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@martinvegas1327

3 жыл бұрын

Analytical sounding is tyring. They need a kick up the ass to get good again. Pm1 days are long gone!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinvegas1327 Ooh I loved the PM1s. That was SUCH A COOL speaker.

@gavriushka

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the tower in this series would sound the same to you, or separating the lows and mids entirely would somehow help the highs. Balance them out if you will. I have the 603 S2s paired with Rotel RA-1592. Never fatigued by them at all. But great review, thank you guys!

@zachariahadams

3 жыл бұрын

Man, no question of the day?

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@zachariahadams Not today. Sorry.

If reviewers actually had to spend their own money to buy the products they review, you might actually see more "negative" reviews. Much respect for Andrew telling his personal experience.

@bryanherr1093

3 жыл бұрын

He returned the speakers and spent $0.

@newsigmundfreud3023

2 жыл бұрын

@@bryanherr1093 By letting them know something to the effect “next time make sure you give it to me for free”... Maybe.

@namelessmusik4345

2 жыл бұрын

And by not reading the manual saying it needs 50h playtime for perfekt sound... I Hope he also didn't use the room in the Background

Having been in the business for more than 25 years.... "They ain't all winners". Tell it like YOU hear it. Thank you!

The "our employees love them" was a classic passive aggressive "What the F is wrong with you" statement from a company that is full of themselves. On a side note: As an audio engineer for 40 years I am surprised that audiophiles do not employ the strongest tool in an engineer's arsenal, graphic/parametric EQ. This is how we adapt systems to changing rooms and conditions to get the absolute best sound possible yet audiophiles seem to prefer to spend thousands on different amps and speakers trying to find a pairing that fits their listening space.

@richardramorino3319

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!! As an audiophile I have always been flabbergasted that people will spend thousands of dollars on cables, and amps, and stands and all kinds of crazy shit to try and eke out a small change in sound when they ignore the 5 gorillas in the room…the actual room. For most of we consumer level audiophiles I believe the answer is software like DIRAC. Help tame the room and you can add or subtract frequency response of your system to suit your taste.

@Hirnlego999

2 жыл бұрын

This is why i use headphones mostly these days.

You won me for life for saying that you recognize that your negative review could put you outside of the free/early access from B&W’s marketing team. As a marketer, I know the background game of incentives and access used to put pressure on reviewers. And B&W are GIANTs in the industry. To put that relationship in jeopardy, and to let people in on what happens behind the curtain, truly shows the depth of your character. Something that I, as a viewer, rarely trust in online “personalities.”

@Terry12345

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@jaredhylton6591

3 жыл бұрын

Not just B&W, but keep in mind that we are talking about Sound United here, that is much bigger than just B&W. I also applaud the honesty here and hope you continue to receive products from Sound United in the future.

I personally appreciate the honesty you have shown here. As a product manager for products outside this industry, this kind of reviews hurt, however, it does give us product designers a feel for where we stand and where we need to go. That is better than not knowing at all or being misled. Honesty is always the best policy. Sound United would be fools to not leverage your input and knowledge in the future. As a follower of your channel, as well as others, we must remember that sometimes we just have to hear it for ourselves. God bless. Keep up the good work.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Scott, I appreciate your candor very much! Thank you!

@daledrolet1332

3 жыл бұрын

HI Scott. Your comment here are right on point! Totally agree. To me, these type of reviews are an opportunity for companies to improve their products. As a former purchaser for a hardware company, I often wondered why we had high returns on certain products. These type of reviews would have helped us improve and make changes to products and improve the quality.

I respect your opinion on the 606 S2, though I disagree with it. I auditioned the Elac Debut Reference, the Kef LS 50 Meta, and the Klipsch RP 600M before settling on the B&W 606 S2. My subjective impression's were: the Elac's sounded dull and lifeless, the LS50's imaged like no tomorrow, but had weak midrange and bass, and the Klipsch sounded harsh and analytical. I thought the 606 sounded the most well rounded of that group, so I bought them. I have listened to my 606's for hours at a time, with no fatigue. The last music I listened to was Junior Brown's greatest hits on CD and Miles Davis Kind Of Blue on 45rpm Mofi vinyl. Very different music and sources, but the B&W's sounded great to me. It might be as you said, my 59 year old ears can't compete with yours in discernment and sensitivity. To all that have commented that they will now avoid the 606 S2 based on this review, I say, this is just one man's subjective opinion, and I respect it. But, listen to these for yourself and make your decision based on personal experience. I use reviews like this as a guide, not a blueprint.

@KristiWright

3 жыл бұрын

I respect and appreciate your thoughtful comment, Robert. I share your thoughts with the Elac speakers and very much liked the KEF Metas. I was not a huge fan of the 600M despite being a lover of the klipsch sound. In the end, I 100% agree that anyone considering these should listen to them for themselves and make their up their own minds. Thank you so much for sharing your own personal experience.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Robert, you may have just won my comment of the day. Thank you and I agree with you 100%.

