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@socaciusorin8318

4 ай бұрын

Would be nice also one on the IAR 99 Soim

Nice video! Thank you ! I remember that in the beginning the Romanians built the plane's fuselage and the Yugoslavs built the plane's wings. The cooperation between Yugoslavia and Romania was very successful.

I consider myself a combat plane fan but have never heard of the Orao. I can always count on your channel to teach me something new. Thank you for the education!

@Truth-Istina

3 ай бұрын

J-22 Orao(Eagle) is a very interesting plane, specific. It was designed by General Professor Renduluć, a man who had given up flying since childhood, a man who grew up in the essence of aviation. He inherited the knowledge of the long tradition of aircraft production in Yugoslavia (Serbia) and upgraded this knowledge with experiences from abroad, primarily France and America. The knowledge he adopted and applied to the J-22 Orao and J-21 Soko (Falcon) was passed on to his students, one of whom is the publisher General General Professor Sava Pustinjje Professor Sava Pustinja in Sarajevo who built and constructed the G-4 Galeb ( Seagull), which was better in a number of parameters than its main competitor L-39 Albatros The G-4 is the safest trainer fighter in the world even today. It had the specific characteristic of forgiving the pilots' mistakes. It is designed so that any life-threatening mistake made by the pilot, it is enough to release the command and the plane returns to the moral position for flight by itself, that is, the plane returns to a safe horizontal position by itself. By the way, that plane has been tested to withstand 8 spins without losing complete control, that is, the maximum number of spins it can withstand has not been determined for safety reasons. It is assumed that he can handle more than 9. An American test pilot (woman) visited Yugoslavia and completed a test flight on the G-4 Galeb and on that occasion successfully flew 7 covites, for security reasons the number is not greater. After the flight, he stated that he thought the plane could certainly handle more than 9 revs because at No. 7 it behaved like most airplanes at No. 3 or 4. The later knowledge gathered on the J-21, J-22 and G-4 was applied to the development of the aircraft under the working name "NA", otherwise in cooperation with France, which was then developing the Rafale, and that "NA" was supposed to be a cheaper single-engine version of the Rafale.But it was intended to be more modern than the Rafale because it would have had a sight on the helmet even then (at that time it was supposed to be the only plane with that exotic possibility). The time of those ideas in Yugoslavia was 1988-1991. And the direct predecessor and culprit for such a fantastic development of events is precisely J-22 and Professor Rendulić. ☦🇷🇸 Then the war started!!!!!!

@gigihentz5510

3 ай бұрын

i haven't, either...

@so_zemlji

3 ай бұрын

The NATO guys on Tuzla airport heard them very well, alright.

@mirandela777

3 ай бұрын

@@Truth-Istina - making an inferior crappy COPY of a foreign product, and painting that in national colors, is NOT innovation. And by no means "advancing the aviation traditions". In Europe, only few countries have a REAL aviation industry, with tradition: the russians, the french, the brits, and the italian. All other countries are just bottom feeders "eating" what these 4 give them. The germans also have an industry, but they lost that at the end of ww2, together with their balls, when they become an occupied country, a colony of the US. The REAL proof of a REAL aviation industry is when a country is able to produce 100% national aircraft, with ALL components made local - especially THE ENGINES, the heart of any aircraft. US is one of these countries. Russia, obvious, is another. France and UK are other. Only these countries are able to produce their 100% NATIONAL jet engines. No licenses involved.

@mynick937

3 ай бұрын

​@@Truth-IstinaThen the war started. Who started the damn war? Ohh,yes 🇷🇸☦️

For whatever reason, the Orao has always been my favorite plane aesthetically.

@Truth-Istina

3 ай бұрын

Moj favorit je G-4 Galeb

@bg76bg

3 ай бұрын

During take-off and landing, and apparently during the flight itself, this plane resembles a falcon/eagle/hawk.

@damirblazevic4823

3 ай бұрын

Orao is a ripoff Jaguar, and Galeb G-4 is a ripoff Hawk.

@tarkovplayah5075

3 ай бұрын

not really@@damirblazevic4823

@maxi4492

3 ай бұрын

It's not a rip-off, it has enough difference.

Only reason why this plane wasnt on par with anything else is having low thrust engines. That limited speed and payload and left it in low tier CAS role. Also in that Bosnia incident where F16 show down 4 J-21/G-2s, 2 planes that got away were J-22s. In 99 they managed to fly combat missions and not get intercepted by NATO in the air.

Yugoslavia planned to make a fighter jet. It was known as "Project NA" (Novi Avion = New airplane). It was supposed to be equipped with French engines and most of avionics. It looked like smaller, single engine Rafale. There were some air tunnel tests with models of this airplane. However, wars and Yugoslavia falling apart stopped this from happening.

@dusanpavlovic4412

4 ай бұрын

Actually Yugoslavia had developed fully functional pilot canopy with HOTAS, fly-by-wire system and voice control in that time. Every sub-system was developed except for the engines, which was to be Snecma M-88 French engine, and because Yugoslavia had the largest Air wind tunnel in south east Europe all aerodynamics testing on models were conducted. That plane needed only two years to conduct its maiden flight, but because of a country breakup that never happened. Serbia had shown interest for reviving this project, but due to poor finance that (still) didn't happened, but all the blueprints are still here.

