow them to do the one thing that will save them. But, make no mistake, they are decedent.

  • @rooneytutoring

    @rooneytutoring

    22 күн бұрын

    I think it's less collective ego and more Xi's ego honestly. I have seen little enthusiasm outside of the High echolons of the PPC (honestly a lot of those guys don't seem actually keen). You have to remember that there is a big difference between supporting the idea of taking Taiwan and actually supporting a war to do it now. Remember a lot of Chinese families only have one son thanks to the one child policy. Any war will result in numerous Chinese families losing the only members of the future generation, even if they win that would still be true. I think it's a bit like separatism in Quebec, tons of Quebecers love the idea of an independent Quebec but many of them won't actually vote for it in current Quebec politics. The reason is the risks, costs, and uncertainties that come with directly perusing independence.

  • @futurethinking

    @futurethinking

    22 күн бұрын

    Something you, David and no one else seems to understand is that it's the other way around. The only hope for USA is to somehow develop the institution that we had during cold war, increase state capacity and restore government supervision over all economic sectors to compete with China. You have no clue, China has already far ahead from USA and western countries in any measurable metrics of power, production and is equal to west in technology. Their demographic isn't going to be a problem at all since they still have 600m in rural area that can move to the cities. Free market doesn't work, it has been proven since cold war that without government supervision, it would end up in the disaster that is unfolding in USA in now. But likes of you would have your head in the sand and are believing your own neoliberal bullshit. USA would be recorded in history as the shortest empire ever.

  • @awuma

    @awuma

    20 күн бұрын

    "decedent"?? Is that meant to be "decent" or "decadent"? The meaning of your note varies radically on that choice...

  • @robertstolz931
    @robertstolz93121 күн бұрын

    So allow the flow of natural gas out of the Canada to eliminate the use of coal. I think that is a very helpful tool for helping the world. I don’t believe increased C02 is an existential threat to the planet. Greening of the world is a good thing. People thinking they can control the climate are mis guided.

  • @daleodberg6714
    @daleodberg671418 күн бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @TimBitts649
    @TimBitts64920 күн бұрын