@jonlevinson3000

3 жыл бұрын

You phrased this so much better than I could. Thank you. My experience with the 606 S2 parallels yours.

@HomeTheatre101

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t have said it better. I love mine!

@tomhound273

2 жыл бұрын

Robert - your comment makes sense. When you poll the reviews by very qualified reviewers - the 607-2 is quite well thought of.

Everyone, Good evening (or morning)! First, let me just say that I appreciate you all watching and for all your comments and support, even if you disagree with my views or approach to this review. I am writing to address a comment I've seen more than once on this video. With respect to "break-in", it is no secret that I think a lot of lip service is paid to the concept of break-in. To be clear, I believe both pairs of loudspeakers we had purchased for this review were appropriately "broken in." I think it is appropriate for loudspeaker drivers to be given time to loosen up, stretch their legs so to speak, but no, I did not let them play for hundreds upon hundreds of hours before listening. Here is the issue with the break-in argument from MY perspective. I've said this in a prior video, but I feel it is more likely that one gets "used to" the sound of their new speakers rather than the new speaker miraculously knowing just how to "change" so that the outcome is (always) positive. The larger question I have surrounding break-in is this; why is it that no speaker seems to get worse with break-in? So while I do not personally believe in break-in, I do believe in giving a speaker time to loosen up and that time was given to each of these speakers repeatedly. We also used these speakers with a barrage of electronics, all of which we've mostly had for a year or more and that I am intimately familiar with. So while I will likely never convince you of my views having to do with break-in, know that you will most assuredly not change my mind to yours either. So, let's be respectful, and just agree to disagree. But I hope this helps answer any questions surrounding the issue going forward. Thanks everyone and I appreciate you watching! Be well! -Andrew

@mrjuanderfuI

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah if someone can tell me how to measure any difference after "break-in" I would accept it as fact. I always tell people I'd be glad to wager $1,000 if you can show me some evidence of any sonic difference (especially with the ludicrous hundreds of hours proposed). No one has ever taken me up on it... Hmmmm I wonder why?

@KC-bv9kf

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with your points about speakers “break-in”. It got so ludicrous that there was a whole cottage industry to break-in speakers. If there was anything positive about the 2007 financial meltdown was that it eliminated some of the snake oils. That break-in argument is a cop out by the manufacturers and a pass by the reviewers. On a more serious matter, can you comment on how much time were given to break in the speaker cables? 😁

@chrisrizzo627

3 жыл бұрын

Well said Andrew. Keep up the great work!

@andreasmoller9798

3 жыл бұрын

I think break in is very real, noticed that my self when i got b&w 702 s2 as listen everyday i can easily spot of their is a difference the most difference is most noticeable with bass after run in

@andreasmoller9798

3 жыл бұрын

@@Pete.across.the.street while their character will stay the same no matter of its run in or not, but behavior change on the speaker after burn in, my 702 e.x was agressive and thin sounding, but they calm down eventully after some weeks

This is why I come here. No BS. Though it sucks for you, it’s a wonderful tool for us. I live (by choice) out in small town America and we just can’t drive over to the local hifi shop to audition gear. Nice to be able to come here and get some straight shooting.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

We try to keep it 100 all the time.

@knifeswitch5973

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews and you do one hell of a good job

@ruk2023--

3 жыл бұрын

You say no BS, but Andew hates all the B&W products he reviews, and loves all the Yamaha AS line of amplifiers, which I personally think sound average to good so you might be getting no BS but you are getting a load of BiaS.

Good for you guys for having the balls to say what you believe even if it can be against your own interests to do so. True sign of character.

The truth is: we, as consumers, do need negative reviews.

@MrCollective

2 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily negative, but unbias honesty. Ever manufacturer needs to prove why their product is worth our money. Even if we enjoy the products they've produced in the past. So if that's what you meant then yes.

Andrew and Christy I am so proud of you guys being honest I will continue falling you and reviewing you on KZread thank you very much take care

I’m late to the game and just picked these up as an affordable upgrade to a hifi turntable system and I gotta say these speakers are legit! It works for all kinds of music. Loud rock, soft folk, blues, jazz, all of it. Any volume and honestly any placement. I do have sensitive hearing and don’t like anything shrill. There’s nothing shrill about these speakers. Smooth and clear and full! I did biwire with 12g new wire. I hooked them up to A and B channels on a Marantz pm6007 and my source is a new Technics SL 1500c. Couldn’t be happier!

Greatly appreciate your Honor, Courage, and Commitment to Excellence and Integrity! Your Core Values and standards reflect the very reason I seek your opinions and reviews! Thank you. Very respectfully, Billy P. Martin

Thank you for your honest content. Almost every manufacturer has something a reviewer can praise, but jot with every product. 4 times over the last 20 years I’ve done everything I could to try to buy b&w, but simply couldn’t get them to easily create the timbre, timing and soundstage I desired. As gut wrenching as this review seemed to be for you two, I applaud your heart and honesty. Thank you.

