You don't have to imagine Dave singing paranoid. They have a cover on hidden treasures 👍

@benmidgley1419

4 жыл бұрын

Bet me to it hahahaha

@Michael_Dolences.

4 жыл бұрын

"Nick! Nick!!!...Nick!!!!"

@JaggedDagger

4 жыл бұрын

And it was also on Nativity in Black. A Black Sabbath tribute album that had a an awesome lineup of Sabbath covers done by some heavy bands

@gtyrone83

4 жыл бұрын

And he downpicked on it

@JamesContos85

4 жыл бұрын

I came here to say this. Thanks... Side note: I believe megadeth picked it with down strokes too cuz you know, that's how you play it lol.

Dave Mustaine is what I like to call a lead rhythm guitarist.

@davidg1612

4 жыл бұрын

That makes sense since he was originally a lead guitarist in other bands who had to play rhythm guitar out of necessity when he founded Megadeth since he wrote the songs.

@justinalexander4707

4 жыл бұрын

He’s also, and I’m getting technical here, a better guitarist

@johnuhtof8952

4 жыл бұрын

Justin alexander a pretty accurate quote

@gabee3993

4 жыл бұрын

James is s drummer whos really tight rhythmically. Mustaine is a lead guy

@bdr32965

4 жыл бұрын

Kind of like Pete Townshend of the Who, because he played rhythm guitar in the Who which gave them their very distinct sound and that is what made Pete such a great guitar player.

I have to say that Master Of Puppets is feeling like "losing speed" when being Alternate picked, all though it's at the same speed

@BruderSeth

4 жыл бұрын

That's because of the upstroke not having as much punch to it, making it feel like it's not real staccatto but "tumbling" a littlebit.

@pepper8159

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like it's losing more of the tightness and intensity the riff has. btw מה קורה?

@continentalaquatics2725

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been playing for 28 years and I’ve learned most of Metallica’s songs. However, I can’t consistently down pick the main riff in Master Of Puppets, Creeping Death or Blackened. I used to be able to do it a lot better (but not perfectly) years ago, but I hadn’t played those songs in decades. Now, my right forearm freezes up relatively early into the main riff in puppets. I have to build back some of that right hand/arm endurance...which should take at least a month of practicing every day. I caught myself alternate picking during Creeping Death and Master Of Puppets and it doesn’t sound tight at all.

@spiderfan1974

4 жыл бұрын

@@continentalaquatics2725 I promise you if you practice alternate speed picking (open strings and single notes only) no one will know if you're using down strokes or up strokes. Down pick every chord it's very easy to tell using chords.

@jorge0358

4 жыл бұрын

Pepper a lot of it could also come from tone too, since the original was massively scooped and had less gain, and iirc was quad tracked

3:13 Dave actually did sing Paranoid. Megadeth did a cover of it on Hidden Treasures. It kicks ass.

@aidenkuppen586

4 жыл бұрын

Very

@MirrorMan3038

4 жыл бұрын

its on the Nativity in black Album for the Black Sabbath tribute

@mioszwellenger9737

4 жыл бұрын

I love that version, ending was kinda goofy when I first listened to it

@matturner6890

4 жыл бұрын

Was just going to comment this. I like when Dave yells at Nick Menza at the end for playing past the ending.

@TheArtofGuitar

4 жыл бұрын

Cool I just checked it out. Saw a video of it too. Dave was downpicking most of it. Haha!

Try the Holy Wars verse riff with downpicking

@auri8810

4 жыл бұрын

That would be hard lol

@LeBronJames-sj7ds

4 жыл бұрын

impossible?

@landen.c

4 жыл бұрын

Thats how I played it when I learned it, no wonder it was so hard

@gabrielnevesnascimento667

4 жыл бұрын

Just impossible And would sound weird

@metaldog4642

4 жыл бұрын

Ádám Pongor I alternate and downpick it.

2:36 James actually alternate picked American Idiot, when he played it.

@continentalaquatics2725

4 жыл бұрын

PrometheusTV True! I remember him doing that when Metallica stepped in for them at a particular concert when Billie Joe went to rehab in 2013. James only played the main riff along with Lars and after a few bars, James says “that’s all we had time to learn”. It was pretty cool of Metallica to fill in for Green Day during their time of need!

