It truly is amazing how much the KZread recording artist community just benefited from a $20 thrift store purchase. Thank you for all the work you put into these videos, you are very talented.

@watchandjewelryloft4713

Жыл бұрын

Not just that, but he was feeling unmotivated and just wanted to check out his local shop to sort of chill. Amazing find and going down the rabbit hole with him was so great.

@zkassai.audio.2

Жыл бұрын

@@watchandjewelryloft4713 heck, I'd say I benefited even from the simple idea to check out local shops when feeling unmotivated. It's something that happens to me fairly often, and I already really like "junk shops", as he calls them, so...

@garybrockwell2031

Жыл бұрын

Very informative 👍🤔🗣️💯🇬🇧

@G.Man-

Жыл бұрын

This comment is pin worthy

@1101agaoj

Жыл бұрын

You have accomplished something truly wonderful for many artists and those who love their music! Thank you

"I'm not only a samplist, i'm also the creator of decent sampler" Didn't expected this kind of surprise, didn't knew DS had microtonal support now!

@Metamerist625

Жыл бұрын

I too enjoyed this plot twist!

@AlbySilly

Жыл бұрын

wahoo

@acheyawachtel9409

Жыл бұрын

It was like a villain reveal Absolute gold

@charlienyc1

10 ай бұрын

It nearly went into ad territory there. However, the sampler is a product I would certainly consider supporting if / when I work on electronic music. Seems like the dev. support would be excellent.

@Furyflow

Ай бұрын

I had to laugh here too! I am glad I am not the only one that didn't know.

I am Turkish and I find this incredible! Thank you so much for putting the effort to create the 'Albanian Scale'. I will try to incorporate this into a psytrance track 🙂👽

@donaldwickman1754

Жыл бұрын

Post link when complete!

@audenisarat8179

Жыл бұрын

MERHABAAAA

@furkansafak3

Жыл бұрын

@@audenisarat8179 Merhabalar efendim :)

@huge_balls

Жыл бұрын

I wanna hear your track when it's ready!

@ZeranZeran

Жыл бұрын

I would love to hear that :) this instrument is so cool.

I'd call this a win for the preservation of a local music culture

As an albanian, seeing a non-albanian going this long road to add such value to our music tradition and offer such great possibilities to young artists and whoever that decides to create music, and for free... such an honour. You my friend have earned a most deserved like, and a very loyal subscription. God bless you 🇦🇱

@hkrasniqi

Жыл бұрын

@@0THC0 who said I was annoyed?

@Ellary_Rosewood

Жыл бұрын

@@0THC0 I think you responded to the wrong comment.

@0THC0

Жыл бұрын

@@hkrasniqi sorry, reponded to the wrong comment

@0THC0

Жыл бұрын

@@Ellary_Rosewood yes i did, thanks for pointing it out.

@hkrasniqi

Жыл бұрын

@@0THC0 no worries man, all good :)

Being an Albanian, coder, and music maker, this hit home so so so hard. I've tried my hand at making JUCE plugins, but never found much success. This was so informative and inspiring!

@b0rd3n

6 ай бұрын

Needed a better press, to JUICE it goooodd

Im a musician originally from Kosovo, and I have been thinking about incorporating our traditional çifteli in my next music project, and this is such a great timing to look into your sampling bank! Thank you for doing all this work to bring this amazing intstrument to a wider audience

@arberdauti9216

4 ай бұрын

From Albania**

@electroshot8872

4 ай бұрын

I’m all for that! 100% go for it!

I grew up hearing my family members play the Cifteli. I'm Albanian, but I grew up in the U.S. and never learned how to speak the language. However, A few months ago, I wanted to learn how to play the cifteli myself (I assumed that it would be easy since I play guitar), but I was barely able to find information on how to even tune the strings Lol, Even after I tuned it though, I just gave it up after hearing those "off" notes because I had no idea how to even approach that whole situation Loll. Almost all of the information online about the Cifteli is in Albanian or some other language, or just very hard to find in general. Seeing this video in my recommended today was just such an incredibly pleasant surprise, (and also just surprisingly convenient timing.) I really dont know what else to say other than thank you!! Theres so much useful information in this video. I'm like.. as targeted as a target audience can get for this video

As an albanian, i really enjoyed this video, thank you for covering the beauty of Çiftelija. I grew up being annoyed by it and hating it since I had to listen to it every day, but i found a new appreciation.

@0THC0

Жыл бұрын

haha funny that you're annoyed by Çifteli music instead of synthesized Zurnas (fyelli) in your party music. I got tired of the sound after only a week lol.

@dordly

Жыл бұрын

That's how I felt about the banjo growing up in the southern US. Once I grew up and saw things a bit differently, I ended up loving the sound of a banjo.

@miavelvet

Жыл бұрын

​@@dordly thats how i feel about bayan (accordion?). My grandfather played it during every celebration while being drunk by vodka lol. And also my father always said that its a cool instrument because it was cool in the soviet union during their youth but i was always annoyed by the sound and look of this instrument. For me it was some old fashioned boomer instrument for villagers. But now i started to appreciate it more

@tanssi2145

Жыл бұрын

Wow that’s incredible, the power of context and perspective, thank you for your humble wisdom

@asherroodcreel640

Жыл бұрын

@@miavelvet both my parents and they're partners are annoying by my beautiful singing voice, I guess that's the original one

As a Turkish guy, i can add another fun fact. Althought, it's an Albanian instrument, it's name came from Turkish. Its original name is actually "çiftetelli". In Turkish, lets split it as Çift-e-tel-li "Çift" means couple, the "e" after it is a suffix but doesn't add any meaning. "Tel" means "string" and the "li" is a possessive suffix. Summing up, Çifteli means "double stringed" in Turkish :D

@TBARBL

Жыл бұрын

Do you have Çifteli in Turkey though?