    David is Jewish. A fine man. Jews have a long tradition of helping the less fortunate. It comes out of their religion and history. Long ago, I read "Working" by Studs Terkel, a Jewish writer, who wrote about the working class problems during the John Kennedy era. Studs was a typical compassionate Democrat of the Camelot era. Similar to David...but out of a poor background. Big difference. At the time of JFK, Jews in America were still discriminated against, Alan Dershowitz has a video on this. At that same time they were economically rising, getting an education. I remember that era. Fine people. Mostly Democrats. David's parent's and grandparents generation. Often they were the first generation to go to college. So back then Democrats were on the side of the working class. Then what happened? Then Democrats got rich. Then their elites pushed globalism, said Mark Blythe, left-wing Economics Professor, Brown University....globalism ruined the American working class, who can't compete any more. Republicans were also in on the crime. What changed politics? Why is the working class now Republican? Wealth is inter-generational. Now, children of the elites, often Jewish, come to compete with everyone, they come with privilege and education, as spoiled children of the rich. The Sam Harris type. Sam grew up in an elite Hollywood bubble of privilege. When Jordan Peterson taught at Harvard, he said almost all his students had parents in the economic top 1%. David's mom was very successful, a very fine lady. Her son grew up with great privilege. That left an impact on his thinking. He does not like Mr. Trump. Will Mr. Frum continue the Jewish instinct for helping the less fortunate? ...so far, David hasn't understood the reason for Trump's rise. Why not? David's a fine person, in the tradition of his family and religion: compassionate and very literate, so why does he not get Trump? Sam Harris has the same blindness. In Sam's case, much worse. Where is this coming out of? It comes out of class privilege. Upper class privilege, in life. I think David's class and education and life experience blind him to the reality of most people. Sad, David's a fine man. His grandparents were the opposite: they struggled, knew the challenges of life on the bottom. I'm sure they could see the sense of it. You see a very similar thing in Canada. Justin Trudeau grew up with privilege, 3rd generation wealth, his dad was also Prime Minister, Justin visited Nixon in the Oval Office, as an infant. Justin is extremely awkward with working class truckers. He would never sit down and talk to one. He would not trust them, doesn't like them. Why not? That's because of his class privilege. His worldview was formed in a bubble of class privilege. Justin grew up in the world of the super rich, described in a book written by his Deputy Prime Minister. Justin doesn't see truckers as humans. Just desktop icons, in his Woke world view on his computer screen. Not real people. So basically economic success ruined Democrats & liberals, slowly over time....leaving the political field vacant, for the working class vote, to be captured by Republicans. And they did. That's why Trump won. And will win again. He saw the betrayal, acted on it, for votes. So for elite people worried about Trump I'd say: You caused him. Victor Davis Hanson has stats on this. Last appearance on Megyn Kelly. The data says Democrats abandoned the working class, college educated people are now mostly voting Democrat, out of self interest. The working class will vote Republican, because they know the elites don't care for them. Intergenerational motivation for politics: Of course most people who go to college have college educated parents now....unlike the 1960s. So: It's a self-reinforcing Democrat cycle/bubble of privilege. Over 90% of students at Harvard identify as Democrats. Blind as a bat. Globalism had winners and losers....said economist Mark Blythe. True. The losers were in red states, mostly Republican, mostly working class. The winners were the very well off in America, among the privileged elite. See: The Elephant Graph, Mark Blythe. What Democrats and liberals don't get: they are the oppressor class now. Not the good guys. Democrats like New York Governor Kathy Hochul call the losers under globalism, "Trump's clowns". Hillary called them "Deplorables". Watch comedian Ryan Long recent videos on the Trump rally in Brooklyn. Look at the crowd: Trump won the working class. It's a shame what Democrats have become. Callous, unable to see beyond their class based privilege. Privilege and nepotism ruined them. See y tube: "Glenn Greenwald 2nd Gentleman to WEF".....11 minutes in, for the data.

  • @user-lk8sn4kg2d
    @user-lk8sn4kg2d20 күн бұрын

    The one problem that Poilievre will face is barely mentioned here. That is the rebuilding of the Canadian Forces. It will cost 10s of billions and take a decade.

  • @awuma

    @awuma

    20 күн бұрын

    Indeed. And that is a higher priority than those things the Liberals are now funding. However, if properly done, re-armament can have a positive economic effect, especially in the development of new industries (e.g. AI controlled machines), employing under-utilised talents and capabilities.

  • @michaelhiggins2562
    @michaelhiggins256221 күн бұрын

    Insightful. Thank you.

  • @johnburns8660
    @johnburns866025 күн бұрын

    Freer trade with Mexico didn't get any second bedrooms for the guys who got laid off when production was moved to Mexico.

  • @pwp8737

    @pwp8737

    25 күн бұрын

    Free trade with third-world countries, and authoritarian countries without free trade unions benefits only one class, capitalists who get to transfer their capital to countries with cheap exploitable labour. What good are cheap, trashy and environmentally harmful baubles compared to the loss of well paying jobs that underpinned a strong middle-class?

  • @johnburns8660

    @johnburns8660

    25 күн бұрын

    @@pwp8737 The public watched the destruction of that middle-class while the lying libertarian economists talked about rugged individualism, the excessive regulatory burden, forced unionism and the Factor-Price Equalization Theorem.

  • @hiltonwatkins6750

    @hiltonwatkins6750

    23 күн бұрын

    @@pwp8737 Why isn’t there more politicians prepared to expose the harm some capitalists do to the country. At ver4y least purchasers (us) should be informed when firms are closing down here and moving to cheaper locatrions and then selling back to us. At least inform us so we can support the loyal industrialists and react against the greedy.

  • @pwp8737

    @pwp8737

    23 күн бұрын

    @@hiltonwatkins6750 an apathetic working class that is easily distracted by politicians waving race flags, or abortion flags or any of the multitude of other "culture war" issues that distract and divide America's workers from focusing their ire on their true enemies.