I'm over 55 with 15% hearing loss in my L ear 5% in the right. I've had the 606 for about 2 years (among other brands new and old). I pair the 606s with a Yamaha 801 and for me I really like the fact I can now hear things I've never heard before. Usually I run both channels/4 speakers of different makes and models and add a sub. I appreciate the tone controls on the Yamaha because sometimes the brightness is even too much for me. Its crazy how we all don't like the same things. And with that I thank you for your channels honesty.

I absolutely love my pair. To be honest what you described is exactly what I experienced before burn in. Its only after a few weeks of listening where the 606s came to life.

As a long time B&W fan with the 600 's in my home. I love hearing a honest review. You have the amazing position of testing and listening many different builds. I just realized why my wife is always telling me to turn the B&Ws down . When she even loves to listen to loud music. It all makes sense now! THANK YOU!

With this review you’ve gained my respect and have truly confirmed that I subbed to the right channel. Really appreciate what you do; and have now turned on the bell icon so I never miss a video. Thank-you very much for the time and effort you put in to your content. Much appreciated! Hope you have a wonderful day.

@TechWiz1983

3 жыл бұрын

@Bob I wasn’t born yesterday and couldn’t be further from naive. You sound like the gullible type that has that ‘sheep’ mentality. Loyal to trash no matter how trashy it is.

Have loved B&W for two decades. Keep your honesty and keep detailing your personal journey. It brings authenticity and real insight into *your* review process and final result. I commend you for taking your authenticity to the correct level, despite possible deprecations.

Great review. Guys, you are killin it. I love, love, love the bonus convo with Kristi. The mix of humor, expertise and huge heart make yours my favorite series on KZread. Membership, here I come. What y'all do is harder work than it seems- on so many levels. And I truly appreciate every bit of it.

I think you handled the review perfectly. Buying 2 pair of speakers and contacting the manufacturer directly to discuss. Couldn't be more fair than that!

I’ve heard the 606S2 speakers in several settings (retail and home), and I was very pleased with the way they performed. Have listed to them paired with a Rega Brio Amp and a Bluesound Powernode (N330), and I found them very engaging and dynamic. Of course, every listener must decided for themselves, but to me they were fantastic performers.

Hey Andrew, great video! I have the 683 s1 towers, center htm61 and the 685 rears.... ive always wanted to know whats the best brand of receiver to pair up with them and also your take on these (bought new in 2014) speakers in terms of sound deficiencies and if they are overall great sounding? These are my 1st ever ref speakers and i like them a lot but sometimes i feel that gap feeling you mentioned. Im using a Pioneer Elite sc-79 with them but i would like to know if i should have gone with say a Denon or Marantz, Yamaha reciever instead to show off these speakers to its fullest potential?

Believe me when I say this. This review is why I watch your reviews. I want honesty, and sometimes a Company doesn't get it right or they change things that doesn't work for everyone. And if this review closes doors for you, then that tells me that those Companies are not being true to their customers. By being honest and candid, you gained my trust even more. At my age, I'm over people telling me what they think I want to hear. Your honesty is greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jim. Appreciate your candor and for giving us a moment of your time this morning! Be well!

Good review Andrew & bravo for being honest & giving us your impressions. I appreciate your candor & you could see it in your face there was no joy in your results. You can see the disappointment., Thx again for the review. This is why I subscribe. 👍

@bazjed5881

3 жыл бұрын

I think you have summoned up my feelings re this review. 👌

Running a Project X2 with PickIt 2m Silver and Moon 240i with these speakers. It's my first "big boy" system after collection and listening for 20 years. Very happy so far but thinking of moving to the 603, Martin Logan 20i or Focal....thoughts?

I had to watch this a couple of times and I thank you and Kristi’s point of view. It was a tough to watch you try to find something you liked about these speakers. Your honesty is the what makes your channel great.

Thank you for this review. I demoed these side by side with Dali Oberon 1s and thought they sounded terrible compared to the Dalis. When I looked online I couldn't understand why these speakers were getting such glowing reviews.

Thank you for being open and honest and raw with us. Both of you. If Bowers and Wilkins pulls the plug on sending you things because you don’t post smiley reviews when the product hits you this way then its their loss. We very much still believe in you both and all that you do. Thank you again

I have the 606, but not S2 edition. Paired with an Onkyo RZ50. I love the sound. Really enjoy this channel and respect your opinion. Thanks for being honest to what you think

I watched this review before I went and tried these speakers out for myself at my local audio shop. I couldn’t be any happier with my purchase. I have them set up in a 3.2x3.2m insulated room with a 1.8x1.5m double glazed window - on the matching B&W stands 500mm from the back and side wall as recommended. After playing them for around 50 hours with various types of music they’ve really opened up. They’re a bit on the bright side, as the 600 S2 series is (I have a set of 603 S2’s in my main living area) but they don’t seem aggressively bright to me. I find them very accurate with that beautiful B&W sound and they do pack a good punch in the lower end too. I’m not using these on ‘high end’ gear either. I’m Using an early 00’s Yamaha AX-596 Natural Sound Stereo amplifier as a preamp into a Rotel RB1582 power amplifier. I have been sitting and playing them for many hours at a time and I haven’t found them fatiguing. I’d recommend to anyone thinking about these speakers to go and try them for yourself with similar gear to what you use at home and decide for yourself before purchasing. It might be a bad experience like it was for Andrew or it might be an incredible one like mine. Love these speakers!