@cagraydn689

Жыл бұрын

@@TBARBL In Turkey there is even a folkloric dancing called Çiftetelli popular in northeastern parts of Turkey :D

@mertgulec7541

Жыл бұрын

@@TBARBL We got Bağlama which is pretty similar but with more strings to Çifteli. At first I thought the instrument in the video was a small bağlama without strings

@TBARBL

Жыл бұрын

@@mertgulec7541 so it's not a Çifteli, since Çifteli has two strings.

@kastriotaliu3849

Жыл бұрын

In Albanian, we often use the phrase 'Kryet qiteli', which means you have a stubborn head, in other words, nothing could convince you! We often use it towards the kids, when they misbehave. So yeah, it might be true what you said, but it also has to do with the fact that Qiteli is made of 'stubborn materials' aka hard pieces of wood! I know, I used to kick them when I got the chance, and they make a weird sound lol.

"I'm not only a samplist, i'm also the creator of decent sampler" I watched the video with such thrill, elation, amazement and gratitude... I'm from the middle east (Israel) and we have lots of songs using Eastern scales. And I had JUST talked about this with my music teacher, about how there's nothing that can help incorporate these sounds into digital music producing, not just the instruments themselves but the scales. There's nothing but a dreadful process, being forced to pitch handly each note, hoping to get the right sound. Well, now there's a way. Making this more exceable also means opening up a new path to music creation, thank you for that!

Microtonal rabbit hole: “there’s people who start doing that and never return” indeed

10 years ago I came across a used baglama on craigslist... I forked over the $50 not really knowing what I was getting into.... it led me down a path that has opened my eyes, or rather my mind and ears to a wider possibility in music. I am much grateful for that. This region of the world has magical music.

@haydarkaderoglu

Жыл бұрын

Hı Cory. As a baglama player, l would rocoment some baglama vırtoese şike ARİF Sag, Neset Ertas, and Muhlis Berberoğlu.

@coryroberts7519

Жыл бұрын

@@haydarkaderoglu Cool, will def check out, thank you!

@ohyesbradikardi

Жыл бұрын

I'll just drop this here for you kzread.info/dash/bejne/k56ApMencrqpo9I.html Much love from Turkey.

@linusp9316

9 ай бұрын

I bought a baglama a few years ago online, and they are surprisingly inexpensive even new. It's a fun instrument, seven strings. They even make electric ones nowadays and there are modern bands that use them, like the Dutch-Turkish band "Altın Gün". There are good free books online on the different tunings and the Makam system, which uses mainly Arabic and Persian terminology for the scales, but describes scales that go back 3,000 years or more, some of them used in ancient Balkan/Greek/Anatolian music, so it's a real window into the past (the Arabic language is used like we use Italian in English for our music theory rather than meaning that it's Arabic in origin). But nowadays it sounds very "oriental" to our ear, even though that's what music would have sounded like even in ancient Balkan music, through to later Roman/Eastern Roman music. So you feel like you are playing something that could have been heard by a Roman emperor or Ptolemaic Egyptian ruler. It's a lot of fun

This video made me tear up for whatever reason. As an Albanian and a musician (who was classically trained, I don’t play Albanian folk music) I’m so amazed at you, a non-Albanian musician, have so much respect and such a beautiful appreciation for our national instrument. The fact that this is getting out to a non-Albanian audience as well is so exciting and nice to see. You’re educating people who may have not known about this side of music and can gain something from your experiences. I even learned things I didn’t know about the çifteli myself! Fantastic video, man. Keep it up.

@felicegreece

Жыл бұрын

Right, nice try to keep down your hidden nationalism

@jackantharia

Жыл бұрын

​@@felicegreece do you know definition of nationalism?

@MultiSciGeek

11 ай бұрын

Same dude. It's so heart touching! It's like it hits home for so many of us!

@HK-pp9ig

8 ай бұрын

@@felicegreece Why keeping down the nationalist pride! Albanians are stubbornly proud people!

@jhonviel7381

6 ай бұрын

As a black guy, i can add another fun fact. Althought, it's an Albanian instrument, it's name came from Turkish. Its original name is actually "çiftetelli". In Turkish, lets split it as Çift-e-tel-li "Çift" means couple, the "e" after it is a suffix but doesn't add any meaning. "Tel" means "string" and the "li" is a possessive suffix. Summing up, Çifteli means "double stringed" in Turkish :D

I must say that decent sampler is simply one of the best libraries ever. Not only is a lot of it free, but it is extremely high quality. The really amazing part about it though is the fact that you can find exotic instruments and sounds on there, which you can't find anywhere else, or only in an expensive exotic instrument bundle. So great work, and keep going! it really helps music producers like me. Thanks a lot🙏

@DarnHyena

10 ай бұрын

The desk lamp one in particular is amusing, but does make a pretty rad sound in use.