@damirblazevic4823

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@mirkozlikovski9553

3 ай бұрын

@@damirblazevic4823 not completely funny, even though the project was stopped in its early stages due to the break-up of ex-Yu.... but you can check wikipedia for "Novi Avion", where you can see the pictures of a wind tunnel study model and the cockpit development model... sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_avion

@milan1646

3 ай бұрын

@@damirblazevic4823 Koliko si prost u tvome mozgu a glupoca iz tebe izbija

@budmaister1799

3 ай бұрын

@@damirblazevic4823 A gde su "vaši" avioni (ruvatski)? Ili BILO šta ruvatsko? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😅😂🤣🤣🤣

A wonderful video shared by an amazing ( weapon detective) channel. Video about IAR -93 Vulture and J-22 Orao versions...designed by Romania 🇷🇴 and Yugoslavia aviation industries of both Balkan countries during the Cold War years. Video also labeled to the characteristics of both multi missions aircraft's ..thank you 🙏( weapon detective) channel for sharing this remarkable video

Romania had a license for the engine from the BAC 1-11 agreement. They were hoping to extend it for the after burner version but this never happened

thank you for giving this beautiful plane the spotlight

Excellent video as always. Once, other countries could design and develop combat jets. It is a pity the end of the Cold War.

Best Video made on this Jet man. Congrats.

always good stuff

Romania din not upgraded IAR93 per se but had another plane IAR-99 Soim (Hawk) which has, since this week, a modernized version IAR-99SM

@MrQ454

3 ай бұрын

There was a planned IAR 95, but was never built even if the project was until the prototype

@cosmincasuta486

3 ай бұрын

Soko G4 Galeb.... vezi si la sarbi

@stanm1977

3 ай бұрын

@@MrQ454and again there was no engine for it, which ultimately was the reason for terminating the program.

@MrQ454

3 ай бұрын

@@stanm1977 Also there were some political change then and that program became superfluous!

Very interesting. I admire smaller countries going their own way. The engines are always the sticking point. Whether preWW2 or Cold War they always seem to have to haggle for western jet engines. Or knock off Russian ones. But still, theres so much in house work to do. Its pretty clear these days however that the West is surging ahead on engine developement. The onsane amountbof thrust today, supercruise, fuel efficiency happening is staggering. And China and Russia aren't matching that. As yet at least.

@serbdriverAU

3 ай бұрын

you sure russia isn't matching those of the west in thrust and speed?

@donberry7657

3 ай бұрын

@serbdriver_au9126 All the reports I read say the Chinese are transitioning from Russian engine designs to their own but that the Chinese are behind schedule on building and swapping them in. That their engines have lower thrust to weight ratios. Also that their longevity is an issue, their metallurgy is behind. Russian jets are fast, everyone gives them that but both Chinese and Russian 'stealth' isn't comparable to the F22 or F35. And the Chinese are reliant for now on Russian RAM coatings. The U.S. has adaptive cycle engines in development, the B52's are getting upgraded with really powerful Rolls Royce engines and there's really interesting work going on with civilian jet engines in the West. The Chinese are now building new airliners but they say their 10 years behind companies like Airbus and Boeing. It's interesting that the U.S. with the F35 built a fighter not as fast as older jets or Russian frontbline fighters. The belief is that stealth matters more. It'll be interesting to see what the next Gen fighter can do.

Frumos avion ❤❤❤

Maybe a less interesting fact, but : in the late 1990s Indonesia had interest on purchasing Soko J-22 Orao. It was intended for the chaser plane purpose for indigenous project of IPTN N-250 turboprop passenger-aircraft. It was tested in Batajnica airfield, but then deemed unsuitable for being too fast for this assignment. So Indonesia decided to acquired one Soko G-2 Galeb (Yugoslav version of T-33 Bird trainer) instead.

@fifi23o5

4 ай бұрын

One correction, Soko G-2 Galeb is not a version of T-33, ot is a completely homegrown developement.

@Etendard1708

4 ай бұрын

@@fifi23o5 Oh yes. That. But externally & functionally it did look similar to T-33. Similar to how Zastava M49/57 looked like PPSh-41, but mechanically different.

@damirblazevic4823

3 ай бұрын

​@@fifi23o5 No, it isn't. It's a ripoff T-33

@fifi23o5

3 ай бұрын

@@damirblazevic4823 Nope. Structurally and aerodinamically very different.

@damirblazevic4823

3 ай бұрын

@@fifi23o5 Yeah, right 🤣🤣🤣

Thank u ❤

What surprises me the most is these seem to be better maintained and modernized than many Su-25 flown by Russia.

@jerryle379

4 ай бұрын

Bruh either you are really blind by propaganda or bias. If you have say the Russian navy or ground force then It true , but they air force ain't know for shit maintain

@The_ZeroLine

4 ай бұрын

As much as I hate Russia, they’re not and the base platforms are as garbage as they come. New upgrades include TV guidance. That’s 50+ years out of date tech already. 747s can fly as fast as these fighter jets.

@dusanpavlovic4412

4 ай бұрын

@@jerryle379 Probably he was applying on the modernizations and capabilities , because SU-25 had better overall capabilities when both aircrafts were made, but Orao with the newest upgrades is much more advanced aircraft than SU-25. Also Orao became some kind of a testbed for newly made Serbian smart rockets. For example new VRVZ-200 tv guided rocket hit a target of a size of a barrel from 40.000 m distance.

@MrQ454

3 ай бұрын

many SU 25 used commercial GPS for autos until lately!