@kloppskalli

4 жыл бұрын

Because no one's playing punk rock with down strokes only?

@slankyjanky9483

4 жыл бұрын

@@kloppskalli Every Ramones song was down picked

@bt3743

4 жыл бұрын

@@kloppskalli are you fucking dense. Punk rock is known for its downpicking fetish

@garrettpicklepeepeehands8554

4 жыл бұрын

kloppskalli jesus that was a dumb thing to say

From what I noticed, KK Downing and Glenn Tipton play the Painkiller riff with different picking, and that gives the song it's unique kind of flow.

James is a very percussive rhythm player as to where Dave is one of the most unorthodox lead players in metal. Grew up playin n listenin to both bands and one thing is for sure. Megadeth songs are much more complicated to learn and play than Metalica songs. How Dave sings and plays half the shit he writes at the same time is inhuman.

@harrisontownsend910

Жыл бұрын

I know right.

Funny thing is BOTH James and Dave have covered Paranoid and they BOTH make it sound badass.

@phantom_wolf5274

9 ай бұрын

I didn’t know Metallica covered paranoid

God, what I wouldn't give for an album of Metallica and Megadeth covering each other's songs. To hear not just these picking differences, but ALL the differences, between the two bands' styles would be amazing. Imagine James singing Holy Wars, or Dave singing, well...anything by Metallica.

@aiden_macleod

4 жыл бұрын

At least on the Megadeth versions, all the mistakes wouldn't be covered up by a wah pedal!

@Ensid1993

4 жыл бұрын

@@aiden_macleod i like both kirk and dave styles, but I can call tons of epic kirks solos while dave - none to be honest. I mean I could but the point is that dave solos sound all the same with pentatonic scale, the same pattern and very often going just up the fret like in holy wars or sudden death. I wont go through whole megadeth career to prove my point but most of dave solos are very similar and if you play me their songs I can tell which solos he played and which played other guitarist, marty or chris or kiko. from the other side chris broderick is godlike guitarist but I dont see him doin good in megadeth, i like sudden deaths solo (its epic) but cant recognize any other his good solo. But on YT hes shredding like beast. Kiko and marty were best lead players in mega, solos hard as fck yet with soul, those bends jeez. Dystopia is beyond. I love megadeth older records but his actual voice on dystopia is rough hard and heavy while on rust in peace he sounds silly, same as in countdown to extinction etc. and i believe kirk nor james nor dave can land marty / kiko solos. Dave and kikr maybe could if they spent weeks just learning one solo but I doubt james could nail any of these solos.

@runwhileyoucan9309

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely the solos and drums will be much better

@FadingFires

4 жыл бұрын

I’d love for James and Dave to record a proper album together of original material.

@FadingFires

4 жыл бұрын

Too bad that will probably never happen.

alternate picking sounds more groovy down picking is more aggressive

@pallbearer1175

4 жыл бұрын

max hebden Metallica is so much more groove driven than Megadeth though

@kirabey8946

2 жыл бұрын

@@pallbearer1175 kinda ironic when you think about it really.

having both of these in your arsenal for different occasions is key!

@FadingFires

4 жыл бұрын

Ayyyyyy

Guitar Players: We playing "master of puppets using downpicking" The Art of Guitar: "3:30" Guitar Players: Wait that's illegal

@coders22

4 жыл бұрын

Haha!

@FadingFires

4 жыл бұрын

\m/ METAL POLICE \m/

I am by NO MEANS an expert but I agree with everything apart from Painkiller. I really like the “squeak” sound that came with the down strokes (forgive my terminology I just don’t know how else to describe it). Wish I had KZread and The-Art-of-Guitar years ago. This dude is a really good tutor!

The best example is Dave's Ride The Lightning riff 😃

@prometheustv6558

4 жыл бұрын

Maciej Niewiński I like the way Dave plays it because he actually does the spider chord whereas James just uses his middle finger.