  • @frederickclause2694

    @frederickclause2694

    22 күн бұрын

    @@hiltonwatkins6750 Because the electorate has allowed the capitalists (big business) to take control of the government.

  • @MikeSmith-vo2yt
    @MikeSmith-vo2yt25 күн бұрын

    Good one

  • @RS-uh7rz
    @RS-uh7rz25 күн бұрын

    Right at the end Mr. Frum cites the numbers of potentially swayable Romney and Nikki Republicans as a percentage of the American electorate. Unfortunately, that key part of the audio is too garbled to understand. Otherwise - a really excellent discussion. Thanks for presenting it.

  • @darrylvancise6363
    @darrylvancise636324 күн бұрын

    As David points out, PP is missing any kind of a climate action plan. He is afraid to comment on the big issues Like the Ford/Trudeau EV plants or the Trudeau pipeline that just opened as the first one to tide water in 70 years. . Is he for or against? Y or N ? The car is rattling, what are your plans?

  • @thomaspruchinski385
    @thomaspruchinski38519 күн бұрын

    Why do people take the necon bar rescue guy with downs seriously?

  • @bmunson4920
    @bmunson492019 күн бұрын

    No mention of Russian influence on Brexit, and MAGA?

  • @yvonraoul2198
    @yvonraoul219822 күн бұрын

    Free trade for whom? I'm wary of cute expression using the concept of 'freedom'...Trading amongst giants might work; trading amongst countries not playing by the same rule can be counterproductive.

  • @ken0272
    @ken027225 күн бұрын

    Yes Pierre seems to have no vision, what's worse a ship's navigator heading in the wrong direction, or one who doesn't know where he wants to go.

  • @bensanderson7144
    @bensanderson714423 күн бұрын

    13:15. “Protectionism makes you poorer”. Correction: *protectionism makes the rich poorer*. This is key. Politics isn’t about “what” it’s about “who”.

  • @mikemacmillan778
    @mikemacmillan77825 күн бұрын

    It never ceases to amaze me how we in the working class are so poorly informed, so as to vote against our own best interests. A vote for the CPC, is a vote in favour of libertarian corporatism. We should know better.

  • @jeanlannes4396

    @jeanlannes4396

    25 күн бұрын

    The Liberal Party's monetary and fiscal policy and immigration policy is grinding working people into the ground. It is a boot heel grinding us into the dirt. You are staggeringly, deeply out of touch. Get real. There are shanty towns popping up all over the place, I'm seeing homeless people in places where they were not before. I know how much rent and food and gas costs. GET REAL. How many favelas or tent cities have to pop up before you remove your head from your own backside?

  • @jamespeterson3868

    @jamespeterson3868

    20 күн бұрын

    Yes, they are indeed stupid not to understand that gender ideology, forcing them into collectivist unions so their desire to excel is extinguished, increased taxes and an out of touch elite that sees them as deplorable is in their best interest. If the workers of the world ever united, DF would be out on his ass. As would the Liberals, the NDP and Conservatives.

  • @ColonelFredPuntridge
    @ColonelFredPuntridge23 күн бұрын

    The problem with what David says about acknowledging what voters say the problems are is, what should we do when the problems the voters complain about are, in fact, insoluble? What if the voters’ most outstanding problem is: I’m old and I can’t handle working in the saw-mill anymore and I didn’t save any money when I was young?

  • @peteunderdown6889

    @peteunderdown6889

    22 күн бұрын

    Absolutely. Working class laziness and profligacy have ruined the country. We ruling class are much more responsible about saving, much better work ethic. That's why we own the sawmill. All the working class ever make is goods and services, we create jobs and give them money which they waste.

  • @youtrickube1475
    @youtrickube147522 күн бұрын

    I'm highly suspicious that many of your comments are bots.

