Immigration consequences 'coming home to roost’ as Labor Senator calls for sanctions on Israel
Labor Senator Fatima Payman calling for sanctions on Israel is an “unintended” consequence of immigration “coming home to roost", says Sky News contributor Kosha Gada.
Ms Payman directly addressed Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in a speech criticising Israel over the war in Gaza, requesting sanction be imposed.
“It comes downstream from immigration,” Ms Gada told Sky News Australia host Rita Panahi.
“These are the longer-term consequences whether intended or unintended coming home to roost."
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Labor Senator Fatima Payman must be withdrawn immediately.
How many times do true Aussies have to say we don't want Islam here!?!??!?
@pommiebears
19 күн бұрын
Say it louder! Don’t let what has happened to Britain, happen to Australia!
@mikespike2099
19 күн бұрын
1s1am is a death cult! ☠️
@python27au
19 күн бұрын
It might be too late.
@franktully3065
19 күн бұрын
@@python27auNever surrender.
@Justiceactivist
19 күн бұрын
You mean true Aussies descending from convicts 😅?
Funny I thought Israel got attacked first
@benscheelings7401
19 күн бұрын
Yes, a contrived attack. Study the background and Israel's involvement by encouraging it to happen. Who were the 'settlers' that attacked and kicked out the Palestinians from their homes and farms. All in the name of shalom.
@tube20tommy
19 күн бұрын
No No - that doesn't count , surely you know it's all one way traffic !
@xtnese
19 күн бұрын
@@benscheelings7401 Who attacked the Jewisg Tribe of the Beni Qurayza in Yathrib? Who ghen o sided all the yews in Yathrib a Jewish City and renamed it Medina? WHy are there no Yews in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere in Isalmic majority States, or Christians for that matter? Go read the Quran and Hadiths on who started this conflict in the 7th century before you open your big trap.
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
@@benscheelings7401 Encouraging it to happen ? Fck me mate, I'd like to meet you ! 💩👉🤯
@YvonneCrean
17 күн бұрын
Shhh. Don't tell the truth. Never hear albo even mention that.
This is who you vote for with Labor
@Ellio88
19 күн бұрын
Advantageous beliefs and social media.. They only care about a few whom help them gain power politically.
@franktully3065
19 күн бұрын
@@Ellio88AND they couldn't give a flying you-know-what about basic democratic principles.
@mikespike2099
19 күн бұрын
It’s time to invite her to an Aussie bbq and everyone enjoy delicious pork sausages! 😋 🌭
@lindamansell7242
19 күн бұрын
I for one have never voted Labor, greens or god forbid teals Shame on whoever did/does
@MrBrenos
18 күн бұрын
They are senators. They aren’t voted in
Send her home to be with the people she supports, instead of sitting and our Senate taking taxpayers money who elects these people??
@SurvivethePoleShift
19 күн бұрын
the ALP!!!!!
@leehongchoo8798
19 күн бұрын
Exactly !
@adamibz8201
19 күн бұрын
Australia is not a blonde hair blue eyes country, the sooner people get that through their thick skulls the better. NO suprise sky news trying to play race cards instead of reporting on the actual genocide the zionists terrorists israel are committing!!! While supported by their genocide coalition in the west and europe.
@Gavin-qh7li
19 күн бұрын
She doesn't want to incite violence in her own country when she can do it here especially with all the modern conveniences
@mikespike2099
19 күн бұрын
She does not support or care about her Australian constituents! How about she sticks to her job and not let her religious bias get in the way! 😡
muslims will always protect muslims
@davidparris7167
16 күн бұрын
.....unless they need them to act as human shields to protect their barbaric, inhumane cult.
@LoekRuiterman
15 күн бұрын
Jews protect jews
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
15 күн бұрын
I would agree that most of the time that is true but occasionally muslims kill muslims and make up for lost time eg, Syria -1 million dead, Iran/Iraq war.