@simonleger9110

2 жыл бұрын

I've had my b&w 607 speakers for over a year now. I absolutely adore them. As I still live with my parents, I have them in my rather small bedroom and I find they fill the room wonderfully. When I eventually move out and add to my set-up, I'm definitely sticking with Bowers & Wilkins!

@namelessmusik4345

2 жыл бұрын

I realy think has tested them right out of the box without letting them play for a while... I realy can't understand his video after also been in a hifi Store and comparing so many speaker

It's refreshing to see a negative review, and I'm a B&W fanboy.

@KristiWright

3 жыл бұрын

So are we.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

I assure you Matt I did not set out to make a negative review. This was a complete shock to me. I appreciate you watching!

Enormous respect for your honesty, thank you.

Thank you for doing this review. I admire your honesty. I've learned through hard experience that matching speakers and amps can be a difficult experience. Due to location many of my purchases have been made based on reviews, not listening. Which has led to a 5 star reviewed amp being bought then sold as well as many other purchases and sales. I've finally ended up with a mid-fi system that I love. I've also learned to be highly selective about which reviewers to bother with. You are excellent, keep up the good work.

Thank you for an honest review. I’m sure it’s tough to do when you depend on manufacturers sending you equipment to review. Speaks to your integrity.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

We're always honest with you guys, but no lie, it's difficult to do this job when you know you can't just buy all the gear you need to bring you guys the content you're hungry for.

@joepop8122

3 жыл бұрын

@Bob Well it would be a boring world without naive dolts like myself.

Another great well reasoned and thoughtful review. Appreciate that though the speakers weren't sent from the manufacturer you still reached out to get their statement on them.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Hi Andrew - greetings from the UK. I have read that the anniversary edition of this speaker addresses some of the high frequency issues - I have listened to a pair albeit for a relatively short period of time & they sounded very well balanced. Do you have any views on the Linn Majik 109s - more expensive and quite an old model now?

Hi Andrew, After going a lot of reviews bought the speaker and I really agree with you, Paired with Rotel A14 fidelity lacks even after 50hrs of Usage thr is some sought of foggy element in audio and I am not able to find out where lies the problem is it the amp or speaker, Can you give ur opinion

I confess that your reviews are excellent and sincere, I particularly appreciate that about you.

One of my favorite things to do while watching a review of any audio gear if the reviewer mentions a track they used during their testing I will pause the video and go listen to the track on my system and compare what I hear to what the reviewer said they hear from the gear they are reviewing. I am happy to say that my Canton Vento 896.2's sound amazing while listening to Audioslave's Show me how to live. I actually had that album when I was a teenager and it was one of my favorites. I feel like I've re-discovered it now so thank you Andrew Robinson!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Oh Audioslave slays on Canton.

Thank you for the review. Where could I find a review for the floor standing 603 S2 anniversary?

How do these compare to the previous version of the 606s in terms of the high frequency response?

I auditioned six speakers during my purchase and among them were 606's. I auditioned fyne, linn, focal, dali and as part of the process I brought along my wife as a neutral, she had no knowledge of price or which I was leaning towards, I also used my own amp. She rounded it down to the linn and Bowers and when I then told her the price difference we opted 606's. I would like to add I could of had any one but I've never regretted my choice.

@EntropyConcept

2 жыл бұрын

👍

Honesty is the best policy. Don't worry guys, BnW are not likely to black list you for one accurate and honest review. Lol Real and honest reviews are are always worth listening to and are more thought provoking than same stuff different day product reviews. This was far more interesting than biased opinion based on preference from brand loyalty or sponsor driven buzz. You two got real and i like it. Keep up the great work , you two are awesome.

Nice to see a reviewer go out on a limb for the subscriber and not simply stay silent when they hear a speaker they do not like. Not everyone will agree. But at least you gave an opinion and I think that is fabulous

I have the non-anniversary 607 have you had a chance to listen to these and what's your opinion verse me anniversary models I'm running it off of Yamaha 502

@namelessmusik4345

2 жыл бұрын

Actually they are almost the same. When you look inside the capacitor looks different however they almost sound identical

@mzondi1970

2 жыл бұрын

@@namelessmusik4345 I don't know if I'm just used to the sound but I don't find them very harsh at all hooked to my Yamaha amp

I appreciate the honesty and I know that in your position this can be a difficult thing to do. In the end you're the customer. They're your speakers and everyone gets to have their unique experience and opinions. I've actually tried to get a pair of these in and haven't had any luck. My experience with much higher end B/W's left me a bit curious about their more affordable offerings. As always, great job and thanks for your candor. I'm a bit treble sensitive and it would appear that these probably wouldn't be the speaker for me.