This is incredible. Your depth of research and curiosity is by far the best thing I've seen on YT, or anywhere else for that matter. 🏆

Absolutely fantastic! As a teacher of music theory for the past 30 years, the division of the octave, and how it is applied to various musical instruments has fascinated me. The relationship between culture, the environment, materials used for instrument, making, and the influences of outside of the culture result in a vibrant, musical world. For example, the piano was developed in northern Europe, where there are plenty of hardwood trees, the ability to create strong metal, and the ability to manufacture strings of different with, and length. Compare the weather and the environment of northern Europe to the subcontinent of India. In India, we can see that it makes total sense that one of the primary instruments is the sitar. The sitar is constructed of a gourd, which is grown inside of a box like wooden structure that forms, the appropriate size and shape for the main part of the instrument one can’t imagine people in England, growing gourds and shaping them into a musical instrument. In India, there are of course, pianos that arrived with a British. They are very very difficult to maintain because of the monsoons, the humidity, and the heat. Factor in religious, class, and financial considerations, and we can readily understand that the human desire to make music will manifest itself in thousands of different ways. Another fascinating, at least to me, concept is the relationship between the human body and instruments, if one sits at a full piano keyboard, we can see that the size of the piano fits perfectly with the adult human who has stretched out their left and right arms! That’s an obvious example, but it goes deeper than that. Human beings have eardrums that are of a certain size and the size is restricted by our physiology. If human beans were twice the size, then it stands to reason that our eardrums would be bigger, and that we could then hear lower and higher frequencies than we do and if human beings were, on average, 10 to 12 feet tall instead of 5 to 6 feet tall, then we would be making pianos much larger and with a greater harmonic range than we do now. Finally, there is the difference between playing a stringed instrument and, for example, a woodwind instrument Flutes, for example, are not confined to the structures of a fretted instrument, and can therefore play Quarter tones, microtones, and everything in between. And culture is so very important. Here in the west, we grow up listening to the octave divided by 12. So when we hear microtonal Music, it sounds off to us, it sounds “out of tune”. Quite a few of my students in my music theory classes over the years have been from cultures/countries, like Turkey. They have told me that, setting aside the massive, cultural influx of western influences, the 12 note, diatonic scale sounds off to them. They also tell me that they feel constricted, because suddenly they are going from an octave divided by 52 to an octave divided by 12. I am an old man now, and when I was young, I used to dream about what the future would look like AND SOUND LIKE. but I never imagined living in the world of today, a world in which, via the Internet, musicians could immediately connect with one another. The influences of West and East are coming together to create a new vocabulary. Learning to speak, and communicate with this new vocabulary is, and has been, one of the main goals of my artistic life. Cheers!

@laimaravillon895

11 ай бұрын

This was one hell of a comment. In a good way!! Loved your reflections!!!

@brianroman4114

10 ай бұрын

This was a pleasure to read

@samderrida

10 ай бұрын

Wonderful comment

@diamonddiamond8853

9 ай бұрын

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@danielkamdem897

8 ай бұрын

Fascinating!

As a turkish and a beginner musician I am actually very excited that you delved a little into the turkish musical system, if you want to learn more about it and if you want to be amazed by an awesome instrument I'd recommend you acquaint yourself with the tanbur or the turkish tanbur. The 53 intervals you mentioned are almost entirely represented on the tanbur and almost all are used. Though which are used change depending on the maqam. I would love for you to make a video about the turkish tanbur. Great video, love from Turkey

@stefanodobleja6923

Жыл бұрын

It looks similar to a instrument that they use in Siberia,Russia...are they related?

@stefanodobleja6923

Жыл бұрын

The wikipedia article said it is Albanian,not Turkish...

@MahirTAN

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanodobleja6923 yeah it's related since people who lives in Siberia are mostly Turkic nations so they are also kind of Turkish or same part of culture from long long years. And lastly Wikipedia does not include %100 true information to make research on it. Çift means double ,tel means wire in Turkish so çifteli can mean either something has two wire or something with double item.

@stefanodobleja6923

Жыл бұрын

@@MahirTAN I wonder,did the ancestors of Turkish people look Asian like those Turkic people of Siberia?

@ancalimonungol

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanodobleja6923 Some did, and some did not. The Turks invented a system called a "bod" which we today call a "nation". This bod was based on language + land + law (töre) and not looks.

I love everything about this video. The story, the brief background in theory, the curiosity and the respect for the instrument and it's cultural context, the way this was all translated into a modern sampler and most of all the fact, that this was shared with the world. This is what makes KZread and the internet as a whole so great.

Im an albanian producer and this is amazing, Thank you for making this! This so much fun🇦🇱

I am a music teacher in Switzerland and there are quite a lot of people from Southeastern Europe living here. In the past two years I've heard several students mention the çifteli when talking about different instruments in class. Even though I already had albanian classmates when I went to school, I've never heard of this instrument before. It seems like there is some kind of revival and more young people (re-)discover the origin culture of their parents or grandparents, which is cool.

@linusp9316

9 ай бұрын

Some trivia: There is a famous Anatolian dance that is named for this instrument, which is much more famous than the instrument itself. The dance exists since ancient times, but when Turks expanded into Anatolia, the style/dance was renamed "Çiftetelli", because it is played with this instrument! Nowadays Çiftetelli is played with any instrument you want, but the name remains. I love these things because they're a window into antiquity - in English we call the dance Tsifteteli today, after the Greek spelling, but it's seen in Anatolia in records from the Classical Period (~500BCE), mentioned by ancient Greek writers of the time, and (arguably) originated from the Balkans, where many later-Anatolian tribes originated. It's speculated to be related to a dance mentioned by Aristophanes, and by ancient Romans, who may have added finger cymbals to the dance, which may have inspired many variations using that method, which followed the Romans to all sorts of places. Anyway, it's kind of funny, since for me, I knew about the dance before ever knowing that it was named (in modern times) after this instrument, so that was a whole interesting discovery. The name means "two stringed" in Turkish, but today it's usually played on more complex instruments and by whole bands.