@peterward9446
12 күн бұрын
*_thats cos it's a mafiosi-cult ...NOT an Abrahamic Religion ...._*
She should give that speech to the leader of Hamas, nothing to do with Australia
@escon4428
19 күн бұрын
Exactly what I thought too
@zakout007
18 күн бұрын
Hamas Leader no difference than Mandela that's why South Africa backing them up
@Brett.Crealy-kh1sk
17 күн бұрын
@@zakout007Mandela never ordered the r*pe of J*wish women or the m*util*tion & m*rder of J*wish children! So, no, Hamas leaders are terr*rists! Mandela was not!
@derekmottley3656
16 күн бұрын
Palestine is hommus....
@pjwinters8601
15 күн бұрын
Why is the media given airtime to godless people who are deceptive. We don’t care what they think they’re not welcome in the western world. Put Christ at the centre of our world
Don’t make the same mistake Britain has made. Please.
YOU SHUD BE EXPELLED AND YR CITIZENSHIP CANCELLED
@AlanHeritage
19 күн бұрын
100%
@dsyed2413
19 күн бұрын
free speech mate
@PikaPika-Tassie
19 күн бұрын
including Iranian like Rita
@rogermckinnon5738
19 күн бұрын
@@dsyed2413 difference between free speech and hate speech
@dannywebb6709
19 күн бұрын
Well said 🇦🇺
A VOTE FOR LABOR IS A VOTE FOR ISLAM !👎🏻. ❤️🇦🇺
@Metamorphica2
17 күн бұрын
and communism!
@bradwilliams1691
17 күн бұрын
My bad. I promise that it will never happen again. Your forgiveness in advance will be greatly appreciated. All glory to Israel 🇮🇱
The Palestinians are killing these innocent children. This woman has no idea
@omnipresent1215
18 күн бұрын
Yep, and these reports of '45,000' people dyeing are from sketchy Palestinian biased sources.
@XxXx-nw1of
17 күн бұрын
she knows it well but won't admit it
@darrencarruthers6269
17 күн бұрын
Shes knows! She is a twisted bitch!
@dalrynvancuylenberg6447
16 күн бұрын
Go back Taliban needs a senator Payman
@cherryfresh6150
11 күн бұрын
They just don't care.
Does the good Muslim Senator Fatima Payman approve of Labor’s pro LGBTQI policies?
@dalalsmiley5905
19 күн бұрын
wow ,,,, such a critical question while genocide is the centrepoint here
@Gavin-qh7li
19 күн бұрын
@@dalalsmiley5905 the stupid Senator is calling for genocide She is inciting Violence She clearly is a hypocrite
@testicool013
19 күн бұрын
@@dalalsmiley5905be nice to know the answer
@testicool013
19 күн бұрын
@@dalalsmiley5905the Australian national Imams council make it quite clear that homosexuality is forbidden according to the Koran. You lefty’s are so terribly confused
@edmurks236
19 күн бұрын
@@dalalsmiley5905 Hamas attempted genocide .
How can someone who does not know the meaning of the word ,genocide, be in parliament?
@danielleclark6908
15 күн бұрын
Exactly!!!
She shouldn't be allowed in parliament. P.S there's no genocide
@edmurks236
19 күн бұрын
She should be expelled from the labor party.
@Pisslam
19 күн бұрын
@@edmurks236 💯 % agreed
@acqueenarkpyanne721
19 күн бұрын
The UN ruled there is no genocide, have they not see that the numbers of gazan are inflated by hamas
@mikespike2099
19 күн бұрын
It’s time to invite her to an Aussie bbq and everyone enjoy delicious pork sausages! 😋 🌭
@anthonyhills2024
19 күн бұрын
LABOR should keep her, as it reminds everyone who not to vote next election.
Send this Hoori to Gaza.
They NEVER assimilate!
@petesmitt
19 күн бұрын
their only intention is take over..
@rogermckinnon5738
19 күн бұрын
Truth, look what happened in both Jordan and Lebanon, when they took them in. There's a reason why Egypt built their own version of the Berlin wall between themselves and the palestinians in Gaza. Complete with CCTV, Razor wire and minefields
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
17 күн бұрын
They only assimilate when non Muslims join them.
@LoekRuiterman
15 күн бұрын
The israeli never does
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
15 күн бұрын
@@LoekRuiterman The OP was obviously speaking of Muslims so does your comment count for every other nationality? Cause muslims don't assimilate here either.
Disgrace to Australia.