@KristiWright

3 жыл бұрын

❤️

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Randy. I have been a fan and customer of the brand for years, and while I have noticed changes over the years, nothing prepared me for this. If you're treble sensitive or like Audioslave (I know you do) avoid this speaker.

@StellarAudyssey

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews The only solution for this, is a Between Two Speakers part 2 haha

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

@@StellarAudyssey Randy is trying to make that happen. I might let him...if he keeps being good 😂

@cheapaudioman

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews it’s funny. I actually pulled out that record on the my Andover video that went up today. I’m really sensitive around the 2k-4K ranges and when Kristi mentioned Alanis and sibilance I know exactly what you were hearing. Some of her recordings lean that way anyway but if a speaker is prone to that then it will definitely be on display.

I have the b&w dm602s2 when I had naim nait5i amp and cd5i I found they caused my 602s to sound pretty bright in the high frequencies but soon as I swapped them with yamaha ax396 and onkyo CD player I found my music gained more detail and my b&ws forward treble was brought back under control and became more dynamic and detailed

Thanks for the review. For somebody who like B&W sound, which B&W do you suggest that perform great ? Thanks Andrew

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

We loved both the Formation Duo and 702 Signature (after much tinkering/watch that review for guidance) but I will admit both of those speakers had more forward tendencies than my favorite B&W speakers of the past. I very much liked the original 802D, PM1, and CT series. The first two are no longer available but I believe you can still get hands on the CT series.

@AlainLafleche1

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews thank you

Thank you for your honesty not only in the video, but also in the title and thumbnail.

Thank you both for your honest opinion! I value your thoughts and trust your judgment based on the experience I have had with your reviews! I can't put a price on the value of the information you have given me in my hifi Journey! To say I appreciate you both is an understatement!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Well we appreciate you too Josh and thank you for your comment. Be well!

I hear the pain in your review of these speakers, but thank you for being honest about this, I took your advice on the Klipsch 8000f's and have love them from day one. Honesty is getting harder to find on internet, glad I found it here.

May I know what amplifier did u use for this????

Thank you for your honesty! I am not looking to replace any of my speakers but I still enjoy listening to audio reviews and it's always refreshing to get a non hype review. This is one of the reasons I subscribed to your channel and once again thank you!

I own a pair of B&W 606s, not Anniversary Series Edition sitting on their proprietary stands filled with zinc granules. They sound excellent and l wonder why your opinion of the Anniversary models is such as it is? Can my normal 606s be that much better? I do run them with a REL T-5 sub on the outside right, although they don't necessarily require it as the full range is impressive. I'm a musician, playing bass guitar and bass trombone, and wouldn't persevere with a substandard-sounding hi-fi.....Thanks. Den Finch.

I think the reason we all watch you is for your honesty! AND you've never let us down!!

@KristiWright

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate you, Les.

I‘ve just picked up my pair from my HiFi Dealer. I have been actively looking for a new pair of Bookshelf speakers to replace my ancient Grundig speakers. Last year, i auditioned the Dali Oberon 3 vs. the 606 S2 on a Bluesound Powernode. From that listening I totally agree with your review. In that scenario, the high end was squeeky and they didn’t sound good at all. I almost bought the Dali, but I wanted to listen to more speakers to narrow down my decision. Last week, I went to another store to listen to some bookshelf speakers again. The salesmen instantly suggested the 606 S2 and was astonished by my experience in the other store. So I listened to the ELAC Debut Reference at first, but right afterwards switched to the 606 S2 and the difference was big. The 606 were sounding absolutely stunning, totally different then I remembered. After listening to different genres of music, I bought these speakers. I am in the burn-in process but so far I am really enjoying them coupled to my Cambridge Audio AXR100D. But I can definetly understand where you are coming from.

Hello. I have ordered bowers 706 s2 without demo as demo is not possible where I live . I will be pairing them with my old Harman Kardon 3380 stereo receiver. I have heard reviews that these speakers sound bright / harsh so one cannot listen for too long ? Doesone have to do any tonal adjustments to 706 s2 for listening?

@MasterofPlay7

5 ай бұрын

throw in a tube amp/preamp to tame the treble, like aiyima T8 is cheap good option

You guys act like you shot someone's dog. It's a bad speaker, it happens, just keep up the honesty.