@dusanpavlovic4412

3 ай бұрын

@@MrQ454 Pilots got to manage somehow

whod be nice to see Serbia and Romania cooperete on building together a new modern plane thet can compite with the moust modern of them all, it can be benefical for bouth countrys economy wise but also political and defensive wise to have this tech and if its Serbia who hase extensive knowlige in miletery industry along with Romania im sure they can achive it

@MultiAnt3

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@dand7763

3 ай бұрын

Impossible now...since Romania became NATO member in 2004...currently , Romania operate F-16 ...20 of them are on duty right now ,while the rest of 29 will arrive soon from Norway ,so Romania will have 49 of F-16 , and from 2030 , Romania will change F-16 with F-35 Lightning II (variant A) ...(Manufacturer: Lockheed Martin , USA)

@abemigos9281

2 ай бұрын

​@@dand7763 Poti sa te pisi pe el de F-35 daca abia in deceniul urmator vor fi livrate primele avioane.

@dand7763

2 ай бұрын

@@abemigos9281 2030 . cu tehnica anului respectiv (computer soft etc) ,deci mai sunt 6 ani conform planului , ei din armata au zis 2030 ,nu eu

Number one

@MlLKMAN

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

translated from Serbian to English J 22 eagle

it would be also interesting to include production numbers

Like... jos pogledo nisam :D

Nice! Much appreciated! Thank you!

U pronounced Ceaușescu better than any other english speaker i heard until now

As far as I remember, Yugoslavia was developing a new super sonic plane before the war, and it was called YU- super sonic. I mean the sketches were sold to France, according to which the Rafale was made!

@stefanpn

3 ай бұрын

Bolest zvana mitomanija.

@TintorDalibor

3 ай бұрын

Dassault Rafale was already accepted into French air force when Project NA (Novi Avion/New Airplane) was proposed. it was supposed to be a cheaper plane based on many developments made for the French plane. According to engineers who worked on initial designs of the plane it wasn't cut down Rafale but it wasn't that far from it.

Орао 🇷🇸💪🏻❤️

J-22 Orao(Eagle) is a very interesting plane, specific. It was designed by General Professor Renduluć, a man who had given up flying since childhood, a man who grew up in the essence of aviation. He inherited the knowledge of the long tradition of aircraft production in Yugoslavia (Serbia) and upgraded this knowledge with experiences from abroad, primarily France and America. The knowledge he adopted and applied to the J-22 Orao and J-21 Soko (Falcon) was passed on to his students, one of whom is the publisher General General Professor Sava Pustinjje Professor Sava Pustinja in Sarajevo who built and constructed the G-4 Galeb ( Seagull), which was better in a number of parameters than its main competitor L-39 Albatros The G-4 is the safest trainer fighter in the world even today. It had the specific characteristic of forgiving the pilots' mistakes. It is designed so that any life-threatening mistake made by the pilot, it is enough to release the command and the plane returns to the moral position for flight by itself, that is, the plane returns to a safe horizontal position by itself. By the way, that plane has been tested to withstand 8 spins without losing complete control, that is, the maximum number of spins it can withstand has not been determined for safety reasons. It is assumed that he can handle more than 9. An American test pilot (woman) visited Yugoslavia and completed a test flight on the G-4 Galeb and on that occasion successfully flew 7 covites, for security reasons the number is not greater. After the flight, he stated that he thought the plane could certainly handle more than 9 revs because at No. 7 it behaved like most airplanes at No. 3 or 4. The later knowledge gathered on the J-21, J-22 and G-4 was applied to the development of the aircraft under the working name "NA", otherwise in cooperation with France, which was then developing the Rafale, and that "NA" was supposed to be a cheaper single-engine version of the Rafale.But it was intended to be more modern than the Rafale because it would have had a sight on the helmet even then (at that time it was supposed to be the only plane with that exotic possibility). The time of those ideas in Yugoslavia was 1988-1991. And the direct predecessor and culprit for such a fantastic development of events is precisely J-22 and Professor Rendulić. ☦🇷🇸 Then the war started!!!

@bg76bg

3 ай бұрын

And then the French stole the plans for the "NA" (new airplane/novi avion) and constructed the Rafale.

@damirblazevic4823

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Helloverlord

3 ай бұрын

Good one. Who knows what he design but we all know what SFRY made - a flying chicken.

@Truth-Istina

3 ай бұрын

They didn't steal it, it was built as a cooperative. Theirs was the fuselage and engine parts and the rest we had to do, more precisely SFRJ

@altergreenhorn

3 ай бұрын

@@bg76bg lool it was opposite, the French was preparedd to help yugoslavia, thats why it lookeg like rafale

thank you for your coverage. It's also a very handsome plane especially in white livery. Sadly it had the same fate as the (almost brand new) mig 29s ,nato corruption and skull duggery. in the case of the mig 29 they claimed no hangar space which is ridiculous. instead they modernized the ancient mig 21 which led to the death of many skilled pilots. There was even a mig 29 tech dem made with the partner company Elbit(the same that modded the 21) Romania stil has the iar Soim which is a good trainer and maybe light drone hunter but this Vultur is so "secsi" Multumesc

@matovicmmilan

Ай бұрын

I've seen Romanian air force still using the MiG-21s relatively recently, but I didn't get why you abandoned the MiG-29s?

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8:30 So, like this are the modern aircraft that use Rocket Assisted Take-Off system? Like Mirage IIIs & Vs or any 3rd Generation Aircraft in service.

@SoulArtSound

3 ай бұрын

J-22 don't use JATO, that's literally only video in existence of J-22 with JATO...probably early tests on recon ver.

This aircraft J-22 Orao/Eagle is still in service in Serbia and in the Serbian Air Force. Above all, the avionics were modernized.

