One of the best speakers who features on Rebel Wisdom.

@ljr6723

3 жыл бұрын

@ Aren't you?

@biocykle

3 жыл бұрын

@ No one?

@mattspintosmith5285

3 жыл бұрын

I suppose the point is that listening here is being used to mean more than listening. :-)

To create broad sensemaking you need cultural cohesion. You need people who feel like they have a shared interest. We're very far from that being a possibility. Our materialist culture combined with constant technological "progress" is creating a new itemized and isolated citizen. Breakdown of family, community and national identity. The ultimate fracturing.

@brendancahill3723

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think materialism is adding to the isolation of citizens. Social media definitely is but the western obsession with materialism goes all the way back to the start. It's never really changed and I don't see how that would be a cause for separation or alienation. You could also argue that national identity and localised communities are a type of fracturing themselves. The Internet and social media overlooks those aspects of identity and so younger generations actually have a more universal identity and point of view which is more aligned with what you expect to see in every multicultural futuristic Sci-fi universe in which there is more understanding of people who are different. It just needs to be managed properly because atm it's just leading to more tribalism.

@lazenbytim

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. On a personal level I feel my army training kicking in as things get more and more complex and noisy. Hope for the best plan for the worst and no matter how bad you think it will get, it will get infinitely worse than you can ever imagine.

@oreneya

3 жыл бұрын

@@Paulo-ut1li you don't want everyone to follow the same lead / paths I hope; because then it's like "all eggs in one basket" risky scenario. The interaction between opposite view holders is what missing today (probably thanks to social media [oh the irony]), and I think it happens with an accelerating pace while more and more ideas are born. Like the accelerated expansion of the universe - from a smaller space of a relatively dense homogeneous material to a larger space with identified ever more isolated clusters of material.

@markusmuller6173

3 жыл бұрын

It remains to be seen to what extent he recognizes the achievements of his fellow men. Is he also prepared to transfer his decision-making authority and to submit as soon as another person is repeatedly mentally superior to him?!? If not, then he just tries to sell another parasitic brain bug! kzread.info/head/PL7tB6qL0r-AaLifbPc_FpypIbLv8NQ3ru Internally, bosses must become responsible to the grassroots, especially in all groups with delegated powers (police, parties, governments, courts, media, banks, infrastructure, health system ... even church and military). We know the good, the bad and the ugly people in the direct (professional) environment best. In order to support socially committed people and degrade charlatans, we need TRIPLE ASSESSMENTS by superiors, colleagues and subordinates that are effective for promotion up and down - regularly, everywhere!

@demois

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stating it so clearly. SOLUTION = ?

I feel like my head just got Schmacked (in a good way)

@jamel2907

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael it's a blessing and a curse

@elycetyler1942

2 жыл бұрын

Lol! Good one!

oh my gosh, I DO THIS, my father taught me how when I was pretty young - I read all sides, listen to all sides, get along with all the various 'sides', and they all have extremely similar motives and desires - this is true in politics, social and religious areas. Thanks for this video, it was like listening to my dad again :)

@DarkMoonDroid

3 жыл бұрын

Can you clone him?

We need to find a way to bring honor back to journalism.

@Joebethere7

3 жыл бұрын

too late. I'm in journalism and it ain't gonna change. So much disinformation, so much money to be made

@EsaiiTaylor

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael I would say make the decision to honor truth irrespective of external and internal pressures and realize you may pay a price for doing so. This is not in your individual interest however it is an honorable sacrifice and I salute any and all that do honor truth even at high personal cost.

@laurencevanhelsuwe3052

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't one Julian Assange try?

@TimothyMusson

3 жыл бұрын

I want to suggest Samurai swords, but I'm resisting the temptation.

@vanessasworder

3 жыл бұрын

It’s going to take some time because most people have finally acknowledged the perpetual lies of the corporate media.....there are very few places for real journalists they have to mostly go out on their own....they have all Been ousted by people who are willing to lie or distort the truth or to not even report information because they are scripted and work for the corporations

This is the most important concept for anyone to understand moving forward. So many of my friends and peers want a better world - yet, they are not in a place to make sense of the world accurately. Please share this far and wide.

I need to understand this perspective way more than I do now.

@robbydyer4500

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael Nah, it's probably just the lack of prefrontal cortex, assuming youth.

@robbydyer4500

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael In JBP's words, "We're all stupid!" 🙃 Idek why I wrote that comment at 3am lol but we definitely all need more of Schmachtenberger's perspective.

@robbydyer4500

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael What-forgiveness, on the internet? Impossible! The record has already been chiseled onto my character for life.

"If you feel a combination of outrage, scared, you know emotional.. and with a very certain strong kind of enemy hypothesis orientation... You have been captured by somebody's narrative warfare, and you think it's your own thinking" This is how I feel about the woke... And I do think it's my own thinking.. I don't accept this quote as truth (yet), but I got some reflecting to do.

@lazenbytim

3 жыл бұрын

yup and a good sign of this is when you repeat stuff verbatim. We watched it too ya cont!

@CoachAlvar

3 жыл бұрын

@@lazenbytim Are you reprimanding him for taking the effort to quote the bit he's reacting to?

@megg.6651

3 жыл бұрын

Hello - don't you know that sensemaking is "racist" and "transphobic"? DUH!

@CoachAlvar

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheShootist no

Excellent work, David. The war on sensemaking series was beyond great, I watched it multiple times. It is so unbelievably on point, even compared to Daniel Schamchtenberger standards. However, it was not "shareable" with people not involved with the sensemaking community. This one is absolutely shareable, digestible. You reduced the main points to a mere 6 minutes! Prod quality is great too. Looking forward to seeing more of these great shorts which I can share with friends and family.

