IAM Advanced Rider Training - Observed Ride #9

Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары

Out with Karl today. I was curious to know how far I am from test standard, so asked him to treat it like an exam and give me some feedback.
It was a challenging 90 min route incorporating every type of road, from single track to Motorway.

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  • @kgsz
    @kgsz3 жыл бұрын

    Hello Neil, I see and heed your disclaimers at the beginning of every video, but I find these clips, commentary and reviews very useful. Great materials and commendable self-respect and honesty. I enjoyed your videos very much and will be certainly looking forward for more.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback. More stuff coming soon!

  • @TimothyT230
    @TimothyT2306 жыл бұрын

    You are so lucky to have an opportunity to ride. Here in North Carolina it has been raining solid for about 2 months. And I don’t mean soft English mist rain, I mean torrential downpours causing flash floods and road closures. I was missing my bike so much I gave it a clean today. It wasn’t even dirty 😂

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Greg Lessing sorry to hear that Greg. There's some weird stuff going on with the global weather right now. Europe is getting its hottest ever day, and we had five falls of snow here in the UK this winter. Wildfires in Australia and California too. Let's hope you get a dry patch and get out on two wheels soon my friend.

  • @samguy9370
    @samguy93705 жыл бұрын

    Hello mate. Really enjoying your advanced training videos. I'm looking fwd to starting mine

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    5 жыл бұрын

    Sam Guy Hi Sam glad you're getting so rating out of them. I've tried to give the whole story to help everyone's learning. Make sure you subscribe to the SeaFlyFisher masterclass series too.

  • @neiloakey5183
    @neiloakey51836 жыл бұрын

    Hey I havnt followed all your videos but wow your riding is really polished... I need to practice more n catch up with your standard.. well done n keep posting..

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Neil. You win my commentee of the month award ;-) You're clearly a very perceptive bloke and a great judge of motorcycling ability. Seriously, it's a journey, and I've had a lot of help, and am nowhere near the standard I'm aiming for, but that's the challenge. Just hoping it's of some use to those wishing to learn the skills, and those generous souls who give their time and knowledge so freely and want to teach it better.

  • @johnpresland1537
    @johnpresland15376 жыл бұрын

    Hi Neil, another interesting and useful video. I think it illustrates your progress in terms of riding skills, and the feedback from your Observer will be very helpful. Speed limits can so easily be missed, you can only practising mentally noting them, and then looking for a change and/or the NSL. It' s difficult to assess just watching a video but the 'progress' is the one to work on. My suggestion - and it is only a suggestion - is that you may be concentrating so much on getting the entry right that you are not picking up the 'exit vision' as soon as it appears and getting that acceleration going. I have always found 'slow in and faster out' to be a good principle to work to. The main thing is that you have access to some skilled advice - keep working on it, and keep enjoying it. Best wishes for safe and enjoyable rides

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    John P You're spot on about the speed limits John. The ones I tend to miss are usually on entry to a RAB, where I'm looking left, right and behind me at the same time, so tend to get overloaded. You may be onto something about the exit point too. One of the issues for me is that with these 'easy' 50mph limits, I'd have to slow down to say 45ish to give me headroom to accelerate into. Still trying to work this one out. As you say, the feedback is valuable, although a little encourage is nice too!

  • @seaflyfisher

    @seaflyfisher

    6 жыл бұрын

    If its an open gradual bend where you can maintain fifty in a fifty limit Neil you just go round at constant speed - no need to slow down for the entry just hold it steady at fifty all the way round - just keep it simple, from the entry, hold position until you've got full view and if its clear to do it, your exit is the line to the next entry

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Sounds sensible. Something to try out in my new leather trousers. Still a bit squeaky though.