Serbia! 💪🇷🇸

@FRforcing

3 ай бұрын

There were a lot of engineers in Soko from Slovenia and Croatia working on J-21 Jastreb and J-22 Orao

@freelancerxxx

3 ай бұрын

@@FRforcing Soko itself was/is based in Mostar which is in Bosnia.

@KeshillaTeShkurta

3 ай бұрын

Serbia my ass!

@bubaba8938

3 ай бұрын

​@@freelancerxxx or even more correctly in Herzegovina 😅

@eladherzog

3 ай бұрын

​@@freelancerxxx Yea but it was designed in Belgrade VTI.We had just assembly line.

its one of 3 attack aircrafts in use today

I saw this plane for the first time when i visited the military history museum in bucharest romania. Pretty cool plane

Well i Love the harrier

Maybe if the J22 was powered by the Adour instead of the Viper turbojet engine its speed would have been supersonic.

@MrQ454

3 ай бұрын

Viper turbojet engine was intended for target planes at the moment of the apparition of those planes!

@aurelije

3 ай бұрын

It was supposed tibhave one engine but RR didn't like idea to leak technology to Romania part of Warsaw packt so the solution was to use 2 smaller engines that Yugoslavia already had, but it ruined the project

@MrQ454

3 ай бұрын

@@aurelije the Brits gave the Soviet the Nene engine for Mig 15! I guess they became slightly wise after that... Anyway they were heavy infested by Soviet spy...

A year before the beginning of the breakup of Yugoslavia, a prototype aircraft was completed in cooperation with France named NOVI, this name was only as the name of the projects which means new aircraft and looks like Raphael with only one engine and significantly smaller dimensionsHis performance at the time was so advanced that America was also interested in this project since Yugoslavia developed all the capacities to produce many modern aircraft. Since it was all over, the construction of another production hall began, about 100,000 people were supposed to work on this project, who would produce up to 100 aircraft a year, there are plans on the Internet of planes with delta wings that would today be a 4-generation aircraft and would be among the cheapest

@oskng

3 ай бұрын

Opet seres o na i rafalu 😂😂😂😂, nemaju nista zajednicko 😂😂

@velimirkolundzija4451

3 ай бұрын

@@oskng Ooo, poceo sam da dobijam i pratioce, možda pocnem i da zaradjujem od ovog pisanja, ili ce pre da me uhapse?!?!

@oskng

3 ай бұрын

@@velimirkolundzija4451 sjeti se svojih pisanja o rusima i tri dana u ukrajini 😂😂😂

@altergreenhorn

3 ай бұрын

@@oskng izjava 3 dana je data od strane americkog sekretara Lloyd Austin toliko da znas koliko si glup.

@altergreenhorn

3 ай бұрын

@@velimirkolundzija4451 US was very interested in a tranier Galeb G-4, so caled Novi never took out of a drawing boards, US had no interest for that thing it was just a picture

Ironically, poorly made chaff is more effective than well made Western chaff because they burn at such inconsistent temperatures they’re much better at confusing Western heat seeking missiles whose chaff countermeasures are programmed to screen for chaff that have similar burning characteristics as their own chaff.

@SoulArtSound

3 ай бұрын

Chaffs do not burn..u mean flares.

@thaninjaaaa8970

3 ай бұрын

Chaff's are clouds of aluminium shrapnell to confuse radar guided missiles, while flairs burn to cnfuse heat seaking missiles ❤

During joint development, Romanian engineeris were lagging behind Yugoslav one, so it make some delay in development, but political will was that project should be done together, so neighbors were helped and waited to catch up ❤

@Sofia-0001

3 ай бұрын

That's what they told you? Then you better make it alone.

@milosvojinovic5710

2 ай бұрын

@@Sofia-0001 don't be angry. We love You 😘 Like a older brother loves younger brother

@Sofia-0001

2 ай бұрын

@@milosvojinovic5710 I guess the older brothers are those who were there as Daco-Romans for centuries when you came and gave you 70-80% of who you are today.

@milosvojinovic5710

2 ай бұрын

@@Sofia-0001 no Opposite 😀

@Sofia-0001

2 ай бұрын

@@milosvojinovic5710 goodness, you wanna turn all the written history upside down, in order to suit your political agenda? you really brainwashed.

that the British did not, contrary to the contract, deliver weaker engines to the SFRY ... so as not to compete with Jaguar the story would be somewhat different

Is the Japanese F-1 not a product of Mitsubishi?

@WeaponDetective

4 ай бұрын

Yes

@jaws848

4 ай бұрын

@@WeaponDetective only aaked because you said "Kawaski F-1" in the video

@WeaponDetective

4 ай бұрын

@@jaws848 We mentioned the Kawasaki F-1 since they look similar in appearance.

@jaws848

4 ай бұрын

@@WeaponDetective Kawaski F-1....never heard of it....

@pavkovic77

3 ай бұрын

Kawasaki zx10r

Yugoslavia provided air intake design to China jh-7 fighter bomber .

Orao and Sokol Made in Yugoslavia❤

Orao/J22/Eagle

Saab Gripen suspiciously looks like J22.

@damirblazevic4823

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Oh yes. The Yugoslavian Jaguar.

@Etendard1708

4 ай бұрын

More like Yugoslavian Alpha Jet for me 😂

The main problem for this plane was miscalculation of Yugoslav team, namely they had good realations with the west, thats why they got licence for RR jet engine, for its trainer jets Galeb G 2. J -22/ IAR 93 needed a new better engine, to fly supersonic, but because yugoslavia decided to work with a warshaw pact member Romania the West said nope on new licence, so they stuck with underpowered engine.The plane itself was ment for the role as British Jaguar had

Did i missed it how many of them built?