@muhammadirsyazman8389

4 жыл бұрын

PrometheusTV he palm muted it

@dhelsgade

4 жыл бұрын

And that delicious riffs eventually transforming itself into Hook In Mouth. I gotta say, what a ride. Listening that song feels like lightning is hooked in your mouth

@zane4575

4 жыл бұрын

Im glad Metallica had that riff, megadeth would have fucked it up like they fucked up 4 horsemen with mechanix

@runwhileyoucan9309

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean the spider chords ?

The-Art-Of-Thrash

@MKDumas1981

4 жыл бұрын

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Let's be honest, everything sounds fun, if you imagine dave sing it

@skippityblippity8656

4 жыл бұрын

Marvin Timke Funny*

@Vortexafternoon

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine Dave singing a Coeed and Cambria song

@rendyandrian7149

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. It's even more fun if you imagine dave plays rhythm on all those songs.

@vladv5126

2 жыл бұрын

More like hilarious

Both are obviously outstanding musicians.

3:14 fortunately you don’t have to imagine! Megadeth released their cover of paranoid on their hidden treasures album!

@beanspack3976

4 жыл бұрын

Was on the Nativity in Black (Sabbath tribute) album before that.

My votes Painkiller: James Midnight: James American: James Steal: James Paranoid: James Master: James (duh) Tornado: Dave (duh) I like the aggression and punch that downpicking gives riffs

@ButtahDawgMcDouble

3 жыл бұрын

Hey thats my dads name

@mafasah98

3 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see someone play a song like Killing Is My Business with downpicking xd

@JRockG123

2 жыл бұрын

James! Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh! 🤣

I honestly liked them all better with Dave's style also you need to do more comparison vids Mike, these are where you really shine. love you to death man 🤘

@sebastianlootus6950

4 жыл бұрын

Cygnus X-1 so Your Telling me that master of puppets sounds better with ”daves style”.... i understand that you might be a superfan but you can’t deny James style and power that he uses in his music!

@gogox98

4 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianlootus6950 If I have to be completely honest, I expected MoP to shine in James' style cause you know, it's the default down picking song. However there I simply noticed the smallest difference out of all the songs presented, at least in the part that was played. I recon the intro would sound better on down picking, even though I haven't heard it alt picked. However I have never learned the riff cause of the purist attitude of "Metallica songs have to be downpicked no matter what". I have tried to learn to downpick but it is just way too much effort if you want to simply play a few songs. And I think this is the worst thing because I have met other people who also haven't learned metallica songs, or many thrash metal songs in general, b/c they can't downpick well. This is like the never ending argument about Mark Knopfler material and using a pick vs fingers, usingthis or that guitar etc. You can look it up, there's an absolutely wonderful cover of Sultans of Swing USING A PICK. I bet if you had your eyes clsoed or didn't know the technique used beforehand, you either wouldn't notice the difference in sound or wouldn't think it sounds any worse. I have learned one of his songs with fingerstyle just ebcause I enjoyed it, not b/c it MST be played with fingers. Bottom line is this: it's much better to just encourage everyone to simply PLAY, no matter how "pure" their approach is. An alt picked version of MoP is better than no MoP at all, regardless of whether or not you notice the difference in sound. I also recon learning to downpick it will be easier once you got it down with alt picking, as you will be more motivated.

@Omar_E11

4 жыл бұрын

​@@sebastianlootus6950 Deth fans have a huge bias.

@anusface2

4 жыл бұрын

@@Omar_E11 Yes. We're biased towards good music, rather than radio fanfare.

Comparing Metallica and Megadeth guitarists: *starts playing Judas Priest*

@limitingchaos

4 жыл бұрын

That's the point, dude

@AJEDDY97

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta start on a common ground, ya know?

@TheFlexXMLG

4 жыл бұрын

GETS IT ikr 😂

upstrokes definitely give a riff more of a 70's funk rock vibe

Love seeing these two picking styles compared. As a beginner guitarist (been learning for about a year now), I have almost exclusively been told by other more experienced guitarists to invest in my alternate picking, as it enables one to play fast at higher levels(as opposed to economy picking for example). It sure is cool to see what kind of different sounds you can get out of just down picking, though! Love these guitarists, their bands, and this channel!