  • @docgreen4934
    @docgreen49346 жыл бұрын

    Hi Neil - chin up, you’re making massive progress. I’ll be enrolling for IAMs soon but have taken the option of developing AND practising slow speed skills first. So, I’m inhabiting a couple of car parks (public and private). I’ve been following Fast Eddies Motorcycle Fun for this and have found it useful and inspiring. You and the “boss” continue to provide me with the learning experience for road riding and I remain grateful to you. There is no doubt that courses are essential to skills and safety. Old Hepcat Harley left us high n dry with his CB200 - will he get to the bottom of it I ask? Stay safe and again many thanks for all your efforts.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad it's helping your quest Docgreen. The Fast Eddie stuff looks useful for slow riding skills, he has a nice easy style and gives some good demos. Let's hope Lord Hepcat can sort his Honda. I was wondering if it isn't something completely different, maybe not his carb?

  • @docgreen4934

    @docgreen4934

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Neal - Lord Hepcat seems a great guy too. I’ve recognised some of his runs in the Leics/Lincs/Notts border area. The CB200 he’s working brings fond memories as it was my second bike. He seems very thorough and no doubt will get to the bottom of it. I’m looking to get out into the Trough of Bowland for a couple of runs this week and can’t wait to test the new helmet. Motorcycling is a bit like golf - very expensive if you want (need actually) the right equipment. Anyway, hey ho, it’s only money and safety comes first. Very best wishes again Neil and looking forward to the next vid! Alan

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    The Trough is my old stamping ground - the Hark to Bounty, cream teas at Scorton and the Duke of Westmorland. Lovely country

  • @richardsherwin3259
    @richardsherwin32596 жыл бұрын

    As another associate I’m certainly no expert, but I can see leaps and bounds of progress in your clips. Much calmer, controlled and thought out riding now. It looks great 👍

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Richard, you are clearly a man of great discernment ;-) Hope yours is going well too. I still get frustrated with my lack of consistency though.

  • @richardsherwin3259

    @richardsherwin3259

    6 жыл бұрын

    Back2TheBike thanks. Yes it’s just like yourself up and down like a rollercoaster (just like my riding in general). One minute you think ‘now that was spot on’ the next you’re fluffing everything up and think you’re progress is going backwards. I suppose learning isn’t always a straight graph (well I hope so anyway). Just sorting out gopro’s to my helmet and bike now so I should have some footage for critiquing shortly 😬

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'm looking forward to seeing your video if your going to upload it, but even if you don't it's a great way of replaying the ride to see how it went.

  • @robertbates1079
    @robertbates10796 жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed that Neil,nice to see you 'upping the pace'... I believe the highway code states when joining the motorway to match the speed of the traffic on inside lane, but my opinion is to either acceleate if poss or ease off to find your 'slot'.. nothing worse than travelling in my truck with a car on my offside with a vehicle matching my speed and waiting for me to move over... im like your in a 2litre and youve got quarter of a mile so effin floor it lol. Also on left handers while im on a rant i pretty much cut in these days.. cars are much wider than they were 40 years ago and how many times have i seen them straddle the white lines or cut it.... its not all about speed when you are out for a spin..

  • @mikeroberts

    @mikeroberts

    6 жыл бұрын

    Match its speed, either ahead or behind it. Then blend in. Nothing worse than people who try to join into small gaps while STILL accelerating and then have to brake in a hurry.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Must be honest I had that view too Robert. Karl explained how cutting in on a LH bend tends to throw you to the offside as you exit, and tightens the arc for whatever comes next. Apparently the single biggest cause of motorbike accidents. He showed me a scary video too to make the point. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJ52m8isqtS-dKw.html As you're only staying 'out' to extend your view and can always stop in the distance you can see to be clear you can always drop inside again if you need, sacrificing position for safety.

  • @robertbates1079

    @robertbates1079

    6 жыл бұрын

    Back2TheBike maybe i take the apex as in the racing line on narrower roads which means im travelling slower.... never have drifted wider cos i want to keep away from the texting travelling public ... lol.. keep em coming keeps us thinking what we are doing, why we are doing it and how we can do it better..

  • @robertbates1079

    @robertbates1079

    6 жыл бұрын

    The crash video shows he was on the inside going into a left hander.. not the way to go ... im on the outside and come in a little early cos im not on a marked police bike..