This Senator should go back to Afghanistan, may be she have a better life with Taliban instead of leaving free in Australia, Stand with Israel💯
@ionaleah1336
19 күн бұрын
In their own muslim ciubtry the women have ni voice but when they come to west the want to do their yackity yack. Their mounths need to be zipped or they should soeak to their iwn evil cult ti stoo the crap before its to late to repent.
@edmurks236
19 күн бұрын
She wouldn't be able to carrying on like she is in Afghanistan with the Taliban she wouldn't even be allowed out in public to show her face without being arrested.
@oldgolfer7435
19 күн бұрын
I am wondering what would be the optimum result of this conflict for someone who stands 100% with Israel. Feel free to state this so that more sense can be made of your post.
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
@@oldgolfer7435 You couldn't make cents in a copper factory dh.
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
17 күн бұрын
@@oldgolfer7435 Better to ask why she left her homeland in the first place to come here and turn Australia into the shit pile she left.
Get rid of her she is terrible
There is no "Palestine"
@AbHumBolein
17 күн бұрын
There will be!
@bradwilliams1691
17 күн бұрын
And, if Israel has a say - there never will be. All glory to Israel 🇮🇱
@petervilladsen3063
15 күн бұрын
Soon there aint arabs there either😂
@Zainab-jb7lr
10 күн бұрын
And if we so there is no Israel you will accuse of anti Semitism... freaking narcissist
Vote Labor this is what you get
@simongross3122
18 күн бұрын
Greens have been promoting this BS for ages
Go home.
Utterly disgusting, labor seriously needs to go.
The only effect Gaza should have in Australia is an increased National Security threat awareness level. Anyone showing support for Hamas should be seen as a threat.
Send her packing
Typical ungrateful elitist ,
How do these people pass the Citizenship test?
@KIA-MIA-POW
19 күн бұрын
...they don't ! It is nothing less than a gigantic socialist (Labor) confidence trick to gain more votes for Labor.
@Ellio88
19 күн бұрын
@@KIA-MIA-POW "cough" west syd seats..."cough"
@David_Camerwrongun
19 күн бұрын
Some bright spark decided to put them in the office to make the decisions at the border, sake issue in the UK, all foreigners working in immigration
@KIA-MIA-POW
19 күн бұрын
...they don't ! It is nothing less than a gigantic socialist (Labor) confidence trick to gain more votes for Labor.
@KIA-MIA-POW
19 күн бұрын
...they don't ! It is nothing less than a gigantic socialist (Labor) confidence trick to gain more votes for Labor.
Sack this Grub
@bradwilliams1691
17 күн бұрын
C'mon, be nice to grubs. That's some aboriginals dinner your talking about. All glory to Israel 🇮🇱
@aussieandy67
17 күн бұрын
@@bradwilliams1691 oh that's clever hahaha 😂🤣 Glory to Israel indeed
Don't shit in your own nest love.
@edmurks236
19 күн бұрын
Why bother to leave Afghanistan and come to this country where you are obviously doing better than the average Aussie, to make trouble? isn't that what they left behind?!no have to bring the hate baggage with them and infect us all.
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
Ahhh hahahahaaaa. Shhh, let them work it out the hard way. 😉
@evil17
18 күн бұрын
She just did. Send her home.
Keep any islam out of government
She should be fired immediately but of course she won’t because this government is so weak!
@raymckee2450
17 күн бұрын
Weak, but believers in the selling out of Australia, to abhorrent migrants!! Bring in more Polish and Ukrainian, and migrants who will support Australia, like the Greeks and Poles have done in the past!
Hamas still has hostages. Animals
What a terrible liar and troublemaker.She is using her privileged position as a representative of the Australian people to push her own nasty biased antisemitic agenda.
@zakout007
18 күн бұрын
when the matter is about Israel, no room for free speech no room for democracy
@josephpaul4765
17 күн бұрын
The only thing she represents is stupidity
@dalalsmiley5905
17 күн бұрын
Why are you accusing her of lying? Which part of her statement you consider to be a lie? You also call her a troublemaker? Wow so she should sit quietly in a corner like a good girl and not upset anyone. I bet you would never call Pauline Hanson a liar or troublemaker right?