My votes Painkiller: Dave Midnight: Dave American: James Steal: can't decide Paranoid: James Master: James (duh) Tornado: Dave Awaiting part 2 :)

IMO alternate is more groovy, while down picking has more attack in the sound

Megadeth song is like more groovy. That’s why they always use alternate picking. Metallica is more to heavier stuff. James rhythm playing is magnificent. His downpicking and gallop picking is great

@collinmackin5911

4 жыл бұрын

Shockheadd45 Neither of those are “more advanced versions.” Economy picking is a separate style of picking that incorporates string sweeps, and tremolo picking is the exact same thing as alternative picking.

@georgiykireev9678

4 жыл бұрын

@@collinmackin5911 Actually, you're wrong on both points. Economy picking isn't very difficult from an objective standpoint, however you might notice that nobody starts playing guitar with it, and learning economy picking is a pain in the ass. And tremolo picking is not the same as alt picking. There's little to no wrist movement, it's all in the elbow there. Although I definitely agree that it's not an advanced technique.

@jschro446

3 жыл бұрын

Did you seriously just say Metallica is heavier than Megadeth? How the hell did you not get laughed out of the room here...Are you all deaf?

@fernandodominguez9143

2 жыл бұрын

@@jschro446 kill em’ all to and justice for all are pretty fuckin heavy though I agree megadeths stuff is more consistently thrash

@Yonny316

2 жыл бұрын

@@fernandodominguez9143 Dave wrote all of metallicas heavy shit so makes sense

Alternative picking and strictly down strumming both have their place and you did a really great job showcasing and explaining how the different styles create tension and/or power in their own distinctive ways. Excellent video.

Two of the most influential guitarists in metal. I give the edge to Mustaine - I just hear more fire in his playing. James definitely held the fort down more, in life as well, but I kind of like the controlled chaos of Mustaine.

@FadingFires

4 жыл бұрын

Dave’s playing encapsulates the emotion and power of metal without having to try to impose “heavy” in his tone and playing for the sake of being “heavy”. “Wake Up Dead” and “The Conjuring” are both really great examples of that. Same thing goes for “Last Rites/Loved to Death” and “Five Magics”.

Great job! Too bad everyone is asleep in my house otherwise I'd be blaring some Megadeath right now!🤘🤘

What a fun video! I gotta agree with all of your assessments. the down strumming just has a tightness and the alternate picking just has a flow! Stay sane brother and keep up the fun videos during this time!

About 10 years ago I had the thought "I want Dave Mustaine to sing every song ever."

At the end you mention the percussive attacks and i think that *that* is one of the sharpest distinction with their styles

Nobody can stop loving my 80s James, with those long wild curly golden hair, tight Jean, and most of all his fucking explorer in his lap.😍

Interesting video, Mike. Thanks again for all the uploads.

Is this channel The-Art-of-Metallica???

@metriclap

4 жыл бұрын

yes

@MKDumas1981

4 жыл бұрын

If it is, is that a problem?

@estagisep_

4 жыл бұрын

Gonna cry?

Whenever you do videos with the SG I always get distracted just looking at it. Such a beautiful axe.

I think the most interesting part of down-picking vs alternate-picking is the development of understanding most guitarists go through. Most metal guitarists start with downpicking, then get to know alternate picking, learn it, while recognizing that many things are way easier to play like that and assume it to be superior. They start to alternate pick everything until they realize, that even very good guitarists that mostly use alternate picking are swapping to downpicking some songs because of the sound they want to achieve with. Then they start downpicking again just to realise how much harder it actually can be. In the end I think that some techniques like altrnatepicking or even economy picking are kind of superior or more efficient, but have a different sound. So I guess it is all up to onrs taste in the end.

@bt3743

4 жыл бұрын

It also depends what your physically able to do. If you can't downpick comfortably then don't do it. It doesn't matter if it's not the "proper way to play the song" if you can't do it then don't.

After watching several times.... I think your opinions are fairly accurate on rythmic flow. Good to see some support on alternate rythym playing!

The verse riff of Tornado of Souls is half downpicked (in the B), half alternate (in the F#-G-E thing) according to Kiko Loureiro

Before I only did down picking cause I was afraid of breaking the guitar strings I did alternate picking, but then I got to learn alternate good, my favorite is tremelo picking.

i commend the choice of "Steal Away the night" Little known Ozzy cut, great riff.