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Robert. Great to get a truck driver's perspective too ;-)

  • @mikejames5359
    @mikejames53596 жыл бұрын

    I have just watched the set of rides 1-9. What a wonderful learning resource. Thank you so much for filming these and making them available. I can see the progress you have made very clearly; great stuff. You have made me even more determined to step up for IAM observation rides with my local Group and follow your tyre tracks. Just one question - do I have to sell my new Triumph and get a BMW before I take the Assessment ? ;-)

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Mike, welcome to B2TB and thanks for your encouragement. That's music to my ears and one of the reasons for the channel. I try to post up a representative sample of my riding, good and bad, so it's nice to think you can see progress. I'd strongly recommend you watch SeaFlyFisher's Masterclass Series too. Dale has been mentoring me and I try to ride to his system born of many years of professional riding.

  • @denisrailey777

    @denisrailey777

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lol.

  • @tomtilley3162
    @tomtilley31626 жыл бұрын

    look's like your progessing nicely high 5 to you sir .......wow i actually got my bike out at the weekend went to king's lynn for the stock car's (60 mile each way) i know i was shocked aswell lol came out the stadium to find someone had switched my running light's on (note to myself rewire them in to ignition) and yes i'd checked they was off lol ....flat battery bless the chap in the que of traffic for giving me a helping hand with his jump leads .....

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Tom Tilley wasn't me Tom ;-) Glad you've come out of retirement anyway ...

  • @frankh2023
    @frankh20235 жыл бұрын

    Hi Neil, thoroughly enjoyed your videos and found them very informative and useful. I've just completed my 5th observed ride and was wondering how you're getting on as not seen any further videos following your Observed ride #9.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    5 жыл бұрын

    Frank Hawkes Hi Frank. I'm still working hard at it. I did BikeSafe a few weeks back, and spent a day with my mentor SeaFlyFisher in Wiltshire getting some input. That gave me a lot to work on and I didn't want to overload. I'll probably be back with IAM in the next couple of weeks though. I think the key is focus hard on a few things rather than try and hit everything at once.

  • @Intbel
    @Intbel5 жыл бұрын

    Aaaaargh!!! You put progress before safety! I'm referring to focussing on building up speed and not checking mirror on approach to hazard, thereby missing observer's signal. I have stated my reasons for preferring watching mirrors for signals rather than using radios in episode #8. Gotta agree the cyclist spoled a lovely pice of road, nice bends, and great fun. Could see you were enjoying it, happy an' relaxed. Question to ask: NSL is sixty so why only around the 55 mark? Agreed, learning to trust a relatively new bike, BUT ... at the moment you can be certain you are a long way from reaching the bike's limitations! Being able to hold a tight line on a curve ... my solution to that one (which your observer would *not* recommend, probably) was to keep to a line round a roundabout, gradually increasing speed. That would have been around 2 or 3am, zero traffic and well-lit. Fortunately my problem was always with right-handers, not left, I used to be concerned about going a li'l too wide and hitting a kerbstone. Incidentally, my observer asked me many times to state why I was in a position so it became, if not quite second nature, at least a habit, to continually be aware of exactly my position on the road ask myself would I be better off somewhere else? Worse than a nagging wife, that guy. A good habit, though, which remains with me today, car or bike. Watching your great vids has got me thinking maybe I should do it all over again, or at least, undergo a few observed runs to show where I have, perhaps, become a li'l lax. Anyway, they were enjoyable and that is good enough reason for doing 'em again.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    5 жыл бұрын

    Comprehensive feedback thanks. Part of the aim of the channel, as well as a diary, is to provoke this kind of thinking and pool our knowledge.

  • @HepcatHarley
    @HepcatHarley6 жыл бұрын

    I know Carole's Driver training well. She is a friend of my sister and I believe we did the stickers on that blue lorry. Small World :)

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ha! Maybe a word in her ear ? ;-) Hope you got your CB200 sorted by the way. You left it as a bit of a cliffhanger ...