@1412mariLU

9 ай бұрын

@@linusp9316 Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

@swezork

9 ай бұрын

have you ever heard about "dutar"?

@1412mariLU

9 ай бұрын

@@swezork No, is that also an instrument?

@swezork

9 ай бұрын

@@1412mariLU aha, it is very similar to cifteli. wooden body, 2 strings, same shape. but it has turkic (not turkish) origin. and i was trying to differenciate them😅

I am a guitar player, also married to an Albanian, she and her family introduced me to the Çiftelija during last vacation and was a very interesting experience, thanks for promoting such a beautiful instrument.

This was really cool. There are a lot of other tuning systems, for instance, Iranian music uses something called Radif which is very extensive. A lot of the nations in the Middle East such as Kurdish, Turkish, Arabic and... use the same scale as Radif. The interesting part is that each nation has its own taste.

Mozart loved Turkish music and threw an eighteenth century twelve tone blanket over the Makkams. Also Ravel’s Bolero has echoes of this sound and structure. What a great instrument you found!

@echetlos

5 ай бұрын

This is no turkish music, you are referring to ottoman music, which is basically roman Greek music that the ottomans adopted.

@robedechamber

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@echetlosDude dont be racist here. Turkish music with strings is a known fact even before they migrated to west. There are lots of documents about their music and instruments in Chinese documents from 2 millenias ago. Please educate yourself in art history before making any racist claims. Start with researching about qopuz which is well documented 6th century B.C

@TurquazCannabiz

5 ай бұрын

@@echetlos lol and the award for most pathetic comment of the year goes to you

@vardayla

5 ай бұрын

@@robedechamber They even shamelessly appropriate Central Asian Turkic music 😅

@BarletBytyqi

5 ай бұрын

@@robedechamberlol this aint no turkish instrument this is a "Qifteli" an albanian instrument and we do have a instrument similar to turkish instrument "saz".In my country we call it "Sharkia".Im not trying to argue but i am speaking with facts like it or not.

I’m currently living in Albania. I’ve been here for a couple years now. Wasn’t expecting to be scrolling KZread and see that you found a çiftili in Philadelphia. Glad the unique music from this region inspired you to accomplish microtonal use in DS. I’m a user of DS and love what you’ve created!

@emilyrln

Жыл бұрын

A Philly çifteli, if you will 😉

@WilliamPRea

Жыл бұрын

Hey Tommy, fancy seeing you here haha

@BourkeTommy

Жыл бұрын

@@WilliamPRea Hey! I see we spend our time on KZread similarly 😂

@bletrick3352

Жыл бұрын

Where in Albania are you living and what made you want to move there?

@BourkeTommy

Жыл бұрын

@@bletrick3352 I live in Korce. We moved here to help vulnerable children primarily. Right now we’re hoping to help establish foster care in the country. There are a lot of children here with trauma and difficult lives and my wife has a background in foster care and mental health. My wife’s father is Albanian and from Korce so that’s why we ended up here. Thanks for asking! God bless!

I just love how common droning notes are in a lot of folk music. I get goosebumps every time I hear an instrument such as this one where you have a quite eccentric melody played with the droning note in the background. Also the time signatures in a lot of Balkan folk music are so interesting and inspiring.

@SECshock

Жыл бұрын

The microtones sound haunting! Notes between the notes. I hear it all over the call to prayer in Turkey and in music around that region of our planet.

You are someone that music needs. Your understanding of microtonal music, and your music software, are admirable.

This is probably one of the best videos in KZread in last few days I have seen. I am an amateur flute player and passionate about musical instruments. This particular instrument is similar to an Indian (Bengali) folk instrument called Do-tara (two-string) though the Bengali version is having generally 4 strings and without fretes. Any way, this work is very inspiring for me. Thanks for uploading. Best wishes

6:16 "I should warn you that microtonal composing can be quite the rabbit hole. There are people who start doing it and they just kind of like never return." Me: "But what if they don't want to return?" I personally fell into this rabbit hole but I did it on purpose because I wanted to try out something new. It was hard at the beginning and some concepts are still hard for me, since there seems to be no limits, but I don't regret it. It widened my possibilities of composing and making music. I will definitely check out Decent Sampler, it sounds interesting.

@GlazeonthewickeR

Жыл бұрын

It widened your possibilities of making music but likely narrowed your possibilities of making good music lol

@FranciumMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@GlazeonthewickeR It is still possible to make good music with microtones. Sevish is the most known person who makes such music. Other examples are benyamind, Xotla, Zhea Erose and Brendan Byrnes, just to call the most famous ones. Most people of western culture have a problem with microtonal music because there are so many intervals which aren't present in the 12-tone equal-temperament system, these sound bad for them. I understand why the 12-tone equal-temperament dominates the music, but some people just want to experiment and compose something in other systems. It isn't everyone's taste and this is okay.