What a beautiful mind ...I wish everyone would listen to this ..... so much truth and wisdom🌍🕊

Change is only doable on our singular levels. We can not change anyone else but ourselves. We do that, then we will see change of the whole.

@ljr6723

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael Simple principle. If you wish to accomplish change in others, or in the collective, as it is sometimes called, you must be willing to use coercion. If not, you only have persuasion. When you encounter those who cannot, or will not be persuaded, or refuse to participate in the conversation, there are only two options. Tribes - mutual threat of war to keep the peace or fight until peace seems better. Or persuade a critical mass, seize power and then coerce the rest, eliminating those who will not comply. Revolution. Universal agreement is never possible about almost anything of consequence, better sense-making or not. For the individual better sense-making is very useful in order to navigate life and understand which tribe is most beneficial to survival irrespective of pre-existing bias, or in the other scenario whether to comply with the tyrant or risk your life in the resistance. In that case good sense-making will tell you even whether the tyranny is in fact tyranny, and whether the price of resistance is worth paying. If you listen to the rhetoric from America lately on the extremes of the political battle, these are the choices they are evaluating right now from both the artificial polarities. But I would suggest that when it comes to DS's practical advice, what he tends to want to do is equate all sides and the level of ignorance on all sides. I would suggest there is and has been a lot more steel-manning from one side than there has from the other, for some time. The one side understands the other far better than the other understands them. Reason and dialogue, the very ground of DS's advice belongs to one side almost exclusively at this point. This is not a Hegelian dialectic. It is warped into something else.

I've shared this video many times as an introduction to Sensemaking. It's very useful! Huge thanks to Rebel Wisdom as a voice of understanding and reason in this Narrative Warfare landscape.

Thank you for doing a condenced version of the war on sensemaking! Now I can share this shortform to people who have currently placed less effort ( then they should to properly understand the world) to understand the world.

@gmw3083

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael Hey Pete. Fancy meeting you here. The answer is, NO. There is not a 1 to 1 relationship and cognitive ability is only one piece of the puzzle. The bulk of the effort is just breaking the chains of so called civilization, and living free of that construct. It's a process. I'm not out entirely myself, but making good progress. 2 steps forward, 1 step back. When it becomes more like a dance, that will be good. Flowing, learning, attempting, failing, riding and falling off. Get back on the horse. Grip the reigns of your own destiny. If you notice, the control paradigm is now floating the military martial law balloon, and Trump fans are begging for it. They will lock the door to their own cage, and yours too if you let them. People choose to trap themselves, over and over. Stay safe.

I agree with what Daniel is saying here, but I don't see anyone in my broader social network doing what's needed to have better sensemaking. It's like they are addicted to their sources of confirmation bias, and those sources also encourage the act of doubling down. It's a reinforcing cycle.

@highheartwellness

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael As Daniel suggests, better choices come from better sensemaking. But how do others get to learning about better sensemaking (to make better choices) when their previous choices keep them in a loop, as the sources they choose have: a) become addictive, and b) reinforce their bias, and encourage them to double down on said biases. They can't break out of the loop of the past choice to enact better sensemaking to then make better choices

@ChristinaChrisR

3 жыл бұрын

@@highheartwellness if to begin with oneself breaks out of the echo chamber and actively seeks out the other voices, the opinions one instinctively feel is such complete opposite of one’s own, I’d say that’s a pretty damn good start.

@ljr6723

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael Is it less than productive? Clearly they don't see it that way.

@highheartwellness

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChristinaChrisR Yes, that's a good start indeed

@highheartwellness

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael From my account, I think there's a varying spectrum of awareness for any addiction, as well as one's awareness of bias. In this sense, any person can be moved along the spectrum to more awareness (and perhaps change can come from that). Also, I'm not sure if 'less than productive behavior' is an accurate way to describe some of these people. Some of them are more productive than me, they're just viewing aspects of life through a different lens

Feels like he’s explaining the need for media literacy. Agree.

Man, dang, to the point! Thank you for sharing this and putting this out here! As a systems thinker (and modeller) who tries to tie together different stakeholder perspectives to generate conversation, transaparency and in the end coherence, this rings just so true to me!

This is seriously thought-provoking.

@danthemansmail

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, when a massively smart person tells you your civilization is on the verge of collapse, it is thought provoking.

@laurencevanhelsuwe3052

3 жыл бұрын

@@danthemansmail One doesn't even have to be as smart as Schmachtenberger to see the writing on the wall. Studying the collapse of previous civilisations only enhances the sharpness of that writing (Tainter's book..).

...If You can't explain why They think what They think, without making Them dumb or bad; You should be dubious of Your own making..... Profoundly beautiful and true statement

The simple explanations that get pumped out to us every day through the media are by necessity incorrect, I wish more people could realize that.

Assimilating a persons intellectual abilities or their level or understanding goes smoother and more quickly if you, while listening to them speak, try to spell out or make explicit the framework or set of perspectives they are making use of. Daniel is a meta-systems thinker. He sees systems of systems, all linked together in feedback chains. So he says "upstream" a lot. This is a way of thinking in terms of interlocking processes. When he says that collective sense-making needs to be distributed across the collective intelligence, it is also a way of thinking in terms of mutually arising interdependent systems. A sophisticated systems thinker is also able to see both the social/cultural/interior dimensions of systems, and their material/technological/exterior dimension simultaneously. What might be a thing to reflect upon is that when ideas at a high level (meta-systems thinking is a late stage of psychological development) are expressed straightforwardly in their native tongue, they can tend to disappear off the radar for someone listening in from the vantage point of an earlier stage. What this means is that early-stage doesn't see what late-stage says. It just doesn't show up. Its simply not there.

this is exactly the channel i was looking for. im so relieved someone has the same worries i have.