  • @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse
    @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse6 жыл бұрын

    An interesting ride Neil and good riding shown throughout though I do miss your commentary it makes the video much more enjoyable.On the missed corner had you stayed on track it would have been interesting to see you deal with the cyclist who was taking the same corner but much slower, though I was looking out for him as you got back on track.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    I tried to show a mix of good and not so good, but not easy to condense 90 mins into 30. I was warned by the Chairman that as you get nearer to test ready, the observers become increasingly 'picky', working on your faults. I think the key is not to be discouraged and keep working the issues. I had to include that Left Hander though! Yessss!

  • @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse

    @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes good left hander and the roundabouts are looking cleaner with better exits [apart from Buses cutting in :D]

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Andi Archer the bus made me think hard about that bit when you're supposed to blaze a trail through the RAB. If it's clear, that is ;-)

  • @martinwilkinson2344
    @martinwilkinson23445 жыл бұрын

    I think 2 of the 3 "fail" points are only really valid if you were holding up someone behind you. If I was told I was leaving (slightly) too large a stopping distance and there was no-one behind me who was being inconvenienced, I would choose some choice words! Similarly with the rural making progress thing; so long as you're not frustrating anyone behind you, there are plenty of potential hazards on a country road that can catch you out and warrant a bit of caution. Also, what about enjoying the ride? If those were the worst things you did, I would say happy days. As always, it's easy to sit here and pontificate when I wasn't there!

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    5 жыл бұрын

    You're speaking my language Martin. I'm generally never in a hurry so fully agree. However, it's been impressed on me by an professional rider that 'advanced' means having to balance progress v riding safely, so we must be able to demonstrate we can 'keep up' and hustle a little as required.

  • @gordon4221
    @gordon42216 жыл бұрын

    Two of the three fail issues maybe a little harsh and a bit subjective in my view i.e. making progress in a rural setting and 3 secs rather than 2 secs behind vehicle in front. Breaking a speed limit is always going to be a slam dunk fail and fair enough ( the examiner even tells you this at the pre test briefing - the unforgivables !). The others may result in a fail as an accumulation of a number of other minor faults. I do get where your observer was coming from as over the entire ride ( which you did not post ) I suspect the ride may have come across as overly cautious taking everything into consideration. This is the way you ride and like to ride so it is a tricky one going forward.If the test were a written one you would get a first as you have all the knowledge and understanding. The application is the bit you have to overcome. Never the less a lot of good stuff in there so don't become disheartened but continue to reflect , practice and improve. Your right turn at the lorry park which transports motorcycles was a bit of a shocker and swan necked so a bit more planning ahead with that one. I still think you could use more of your lane - nearside and off side. I personally rarely if ever use the other lane to extend the view ( like going through the tunnel). Overtakes are the only time I tend to cross the white line or in the planning of an overtake but this is a personal thing - I think ! I agree with your observer you were in the white van mans blind spot and you should be looking at him looking at you in his off side mirror. The learner lorry driver was obviously learning and so mucked things up a little for you. Personally I would have been more left than you but like you hung back just to let him get his act together. I know who would have come off worse in a coming together and surely you don't need to be making that much progress on a RAB in the grand scheme of things. Safety trumps everything else. Good to see some town work finally. It would have been good to see some footage from the screen camera during this phase to check your head movements eg blind spot checks( life savers), mirror checking systems going through variable speed limits etc etc. Good to see your observer uses comms.Personally I am 100% for this but would adopt a one way system during observed rides and tests - where your observer gives brief directions only ( e.g. next left; 3rd exit at the RAB, follow the sign for A9 North Inverness) and you do not get into distracting conversations which can be had at the post ride briefing but means you don't use up too much mental energy and concentration checking for overseer turn signals which anyone can miss being completely honest and it does / can scramble ones mind. Enjoyed the video once again. All the best.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Gordon Fletcher Hi Gordon, I think it was an accumulation of factors that made me look tentative. Clearly missing the speed limit would have blown it anyway, but I always treat feedback as a gift. It's what I asked for, and Karl is an exceptionally gifted individual who works to the highest standards. I suppose I'd rather an observer tell me now than the examiner! I was warned that as you near the test the observers will pick you up on these kind of issues, so I need to develop a thick skin. As ever, I really appreciate your insights as one who has run the race ;-)

  • @xt225
    @xt2255 жыл бұрын

    I agree those comments seem harsh. Are you having a challenging time with the IAM. With all the observed rides you've had, plus the additional training with the Fisher etc, you ought to be a nailed on first (not just a pass) with IAM. I'd put money on it (not a lot admittedly). Get it done before the winter Neil.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    5 жыл бұрын

    I suspect the IAM folk make you 'train hard' so the test doesn't surprise you. Not sure about a 1st, or a 2nd ;-) Maybe a nice 3rd would do me ...