@TheBlocklandPlayer

Жыл бұрын

#DroningEnvelope Pack Extra Shoes Heh Heh

@zkassai.audio.2

Жыл бұрын

I've been kind of procrastinating that jump for a while now, I guess it feels intimidating to jump into this whole new world? How would you recommend someone who's never produced microtonal music to approach it? Also, I'm pretty sure the free synth Vital also supports microtonal scales. Check it out if you don't already have it!

@FranciumMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@zkassai.audio.2 I can confirm, that jumping into microtonal music feels really intimidating. There isn't a right way for first approaching microtonal music, it depends of what you want to explore. If you want to stay in 12edo (EDO stands for equally divided octave) but want some microtonal flavour in it, then you might check out the EDOs 24, 36, 48, ... (so any number that can be divided by twelve). It's like tuning your instruments differently and playing them together at the same time (that's how some composers approached it, the most famous I can recall is Charles Ives). If you want to stay in meantone temperament, you can check out the EDOs 31 and 53, maybe also 19 (although 19edo has a flat-ish flavour). From there you can experiment with other existing scales. That's basically the way how I did approach microtonal music at the beginning, but there isn't a right way for approaching. Yes, Vital also supports microtonal scales, I will check it out.

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard is an Australian band that has heavily used microtones in some of their music through microtonal guitars, Sitars, Zurnas, and more. You should check you their album flying microtonal banana if you are interested in hearing more microtonal music. They use it in very creative ways.

@goodun2974

Жыл бұрын

Humongous Fungus, David Lindley, probably the best-known (yet chronically under-appreciated) American musician to use traditional Middle-eastern instruments such as the Saz, Oud and Bouzouki in both a rock band setting (first with the Kaleidoscope, and later with ElRayo-X) and for solo performance of old Celtic folk songs, Appalachian banjo and bluegrass tunes, and reimagined covers of singer-songwriters such as Bob Dylan and Warren Zevon, passed away 3/3/23. Although probably best known for providing Hawaiian lapsteel slide guitar and violin parts to records by world famous performing artists, he had an extensive collection of instruments from around the world, and numerous modified or custom made instruments of his own devising, and plaayed them in his solo acoustic shows. Anyone interested in the possibilities of incorporating microtonal instruments and music into more modern styles should really check out Lindley's music. There are a ton of live performances by him on KZread. He was unique, an iconoclast, a 1 of 1. More than anyone else, he is responsible for the resurgence of interest in Weissenborn-style acoustic Hawaiian lap steel guitars, but his Oud, Saz and Bouzouki skills are less well known. Personally, I don't think one has truly lived until they've heard him play the instrument he built from the body of a Vox Bill Wyman teardrop bass guitar with a bouzouki neck grafted onto it, and earthquake sensors for pickups!

@AsrielKekker

Жыл бұрын

They use it as passing notes though very subtly. It's about as innovative as the average psych band bending their note.

@phlog_dog7336

Жыл бұрын

King Gizzard are the lamest band I have ever heard in my life. It's a carbon copy of the 70s psychedelia and prog they're ripping off, without the soul and creativity

@boat1280

Жыл бұрын

@@phlog_dog7336 All music is ripping off stuff you like. The first Tame Impala record is just Lennon/Beatles psychedelia with the rhythms and production sounds of Dungen and Todd Rundgren. It wears its influence on its sleeve and it's still amazing. You don't have to like King Gizzard, but saying they're lame because they're similar to the stuff they love to listen to is idiotic. Literally every band that doesn't make outsider music does this, including all the bands you think are incredibly unique but were also doing the same thing. The Beatles had music they listened to and were emulating, too. If you obsess over originality you're shooting yourself in the foot because every musician gets their inspiration from something, it doesn't happen in a vacuum lmao. Normalize saying you don't like something, not that the something "sucks", or you're going to sound like a petulant child to anyone trying to talk music with you.

@TomBombadil515

Жыл бұрын

Sitars are absolutely one of my favorite instruments to listen to. Surprisingly versatile, too! Check out the sitar intro in Dream Theater’s “Home” track from Scenes From a Memory. Sounds so good in a prog metal context and would fit neatly into other genres as well!

As a band coming from İstanbul and using Turkish musical ways and İnstruments Thank you very much just want to add that etymology really helps us to reach to the cultural roots and the name of the instrument is strictly Turkish Çift means two or double and Tel means string in Turkish 🦚

@the_shqiptar

4 ай бұрын

It's an albanian instrument.

@BaBa_ZuLa

4 ай бұрын

@@the_shqiptarit’s name is in Turkish

Love that the algorithm recommended this video and your channel to me! Great editing and storytelling and it really feels like your content production style was perfected for you and you alone.

The content just kept on blooming! That songlet also was a cool take... This is a nomadic instrument we (Turks - "Orcs", Ork-huns,) brought with us from the Middle Asia. Kopuz is çiftetelli's grand father. You may even see Mongols sing along. It's carved into a log. As Nomads, we have a different musical system. We can't carry books (or even coins) as they mean burden. There's no currency. All value is stored as calories in sheep and horses. Mobile assets only. There are barter markets. The Atabaskhans in Alaska call it Potlatch, same as us, in Istanbul. Potlaç is an exchange market you can see every Sunday in Kadıköy. So this instrument is also an item of exchange but this time designed for conveying verbal information since there are no books. The library is the elderly people, who we call Ata :)

@fb4492

9 ай бұрын

You’re making all of this up, providing no source.

@drumspleasefab

9 ай бұрын

@fb4492 are you expecting wikipedia articles in youtube comment section?