What if your opponent isn't interested in finding common ground? What if your opponent thinks you're evil and irredeemable? It doesn't matter how much sense or signal you make if everything you say and do is perceived as evil.

@unitedspacepirates9075

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/mZ6hybeBh6q-Yco.html Welcome to our reality. Aliens are often called demons by your ignorant species.

@dirtypure2023

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'm just worried there are people that will never ever forgive us for supporting Trump.

@DarkMoonDroid

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the opponents who think you're a soft and naive "Useful Idiot" or straight up "Mark". They keep you around and play you because you're an influencer and make investment and purchasing choices. So they sell you stocks in a company who claims to be buying up remote and sensitive real estate and turning it into nature preserves, but secretly (because they know you will never go visit your investments...) they are extracting and selling actual minerals or dead animals to the highest bidders using your money to get it done. Which is worse?

@AeonAlchemy1010

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe don’t see them as an opponent? Common ground (synthesis) only needs to happen in YOUR consciousness. Don’t worry so much about what the other person doesn’t know. Find out what they know that you don’t. Seek to understand. I guarantee there’s always something.

I try so hard to do what this man says. Its takes time and is challenging but I feel like a happier person because of it.

We live in a very dishonest world. And it’s time we stopped pretending that we didn’t. That’s why it makes no sense. For how can it. It’s impossible for dishonest people to trust themselves. You can’t put a price tag on integrity. And think it will sell for what it’s worth. That makes no sense. Just like the way we do business on this planet. Where everything is up for sale. Including one’s integrity. So if we are to make any sense we need to start being honest. Especially with ourself. For if you can’t trust yourself. How can you trust anyone else.

Awesome video. 👍

More rebel wisdom videos will help!

@biocykle

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael Not just any thinking I'm afraid... "Clear thinking is not a haphazard enterprise" (Epictetus)

Brilliant thanks

Who is to blame that we're not better critical thinkers? The bought and paid for media? The bought and paid for politicians? The problematic public education system? Parents who have to work or want to devote their attention to various addictions? Yes it's ultimately a choice to be a well educated, fair minded citizen of a democracy, but why would a plutocracy hold those values?

Love this guy 🙏

Pay special attention to the last 20-30 seconds of a Daniels section of the video. Probably the “left hand hook” of the whole thing. He has an excellent frame and amazing tools in which to use it. I am trying to feebly achieve maybe 5 of that degree of analysis and still it difficult to employ day to day without conscious daily reminders to do so. Great Message in a short time slot Daniel! Good job.

I absolutely agree. The challenge will be to get people to listen, focus, and concentrate. Many lives have been and are disrupted, starting in childhood. Sadly, adolescent issues cannot be turned around in a day. Then there is the TIME constraint. This course is for those who want to learn how to THINK. BEST WISHES TO EVERYONE.

This way of discovering what is "true" is reminiscent of McGilchrist's idea of seeing truth as lying in the bigger picture, and not being in the specific proscribed detail of any given specific measure. He describes this way of perceiving truth as like holding a developing photograph and slowly seeing the whole thing come into focus, rather than quickly seeing one particular element of the photograph and taking that one element as being representative of the whole.

This channel is crucial going forward.

Disappointed this isn't 2 hours long, but fantastic all the same

@segasys1339

3 жыл бұрын

You expect the Rebel Wisdom staff to clip cool videos and music to 3 hour podcasts lolz bro, I don't think they have the budget for that, but it's a nice idea.

@brendancahill3723

3 жыл бұрын

This is mostly taken from episode 5. It's fantastic

@snacklepussPSN

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/YqpptMuGlLbXp84.html

@RebelWisdom

3 жыл бұрын

The original is 90 mins...

@SpikeTFA

3 жыл бұрын

@@RebelWisdom oh no, I know! It was a bad joke, I've watched all the Sense making series with Daniel, and when I saw the notification I thought it might be Sensemaking VI 😅

Nailed it, as always :)

I am confident in my ability to sense make. I attempt to spread that through my local circle as best I can. I wish I had a larger audience to share with.

Great idea, how to avoid being drawn to much into the different perspectives while trying to understand them! I thought maybe if we start to see the mirror-Funktion of reality, it might be reality starts not only to reveal our interaction or creation of it, but starts to talk to us. In a way then, the world wide manifesting "control of truth" is nothing but a mirror of our need to come to a new kind of sensmaking. Given that change or anything new can only come out of chaos, maybe the change within human perspective happening right now, causes a lot of fear in almost every one, resulting in a longing for Order. The world wide appearance of totalitarian measures like how to behave, what to do, or what to think then could be understud as manifestation of this longing for Order. Of course there are more aspects to it,but this would lead away from thoughts or fears of any from us incoherent existing rulers.🙏

Why doesn't this video has more views? Thank you for this 🙏

Embrace the shadows. Know that light and shadows are inseparable. And choose answers that make you feel more whole. Oh, and don’t be afraid to love or to talk about love. That’s my two Penneth worth!

@wardygrub

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael Family time. How about you?

