A few months ago I made a comment about struggling with the 1-ALL on this game, and I'm happy to say I finally did it and this video definitely helped. The biggest piece of advice that helped was your principle of "Now that I'm out of bombs, I'll show everyone how good I am at dodging." I made a lot of dodges that I wouldn't have otherwise without that mentality. Thanks again for this video! Here's the clear: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnaKqsV9dda2gMo.html

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that's awesome! stuff like this warms my ice cold shmup heart ha! Congrats on the clear by the way, the first of many I bet! Ketsui 1-all is no joke. Just don't get better then me, I'm currently working on an omote 2 all myself and it's the gentlemanly thing to do to wait till I get my 2-all before you do ha ;-)

@showem9575

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground No worries, ketsui 2-alls look a little insane for me haha

@Nachy

2 жыл бұрын

Heya! I just wanted to chime in as well and thank both of you! Watching Mark's video and coming across your clear really motivated me in practicing for my own clear in the game. And I just got my own 1-ALL today! kzread.info/dash/bejne/lmmsx82kpM_RZrg.html

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that s fantastic!! Glad the videos have been helpful!

great piece here. it's interesting listening to more seasoned SHMUP players talk about how to improve in SHMUPs. as someone who plays fighting games at a high level and is getting into playing STGs at a much more serious level than "i've credit feeded through x/y games", i'm noticing there are a LOT of parallels between improving at your fundamental FG skills vs fundamental STG skills, and i think in a way these two things actually sort of work together in a symbiotic way. i feel like ever since i started practicing danmaku games, i have improved IMMENSELY in fighting games; and vice-versa. it's an interesting feeling.

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

For sure! I actually have a background in fighting games (3rd strike and melee) before STG and I do think the skills between the genres influence and help each other :-) thank you for watching! I m going to make a vid about the relationship between fgc and shmups in the future.

If you start getting anxious during the second loop just remember: I must not fear, fear is the mind killer, fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration...

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

That is both poetic and true :-)

I've wanted to play at a higher level for a while, so I'm thrilled to see that channels like this exist. Thanks for the video!

Really appreciate the insight here as someone just getting into STG myself

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

I m glad to hear that!!

some metaphors for life right here

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Thanks for watching ❤

I just got into Shmups this month when reviewing Cotton Reboot. Picked up Crimzon Clover World EXplosion and it took me 18 hours to 1CC Novice Original. I know I have a long way to go before an arcade clear, but man, it felt awesome. Looking at my leaderboards, it's so cool seeing myself improve.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

That s great! Really fun experience in the genre!

This is a great talk. STG is like skateboarding, so much of it is psychology and fear management. I’m good at neither but have some insight into both, and my tip is when you are mentally coaching yourself, try to make mental statements rather than commands. Rather than say to yourself ‘don’t get nervous’ or ‘don’t get scared’ or ‘stay calm’ , instead say to yourself ‘I’m not scared’ or ‘I’m calm’. Make affirmations rather than commands. Rather than tell yourself to calm down, tell yourself that you’re calm. It makes a difference.

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

Yes exactly!!! Stress management in the heat of the moment is an important skill!

Hearing the thoughts and mindset laid down here was perfect at this time in my SHUMP skill lvl.. Thanks so much for hitting that record button and breaking down what us gamers are thinking about , having all played games are whole life and wanting more out of the hobby and putting the energy and time into challenging ourselves and take the whole experience realistically and constructively. Let the time put in and deaths we take less soul crushing and more just a natural progression to our goals. ~that 30 year old boomer at the gym

@TheElectricUnderground

2 жыл бұрын

I'm really glad it helped! This week I am also working on another video like this about tackling big shmup goals!

Great stuff, Mark! I’m gonna drop this vid into the thread for the Ketsui competition, not only so people can see your 1-ALL, but also because the advice will be good for some of the newer, more casual players, to get a better perspective on practicing and not getting psyched out so much.