@fb4492

9 ай бұрын

@@drumspleasefab A wikipedia article is more reliable than your speculations, that is certain. I wasn’t expecting some turk to claim an albanian instrument as their own, either.

@haticealbayrak2387

8 ай бұрын

​@@fb4492 man it literally means (with double string) in turkish . çifte (double) tel ( string ) li ( with) and neither of those word is albanian

@fb4492

8 ай бұрын

@@haticealbayrak2387 it may be a turkish loan word, but that does not make it a turkish instrument. Show me a video of a turk using the exact same instrument and then i will believe you.

Yes, more xenharmonic/microtonal support. I’ve been in the microtonal rabbit hole for a while now, so it’s good to have musicians I like acknowledge the world. Also, it’s really cool seeing love for Sevish, one of my favorites.

Your video is FANTASTIC. Well done research you did. I am a music teacher here in Rio de Janeiro, Brasil , and loved it. I also created something very new that saves lots of time in the learning of Brasilian popular music on accoustic guitar, and also international music. It is a new way of writing rythmic patterns. The student do not need any knowledge of music theory and is so easy even a 5 year old child understand. In the future I will be putting it on youtube for all the world to learn guitar 4 times faster than any other method. Greetings from Brasil

I don't think I've ever paused a video so many times to read every word on the screen! My undergrad was in (American) music composition, and I was a flute player, which has some of the most easily adjustable pitches of the major wind instruments. I was sometimes asked to play microtones with pitch bending (done with the mouth) in new experimental music, and knew that other cultures have systems that involve microtones, but that was about all I was expected to know about it. This video gives me so much more context and information. Bravo and thank you!

In Kazakhstan there is an instrument that looks a LOT like this,called a Dombra & it is tuned D G. While CLEARLY related instruments ,it would seem the tone of Çifteli doesn't have as much of the sympathic drone that I hear with Dombra! I applaud you for taking the time & effort to actually do a bit of research! Also...You paid $20.00??? that is a steal ,considering they usually go for like $60.00 & up (some of the fancy electric models sell for $600.00)

@abuzerkadayf1811

Жыл бұрын

it's a turkish instrument, so naturally related to that kazakh instrument, just like bağlama and many other turkish instruments. çift means double and tel means string, it's easy to find stuff like this in former ottoman states.

@Ysumori

Жыл бұрын

Nope, steal is to sell two-stringed scale-limited instrument if you can buy cura baglama for lower price and just remove some strings.

@fandacy

Жыл бұрын

So what might be the common link between Kazakhstan and balkans you might wonder…

@Ysumori

Жыл бұрын

@@fandacy Islam, of course.

@Ysumori

Жыл бұрын

@@MergenKarvaach Also Turks. What do you want to say?

Kosovar here! I saw this video in my sub box and smiled. Then I saw that you made the çifteli a sampled plugin, then I cheered from excitement. Thank you for featuring our national instrument, it's truly a pleasure to see! I'm happy that you loved it so much.

@kindauncool

Жыл бұрын

This is so sweet

Thank you for your hard work and hope you never stop making music, I like unusual instruments as well!

shoutout for the dev work you did to update your software! major props.

Oh man, that looks like such a fun instrument. I hadn't heard of Decent Sampler until today but I'm definitely gonna check it out. Thanks for adding support for custom tunings!

I lived in Albania for a year and had the privilege to listen to the maestros live. Thank you for explaining the technical aspects of this traditional instrument!

@arkamukhopadhyay9111

Жыл бұрын

How did you end up in Albania Bhai?

@jackwhitestripe7342

Жыл бұрын

@@arkamukhopadhyay9111 sir r u in albania?

I really love this. Your entire process of discovery and what it lead you to do. I’m fascinated by how power moves through standards and concerned about how that gets baked into tech w/o most people consciously noticing. This video is GREAT in that context.

it gives me such a calm and nice mood when I watch your videos !

Watching your experience with a microtonal instrument totally took me back 21 years to the first time I played Balinese and Javanese gamelan instruments at the California State Summer School for the Arts - where I also got to hear Kate Conklin teach some of the vocalists Bulgarian vocal technique a vocalization technique that coincidentally is also used in Turkey. So I was intrigued by the Turkish connection in your video. :) It’s great to hear that you added Scala support to Decent Sampler so quickly! One of my colleagues at our music tech mag (SoundBytes Magazine) is really big on micro-tuning support in software, so I might mention that addition to him. Keep up the great work!

@ringsystemmusic

Жыл бұрын

Ah, another gamelan player, wonderful!

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

Am a Bulgarian American myself technically so (anyways) thanks for the shout out ;)

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

@@ringsystemmusic what is it like playing that instrument?

@ringsystemmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@mihailmilev9909 ah it's wonderful, well worth seeking out!

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

@@ringsystemmusic anything possibly more specific lol? I already play other instruments and have a somewhat big interest in music theory so I might understand what ur talking about if u describe/comment on it lol

Your curiosity and commitment not only to learning, but to teaching, is absolutely inspiring

Aaaaah that was so cool to so casually learn that you made Decent Sampler! Thank you so much for DS and the video

Thank you so much for putting this video together and exposing me and everyone else here to the çifteli and the music it makes. I was suddenly struck while listening to music played on this instrument that the constant drone along with the melody is pretty much exactly what one hears in the sound that Bulgarian Women's Choirs use. For a few years now I've been amazed and blown away by the sound of Bulgarian Women's Choirs, never having heard anything quite like that sound before. And now the çifteli helped me better understand what they are doing. Thanks again.