@wardygrub

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael I love bric a brac shops. Even the words ‘bric a brac shops’! I wonder where ‘bric a brac’ comes from. Before I google it I’m guessing ‘bricks and brackets’. Also, there’s ‘rag n bone’, from when people were proper poor!

@luminoustorus548

3 жыл бұрын

This is beautiful ☺️

@wardygrub

3 жыл бұрын

So, one of the meanings for ‘bric a brac’ is ‘Knick knacks’ haha! That has made my day!

Im glad we can find logic here. 🤘🏻🎩❤

OBE’s and Astral Projection through deep meditation help me understand the illusion of this physical reality. Tune into the higher frequencies and you will see.

@1:57 is one of the most profound thoughts/statements I've heard in a looooong time.

The thing I notice about those working on this is that their mindset is reliably locked into what I call counter creative patterning which is revealed by how they express their thoughts. All individuals professing a universal point of action that is against or dismisses other creative points of action and thinks they are beyond the counter creative mindset blocking us, does not seem to be aware they themselves are very entrenched in the blocking. Daniel is pointing to this difficulty without being able to be specific and show how this can be identified and resolved in a way that helps any one person see what this is and how something different can be attained. As noted, if one is aware of another viewpoint that they feel they cannot place constructively within their creative map, then they most likely have not developed the skill set needed to work together with others and create a new humanity that includes all past territory allowing movement into and creation of new territory. Even the name “Rebel Wisdom” is potentially very problematic because it points towards a rebellion against some other wisdom. Which wisdom is not included in Rebel Wisdom?

@Orthodoxi

3 жыл бұрын

peter michael once you 1. gain comprehensive knowledge you can then 2. adjust your mindset so you may 3. enact upon it in accordance with others who have done the same or 4. to help guide others who are in process.

@Orthodoxi

3 жыл бұрын

peter michael you’re welcome 👍 and thank you.

I actually feel emotional because a model of sense making is a tool that give us all hope and can shine a light when darkness is falling. I just know in every sense of my being that this endeavour is vital and a life line. I am happy that we can all play a part in finding the best way forward as best we can together. Answers are to be discovered and created not package and marketed to us as passive consumers of ideas being feed. Independent thinking, struggle and challenge are necessary and leads us to problem solve it is part of the individuals and collective actualisation process that promotes are wellbeing and growth. With a tool and a method we can build a world fit to live on and explore from. We need the unashamed visionary evangelical spirit of the crusader to get the tool needed into everyone hands, . This means teaching children and everyone a model of sense making. The task is daunting but we can rebuild something new and better. Each individual as a part to play and a responsibility. Talk to a person today, don't judge ask them to listen to these idea and listen to their thinking. This will be my Xmas present to friend and family this year. Counting myself in.

At a very young age, I was curious about the world outside of my own environment. On one side I saw an intertwining of the inherited indigenous world views and religious practices and on the other was the remodelling of an exterior environment that no one actually talked about...in hindsight, I think the feeling of "change" from an indigenous perspective did not seem like it needed words. It was becoming apparent that each of these worlds were gated for only those that fit a certain ideal. Higher Ed promised opportunities. The literature and science offered depth and meaning. But it also required an extra management mechanism for justifying and negotiating between states of being. When faced with dept, age biases, useless models for communicating, increased frequency pollution...there is no choice but to get better at connecting with the notion of another enlightenment era. I have walked a hybrid path all my life and it was about time that nonsense was pushed over the edge... Let us learn to walk on air together and make new meaning for the good of this earth.

Sense making is basically truth seeking right, but there is both a matter of what is currently so and how we move forward. I keep going back to Edward de Bonos work on parallel thinking, but the one bias that might be hard to overcome is using a device like the provocation operation since it is not focused on finding truth, but about how to move thought forward to new ideas. Granted you/we have to get there in the first place and already have enough of a handle on the truth of the situation from multiple perspectives, which most of the Six Hats is designed to do but I fear people will never pay enough attention to this.

Daniel's speak is melody to my ears of whom I've only discovered recently. I'm 75 w/only H.S. education. My observation simply put to date: Government bodies (worldwide) are negative opposition to society. Given themselves authority to rule globally. Collecting power and playing the game divide & conquer. Oppression caused with intention to foul & dumb down. Working the populations relentlessly with always a deadline. No time for spirit to celebrate life or time with family. Religious dogma created to control one's spirit-life which brings us to present. Global break down caused by power and greed and taught competition with each other. Intention to control rather than for betterment of whole. Dog eat dog mentality. Greedy bastards at the top of pyramid do it best. Sensemaking is broken with intentions to do so. Education systems set up to obey, not to be creative, to all move at same time, in same way, with same ideas, the same, same, same, same. Ahhhh.... sheeple. OBEY OBEY OBAAAAAAAAAAA Look at spy technology. Insecurity of those that have created this mass mess to control. Enough said. PeaceOut

That is too much sanity and ego deflation for my impatient dopamine addicted brain sir. In all seriousness thank you for this!

Sense-making in many respects feels an alignment with individual interpretation, and as the more diverse views we accommodate, the less the communally understood capacity to accommodate everything is. Interpretationless information, I don't know how to state, but it is the goal of truth and can be obtained to varying degrees. It does create a reporting problem, once we have it, to reliably communicate how it should all work together, in more relevant ways than committees or think-tanks do now.