@vladimirjosipovic9471

4 ай бұрын

I believe 165 in former Yugoslavia

Koja varijanta Orla ima pitocev sa strane ,a ne tačno na špicu???

Laugh all you want but Romanian Eagles are the Only Planes officially launched on a mission to fight Aliens 😂

Very jaguar? Coincidentally?

@thecyberdork776

3 ай бұрын

I read somewhere that this design was proposed by the Yugoslavs, the Romanians proposed a design similar to the SU-25.

Excellent video, extremely good analysis, bravo! As far as the plane itself is concerned the J-22 is certainly the best analysis that can be found! But several corrections on this topic, the J-22 as well as the Romanian version of the IAR-93, were rivals to the Soviet aircraft as much as to the Western ones. So they were not at all! Nor could they threaten Soviet or Western aircraft in a military or sales sense?! So it's nonsense. J-22 and IAR-93 were never even sold to anyone! Because first of all, these are small attack and reconnaissance planes that had the role of attacking targets on the ground, and for reconnaissance missions, they don't even have radars. These are not fighter-interceptors that could replace Soviet aircraft in the arsenals of Romania and Yugoslavia. Because neither Romania nor Yugoslavia were able to produce serious airplanes. It's the kind of war machine that was produced in the west or in the east in Russia! Both Romania and Yugoslavia bought and used their own fighter planes of a higher category, fighter interceptors MIG-15, 21, 29... MIG-21 was used until last year in Serbia and Romania, while Croatia still uses them. Also, Serbia still uses the MIG-29 inherited from Yugoslavia, and later acquired a larger part of these planes additionally from Russia and Belarus... So, you can see and conclude from that yourself. The alleged "rebellion of Yugoslavia and Romania against the Soviets"?! It's funny! It would have been successful if Romania and Yugoslavia could produce aircraft that would be, at the level, or better than the MIG-21 or MIG-29! But that was not the case even close! From airplanes, helicopters, to all air defense and land army systems, and even rifles, uniforms to helmets, mines, bombs... Both Romania and Yugoslavia used 80-90% of Soviet military equipment. Or they produced some systems in their countries, but only under Soviet license. So he's talking about an alleged "rebellion against the Soviets"?! It's a funny story that has nothing to do with the truth! A few corrections about some of the historical facts that you mentioned in the video. First of all, the Partisans were the paramilitary army of the Soviet Union in Yugoslavia throughout WW2. And they maintained such a relationship until 1948. By the way, the Red Army liberated Serbia and most of Yugoslavia, which the partisans joined as a paramilitary force, when the Red Army entered from the direction of Bulgaria and Romania in 1944, over 450,000 Red Army soldiers! So they liberated Yugoslavia, not the partisans! By the way, in communist Yugoslavia after it was distanced from the USSR, a myth was created that "the partisans liberated Yugoslavia themselves"?! What is an internal lie! But obviously when you foreigners also fell for such stupidity and that kind of false propaganda. Then it really seems true, that phrase, that a lie repeated a thousand times "becomes the truth" Unfortunately. The partisans only joined as a paramilitary of the USSR and the Red Army when they entered Yugoslavia. By the way, even decades before WW2 and throughout WW2, the Communist Party of Yugoslavia was under the command of the USSR, first in a political sense, later in a military sense. The Red Army, when it entered Yugoslavia, enthroned Tito in power in Yugoslavia in 1944. If there was no Red Army, there would be no Tito, nor would Yugoslavia be communist, these are obvious facts. By the way, Tito and the KPJ, the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, were still a decade before WW2 until the war itself, they were just operating and training in Moscow and the USSR, to be the paramilitary USSR in Yugoslavia, right as a socialist later, the Communist Party, and then if there was a war and as an army, which is what happened, in order to carry out the communist revolution. By the way, when Tito, after his power was sweetened, and he wanted to be a great dictator and satrap himself, he did not want to share it with anyone, so the resolution of Informbiro followed in 1948, who in the then Yugoslavia declared that he was in favor of Stalin. was liquidated or taken to a "bare island", most of them were in the partisans during the war. In translation, this is what the Soviets also had, called the Gulag, only worse than that. Practically, Yugoslavia was a trojan horse for NATO, in that situation, that Tito feigned "neutrality", and from the beginning of the 50s, for this reason, Yugoslavia was financed with loans practically exclusively by the US, until its disintegration. It is also incorrect to inform you that the Soviets were satisfied because Yugoslavia is not in NATO, and that in the alleged WW 3 it would not be on NATO's side?! Yugoslavia had long been under the financial control of the US and thus NATO, if WW3 had happened, Tito's Yugoslavia would certainly have been on NATO's side. I would also emphasize that the Army of the Republic of Srpska (the army of local Serbs from Bosnia, that is, the Republic of Srpska) had the J-22, as you mentioned, and successfully used it in the war. And now they have them in the warehouse, but they are not operational. While the army of the Republika Srpska Krajina (a small army of local Serbs, today it is Croatia) did not have jet aviation in its inverter, so the team itself, of course, did not have the J-22 either.

@slobodanmarkovic4584

4 ай бұрын

J 22 was sold by Tito Yugoslavia to 1 country in the world and that is Burma or Mynmar

@MrDomingo55

4 ай бұрын

Crap

@SRB.4S

4 ай бұрын

@@MrDomingo55 looks like you're here, the only big crap

@SRB.4S

4 ай бұрын

@@slobodanmarkovic4584 Friend, you don't even know the basic difference between planes?! A few G-4 training planes were sold to Myanmar. Not the J-22! And that and the time when Tito was not alive for a long time.