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
17 күн бұрын
She doesn't speak for me.
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
17 күн бұрын
@@dalalsmiley5905 The part about genocide should wake you up, that is a major lie. Israel wants hamas not civilians though they are complicit in this, others are the same civilians who chanted and danced when the hostages were paraded around in Gaza, some raped. Is that what you want to support?
let me guess its a Melbourne immigrant enjoying the hi life in the west now calling for shit most aussies wont support
Stop SANCTIONING OUR ALLIES! You are making us LONELY AND BROKE LABOR! 😢
@zakout007
18 күн бұрын
143 countries including OZ backing Palestine, only US and a few, islands and 2 bankrupted countries support Israel
She should be standing in Israel voicing her concerns not here , why do we have to put up with these zealots she shouldn't be in this parliament
@fionaforward3358
19 күн бұрын
So true!
@michaeljoncour4903
19 күн бұрын
she should be sent back along with the rest of them.
@rogermckinnon5738
19 күн бұрын
Unfortunately pinocchio Albo's supposed refugees voted her in
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
17 күн бұрын
@@fionaforward3358 We don't have this problem with any other ethnic people's, send her back, no more Muslims.
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
17 күн бұрын
@@rogermckinnon5738 That's what I thought as well, Muslims tried to bring in sharia law in Belgium by getting into their parliament.
Y is she even a senator,where is our weak so called prime minister 🤔
Can we send Lydia thorpe and albosneakie to Palestine?
@leannejones980
19 күн бұрын
Don't forget wong and fatima
@jonathandavidson78
19 күн бұрын
Lydia Thorpe is just the worst
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
Marcia Langdon too With big bad bruce
@TheSilmarillian
18 күн бұрын
@@jonathandavidson78 Cocaine will cause that.
@bradwilliams1691
17 күн бұрын
@@leannejones980Meh, Labor in general.
My eyes unfortunately rolled as soon as she opened her mouth. I don't know whether or not what she claims is true, but she is both a politician and a member of the Labour party, so when her mouth moves, she lies.
@bradwilliams1691
17 күн бұрын
As soon as she opened her mouth? No offence but, you're a bit slow on the uptake aren't you? My eyes rolled as soon as I saw the thumbnail image of that rag she's wearing. All glory to Israel 🇮🇱
'How dare you! You have stolen our common sense. You force your illiogical, emotional rhetoric upon me when all I want to do is live a life with the advantages of the 21st century. How dare you!'
Fatima address your request to Hamas who started this!
Wakey, wakey Australia. Time to open your eyes to what is going on here before its too late.
RIP Australia you're all screwed 😂
@sallycent6598
19 күн бұрын
I would like from all the media in Australia not to mention this woman or give her any attention because that what she wants.
@whiskeygamer9402
19 күн бұрын
@@sallycent6598 Same thing been happening in the UK for years and now Australia is catching up.
@sallycent6598
19 күн бұрын
@@whiskeygamer9402 We are not going to give those people a platform and voice in Australia to spread their antisemitism and their poison.
@bella95
19 күн бұрын
@@whiskeygamer9402I was wondering when it would. Kind of like the UK replay button.
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
We are from convict stock... There is a limit to how much further this will go before civil unrest.
Have a good look people. Look at the two flags she has on her chest. Palestine flag and aboriginal flag, no Australian flag! And she is an “Australian” senator! 🧐
How many innocent hostages haven't her comrades set free.? She really would be of more use back in Gaza but no way is she gonna give up the gravy train she's on.
Is lam has no place in Australia.
@LoekRuiterman
15 күн бұрын
Neither does the jew
She does not support or care about her Australian constituents! How about she sticks to her job and not let her religious bias get in the way! 😡
@AbHumBolein
17 күн бұрын
Oh shut up. You shoukd go back to england or some piss snelling shithole yours came from
@bradwilliams1691
17 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, the constituents of her federal seat wear the same stupid rag on thier heads as well. And yes, governments should always be free of religious bias, whether it be Islam, Catholic, Hindu or whatever.
@AbHumBolein
17 күн бұрын
@@bradwilliams1691 😂whte trash talking trash!
How are these people in our Australian govt?