@TimeGhost7

3 жыл бұрын

​@peter michael Thanks. It is hard to make things clear. I know it as my weakness so it is not just you who struggles. Yes. The group has limitations, and I tried to identify the difficulties. I did not think in the agency vs structure framing, but your interpretation fits fine for those who hold the individual vs group tention. Interpretationless information is a nice-to-have concept, that is an ideal rather than reality. We interpret (both in understanding and speaking) slightly differently, because we are different people. Even if we agree our differences are trivial, the wider context takes on much interprative tention. I theorise I can hold interpretationless information by examining many sources, but even in that I can't state that information without contextualising it about my personality or in a wider context my responsibilities, so I ponder if I can act out the ideal I've set. I alude to committees and thinktanks because these are groups of many-people designed to remove bias and move towards the interpretationless ideal. In the comparison to which a new system must improve upon, these are a marker to pass for real system change.

Would be great to have access to this course much sooner given the way things are in the world 🙏🏻

In synthesis this guy seems to be saying :"little people are captured by others' narratives, whereas I, because I am a big intellectual with a beard, understand everything objectively. So the solution is just to listen to me and things will be fine." Sorry heard it all before and one question, how does tosh like this help?

We need to help each other. Thank you

I appreciate your suggestions on how to make sense of the world and communicate well, amidst straw men, noise and truth. You need to look into Japan's Society 5.0 initiative - there's a broad spectrum of statements on what each part of the movement is planning to do in that initiative. Their "Global Commons Center" is part of their efforts to share what is needed to function in the world. They are earnest, and have been exploring and educating themselves to understand the world we are living in.

Where do I find other earnest people thats the tough part.

When peace is brokered in a war (in which both parties normally earnestly believe they are right) - is it about understanding and acceptance of the other's view, or is it simply a compromise to facilitate no further consequence of the conflict?

Interesting ideas

Can you give 3 people on the left, right and center to compare?

Person of the year

We really have to become modern mentats [a la Dune] in order to get a clear signal by combining and using intuition to sense make from the infosphere.

I like the short clip variant just for sharing purposes. I really dislike the use of stock footage because it feels fake and manipulative, possibly because it reminds me of commercials. It comes across as wanting to make it look like something more than it is. Could be just me of course. In this case the content of the speech is really really, really really good and the stock footage detracts from that. Maybe it will reach more people this way and in that case it might be worth it but I fear (bad counsellor I know) it will put more people off. Suggestion: use something else. Maybe just headlines from newspapers or studies, (funny) picture inserts, diagrams.

I'm with him. Been doing the same thing for a while. Most of my life. Working on stopping the Ecocide that's taking place on the planet best I can. Synergy with Biomimicry with "conscious" (intelligent) design and thought. Structures to functions. At as many scales as possible. Work with Ecosystem Nature, and what we know of "human nature" - not against Her. That's all I got.

You show people next to a camp fire in the first 30 seconds. That is the answer. Modern society a lost its ability to survive together because of so many comforts. Live without running water in your house, sleep in a tent, go without for awhile. Build a few fires. After some time many people become more empathic and strive to work together. Add in the 10 principles of BM and boom, something has started.

Whose sense?

@biocykle

3 жыл бұрын

Subjective first, then collective. No?

I have been watching and studying a huge spectrum of subjects for some years now, albeit in a non standard self taught manner. But, that is besides the point, I have been watching Dr. Jack Kruse and Dr. Douglas C. Wallace and , most recently, Dr. Zach Bush. Each speaks of highly specialized subject matter in interesting and semi-unique ways relating to human biology and common complex diseases. For some reason, I swear I just heard my mind say that they are all 3 right on about 80% of what they are individually saying. And that they each are only missing the key insights from the other two, to come much closer to actually understanding what is killing so many of us in the last 30 years. I do not have the precise memory necessary to collate that quantity of data and I think that Daniel Schmachtenberger might be able to do it or maybe someone here can arrange those 3 doctors to interact with each other.

If you haven't figured it out yet, political controversy is due to typological differences between individual psychologies on a large scale. The only way to possibly speak the same language as your opponent (particularly the background, archetypal aggregate of their position) is to integrate your shadow (or less differentiated, inferior function of the psyche).

@robbydyer4500

3 жыл бұрын

@Northwest River I appreciate the further probing into our natures as human beings to not only form "typological opinions" but also to engage in more or less unconscious herd behavior according to the happenstance of personal background-accounting for such "immeasurable," fish-in-water factors. Here we enter the domain of ideology and tribal instinct, in which highly differentiated (i.e. nuanced) opinions are repressed in favor of the warm security blanket of social fellowship. Of course, the psychological defense mechanism and political weapon of group fusion is not to be discounted in its efficacy, shielding some from the discomfort of isolation whilst oppressing those who already feel themselves distinct from the crowd (and perhaps, any crowd). It is true that the mother community may provide rudimentary space for the different types, but only convenient and increasingly claustrophobic, soulless allotments for any individual of profound introspection. Eventually such a person may experience a dramatic over-correction into their initial worldview's diametric opposite, if only in order for their left hand to move and breathe freely, as it were. Through exploring the blind spots of their childhood herd, they may forthrightly adopt the first position that not merely accounts for their temperament, but crowns it ruler, which is the stage of political awareness my original comment sought to address-that of individual reflection and initiation into the world of lively, if ruthless, debate. I concede that even that stage may be eventually outgrown in favor of individual vocation, another "immeasurable other factor" not of politics, but of human experience, for which there is no authentic mass movement, by definition, not to mention external understanding of any sophistication whatsoever; not even the temperamentally like-minded group can provide wholeness to the individual's unwieldy life at that point. Thank you for your observation and courtesy.