@KristiWright

3 жыл бұрын

Just doing our best to be professional. When we really love something, it’s all “paid review” in the comments. If we had dropped the hammer on this speaker with a smile on our face and a Parks & Rec clip of Ron throwing his computer in the trash, I don’t think that would have gone over very well either. Which leaves me feeling like the goal posts are constantly moving.

@colossusrageblack

3 жыл бұрын

@@KristiWright I get it, keep it up.

Andrew, thank you for your honest and subjective review. I appreciate the time you put into these. To anybody wasting their time with a negative post, get over it. It's a speaker review on KZread, and he may have a point!

I love you both so hard for this review! It must have been difficult, but I respect you guys soo much for doing this. Your videos are TOP NOTCH and I'm always waiting for the next one! Also, I've heard these multiple times, in different shops, with good gear powering them, and I completely agree with you both. God bless you guys!

Thanks for your honest review. I have a pair of 16 year old DM302’s that I bought new. They are still with me.

Very interesting... Actually using my 606 S2 right now and I love mine! I also have some Klipsch and these aren’t as bright. The details pop. They are not harsh or fatiguing imo.

You've earned a subscription from me based on this review. I learned in management that the hardest thing to do is give a bad performance review and I'm sure thats equally true in review hifi equipment. My experience with the B&W 606s was the same as yours. These speakers are just bright and forward sounding. Curious abouth the sound of the Elac Carinas. Thanks for being bold enough to say what you felt about these speakers. If you've earned the wrath of B&W so be it. Your viewers deserve your honest opinion.

Any thoughts on the 603, or plans to review?

I bought a pair of 606s two months ago and like them a lot. I took your advice - I figured my 70+ year old ears wouldn't be too concerned with the speaker being "too bright." My collection is 100% classical. I'm also using a standard AV receiver. Perfectly happy.

I’ve been following your channel for around a year already and I must say that you guys don’t have to apologize for slaughtering a bad product specially when the manufacturer seems to be proud of their poor work and if Bowers decides not to send you any other products for review because of this one then they are the ones who loose the chance to have their gear being seen by the almost 200K of us who follows this channel.

I bought these as my first set of speakers and I second everything you said. I always thought it was me pairing them with my Cambridge Cxa60 that caused the fatigue, I guess not. Appreciate the honesty Andrew.

@asm200sx

3 жыл бұрын

They are fatiguing with the Cambridge CXA60, I have the Cambridge and the 606 S2. When matched with the NAD C368 they are not fatiguing.

Hey just wondered if you tried in a different room? As heard some new washing machine in customer house reverberating and making some mad bassy noise at a certain rpm . Just wondering if it combined with your room to sound awful? I'm picking up these soon so interesting to see results 🙂

@andrewrobinsonreviews

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah we tried it in a completely different house: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kaR_2ZKgZpOfh5c.html

Hi Andrew I would love hear from you about the new lossless audio from apple music and how to properly play it from an apple tv or any apple device, Thanks love the channel.

Thanks for the honest review. I hope it shames the reviewers that say "I never publish a negative review". They are basically saying "I don't care if the consumer is screwed over". Good work Robinsons!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate you watching, Alan. RE: Shaming - That is not the goal here. Other reviewers have to do what works for them. This was simply our experience.

Wow . Good honesty I really like them . Im using a 150 watt pre , power amp combination. Biwired with good copper cable. Forward treble yes but clear, clean and detailed for me . Tonally Quite neutral speakers , fast dynamics and while not the deepest bass, very tight and detailed . My amps are smooth so everyone says in reviews .

@mikef5659

2 жыл бұрын

YES. "Forward treble yes but clear, clean and detailed for me . Tonally Quite neutral speakers , fast dynamics and while not the deepest bass, very tight and detailed". That is exactly correct.

Thanks for the transparency. I was saving up to get these to upgrade my budget Klipsch R-51Ms, looks like I may just keep them. Also, what are those sick tripod speakers stands?

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Hi AR1OCH79, Thanks for tuning in! You'll find that information in the description box just below the video's title.

Any experience with good recordings of classical music? That's practically all I listen to. I have to replace some B&W DM7 Mk1.

Andrew spent too much time trying to convince himself that what he heard wasn't a mess... This was a bit hard to watch... Your job is to review speakers and Bowers to make them better. Audio is subjective and there will be a spectrum from 1-10 on these. So what if Bowers is upset? Honesty is ALWAYS the best policy. TOO MANY reviewers kiss up to the big brands like they're feeding them, and its quite sad. Keep being honest for your viewers, INTEGRITY is everything!!!!!!

@KristiWright

3 жыл бұрын

I understand the point you are trying to make but as you can see by the comments, people not just B&W, feel VERY strongly about this and their own beliefs. Had we not made every effort to confirm our findings, it would be even worse. Despite the lengths gone to in order to make certain the speakers weren’t broken not to mention reaching out to BW for comment, viewers still attack our credibility and integrity. We knew this would happen going in because that IS the nature of people and this business.