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

That s a great idea my dude! I really appreciate it!!! ❤

Nice vid as always! I felt particularly pleased from the first part about what is hardcore because you described my approach to Ikaruga: started aiming at a simple survival 1cc, then as I better understood the game went to A-rank every Chapter, then upped the stakes and S-ranked them. Now my goal is a 20+ million clear with every Chapter A rank at least 😅 Congrats for the Ketsui 1-all and happy new year! Keep the content coming!

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Also, let me know when you make your ikaruga goal :-)

Love your videos! Thanks so much for making them!

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

No problem!

Awesome video / channel, and an interesting take on the psychology behind playing hc bullet hell shmups. Cave rules.

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Cave does rule :-D thanks for watching, I appreciate it 👍

It’s good how you talk about the process of playing these games. I think videos like this help people better understand the genre and what it is all about. I also prefer to do runs, identify my choke points, and then practice them using save states. When I hit the stage where I start regressing, I take a break from the game. It can be a few days, or up to a week, but I am usually much better when I return. A few times, I have come back to a game after a break and cleared it after just a few runs.

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! It's always an awesome feeling when you get back to a game and break open a 1cc or highscore :-D I did that with Danmaku Unlimited 3 a few times.

hey, thanks for this video. i've been struggling with achieving a ketsui 1-all (about 118 hours in) and this video is encouraging

I don't know how many people who are really terrible in comparison will stumble on this video but all of this applies to you too! My current Pissbaby Gamer Goal™ is just to beat Axelay at all on normal and this kind of focused practice and nerves management is how I've gotten really close to doing that. On the subject of feeling like you're not improving at all, I was feeling that lately so I went back and played the game on easy (which I'd beaten a few years ago when I was just getting into the sorts of games that I avoided as a kid because they were too hard for me) and absolutely destroyed it. Realizing that, no, I've improved a ton, gave me the confidence to calmly dissect my few remaining problem parts in the last level and target them for savestate practice. Really all of this is good advice for anyone trying to get good at anything that is too difficult for them.

Great content, so glad i found your channel

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! I m really glad you found it as well :-)

Nerves is a huge part of this. Quite often when I take a break from a game and go back to it - I am relaxed because I am not expecting to do well. - and do really well those first couple of games. Then when expectation goes up the performance starts taking a hit again. It's really weird. Ultimately - as obvious as it seems - there is no substitute for focussed practice. It works with shmups and racing games too I find. Getting routes through a level isn't that far from learning a track in time trial mode. With console ports I find having a good practice mode (e.g. Futari on 360 or Raiden III on PS2) really helps if you are prepared to put the time in. Save states are the ultimate tool for breaking a level down into sections of course. When it comes to survival (which is what I'm about as I'm not good enough for score runs!), knowing when to bomb is vital. How many times do we lose a life with a full bomb stock.....that's the most annoying problem I have. It has cost me a 1CC on Gigawing several times now.

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Yes absolutely, I had the same thing happen to when I would take breaks from shmups and then come back feeling calm. Console practice modes are also essential in my opinion, the port is incomplete without them. I also agree about the ability to reflex bomb, it's a skill that is really going to help in the long run!

Thanks for commentary video. And happy new year.

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Happy new year!! Thanks for watching my dude :-)

@G3Fleako

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground Thank you very much. And I will back play again Gradius III Replay from June.

Average skill: half way through level one Above average: beat the first boss Godlike: anything more than that

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

:-D

@harmannsmith5653

4 жыл бұрын

haha. well :( i play shmups about 6 years now, and in best cases i can reach level 3 in DOJ, for example, and that's on my best, lol.

@MrBroken030

3 жыл бұрын

cave shmup level 3s be like "ARE YOU READY?" its ike running into a brick wall :D i swear thats the gamedesign, classic arcade stuff

@MrBroken030

3 жыл бұрын

@@harmannsmith5653 I feel you, that level is brutal, i have been there many times and never once beaten it, i also feel like doj isnt the most beginner friendly cave shmup, esp rade and espgaluda are both way easier imo. ESP rade is available on Switch and Espgaluda on PS2. Maybe check those out, i think its about finding a comfy entry point into the genre and building up some skills, later you will be able to translate a lot of the things u learned in one shmup into another. You could also try to make a save state at the start of level 3 and just grind it out, thats probably what i would do if i was trying to beat DOJ, but as i said, i dont feel like its very beginner friendly, the whole engine and mechanics in the game.