I wish Rebel Wisdom’s affiliates actually took a position about what it is happening since February. Instead, we are repeatedly given pretty much the same explanation about the methodology of sense-making. That’s ok but I am curious to hear the specific output of your own sense-making about the Covid crisis. Take a stance. Don’t be on the fence.

@nickbrennan3389

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe if they do they will be censored or cancelled. Nearly everyone who goes against the WHO, lockdown, we're all gonna die from a killer virus and only vaccines can save us narrative is being silenced. But yeah I agree with you !

@Sephen79

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickbrennan3389 it is quite possible that they would be censored. But there is just one thing worse than censorship: self-censorship due to the fear of being censored. Rebel Wisdom can count on intellectuals of very good caliber: they have a responsibility to take a stance.

@rf7743

3 жыл бұрын

All the msm tech platforms are engaging in a mass purge..if you want to reach more people I guess keeping within 'big techs unofficial guidlines' is the way to go then take the convo to a decentralised platform to discuss topics that big tech clearly don't allow to be discussed

@Sephen79

3 жыл бұрын

@@rf7743 True. And in the long term this mass purge will bring about the irrelevance of the Silicon Valley platforms which are doing it. The more they do censorship the more they show their weakness. I believe 2021 may be the year of mass migration to alternative platforms by many free thinkers. I wonder if Rebel Wisdom is moving in this direction or is it going to be late to the party?

@christine9467

3 жыл бұрын

I think it’s complete BS. Bigger agenda going on.

Re-enlightenment I think you mean....This thing/IT - The meaning to create action has been explained countless times over the span of existence of human's consciousness...The concept, the thing only has to be re-invented, so it can be understood, in this fashionable, modern sense making. We have it explained through texts in it's most abstract sense, so it can span all time, ways of relating/being - fashions of understanding!! So chill - we've got this x

@bitcoinmining6361

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael ohhhh... I am trying to explain it in the most simple way!! The answer is so simple it doesn't need explained...The question doesn't even need to be asked...But that is boring, too easy...So we complicate it, just for the thrills, to make it interesting

@bitcoinmining6361

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael hahahaha...I wouldn't bother we're all just brain farting

always with the pink shirts

Is it clearly understood that the action of creating chaos (noise) is advantageous to a very specific group who has honed their craft to prodigious levels and is using it with supreme effectiveness to throw us all 'off the scent' of their culpability? Don't blame those who buy the garbage (fallacious signal), but be on the lookout for the purveyors of said nonsense - it is they who are up to something.... be very aware

Gotchu in light grey

Daniel SmackMyBurger is the best. Sadly, he's explaining colour to blind people. Haha.

@Paulo-ut1li

3 жыл бұрын

Harsh but true.

@_x__q

3 жыл бұрын

Oof

@rumination2399

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. We’re fucked. Brilliant guy though. Has to try.

@connorandersen8687

3 жыл бұрын

@@rumination2399 def pessimistic my guy. Let's all try a bit harder, maybe we will survive.

@gianniclaud

3 жыл бұрын

The value is in the effort

I would like to contribute to the think tank. Is there any way i can find a position within the team?

@cathybliss3681

3 жыл бұрын

The Consilience Project - Prelaunch We just put up a FB group for people who want to help with this project. facebook.com/groups/371958457199173 The core team is exceptional. And, there is a lot to be done to get to launch that we can really use help with. -Web development -Research -Curating and vetting certain types of resources -Funding -Fundraising and helpful connections towards that aim -Connections to advisors with expertise in topics we are doing pieces on -Connections to resources for distribution post-launch -Editing/copywriting and design implementation help This group is intended specifically for offers of support and to share relevant info for this project. Thank you! (Posting here is better than pm'ing me as other team members can respond here so I don't miss the connection. Thanks.)

Makes sense.

Given the scale of the changes we need to make. Given the time frame we have vis a vis global warming or irreversible ecological degredation. Given the political, ideological, economic, cultural, religious and resource divisions that exist and potential sources of conflict I think the odds are against us.

@darrenmanser2847

3 жыл бұрын

Given how (after almost a year of this) so few of my friends haven’t progressed beyond ‘I don’t know that I don’t know’ - I tend to agree with you

@darrenmanser2847

3 жыл бұрын

A joke I heard the other day. “What did the Rapa Nui chief say when the last tree was cut down? Great! Now we can finally build that golf course!” Only optimism there 😂

@philbell5774

3 жыл бұрын

@Northwest River Very noble words that may make you feel warm and fuzzy inside. I however don't deny what I can see going on around me. That's not pessimism merely an acknowledgement of reality. Calling people pessimists is an easy and lazy stick with which to beat people who call out uncomfortable truths but that's always been the case. The truly self indulgent are those that believe that somehow, in some unspecified way we as a species will just sort of survive carrying on as we always have. That the cavalry will always arrive just in the nick of time despite our proclivities as flawed beings. Despite our actions. Despite our increasing population. Despite our political, religious, cultural, economic and ideological differences that fuel conflict on a personal, social, societal and international level. Despite our increasing impact on global weather systems. Despite our impact on degrading the ecological environment further and further. These are all truths and not matters of faith. The sooner we acknowledge them as species then maybe we've got a chance but the clock is always ticking inexorably.

@philbell5774

3 жыл бұрын

@Northwest River Respect your point of view. Even agree with parts of it. As for pessimism and optimism I tend to agree with Mark Twain: "The man who is a pessimist before 48 knows too much; if he is an optimist after it, he knows too little." Enjoy your day.