@DavidHilowitzMusic

3 ай бұрын

Ah, that's really cool! There's actually a Bulgarian Women's Choir in my neighborhood, and I've gone to see them several times, but I never made the connection.

Hello, I am a darbuka player interested in Middle Eastern music, and to understand the scales similar instruments use, you should study the oriental scale system called "Maqam". While western music uses just two modes (minor and major), there are quite a few more Maqamat, each named, and assembled from usually two "ajinas", which are basic four or five sequences. Also, "Ciftetelli" is a rhythm used in Turkish and Greek music.

the amount of work and crazy things you put out for the community is beyond me, top 3 music youtube channel for me, you really inspire in a different way for music producers

Thank you for the your video, I really enjoy the format and the content.

One of the best presented and beautifully researched mini documentary I have ever seen

Fricken awesome video. Informative about scales, micro tuning, software, sampling, samplers, musical history, cultural history, coding. Best 9 mins on KZread in a long time. Thanks for DS and your channel.

So very cool! I appreciate what you were able to do here - especially in being open and interested in the story of the instrument, not simply its timbre - which pushed you to build a feature set that you might never have explored otherwise! It sounds so alive with its proper tuning. Thank you for sharing this!

Thank you so much for your effort!!! you're such a great sound designer+ethnomusicologist+arranger!! Love from Malaysia

What a great video and very interesting research. It is so great to learn about this type of music that has been around a long time, but not well known. Good to keep it alive! Wow, 53 notes instead of 12!

I wholeheartedly support your aspiration of writing for these scales. I find microtonal music ravishing and compelling. Thank you for this post, I enjoyed it immensely!

I have been a silent follower of your channel, watching and re-watching all your videos. I just love following your journey of discovering and sampling all sorts of nostalgic and quirky instruments. However, when I saw the thumbnail of this video on my feed, the cifteli I was speechless. I never would have imagined you'd stumble upon it, ever! Doing it feels like an homage to our culture. I myself am from Kosovo and have to say, I appreciate you so much for all the great work and energy you put into your channel. Big respect

You, sir, have earned your subscribe. So very well done. Thank you for sharing your curiosity and your passion for music with us. I am looking forward to working with these tools you have so obviously crafted with love.

I've been on KZread for soooooooo long, and this video is incredible! Adding beauty into the world!

What an amazing video, David! I am so glad you bumped into this instrument. Thank you for introducing us to this wonderful instrument and giving us a mini-lesson on the history of this music instrument!

My family is from Greece and I have learned more about this instrument in your video that I have my entire life. Sidenote, I have about 700 hobbies all because I visit thrift stores and used shops and just find stuff that leads to new hobbies. 😂 Nice video as always

Duuuude the amount of coolness and talent behind this video is awesome to see. Good on ya mate.

I am already a fan of all that you do in DS. This is a royal treat... thankyou

This is amazing. And I want a Çifteli myself - what an awesome sound it has! Thank you for making this sound and sampler available!

CIFTELI is a Turkish word meaning "WITH DOUBLE" in reference to 2 strings. There are variations to this instrument that has more strings commonly known as Saz or Baglama. The strings are doubled similar to a mandolin or a 12 string guitar however not in octaves bur as unison. Saz can be tuned in several ways. It is used in Turkish pop extensively together with western instruments such as guitars and keyboards. The band Kurtalan Express has many great examples. I hope this information was useful to you.

@anananasyiyen

Жыл бұрын

ottomans gave them the insturment its turkish in origin

@FilmCameraLens

Жыл бұрын

Çift telli = Çifteli

@davidnayir

Жыл бұрын

@@FilmCameraLens Cifte telli is a folk dance in the Aegean cos of Turkey.

@sazji

Жыл бұрын

@@davidnayir That name refers to a particular stringing of the violin, where they move the top two strings close together and tune them an octave apart, then play them together. A very sexy sound. :-)

@2HeadedEagle

Жыл бұрын

Cifteli means a double string in Albania too lol Cift - Double Teli - String

This is an old Turkish instrument that traveled from Siberia to Europe on the backs of Turkish families during the Seljuk and Ottoman times.

@raenoldparkin

14 күн бұрын

Yes. The Turks still use a similar lute called the Baglaha Saz. The Persian have a similar lute called Setar.

@yalcnbey5834

8 күн бұрын

@@raenoldparkin Bağlama. Saz is a more general term for musical instrument, though it is most assosiated with bağlama. Still, nobody says bağlama saz, it is either bağlama or saz.

Hey, Greetings for sharing such insight on different scale model depend on the musical culture of each country ! It feels great and gives a feeling of discovery to know other notes do exist in other tuning versions. Thanks for this great discovery ! 😉✨️🎶

Sort of a simplified Dulcimer played like a Mandolin, reminiscent of a Balalaika. This is a really great, impressive, inspiring video! I felt excitement after watching it. I love notes and harmonies that sound a little "off."

@chuckt8246

Жыл бұрын

yep, a dulcimer was the first thing that came to my mind too. Great little "gateway" instruments that you can't really play wrong :)

@denisborzov8406

Жыл бұрын

Balalaika was originally a turkic instrument (most likely) - like the Kazakh dombra. And it wasn't shaped like a triangle, Vasiliy Andreyev made it look like a dorito basically.