@JamaicaSocial

3 жыл бұрын

@@KristiWright this is why being a CEO or President of the USA or any form of leader is such a tough job, because at some point you're gonna be forced to make a call and live with it and it may be unpopular. BUT do you do it for fear of a handful of people or do you just DO THE RIGHT THING... Kristi you and Andrew have to sleep at nights with a clear conscience, and the money and fans will come and go, but be comforted by the fact that you did your honest doing.... Remember, despite all the good Jesus did, there were many who still hated him. Many reviewers on here wanna be everybody's friend and they enjoy living in that gray area of just asking questions, but not definitely saying what they truly think about the product, for fear if a negative feedback and brands not sending them products giving them perks and access. We the viewers don't want vague assumptions, we wanna know your genuine experience with the product and if it sucks SAY IT and hold your head up high because you told the TRUTH.

Thank you so much for the honest review. Keep up the good work. I'm super sensitive to high frequencies and I was thinking of buying these speakers or 607 S2. You two saved me a lot of time, money, and headage. I do like BW as a company and I hope they understand that reviews are reviews. If you don't like something... You should always tell that to consumers. If BW puts you on some blacklist. Then I'll blacklist the company that started my audio hobby 20 years ago.

Is this the same case in the 603 S2 Anniversary Edition? They are 3 way speakers and have a different crossover I believe. I've the opportunity to get these for 1000$ and I'm kind of on the fence. For what I've listened to them they seemed fine but now I'm kind of nervous about the purchase.

Replacing the cheap metal jumpers between the woofer and tweeter terminals is necessary to get reasonable sound from the 607s. And, I had to place on lower stands to balance the drivers.

As your review was progressing, I was thinking this might be good for people with high frequency hearing loss. Then bam you covered that.

I've had the non-anniversary version of the 606 paired with Marantz PM6006 for a few years now, and I've never regretted my choice. Generally listen to 70s music (Queen, Jethro Tull, Abba) but predominantly Metal and I've never experienced fatigue or felt that the high end is too bright. In fact, I prefer the brightness...it makes the experience more engaging. But perhaps that's why this is all very subjective. When I first got it I gave it a solid 50hrs of play-in and it's been smooth sailing ever since. I'm actually pretty surprised that these speakers gave you guys such a terrible listening experience, that's really unfortunate - My wife and I just had a much much different experience. Thanks for the review though.

Hi Andrew, Are you completely sure the speakers have had enough break in time? That may take 100 hours or more. Tip to address too much highs: take nano tape, cut a small circle (diameter less than 1 cm) out of it and glue it central on the metal grid of the tweeter. This barrier may take away excessive treble without any drawbacks whatsoever. I "tamed" my Thiel CS6 tweeters this way.

Hello, what about the original 606 and 607? Is the older tweeter much better?

@Ian-bl2xo

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

I so enjoy Kristi's contributions, especially here. That you both are so on the same page with this, is remarkable. The female ear for sound is quite different than the male. That you, Andrew gave this honest and untempered hard review (as is your usual) is "sweet"! It's as If one of your best friends let you down. Aaaaand.....though it may be true, Mr. Kerrr gave a typical corporate review not really delving into your consumer concerns as a long time advocate of the B&W products.

@KristiWright

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jon!

I very much appreciate the honesty and integrity demonstrated in this video. You could have easily shilled a mixed review to maintain your relationship with B&W, but instead placed your reputation and editorial independence above all. Also, thank you for airing the ethical quandary you both felt about how to review these speakers. That kind of ethical torment over saying something negative about something you love is something I as a Canadian deeply identify with. Andrew, Kristie: I think you both became honourary Canadians in this video 😁🇨🇦

Just wondering, how long did you burn it in? I’ve noticed some speakers don’t sound good out of the box and takes time to get broken in.

@bagelhunk

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they were intended with people with receivers. Receivers lack clarity and sound muffled compared to dedicated amps and integrated.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Please look for my remarks on burn in elsewhere in the comments.

i had these on my radar, and the 607 s2 was reviewed well by some, but i never picked them up because of other priorities. it’s nice to hear a different take, and i believe both of you. so good for me that i don’t have buy these someday. will just stick with the speakers i have.

It took me a day or two to get to this one. I come to your channel (and others) for several reasons, but the MAIN reason is your honest opinion on gear and design. I am not looking for an ad for certain products. If I wanted a 'yes man' I'd just go to these companies' websites. Certainly we understand the fact that a product will miss the target once and a while. I am surprised it doesn't happen more often. Keep up the amazing work. Move along, haters. Nothing to see here. :)

So no-one like to call out the mega brand and for me I'm a fan and live literally 5 minutes from the factory in Worthing... However I bought a pair of 606's (non anniversary) and what struck me out of the box was the very lightweight build quality of the cabinet and the basic 90's Aiwa finish. I just bought some little Wharfedale diamonds at the same time and they had way more heft but I do love the simple, clean look of the front baffle. Anyways after setting them up I found the speaker really, really bright even at minimal volume. I gave them some run in time but still very bright and they get harsh as the volume increases. I now don't really listen to them that much as a result even though I love the sound stage and the bass. Another thing that surprised me... I just happened to peer into the back with my flashlight one day and a part of the magnet is chipped off from the factory!