Good stuff Mike, keep pumping em out! Keep Well!!

I definitely don't typically commit to just one picking style, I alternate between the two just based on feel, if I want more aggression I'm gonna down pick and if I want more flow or more speed for tremolo I'm gonna alternate. I often find myself changing in the same riff as well, down pick the bass notes and alternate others. I have a weird habit of actually UP picking instead of down picking sometimes too, my guitar teacher tried to discourage that but I had already been playing for several years before my first lessons so it was a habit that was very hard to break

Painkiller- Dave Living After Midnight- James American Idiot- Dave Steal Away- James Paranoid- James MOP- James Tornado- Dave

Love the videos :), try all upstrokes as well

We you certainly played both styles very well. I enjoyed this session.Thanks

There are some major benefits to not only learning riffs with straight downstrokes, but UPSTROKES as well. If you can't play 16th upstrokes at 80bpm, there's definitely a problem IMO. It'll make you a MUCH better player if your upstrokes match your downstroke abilities, I'm playing Yngwie licks and a bunch of sweep stuff I could only dream of playing ever since I started really working on upstrokes.

Mustaine alternate picks because he wants the higher notes not to be muffled from the lower notes. You’ll see him do a lot of up picks on slow parts where the power cord is progressing up and down the neck for example

Well played, man! Clean and in-the-pocket.

Both put together essentially make a 'lead' rhythm and a 'rhythm' rhythm, if that makes sense. They'd sound killer panned left and right together.

I learned to switch between downpicking and alternate in my riffs exactly where I think both serves a better purpose, where I want it to flow it alternates, downstrokes where I want rythmic percussive chuggs or strong aggressive bends, sometimes even only up-strokes if I want that biting change of sounding tailto a riff. The picking technique add a lot of nuance just to one chord alone, sometimes I change angle on the pick to change the attack sound, even help give some sections of the riff a pitch-harmonic, which can improve a riff by 10% which is worth it, cuz you make it more aggressive. Practice scales for half an hour everyday, practice picking for half an hour a day, that hour would be a lot more meaningful then if you just worked with scales.

Thank you for posting this video. It is appreciated. A point of interest on "Paranoid" is that Iommi uses down-picking based upon the transcription, if memory serves.

I totally get how it might be interesting to see how songs if originally played by the other could have sounded, but they are covers and it is my opinion that they all sound perfect when played the way they were intended to be

Both are great musicians 🤘 Two great styles

Great video dude!

I would say the title of King of the Downstroke belongs to Johnny Ramone. Great vid!

Loving these videos!! Keep thrashing man!!! 🤘

You should've picked the pre-chorus riff from master of puppets. It's one that can be played using Dave's spider chord technique and it actually makes it way easier to play it like dave would

When I play tornado of souls I down pick just because of the amount of Metallica I’ve played. I prefer the down picking sound in tornado

@jawamc5435

4 жыл бұрын

Ryan Johnson yeah same here, learnt tornado the other day and its just natural instinct to downpick for me cuz of the amount of metallica ive learnt

@hectorbiggs2093

4 жыл бұрын

That song is downpicked I’m pretty sure or that’s just how I’ve always played metal it has a different tone tbh

@shalashaska6658

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. That applies to most heavy riffs I learn or write, actually. Downpicking has become instinctive to me

@Sklen34

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

Well, when you play full chords and not single strings, alternate picking vs down picking creates a totally different feel because you hit the notes in reverse. Down picking will play the low notes first, alternate picking will reverse low with high and vice versa. So you create a different sound, it's not just a matter of speed. Once you develop that sound with a song if you change the picking style you now have to judge a different song. It's like playing one of the most famous riffs in history, that of Smoke on the water. The "correct" way of playing it is by plucking the strings together. Any other way will not create the same sound.

Enjoyed this. Love your guitar

Awesome job Brother :-)

You Sir, are my favorite KZread guitar teacher

I absolutely cannot hold the pick like James does.

That pinky is so Glenn Tipton! Wish him all the strength and love!

3:15 he covered Paranoid by Black Sabbath, it's in the album Hidden Treasures Megadeth. Watch the live version of it, he is actually down picking.