@slobodanmarkovic4584

4 ай бұрын

G4 were sold to Lybya you clerly don't know basic difference between planes. And J22 were sold to Burma @@SRB.4S

The Eastern Block was the Second World, not Third World.

IAR 99? :D

It’s still interesting what they could do evendough Stalin wanted this country to be only an agrarian country

Yugoslavia was completelly free from Soviet rule after 1949 and was a FOUNDING member of the Non-Alligned Movement, sort of THIRD BLOCK. Romania was a Soviet allie within Warsaw Pact. Can you grasp the difference? Bad job for a guy calling himself "detective".

Hey, you know the OREO cookies? Put the emphasis on the first letter "O" and change E with A and you will get the correct pronunciation of the Serbian word "eagle". :)

The emgines were the weak.point of this project .underpower unfortunatly .and the unreliabilty of some components but thiis can be fixed .iar 93 need at first a new engine and a radar possible in.theory but in reality .....the aircraft was retired on 1998

IAR-93 Vultur was cancelled because the romanian industry was not capable of producing replacement parts for a plane so ridiculously unreliable that it never was fully operational. And it lacked armour. The costs were so high that it was eating too much of the airforce budget.

Thank you. Allow me to point out that the part at 14' is showing hit of a MANPAD, but it wasn't J-22 involved, it was two J-21 Jasterb (Hawk) down by two MANPADS.

Looks like a Serbian-fried Nanchang Q-5 or a bootleg Jaguar.

@prowlus

4 ай бұрын

More like a HAL Marut

@sasavulic1236

4 ай бұрын

Q-5 its copy of J-22 only biger,but it is copy of Jaguar for sure.

@oskng

3 ай бұрын

Prvo i osnovno, to nije srpski avion, nego jugoslovenski. Drugo: iznad hrvatske, oboreno ih je puno vise nego sto je ovdje navedeno. Obarani su redovno i to po par komada dnevno

@milosgostiljac7329

3 ай бұрын

@@oskngne seri

@oskng

3 ай бұрын

@@milosgostiljac7329 smeta istina?????

No one j22 eagle wasnt shoot on the ground during 1999.Thats nato propaganda, they dont damege one per cent of Serbian army during their bombing campain.Thats was shame of nato,and they talk some crezy things,but I was in the army during that war,and when our equipment go out from forest(his army-nato, was informed that sernian army didnt exist) they were in shock (mostly Italians),just my unit ,our equipment coloumn was long 10km,no one vehicle wasnt hit ,and nato bomb civilian targets,bridhes,industrial objects etc.,and we (Serbia) must sign agreement in Kumanovo,again army was in super condition,but nato generals must say something,and they talk some creazy things.J22 eagle was and now is with modernization super plane,in ex BiH and Croatia he do his job verry well,on record when autor says that one j22 was shoot down in Croatia,that wasnt j22 but g2 ,again no one wasnt shoot on ground in this days.

@damirblazevic4823

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Dotalol123

3 ай бұрын

SFRJ je proizvela ukupno 78 komada u vise razlicitih tipova aviona j-22, i 85 g4 supergalebova, danas je operativno svega 10 J22 orlova jednoseda i 20 supergalebova, to su zvanicni podaci, sta mislis gde je razlika? Sansa da napravimo makar jedan danas sa ovom trenutnom ekonomijom je ravna da u dvoristu nadjes zlato! Znaci nula, samim tim nasa vojska vise lici na mog komsiju Mileta koji popravlja svoju krtntiju stojadina u dvoristu jer za nov auto nema pare, nego na neku vojnu silu, ali ajde ako je tebi tako lakse zivi u zabludama...

What's a Kawasaki F1??

Orao pao

UNDE NAIBA E SUNETUL ??!

Little known fact - Romanian and Yugoslav intelligence stole the paperwork for SEPECAT Jaguar from the French and made their versions of that jet.

@kks777

3 ай бұрын

Yep, these nations have never done anything else... just stole everything.

Looks like a copy of a SEPECAT Jaguar.

Interesting but no more than this. Romania is not any more able to produce these planes and neither to make a new version. And for sure in future they will never be able to do this because of lack of engineers and science human resource. They had few individual succes but no more than this. They dont have the capacity or the knowledge to manage this kind of projects. Sebia maybe because they are different, they are more organized and have more initiatives.

@birouldoi1776

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's for sure. Serbia is nore organised. We saw how they f### up all Yugoslavia. 😅

@user-ih4fw4nw3b

3 ай бұрын

@@birouldoi1776 partially true, because there are 4-5 more ethnics people. But from what i saw despite they had a war, despite they were in split in 4 or 5 ministates, they are still able to produce planes. Acctully in contrast with romanians they continue to update and improve their version. More than that, they star to produce also drones.

@birouldoi1776

3 ай бұрын

@@user-ih4fw4nw3b yeah, sure. They made good products like China. In fact Serbia is a puppet of Russia and China. Go away, man, you have no ideea what it mean to do reliable products.

@irimescuioan9170

3 ай бұрын

totally wrong. Romania has an aviation tradition of over 110 years. The first plane built entirely in Romania by Romanian engineers flew for the first time in 1910. The IAR factories built planes for the Romanian army in the 30s. Romania built passenger planes that the Rombac 111 project.School planes.Fighter planes and even had its own supersonic plane project.And today the aeronautical industry is strong building Airbus helicopters.Components for Airbus aircraft.Drones.Recreational plane factories.Does maintenance of military and civil aircraft for many countries in Europe.