Very inspiring video by the way. Blackisto just made an incredible run on DDP (522M) even though he missed on 1-3 boss. I guess he played relaxed after that and nailed it!

This was really helpful.

Thx for the great shmup content! greetings from Germany

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

:-D

When I got Dodonpachi Resurrection 360 for the first time, I was very interested in and intent on learning what enemy does what and how best to handle the big guns that go off when you activate Hyper Mode, and then I looked up what the bee tokens were about. A week and then some later I eventually went 2-All on Arrange A and 2-TLB'd on 1.5. That is to say, learn your tools! If you're gunning for loops or are outright playing on a harder difficulty this is essential!

Good tips. Thank you.

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you found them helpful :-)

When you said that you felt confident you could 1-all the game because you already had about 80 hours in it: that is a sort of eye opener for me. In my mind I always thought good players could do it in a much shorter time, and I felt bad being unable to do it in games where I have 4-5 hours in. That's a great perspective shift for me.

@TheElectricUnderground

3 жыл бұрын

oh yes for sure!! It takes much more time and practice then I think appears on the surface. The good news is that the more experience you get in the genre the quicker you can learn new games, but the first few 1ccs are a real battle! It took me around 3 months of constant practice to get my first 1 all of dodonpachi :-)

I seriously love your videos buddy

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

That s awesome ❤thanks for watching them :-)

my problem in STG is reflexes. im kinda not skillful for reflexes so, sometimes im push bomb button after a few frames. so i think Touhou was the best STG choice for me that has death bomb(bombing after a few second got hit) especially in Touhou 8 that really has long frame death bomb duration before it actually kill me. before training on Cave games. i was trying to 1cc on all touhou windows era main line games at least on normal mode and i've achieve that in 2017(2022 for touhou 15 only). and then my STG scene that make me more confidence to 1cc hard game is started when i try Extra mode in touhou 18. yeah i was dead a lot there. but luckily with your video and Shmup Junkies that about save state/practice mode behavior on STG games i was consider myself to spell training on touhou 18 extra. and i have beat Himemushi momoyo(Touhou 18 extra boss) with Reimu. and that makes me confice my self to clear all Touhou window era extra mode and i've achieve that! now is turn into Cave games. this started when i try to practice ESP.Ra.De with JB and i was reach the final boss at very final pattern. but i was failed there. but thinking of that i was thinking to try Mushi that i think the original mode has more forgiving difficulty. but i was wrong.it still difficult at stage 3 precisely. but i have found myself the best way to clear that. not in practice mode. but simply just play all from the beginning in score attack mode.i choose S-power because i cannot hold longer the enemy pattern. and it works. but still Aki cut my run. but after several try with the same stratergy and with luck i manage to 1 CC mushi original. and i was about to try dodonpachi 1-all next and it work with my mindset "don't dying with remaining bomb available, don't waste your bomb." so in dodonpachi i was practice reflexes (even the game strict with bomb lol) and i did it i can 1CC 1-all DDP with A-L type (and im planning to upload that run footage on youtube for my STG run record alongside with other game) and now i want to practice ESP.Ra.De (1 final boss pattern left and it always kill my run.....even i have learn that pattern.)

I needed this. I spent about a year on one game and I'm still not happy about the clear I got. And of course KZread and Twitch are full of people pulling crazy things off with what looks like no effort. So I was thinking to myself, will it be like this with every shmup I pick up? I don't have a year to invest in each of these games. I might just be straight up garbage. Hearing about how everyone deals with that really slow grind helps a lot.