Downpicking tends to sound more chunky, while alternate flows better. But it also depends on the song

Agree with your choices. That was a pretty cool topic !

Love your videos. Hope to become a patron once I can afford it. (Wife has MAJOR medical bills and need a ton of care). I play guitar every chance I get and learn a great deal from you. I have a bottom of barrel Jackson but the neck feels fantastic. It's helping with my speed. Looking forward everyday to your next void. Keep rockin.

3:13 You don't need imagine Dave sing this song, Megadeth have covered it

Mustaine said he sometimes prefer to upstroke a chord because you can hear the “second” note first and it gives you a different sound. When you only downstroke a distorted chord the root note comes in too strong and kinda blurries the other note. He uses it in specific contexts * and Dave downpicks the paranoid riff

Surprisingly I agree with you on all of these

I just realized that i play like james. It always felt easier for me. and yes, i downpick tornado of souls

Scott Ian has joined the conversation

I agree with your verdicts. I think Painkiller had the best alternate picking flow

I was surprised at how noticeable the difference in sound between the two styles was. I'm trying to improve my downpicking but a) it's tough and b) I keep wondering if it's worth persisting when I couldn't hear much difference in my playing, but there is a distinction so I guess I've gotta carry on.... *sigh* my metronome haunts me

@shadowspectrum

4 жыл бұрын

It's definitely good to be proficient at both. Certain riffs are just suited to different styles of picking. Imagine the Ramones alternate picked, it just wouldn't have the same feel. But the American Idiot riff in this was a good example of why that song sounds right when strummed with alternate picking.

@metaldog4642

4 жыл бұрын

Aran Bhangal I'm the same way, only with alternate picking. 😂

your vids make me want to pick up the guitar after not playing for decades.....love your videos !!!

How about a video on some iced earth riffs? Let's break down how jon Schaffer plays the crazy stuff he plays

I love the camp Crystal Lake shirt bro!!!

I really enjoyed this idea ..great video, great playing..and, as said, I agree with most of your votes.. I love them both..but Dave has that little misterous thing I love!

Dave played paranoid on a hidden treasures album version and song the whole thing.

Your playing is solid👍

There is a lot more nuance to Dave's playing than just simply alternate picking everything, he will group hammer on's and pull off's to get the right notes and chords on upstrokes that he wants to accent as well as do a lot of straight up downpicking with upstrokes for things he wants to accentuate

Alternate picking if you want to sound like a wizard, and down picking if you want to sound like you're about to stab someone.

I could've sworn I was already subscribed

Downpicking: Pros: More agreesive and tight Cons: Not as precised,more tiring Alt. Pick: Pros: Precise, faster,less tiring Cons: Less agreesive and tight

I think James has the advantage of holding his pick with three fingers that gives him that maximum speed and power with downstrokes. Dave has a good rhythm style but his strengths are in his fretting hand and the licks and riffs he invents.🎸🤘🏻

last time i was this quick to a video you were still posting non-metallica stuff

I don't know what you're hearing but the down stroke and alternate stroke sound totally different

The real winner is when you combine the two styles!!

Actually Dave played Paranoid, there's a track of megadeth with the same song.

It depends on the fell you are going for. RnB, Motown, and funk are a heavy influence for me, so in typically play with alternate picking and a lot of accents on upstrokes. BUT, downstroke have a much more aggressive feel. It all depends on what you want to deliver, and being able to do so is massively important.

Funny how I agreed with every call before you said it

The reason why Hetfield keep using the downpicking is the attack is tight and he is known as the king of downstroke picking

Keep in mind Daves upstroke is as fast as james downstroke,,,, thats how it worked in the beginning.

@boredumb7365

3 жыл бұрын

James simply never learned alternate picking til later

nice t-shirt.

There is no better style. It's obvious really. I loved downpicking on paranoid and painkiller. But I liked alternate picking on steal away the night.

@prometheustv6558

4 жыл бұрын

Alternate picking is good for when you moving around the neck, down picking is good for little movements.

@magneticmagnet4501

4 жыл бұрын

I see you so much on like every other guitar vid

Is your shirt related to McHenry county? Loved it!!

Dave's the King of Swing