@Ksaveriy-vv1og

8 күн бұрын

@@denisborzov8406 Before Andreyev, the balalaika was just non-standardized, and there existed both oval and triangle shapes beforehand (evident from old paintings and prints). But even some Turkic instruments have a more triangle shape, so I would assume there’s a common ancestor regardless.

A real legend. I am from Albania and this is very amazing how you turned the çifteli in a sample. Fantastic!

I have just found your channel and it is GOLD! Thank you so much for what you do!

Wow. You are a machine bro. Well done. I appreciate the time and work you must have spent. Great video. Thanks 🙏👍

Man, I love your Channel. All the work in the search, so educational. Such inspiring, congrats 👏🏼👏🏼. Greetings from Brazil.

God bless you for this amazing video. You taught me more about my own culture’s music in a fashion that has never been done. Thank you for this in depth research and appreciation of our culture.

Thanks for your work, Mr Hilowitz. Keep on sharing the way you do. Cheers from la Réunion, Indian Ocean.

Love the mention of Sevish, one of my favorite artists. Truly pushing the bounds of tuning in music.

A very informative video on 'Cifteli' to watch, enjoy and learn! And you're so kind to make your sample library free to music producers! It's so respectful way to make this old folk instrument revive to this modern world! Thanks so much David. (This instrument immediately reminded me about a popular folk instrument named 'Dotara' from Bangladesh! The difference is the body where animal skin is used on the hollow wooden frame, adding some low-mid freq., and it's fretless).

what a gem of a video I just stumbled upon... thanks for making this!

Thank you man for the Sampler and sounds! Great work and interesting videos!🖤

In my country (Iran) we have a traditional or maybe ancient instrument which is totally looks like çiftli, we call it "duo-taar". In persian "duo" means "two" and "taar" means string. Anyway, i suggest you to search "iranian dotar" in youtube and look at the skills that players have.

@imgesoyluoglucanli5896

5 ай бұрын

Çifteli also means dual or having dual (strings) in Turkish ☺️

@mostafahashemi9073

2 ай бұрын

It's doutar actually . An Iranian instrument. Name has changed by Turks.

I really appreciate this!! Amazing work sir. I’m glad you exist!🤘🏽❤️🔥

That mix you made towards the end sounds amazing!

Wow, an unusual instrument, a different tuning/scale, a new sample set, and free software that I hadn't heard about, all in one short video! This was way more than I was expecting, especially given your Vox-style vocal presentation. Also, I am impressed by your incredible amount of restraint in only buying ONE item at that store!

Great video David! Your content is always great. I love the storytelling feel of your editing.

May God bless you, you put so much effort into a subject that means so much to my culture just because you had the interest because of liking such an instrument as “Çifteli”💕💘

Absolutely wonderful video, including your purchase, history of the instrument, tuning, and sampling. I like the microtuning sound, and it sounds totally natural and appropriate to me. I was brought up in a diverse, multicultural environment, so Gamelan also sounds perfectly in tune to me. Thanks, Subscribed 👍

Just found this video on my recommended videos, but I never thought I would meet the creator of Decent-Sampler! That's amazing! And this video alone is spectacular, loved every second of it, you sure have a new subscriber now! :)

Thank you for adding microtonal support to Decent Sampler!!! 💜

Thank you for your work! That was utterly fascinating!! The composition you made was excellent, very captivating.

Wow, that’s truly incredible video! I forgot how to breathe while watching it! I like composing using ethnic instruments, micro-chromatic, I’m doing a lot of software development, so you just hit my heart (in a good meaning). Thanks for amazing job👍

As an Albanian with a bit of music knowledge i really enjoyed this video and i'm happy to see the albanian culture shown to the rest of the world. Thank you very much. By the way if you need any translation i would be more then happy.

Tone is somewhere between a mandolin and a Koto. It's nice. OMG I just looked, didn't realise Decent sampler is available as a vst plugin. LMMS and Linux can deal with those quite happily... You have just opened up a huge well of sonic exploring and dramatically changed my composition game ❤❤❤

This amazingly beautiful instrument has found it's awesome musical researcher, David! So thankful to find your video. I love the sound of Çifteli since watching the Turkish series "Resurrection Ertugrul - The Rise of Nation". Again, thank you so much!!!!

Thank you David!!!! I play this instrument and you’ve done a great job on the sample. And thanks for the instructions with Logic Pro as well!

David's skill and knowledge is matched by his generosity. It seems to me that he and the whole DS project embodies E M Forster's idea "Only Connect!"

Awesome, David! Thrift store finds are awesome thank you for taking us with you on a field trip! Hopefully we get more field trips soon.

Love this.... thanks for continuing to expand Decent Sampler in this way

Dear Mr. Hilowitz. 👍👌👏 Oh WOW, simply fantastic! Sounds really great! And what a story. I'm really glad that your video was recommended to me. Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health in particular.

It’s a wonderful surprise to see this video about çiftelia Dave. I used to study at the Ballet Academy in Tirana and during the last year of the school Çiftelia was included in the school program as a traditional instrument. I do appreciate your huge contribution to the musicians community with Decent Sampler and Pianobook,now i have some more reason to appreciate it much more. Thank you Dave on behalf of all Albanians.

@almishti

Жыл бұрын

are there Albanian ballets accompanied by çiftelia???

@maurikmalasllani2848

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure about that Kat. As far as i know Çiftelia is used only for vocal or instrumental accompaniment.

Sending some love to Sevish, he's the one who introduced me to microtonal music ! He's a true inspiration and a great composer.