Assuming this comment isn't deleted, I currently view sensemaking as being primarily about continually focusing on having the most accurate version of probability deduction through a present and evolving capacity for probability deduction, which should include the utilization and evolution of reason, and the evolution of the system(s) used to search for and categorize evidence in service of reason and probability deduction. But sensemaking is also understanding that because we don't have absolute understanding, sometimes instinct and emotion deduces the probability that something is true where one's current conceptual system of probability deduction fails-- a gamble built into life, where sometimes both the instinctual and conceptual fail to deliver reliable information. I think the goal of public sensemaking should always be to not run from the reality that life has an element to it that is inseparable from gambling-- where instinct can be more right than one's usually cherished personal model of conceptual knowledge-- or where both can fail. And there should also be an acknowledgement based in high likelihood rather than absolute certainty, that sensemaking is the embrace of a lifelong search for likelihood, where the more empirical likelihood/probability you understand that is legitimate, shows its legitimacy by improving life for oneself and others on empirical timelines that, to the degree that they have been found, haven't been used as evidence for new concepts improving the average person's conceptual sensemaking/probability deduction system. Probability deduction at its best also doesn't seem to throw out the concept of the absolute, or be anti-spiritual or anti-religious, because there is probabilistic evidence to suggest that experiences around the absolute, transcendent, spiritual, religious, ect., are not fake to empiricists on the level of them actually having been perceived and not being totally explainable to the perceiver. Furthermore there is a perpetual dimension of the unknown in the lack of absolute knowledge which allows for a dimension of hope or faith that holds historical relevance for finding and sustaining meaning in life, but where different ideas or ideologies or systems of hope or faith are more or less friendly to probability/likelihood deduction than others as seen in history through the lens of reason and probability deduction, and thus different systems of hope and faith can be argued to be more or less friendly to increasing the likelihood of making life better for oneself and others.

Destiny, steven bonell, rare sensible internet person who shares this exact sentiment.

If 'we' ? We can only fix ourselvs. It is the mediling of others trying to 'fix' things that have brought us to the point. Read up on Kali Yuga or the phrophacy Thirce Great Hermes, and mankind has passed through this stage many times before.

@wilddharma913

3 жыл бұрын

you my friend are participating in "we" by suggesting what you have

Earnestness and expertise don't ensure true facts; they may do, but you still must use your own intelligence and sense to make and understand the world around you. Intelligence isn't wisdom either and many a wise person are better placed than the overly intelligent in different circumstances for life, and these people don't generally ponder immediate events or actions, they just live there lives

Is there such a thing as collective sense making? Well is there such a thing as shared thinking? No. All thoughts are individual. Knowledge is shared through symbol systems that represent it. These are tied to information systems that deliver knowledge.The collective part is in the symbols and the delivery systems which can be used to lie or mislead or provide some adequacy on verification to some reality or thought. The sense making is not done collectively it is done individually and shared through symbols.

@chriscampbell4857

3 жыл бұрын

Many people don't care too deeply about what's going on in the world, and will prioritize fitting in with the crowd and being agreeable with their peers when it comes to how their opinions are formed. Whatever side of the story is fed to them the most becomes the prevailing narrative, until eventually they will come to defend it even though they've never really thought much about it personally. I would call that a type of collective sense making. Ok to be more exact it's just propaganda, apathy, and peer pressure - but those being subject to it think they actually have made sense of everything.

@kimfreeborn

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriscampbell4857 Sure there is nothing you say that I would disagree with. I'm just saying collective sensemaking is a metaphor. That it has material substratum and this is worth looking at. I'm not saying sharing ideas is impossible but it doesn't require some kind of shared brain as a transcendental object to occur. It would be better to call it collective enquiry rather than collective sense making. It's less groovy but more accurate. I think we are being lulled into some kind of transhumanist dialogue. A paradigm the Santa Fe Institute is famous for promoting.

What are you eating? What are you feeding people? Human beings are not informed merely by Talking Heads on electronic media. We make sense of the world through a complex interaction involving networks of communication between the land, the plants we grow and feed to ourselves and our animals, the animals we grow and eat, all mediated by a fungal and bacterial communication system that talks to our brain and deeply affects our feelings. What are you eating? When people meet at your sense-making Gatherings, what are you feeding them? If we don't start by making sense of food we will not make sense of anything else.

I’d love it if we were both pulling for humanity at large.

someone said a few years ago, "The internet is a really, really bad neighbourhood." And while this is a very noble cause, I am afraid that boat sailed already and we are infested with AI and they do not want anyone to think well nor communicate well. We are in a net and ruled by machines unfortunately. God bless.

yesssssss

Makes me want to write a book about how future generations will lament the actions of their forefathers, mixture of hubris, naive optimism, empty utopian slogans. Followed by a newer generation attempting to rebuild from the ashes, “Do not look for kindness. Do not look to us for hope. We are not the kind children of this new age. We are the rocks of its foundation. If you wish hope then look to what we make. If you wish kindness look to those who come after us.

@ljr6723

3 жыл бұрын

I would be willing to bet that what they make looks almost identical to what was made by earlier generations. Building from ashes has a mind clearing effect.

The UN has defined 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) such as gender equality, access to education, poverty reduction, connectivity, climate... These goals are defined by viewing the FACTS. These goals are referenced by local councils, like mine in Bristol, to enact positive change. The UN has thought about this. Refer to the 19 September UN talk about SDGs. There is also a film made by Richard Curtis, to drive home the message. We need to orientate our narrative around some goals. These SDGs can help.