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

That s really cool you found the vid helpful :-D A major goal of mine has been to demystify what goes into improving at the genre and how everyone struggles with it.

SHOOTIN IN PROGRESS.

Ketsui’s rough bro. Level 4 is a grind right now. I’m comfy on level 2 and 3 Oddly, level 1 can be a bitch. I get so greedy for chips and die since I don’t really practice the first stage 😂 wish I could play every day- at my level skill decays super rapidly. I had a really good warmup routine in Super Metroid, but I haven’t figured one out for shmups. This video is inspiring me though

I agree and relate to everything you talked about :DDD

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

:-D thanks for watching my dude

The one goal I should set if I really wanted to be true to myself and try something currently beyond something I’ve attempted would be an advanced TLB run in RefRain. I know I could do It, those damn suicide bullets are intimidating though.

Sorry for the ignorance, what is a "1-all" and "2-all"? Same or different than 1CC (one credit clear). Also, thanks for the videos, thumbs and sub!

@LinieEber

4 жыл бұрын

Many shmups has a loop system. (Most has 2 Loops) If you clear the the game once, you get an 1-ALL. And when you get the requirements to enter the 2-Loop, you automatically start again at the beginning of Stage 1, but the difficulty is much higher. More and faster bullets etc + most games also has a TLB(True Last Boss) And if you beat the 2-Loop as well, you have a 2-ALL Note: Both are valid clears/1cc's.

@XtraSmiley

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, my Google-fu was failing me on this one! Crap, forget 1-all, I need to get to 3rd stage...

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

Hey no worries man, questions are defintely welcome. :-) Some Shmups have two loops where, after you beat the 1st loop, you then replay the stages again, but at a much higher difficulty with the true final boss. So in these games beating just the 1st loop is called a 1 all (some ingrish ha). For a 2 all clear, there is a vid of moglar on the front page of my website 👍

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

@@LinieEber nicely explained :-)

i like a lot your videos, but i have a question, what do you think about playing with autobomb? i usually play ddp daifukkatsu

@TheElectricUnderground

3 жыл бұрын

Oh autobomb is a useful mechanic! It can be a crutch but overall I am a big fan of it because it encourages more aggressive play for new players who may otherwise bomb out of fear

I like to think of everything as practice lol it works for the most part

I've already 1-ALL DDP two or three times (when I'm not trying to, obviously) but never accessed the 2nd loop. It's really frustrating because, theoretically, I can no-miss (all bees included) until stage 6, where I didn't find yet a safe route on the 2nd half of the stage. Ketsui is another problem...I make around 35/40M points (stage 3/early stage 4) but it seems so hard to go further...

My mental game is certainly flawed. I definitely like to think I’m better than needing to play games on easy but tend to hit a wall on modes above normal and I tend to move on before inevitably circling back and starting over at some point. I do like setting challenging goals though.

If you like computers you might like Mental Outlaw's channel. Reminds me of your channel.

I love shmups but I SUCK at them... i would to aproach more to shmups they look so hardcore and niche....

@TheElectricUnderground

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGh1o5qAgqfHnMY.html :-D

Would You Make A Small, Informative Video, On SHMUPS Against First Person Shooters? Its Pros, Cons, And Real Life Applications? Thanks!

@TheElectricUnderground

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I think so! I do wanna do a topic vid on this

@ZatohRondohoon3227

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground I'm So In! Also, You Might Wanna Talk To Allstin, The One KZreadr Who's In FPS Department, Who May Help You In Getting More Content Of Importance. Especially DooM Eternal.

@ZatohRondohoon3227

3 жыл бұрын

But I Guess, Let's Make That Optional. 👍

If you can 1 CC a Cave schmup you are definitely above an "average player" as you state. For example in Death Smiles, the easiest of them all, only 3.2% of players have completed without continuing on Steam. I guess for a game like Esp Rade or DonPachi it will be around 1-2%. I think it's unfair to us in the 97-99% percent to called below avg per definition LOL.. Please reconsider you logic on this one..