@user-ih4fw4nw3b

3 ай бұрын

@@irimescuioan9170 we were talking about something different. We were talking about that romania is not anymore able to produce jet fighters. And not in the near future.

Orao didnt even had a radar. PS- yugoslavs did not expelled Nazzis. Some yugoslav nations in fact were Nazzis ( Croats, Bosniaks). It was Red.Army that.expelled nazzis from yugoslavia and installed its local comrades in to power ( thank you for - nothing)

@milosjovicevic6083

3 ай бұрын

Crvena Armija je samo ubrzala izbacivanje Nemaca. Tako kad pišeš pljuješ na mnogo poginulih Srba na Sremskom Frontu. I da nije Crvena Armija došla Nemci bi bili izbačeni samo mesec-dva kasnije. Partizani su već dobili mnogo teškog oružja i gomilu aviona.

@markot9902

3 ай бұрын

@@milosjovicevic6083 Pljujem na diktatora Tita i sve budale sto kraj ociju ne vide ni danas. Nemci su izgubili manje ljudi u SFRJ nego u saobracajnim nesrecama. Na celom Balkanu (Grcka, Bugarska, Rumunija,SFRj) subizgubili 25 000 ljudi , racunajucini par hiljada zrtava izbsestoaprilskog rata. Ostalo su bidalastine. Sremski front je bio klanica SRPSKE omladine , dok su sveze presvucene ustase (presvukli se unpartizane oz Josipov blagoslov) bile na drugoj obali Dunava i nisu metak ispalile

Ndh end german danke dojcland fakjuu hitla fujj

11 where destroyed if you ask nato. Nato sad that they destroyed 120 jets but yougoslavia never had that many jets (they where bombing logs and thinking that those logs are aircraft)

Orao, the machine that makes noise and uses fuel, without doing any usefull work 😂

If you already translate Orao, it means Eagle.

Romania never officially named the IAR-93 ”Vultur”. :) It was just IAR-93.

Dubrovnik was liberated in 1944......

Too old now ...

Ceausescu began a policy of de-Russification of Yugoslavia...What nonsense. What is he talking about?

@dmax4838

3 ай бұрын

De-Russification of Romania not Yugoslavia

@Imprudentman

3 ай бұрын

@@dmax4838 De-Russification of Romania, Hungary, Yugoslavia? This looks like complete nonsense. These countries were then part of the Warsaw Pact - military cooperation between socialist countries, except, it seems, Yugoslavia. There was also economic cooperation - the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance of Socialist Countries. There were only a few Russians there, but there were plenty of industrial goods shipped from the USSR. Oil, coal, gas. It turns out that if there is an American military base in Korea, does that mean that Korea is being Americanized? I think most Koreans will be very surprised if you tell them about this.

@dmax4838

3 ай бұрын

@@Imprudentman I think you didn't understand the meaning of De-Russification of Romania wanted Not to expel from the country the Russian population in Romania, which was almost non-existent in Romania. De-Russification In the sense of not importing Russian technology and equipment that would have made us dependent on the Russians. We tried to become independent from Russia in terms of energy and industry. Why do you think that we built cars and trucks not with Russian technology, or the nuclear power plant we have was not built with Russian technology, instead we have Canadian technology. Our cars had French technology, the trucks with German technology. The Romanian oil industry was more developed than the Russian one. Many machines in the factories were German or Japanese. The Russians knew this, that's why they didn't sell us the last tanks they had or planes. After mig 21, Romania stopped buying Russian planes. For tanks, I modified and improved what had been bought before the break between the countries (the invasion of Czechoslovakia). Russian politics was losing influence in our country. We were the only country in the Warsaw Pact that didn't have the latest weapons because they didn't trust us. It was said that Ceausescu was trying to build his own atomic bombs.

@Imprudentman

3 ай бұрын

@@dmax4838 If you go to Germany on a tourist trip, for example, and buy German products there, does this mean that you are becoming Germanized? No. You just want to satisfy your needs with the products that the Germans can offer you and that suit you. You won't even give a damn about the political views of the baker who sold you the bun. Because you bought and moved on. Everything here looks fair and transparent. This is the best solution for everyone, it seems to me.

@Imprudentman

3 ай бұрын

@@dmax4838 If you go to Germany on a tourist trip, for example, and buy German products there, does this mean that you are becoming Germanized? No. You just want to satisfy your needs with the products that the Germans can offer you and that suit you. You won't even give a damn about the political views of the baker who sold you the bun. Because you bought and moved on. Everything here looks fair and transparent. This is the best solution for everyone, it seems to me. Was the USSR's policy losing influence in Romania? Don't think . In Romania, Hungary, and Bulgaria there was a group of Soviet troops of 480,000 soldiers and officers. I think they were a serious argument in terms of the influence of the USSR in the region. And you were always afraid that you might be treated like Czechoslovakia. Moreover, the NATO countries were also afraid of this. Taking advantage of the friendship with the USSR, you could build your own military aircraft, because the Russian Ivan, dressed in military uniform, pledged to defend your country from NATO aggression.

Tbh with Ukraine jets wearing out due to the intensity of missions, with rough landing capabilities, would be a good substitute for its SU-25 Frogfoot. It wouldn't mean an operational breakthrough or anything, but it could help give more availability to the Ukrainian airforce especially since those are already retired in every country they literally don't represent any cost other than training and basic pre-delivery maintenance.

Huge blunder on political analysis. In Potsdam conference victorious Allies have divided influence on Yugoslavia as 50/50. That allowed Tito to play both sides.