@tombretislow7091
16 күн бұрын
How are these people in our Australian govt? Muslims congregate and then vote for muslims. That's how
Will NOT Vote for Labor again.
Australia should stop interfering in countries the other side of the World. Fix our own crap first.
@jimmarle6697
19 күн бұрын
we import our own crap
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
d!ckhead.... We don't need to interfere. There here interfering with our country. We simply ask they fck off back to there hate infested origin's. Not asking much bonehead.
@user-ry6hy3vp1o
16 күн бұрын
Absolutely charity begins at home.
Seriously, what is a hajib wearing muslim doing in Australian parliament?!
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
@@hwd7 I remember.
Anyone accusing Israel of anything should be sued. Show proof.
@Ellio88
19 күн бұрын
*commented to wrong comment. Personally I don't believe either side is right.
@alexfagyas9342
19 күн бұрын
SHAME ON YOU ALBANESE AND YOUR GOVERNMENT. GOD chosen people are Israel and the Jewish people. God said if you bless Israel then I will bless you but if you curse Israel then I will curse you. God's punishment will come upon those peoples and government who does not support Israel and does not stand up for Israel. God never leave nor forsake Israel and the Jewish people. God's blessings will be upon those peoples and government who support and stand up for Israel.!!!!!!!!!
@AlanHeritage
19 күн бұрын
@@Ellio88so you are pro them doing what they did to kids at a music festival on October 7
@Ellio88
19 күн бұрын
@@AlanHeritageNot at all. I believe the whole matter is complex. I AM concerned at the one sidedness of the noisy movements.. BLM 2.0... Well funded and organised. Zero IQ between them...
@Ellio88
19 күн бұрын
@@AlanHeritage "After Skool" has interesting new vid. Daniel has been very patient and giving, for years. x
Nothing to do with us. Go away
If she is in our Parliament she should be dealing with grass roots issues in this country for the Australian people, not being an activist for a foreign country we don't need activists focused on their agendas!
Arguably, half of the folk we let into Australia over the past 50 years should have been sent home long. long ago
Go away
Gaza belongs to Israel. West bank, too. Jérusalem is the eternal capital of Israel. Leave Israel alone!
@gloriakunihira5047
19 күн бұрын
Thank you very much. ❤
@Ellio88
19 күн бұрын
@@Nass2020 But did you actually read this book by Salman rushdie?
@ERS2fast4U
19 күн бұрын
Yes Israel will be free of Hamas and those salvages in Gaza who support them (which is nearly all of them really)😁@@Nass2020
@FitnessandReactions
19 күн бұрын
@@Nass2020do you know the meaning of your words
@weeee2457
19 күн бұрын
Darling you shouldn't show your true colors like that on yhe internet ik you guys have a kink for killing natives but you sould try to hold it other wise your white saviour image won't hold up@@ERS2fast4U
Our own illan Ohmar. who needs enemies?.
Labor Greens Muslim party.
The Labour Party continues to do an appalling job of Senate candidate selection.
@Metamorphica2
17 күн бұрын
Muslims should never be able to be elected to parliament. Next thing we know, we'll have Sharia law imposed on us.
@raymckee2450
17 күн бұрын
A deliberate and vote grabbing selection process!!!!
Is she afghan? How can an afghan lady who has this chance to live far from Talibamism can support Talibanism?
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
17 күн бұрын
Taliban agent?
@amirhassanmonajemi9573
16 күн бұрын
@@technicianbis5250-ig1zd I don't know
@technicianbis5250-ig1zd
16 күн бұрын
@@amirhassanmonajemi9573 Deport her anyway. 😀
SACK PAYMAN NOW!!
Build the wall!
Hamas dead men walking.
Ah good old Lidia Thorpe ! She will likely claim to be part Palestinian...
@edmurks236
19 күн бұрын
😂🤣😅Wait till the Islamist colonize her !!!
@jenniferharrison8915
19 күн бұрын
Yes! I thought things were too quiet, where has she been, detox? 🤔
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
She isn't? 😮
@dalalsmiley5905
17 күн бұрын
Shame on you and your comments. You may disagree with Senator Thorpe but your disrespect is disgusting .