@eholmes9612

3 жыл бұрын

One of the reasons people are seeking sensemaking tools from people like Daniel, is because they realise, and at the moment it has become very much clearer, that the institutions like the UN, WHO, etc, can not be trusted.

@hugocrabb9465

3 жыл бұрын

To make progress in eradicating poverty, solving climate etc. we need to share a language that adopts common worldwide values. The UN and WHO are ran by good people, yes they can do better, but so can us all.

SHARING

@LouisGedo

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael I just meant I'm sharing this vid on social media

@LouisGedo

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael All's good......I didn't take it in a negative way at all. Have a terrific remainder of an eventful year !

have these guys ever meet jonathan pageau? that would be nice.

@ljr6723

3 жыл бұрын

@peter michael kzread.info/dash/bejne/lol7wciClqqWnNI.html Posted here October 30. There have been several more.

He assumes that all narratives are only partially correct and therefore we need to pursue a meta narrative to find the truth. it is possible that one narrative could be right and the others wrong or that all narratives are wrong thus necessitating a new narrative

@schmiggidy

3 жыл бұрын

Both a phenomenal and obvious insight. Per your first point: I find that too much intelligencia in my worldview tends to obscure my practical common sense and gut instinct, while not enough can cause me to backslide into overly simplified B&W thinking.

The real problem is the power of the irrational among humans, which becomes more problematic at times of crisis like ours. Sensemaking is an activity for elites who have time on their hands. The vast majority of course don't have time on their hands. They live day to day, hour to hour with the exigencies of existence always at their backs. The will to make good sense of life isn't there among vast numbers of people. It is so much easier to identify with your group and accept the worldview of that group. But dramatic events like pandemics and climate change might provide the necessary push needed to get people out of their lazy, irrational groves and into a frame of mind to make new sense.

"Identify the signal from the noise" begs one question, not too far removed from the larger theme here, can we use statistics and information theory and signal processing methods, as we would analyze a noisy amplifier or a received set of erroneous but recognizable data ? We would need to have a shared code book, so yeah for me that means. INVEST IN SCHOOLS AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE SCHOOLS ALREADY!!!

@Scottlp2

3 жыл бұрын

Schools which just pump out more brainwashed people is not the answer.

Must have a shared identity.

I guess. Given the level of dishonesty on this planet. Making sense of anything. Would one day become literally an impossibility. And I guess that day has come. Our past has finally caught up with the rest of us.

"So long and thanks for all the fish".....

Hey I know that girl doing meditation in the rice paddies clip

@wilyinfidel1091

3 жыл бұрын

@bali yacht services• did you do any sense making with her?

But what if some narratives are so outlandish and unrealistic that you can't find a common way to think even minutely that it's a possible hypothesis to being true

"Stand in the shade of me Things are now made of me The weather vane will say... It smells like rain today" "God took the stars and he tossed 'em Can't tell the birds from the blossoms You'll never be free of me He'll make a tree from me " "Don't say good bye to me Describe the sky to me And if the sky falls, mark my words We'll catch mocking birds" "Lay your head where my heart used to be Hold the earth above me Lay down in the green grass Remember when you loved me"

Some how, some way the bean counters are more influential than the ACTUAL engineers, physicists, doctors and biologists. THIS is the REAL problem!!!

I am an 80 yo retired mechanical engineer, I saw very little sense making in that that business and these were generally thought to be bright... these are not bright nor good at sense making as a rule. The predilection among the general public is even worse, maybe 1 or 2% or a whole lot less as a close guess. That is not enough to reverse the worlds course imo... not even remotely close as the remaining 98% to 99.9% sucks the life out of any potential progress. That has been the history of nations. The cup of hemlock is forced on anyone who attempts actual advance... and supported fully by the 98%. In my career I testified before the US congress for 2 hours or so on the root causes of these issues (lying and forced lying)... that distorts reality... there is not a chance in h*ll of any sense making in a distorted reality environment to the degree that a course connection will occur. There is a bit of magic that comes into play here... it seems that we, as beings, occupy the space and location where our attention is (NASA had done many experiments on all that reported in a book 'The Secret Life of Plants' by Peter Thomkins 1972, search that and you will find many parallel studies. We absorb and dramatize whats in that space to a significant degree. The ramifications of that is worth some consideration. This is the mechanisms behind many if not most religions. However it seems that mankind has distorted most of that as well. the only hope I see and only is for the diligent and bright individual, a tiny percentate of these can save themselves... and a few are salvaged by religion, the christian bible stats if i am correct that only 144 or 144,000 will manage to make that advance to the necessary significant degree... I think that is accurate, and a minuscule percentage of those on that path. The proof of that pudding is in the results we see. . Is that fitting? Of course its fitting, the terminally ignorant need to self destruct before any significant progress will occur.... that screen and cull is all that will work and only if its a naturally occurring cull, nothing driven by government or any group as those are the leading problem in the world from which nothing good has ever flowed long term in the history of mankind. The idea that all are equal in these or any other regards, is another root of the current mess... such goals are not slightly fatal but 100% fatal and on a very short and slippery slope. an understanding of atomic and molecular physics, gravitational attractions, energy at the esoteric levels ... harmonics and frequencies down to the sub atomic levels explains enough that a person can see through the prevailing fog IF the understanding is clean enough ... a very tall order. Those who have been able to leave their bodies or been driven out by trauma will see these interactions if he understands the physics Ive mentioned above... lacking that wonderfullness ensues but with no understanding. ... that seems to be a problem.

Avto einai sivuro. Virtual insanity - like Jamiraquei sing in one of his songs .

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