@Etendard1708

4 ай бұрын

It's not wrong though. Yugoslavia refused to join the Warsaw Pact. Especially after Soviet invaded Hungary 1956 & then Czechoslovakia in 1968. So in return KGB tried to assassinate Josip Broz Tito several times but always failed. Similar effect happened in Romania where Ceaucescu publicly denounced Soviet & Albania under Hoxha left the Warsaw Pact for partnership with China, then left it too, which ultimately isolated Albania from the rest of the world.

@MrDomingo55

4 ай бұрын

@@Etendard1708 There was never a possibility of joining Warsaw pact as the split between Yugoslavia and USSR happened in 1948, WELL before Warsaw Pact was formed in 1950's.

@deadwolf2978

4 ай бұрын

@MarjayounHaddad agreement on spheres of influences been made in 1945. Both sides maintained it until fall of USSR. The fact that Yugoslavia was divided 50/50 allowed for both sides to try and twist it to their side.

@ZokiDobrojevic

3 ай бұрын

Тито је био вишеструки шпијун . Осим за СССР и Енглеску , радио је и за старе савезнике из 1свр. Немце . Конгод да је победио , какви год да су били договори , он би био на власти .

Partisan couldn't do shit in Yugoslavia, "they" started liberating land when Soviets came from the east. That's the only reason why they were winers in Yugoslavia. Up until '44, royalists or better known Chetniks did the most of fighting against occupational forces and local collaboration forces. But communists won with help of Soviets and they then started writing false history which is thought in schools to this day.

@damirblazevic4823

3 ай бұрын

Classic Serbian lies nobody but Serbs believe. If it wasn't sad, it would be hillarious.

Sap Kosovo fakjuuuuu

When I see this plane, i think its a perfect example of one making something from nothing and following the KISS rule. Keep. It. Simple. Stupid.

two Socialist countries, not comunist...We were never comunist!!!

@kks777

3 ай бұрын

😂😂🤣

@KingPantocrator

3 ай бұрын

delirezi badie

Nothing worse in life than mediocracy.

The Germans pulled out of Yugoslavia, yes the partisans helped...

@ankhalamon1830

3 ай бұрын

the first liberated territory in Europe was in Serbia started from 1942, in the area of Užice, and parts of Bosnia and that territory remained free until the end of the war

@--Dani

3 ай бұрын

@@ankhalamon1830 Hell yeah Serbia, Tito raised hell with the Nazi's

@--Dani

3 ай бұрын

@@ankhalamon1830 did bit of research and documents show occupied 41-44, until Germans pulled out and Russians came in...

Vultur does not mean Eagle , Eagle=Orao ,Falcon=Soko, Vultur=Lešinar, Hawk=Jastreb

This is a very poorly designed and very underpowered plane. The worst plane ever made in the former Yugoslavia.

@BabyGreen162

4 ай бұрын

Why?

@jernejfunkl8300

4 ай бұрын

It would deserve much more powerful engines (maybe only one), a good radar and more modern avionics. The Galeb G-4 was a much nicer and better plane. @@BabyGreen162

@Truth-Istina

3 ай бұрын

You're obviously not knowledgeable enough, it's a great plane, with some flaws, but still usable today. Don't forget that it was built 45-50 years ago. J-22 Orao(Eagle) is a very interesting plane, specific. It was designed by General Professor Renduluć, a man who had given up flying since childhood, a man who grew up in the essence of aviation. He inherited the knowledge of the long tradition of aircraft production in Yugoslavia (Serbia) and upgraded this knowledge with experiences from abroad, primarily France and America. The knowledge he adopted and applied to the J-22 Orao and J-21 Soko (Falcon) was passed on to his students, one of whom is the publisher General General Professor Sava Pustinjje Professor Sava Pustinja in Sarajevo who built and constructed the G-4 Galeb ( Seagull), which was better in a number of parameters than its main competitor L-39 Albatros The G-4 is the safest trainer fighter in the world even today. It had the specific characteristic of forgiving the pilots' mistakes. It is designed so that any life-threatening mistake made by the pilot, it is enough to release the command and the plane returns to the moral position for flight by itself, that is, the plane returns to a safe horizontal position by itself. By the way, that plane has been tested to withstand 8 spins without losing complete control, that is, the maximum number of spins it can withstand has not been determined for safety reasons. It is assumed that he can handle more than 9. An American test pilot (woman) visited Yugoslavia and completed a test flight on the G-4 Galeb and on that occasion successfully flew 7 covites, for security reasons the number is not greater. After the flight, he stated that he thought the plane could certainly handle more than 9 revs because at No. 7 it behaved like most airplanes at No. 3 or 4. The later knowledge gathered on the J-21, J-22 and G-4 was applied to the development of the aircraft under the working name "NA", otherwise in cooperation with France, which was then developing the Rafale, and that "NA" was supposed to be a cheaper single-engine version of the Rafale.But it was intended to be more modern than the Rafale because it would have had a sight on the helmet even then (at that time it was supposed to be the only plane with that exotic possibility). The time of those ideas in Yugoslavia was 1988-1991. And the direct predecessor and culprit for such a fantastic development of events is precisely J-22 and Professor Rendulić. ☦🇷🇸 Then the war started!!!

@Truth-Istina

3 ай бұрын

​@@BabyGreen162Let go of the fool, he's not instructed... Read what I said below.

@jernejfunkl8300

3 ай бұрын

Every gypsy praises his horse :)@@Truth-Istina

That was a flyin' shitcan. Overweighted, poor armament, too expensive, good only for shooting down.