  • @xt225

    @xt225

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Back2TheBike It's a first or a pass. I'm confident you would get a first. What does sea fly fisher think?

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    5 жыл бұрын

    He's inscrutable, but secretly admires my hi-vis vest. He's also spending a lot of time at the moment in the woods in the company of deer, foxes and badgers. Think he might be turning into Ray Mears.

  • @mikeroberts
    @mikeroberts6 жыл бұрын

    So much I could write about use of radios and demoing, but not for here. :( Feedback/questions for you: Where did he suggest you should sit for the white van? Looked to me like you'd left plenty of space. When you were on the RAB to join the motorway and there was the learner lorry driver, you could have got into position/lane to leave the RAB much earlier, thereby negating it looking like he drove across you. On the motorway, you seemed to stay in lane 2 for a long time, but as it was only a snippet it is always very debatable about returning to lane 1 ... a lot depends on what is behind you too. Again, slow speed riding, tight turns and very clunky gear changes at slow speed ... but you know that. Keep up the good work.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Mike. The issue with the white van as I understand it wasn't the space, but the fact he couldn't see me in his mirrors, so Karl suggested I position to the right. On the RAB, not sure I could have positioned earlier? I generally feel the safest place is where I was as it gives a better view of both lanes and allows me to exit in a more dominant position. The lorry did a 180 on the outside lane which I wasn't expecting, but I felt I had the space and time to manage it. I guess with learners we have to expect the unexpected! What is your thinking? On the motorway, I wasn't holding anything up behind me, and knew I'd overtake the traffic in Lane 1, so judged it best to stay out rather than weave in and out again.

  • @mikeroberts

    @mikeroberts

    6 жыл бұрын

    Watch the learner lorry again. At about 4:10 he is in the left lane of the RAB and indicating left to take the same exit as you were looking for (though he didn't!). You seem very late. In fact you almost exit from the inner lane of the RAB. I'd have been looking to ease over to the left as soon as I passed the previous entrance where the other lorry was joining. Watch what your observer does in your std mirrors, he's much more left than you. Imagine there's a quick BMW M3 behind planning to take your exit!

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Interesting one this, Mike! Had the lorry not been there I'd definitely have moved over a little earlier, but would have kept well away from that large white HGV looking to enter, so probably half-way between that junction and my exit. The reason I held back, left it very late, was the learner didnt seem to know where he was going, so I wanted a buffer between him and me. I just checked the Highway Code and it says 'when taking an exit to the right' we are to 'signal right and approach in the RH lane' then 'keep to the right of the RAB until you need to change lanes' which is what I did. I guess the debating point is 'until you need to change lanes'.

  • @darrenelbrow5144

    @darrenelbrow5144

    6 жыл бұрын

    I think the clunky gear changes at low speed are more to do with the bike than Neil’s use of the gears. My Versys is very clunky at low speed.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Darren, somebody mentioned somewhere a technique to counter this (through clever use of the clutch) but I've forgotten where I saw it. Trust you are well and enjoying the sunshine :-)