  • @anthonylemkendorf3114

    @anthonylemkendorf3114

    22 күн бұрын

    It’s obvious 👍🏼

  • @user-kr1ox8bq7z
    @user-kr1ox8bq7z23 күн бұрын

    David is a great Thinker and Canadian

  • @PauloAdriano-zo2ng

    @PauloAdriano-zo2ng

    23 күн бұрын

    Well, no one's perfect. 😏

  • @cocoacrispy7802
    @cocoacrispy780224 күн бұрын

    Trade with China is not 'free trade.' In fact, because of the way China penalizes working households and subsidizes favored investments, it's more like the opposite. So if you want to know why the working class feels betrayed, and why they hate 'free trade,' and why they have given up on capitalism, it's because of people like Frum.

  • @harveyschwartz6789
    @harveyschwartz678924 күн бұрын

    'The Fifth Risk' by Michael Lewis describes in detail how dangerous and incompetent having Trump as president even one time.

  • @edsacks
    @edsacks23 күн бұрын

    David Frum left the Jewish people.

  • @PauloAdriano-zo2ng

    @PauloAdriano-zo2ng

    23 күн бұрын

    How? Are you one of the gatekeepers? 🤔

  • @bradbesco6595
    @bradbesco659522 күн бұрын

    Awesome. Who are you interviewing next? Joseph Goebbels?

  • @MrRobster1234

    @MrRobster1234

    22 күн бұрын

    Frumm is a Neocon Jew. He wakes up every day thinking "What's good for Israel ?" He's about as Canadian as Idi Amin.

  • @chazzcannon3614
    @chazzcannon361423 күн бұрын

    Blah blah. Frum, a guy who knows all about the working class, riiight. Totally disconnected privileged cosmopolitan.

  • @mathtrixmusiclix4248
    @mathtrixmusiclix424822 күн бұрын

    “Anglosphere”. WTF?!

  • @ALK730
    @ALK73022 күн бұрын

    I don’t agree with his understanding of Brexit. Brexit was in large part a refusal to have unelected officials pass laws that the electorate in Britain did not agree with. While he touches on it, he fails to understand how important it is, if the EU passes a law on immigration policy, Britain had to abide by it. The individuals who suffer the most from these policies are the poor. The people least affected were middle class and up.

  • @jonathanchung6126

    @jonathanchung6126

    22 күн бұрын

    I dont think that negates what Mr. Frum was saying. The thrust of his argument was that Britain taking back its political sovereignty is essenstially protectionist, and protectionism (according to Mr. Frum; I'm no economist), costs; and that proponents of protectionism (and political sovereignty) need to be forthright about the economic costs to the people.

  • @earlducaine1085

    @earlducaine1085

    21 күн бұрын

    Frum's point is that Brexit made the domestic economic pie smaller, so with no adjustments everybody's slice is smaller. It's possible that you could make certain groups have a larger slice by making others' MUCH smaller, but that didn't happen.

  • @awuma

    @awuma

    20 күн бұрын

    Actually, immigration in Britain has increased since Brexit. Instead of Polish plumbers, it's ...

  • @ALK730

    @ALK730

    20 күн бұрын

    @@jonathanchung6126 I was aware of his point. My point was that voters were interested in something different.

  • @ALK730

    @ALK730

    20 күн бұрын

    @@awuma I am aware that they are up. That does not change the motivation of voters at the time. It is an example of how political leaders continue to pursue policy that their voters do not want.

  • @jonmeador8637
    @jonmeador863722 күн бұрын

    Fewer young white men are going to college; therefore, more young white men are becoming conservatives . Intelligence and liberalism go hand on hand. These studies date back to the mid-1950s See Adorno and Hofstadter

  • @fluidsystems1554
    @fluidsystems155423 күн бұрын

    I question whether we need to be part of NATO anymore...? Lean more towards BRIC nations for future, rather than US - this would stabilize and strengthen us

  • @awuma

    @awuma

    20 күн бұрын

    Nonsense. We are NATO and the US. Our pre-eminence is for our benefit.

  • @DABA2024
    @DABA202424 күн бұрын

    I know him best from Bush’s illegal wars, and the awful hair plugs!

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