Well done guys on a very honest review ....I learned after several years and many different versions of B&W’s that their sound is simply too bright and never relaxing. I switched to Dynaudio and haven’t looked back!

Hello everyone! I am quite new to the audiophile world and getting me own personal experience along the way. I am 16 and have had these speakers for almost a year now. I paired them with an NAD D 3045 and use them daily. The sit on my desk and use them with my computer. I have loved using them and never found them to be fatiguing at all. I don't have many references that are mine but I have used my fathers 606 (first edition) for over 3 years as well as some other high end floor standers. I really like the 607 S2 as they feel to bring a natural sound with well balanced highs and mids. One thing to note is the bass can get overwhelming over long listening sessions so I place the a little closer to the wall and use the foam inserts provided. Hope this helps anyone!

Blown away. I’ve found your reviews and Zero Fidelity’s really reliable so wasn’t expecting such a divide on a product like this. He typically hates B&W but liked the 607s, and he’s usually not at all into a hyperactive high end. Thanks for the review.

@michaelbdougherty

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, I just looked back at Zero’s review and you both basically heard it the same, but he suggested very specific pairing information to get the best out of the 607s.

@KristiWright

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Had we found an amplifier than helped correct the tweeter’s high end frequency issues, we would have absolutely shared that information with you. From our perspective, we went out of our way to find a solution that would benefit this speaker. After all, we put something like 6 different amplifiers to these two speakers (the 606 and 607) to no avail. Once B&W confirmed that they did not see system matching (beyond a 30W recommendation) as a requirement to get the best from these speakers, we moved on. I have no idea what Sean used in his review process so I won’t speak to that. I believe that if this issue we found was correctable, we’d have found a way and we simply did not. Sean claims that he got used to sound after time. We did not. It’s that simple.

@michaelbdougherty

3 жыл бұрын

@@KristiWright Yeah, I was grateful for your perspective and could tell it was obviously a disappointment. I’m normally with Sean in liking more relaxed, controlled and warm sound signatures so was surprised he opened up to this. Anyway, love what you do. You guys got me really hyped for the Technics, I think that might be our living room endgame.

@tw9668

3 жыл бұрын

@MB D @Kristi Wright - In Sean's review, he did mentioned the speakers are not for everyone. Even Sean himself needs several days to slowly "get used to" the sound signature. It is a subtle way to say the speakers' high frequency response is boosted beyond most other speakers he reviewed.

Ultimate respect for your complete honesty on this, I can hear how hard it was for you to present this review. 911 meeting at B&W tomorrow for sure, & I hope they learn from this & get those speakers back on the drawing board.

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

We do have that sort of pull.

@jdekong3945

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews Your channel is very much the gold standard Mr Robinson & I`m pleased to have found it

Hey Andrew, loved the speaker stands you use on this video, what brand/model are they? THANKS!

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Hi net news, Thanks for tuning in! You'll find that information in the description box just below the video's title.

@net_news

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews oh!! I didn't see it!! THANKS!!

Thanks for your review. What are your thoughts on the now discontinued earlier version of BW 606 S1 (if I may call them that).?

@andrewrobinsonreviews

3 жыл бұрын

Are you talking about their very first generation?

@riteshsingh1044

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews yes. The first generation BW 606.

@riteshsingh1044

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrobinsonreviews Yes. The first generation BW 606.

Do you apply this same opinion to the larger 603? Do you have any opinion of def tech demand d17s?

@mike-pw8hi

2 жыл бұрын

i got to demo the 704 s2 which the upper model. after bying my founder 80f speakers and the 704 s2 sound harsh when i played rock music

Which receiver would you recommend in the 400-700$ range to power up these speakers? Or the speakers of this category (KEF Q350, Klipsch RP600)? This will be my first hifi setup @robinsionbrand

Yes, Danny at GR Research pulled the 607's apart and they were pretty much garbage. The crossover used 1st order filters which are totally inappropriate for the drivers that Bowers is using. The boxes have way too much resonance and the frequency response of the speaker is very messy. And Andrew and Kristi gave these speakers a very fair try out.

@carlosaguilar6743

2 жыл бұрын

Dany usually updates all the speakers that falls on his hands is His Business 😬😆

Thanks for the honesty and openness, that's why you are one of my and others' favorite to listen to for reviews and info on electronics. Stick to your guns, and don't be so "apologetic" keep up the good work, you'll are doing great!.

My hats off to You Madam and Sir. Your honesty is much appreciated by your loyal audience. Your claims are valid because you are consumers that care. Your integrity is showing - and we thank you for it.