@bradwilliams1691
17 күн бұрын
Well, if Megain Markle can suddenly claim to be 43% Nigerian, Just ten minutes before her private plane actually lands in Nigeria?
yes when you don't filter your immigration in take . you get this result.
Why would anyone support their enemy and Islam has said it’s an enemy to the none believer or has they called us infidel .
She isn't Australian, she has no influence over me. I only listen to Australians, because Australians put Australia first.. anyone else is a pretender or a traitor.
@mikespike2099
19 күн бұрын
It’s time to invite her to an Aussie bbq and everyone enjoy delicious pork sausages! 😋 🌭
@L.A_S7r4y
19 күн бұрын
@@mikespike2099 extra pork
@raymckee2450
17 күн бұрын
Yes and Wong is not an Australian name! Her, with her slanted views are so abhorrent to real Australians!!
where Islam goes there is trouble
Just remember, the Palestinian government supports hamas ,.. Remember that Palestinian/hamas started this conflict...
I hope their paying the child actors in there fake videos more than minimum wage
You can be kind to a stray dog but there is no guarantee the it won’t bite you in the future.
Did Australia bring the wrong womans in Australia from Afghanistan??? YES WE DO.
Irony gammin dressing up as a Palestinian Lidia Thorpe
@edmurks236
19 күн бұрын
anything for attention.
@derekmottley3656
19 күн бұрын
@@edmurks236 Is it working for you 💩👉🤯
Is Fatima going to talk about the genocide caused by 1s1am in Afghan or the genocide of Christian’s in Pakistan … NO because it conflicts with her holier than though narrative!!! 😮😅
@jenniferharrison8915
19 күн бұрын
And Syria and Nigeria, etc!
@hwd7
19 күн бұрын
And Armenia.
@jenniferharrison8915
18 күн бұрын
@@hwd7 And Lebanon!
Paul Keating called it a compost heap with a cherry on top. I think we have lost the cherry last few years.
@user-ry6hy3vp1o
16 күн бұрын
He should have clarified, avrotted cherry.
When problems on the other side of the world become ours....
Is the cost of living getting to much for Albo. He needs money is he going to get $300. That will give him a huge boost.
@lornatodd4750
18 күн бұрын
I did think of that too. Not a silly question.
The people are the ones that suffer not the politicians.
HELLOOOOOOO the enemy within the ALP gateway to your wildest nightmare.... wake up Love from Chookland 💩💥 👋
Same is happening in the UK. Very predictable.
of course Labor sanctions terrorism in the middle east. in which middle east country could she represent constituents as a woman? maybe she could go their and fight the israeli army instead of talking...
@user-sf2vp2rh4b
19 күн бұрын
And Mr Wong giving them millions of our dollars to support Hamas. Traitor Wong.
She is Not Welcome here!!!
Oh no .. i missed the news of mass gave sites and body parts of children found of poor palestinians since 7th Oct .
Maybe she should take a look at the CCTV footage from October 7 which should answer her questions.
Is Australia not learning from the USA
@multioptioned
18 күн бұрын
Australia does not learn from the mistakes of any other countries.
Wake up Australia before it’s too late
They should be removed from.politics and parliament!!!!
This woman is a good example that some people should not be allowed to come to Australia because their loyalty will never be to Australia. Australia should be for Australians with Australian values..
She sounds like Greta.
IDF go hard or go home.
Free israel 🇮🇱
@jeffrey5952
6 күн бұрын
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@thebeerhunter817
5 күн бұрын
@@jeffrey5952 🙂
How on earth has this person being elected.?
Strange that a PROUD SOCIALIST owns a rental 🤡🤮
Sort it out
@Diponty
19 күн бұрын
Scissors, Paper and Rocks..winner takes all!
@martinepstein3332
19 күн бұрын
@@Diponty sort it out
Misinformation and disinformation. Have never ever in my 74 years heard these words used so much.
look at her name and you wont be surprised by her stand. how she get elected in the first place?
How did such an person with un Australian values get into our Parliament . Her values do not aline with Australian values at all. If she truly believes what she is saying, maybe she should leave Australia, and live where her views would be welcome, because they arent here.
What a surprise....not!
Fah tee ma? I am quite sure it's pronounced as Fatter ma.