  • @kevinmobile
    @kevinmobile6 жыл бұрын

    I liked this video with presumably remembered instructor comments added in later. I suppose we are so used to sound these days but it made a good training video IMHO. I couldn't remember the speed you and the white van were going but given that the thinking & stopping distances are: 30 mph: ( 9m + 14m = 23m[75ft]) 40 mph: (12m + 24m = 36m[118ft]) 50 mph: ( 15m + 38m = 53m[175ft]) so here the thinking distance alone at this speed is around 50ft and therefore this gap seemed reasonable to me. Incidentally, in 3 seconds at 50 mph you travel a whopping 220 ft. It's worth adding that the Highway Code suggests greater (though unspecified) distances to those shown above for a motorcycle. Also here in Olney (close to the ride in your part of the world), we have regular and very large farm vehicles associated with harvesting at the moment - that alone on country lanes should be ready to reduce speed below the 'progress level' I believe. Your story of meeting a dustbin in the middle of the road reminded me of an amusing 'training' video I saw recently where a followed van was periodically chucking out empty cardboard boxes to see how the following motorcyclist emergency manoeuvred around it. Anyhow, I wont mention that again in case it gives the IAM ideas.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    I now use Dale's rule of thumb, a yard per mph of speed which really simplifies it for me Kevin. I tend to hang back naturally as I'm never in a hurry, and from the risk management perspective would rather bide my time until a clear overtake opportunity arises. However, if I've understood it correctly the IAM doctrine is to make progress, so you have to be seen to pushing. Maybe one of our IAM Nationals could clarify this?

  • @kevinmobile

    @kevinmobile

    6 жыл бұрын

    A yd per mph is certainly an easy one to remember (perhaps easier to visualise than a calculated timed gap too) but it is a good approximation only for 30-50 mph (see my post above). Of course while human reaction times remain constant (so increasing thinking distances follow a linear 45 deg line on the graph), breaking distances approximate to a square law and Dale's simple rule breaks down at say NSL 60/70 mph speeds. At 70 mph for example you should leave a total of well over 100 yds according to even car Highway Code motorist figures and they have the luxury of 4 contact patches - always capable of out-breaking us mere mortals... Yup, perhaps an IAM instructor/examiner might confirm this.

  • @mikeroberts

    @mikeroberts

    6 жыл бұрын

    I must admit I raised an eyebrow when the caption came up in the video. 2 seconds vs 3. Pass or fail? Pushing? I don't think so. People get hung up on the 'progress' thing. Yes, I'd expect you stay alert and still move closer to see if an overtake is on, and if not drop back again. If it's doing 55/60 and you are keeping a safe distance away I don't see an issue. Now if we are coming up to a right hand bend, then we can close up a little as there may be opportunity to overtake as he 'slowly' accelerates away from the corner. If not drop back again. The key thing is not to drop into Bimble Mode and become one of the sheep, slavishly following the car in front continually matching its speed. A subtle but important difference. NEVER feel pressured in to going faster/closer than you are comfortable with. Your pace/progress/speed from A to B comes as a result of riding to The System and not NOT as your main target.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's a useful summary Mike. I've been watching your demo ride and you display that rhythm there. As I understand it there were two causes for the 'fail': one being the speed limit (missed a 40 sign on a RAB, thought it was 50); the other an accumulation of bits and pieces, one of which was the 2/3 sec thing, which, taken together, might sway an examiner looking for 'advanced' riding.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Kevin Viney Full disclosure here Kevin: I'm the man who got 14% in his pure maths A Level. C in my O level. I can tell you how to build a nuclear submarine but my maths transistors are all blown ;-)

  • @Grahamvfr
    @Grahamvfr6 жыл бұрын

    Hi again, riding looking really confident now. Can I make a comment about the IAM 's live of straightlining roundabout, I understand its about keeping bike upright were its safest ( although ironically most of ride bikes because of the lean factor and roundabouts are a good way to practice leaning bike over) but often I see you guys moving into lanes marked for different direction to where your heading. Remember your position is a signal much like your indicators, and at 3.23 you were briefly in the right turn lane, suggesting to traffic you were going right, only momenterally granted but never the less there. The traffic coming onto the roundabout from the direction your exiting could slow thinking you were coming round, also the vehicle to your left may enter the roundabout too early thinking you were moving away from him. Just a thought, safe riding.

  • @mikeroberts

    @mikeroberts

    6 жыл бұрын

    IAM position is that straight-lining is OK as long as it is legal and doesn't cause confusion. We didn't see the approach to the RAB to see if the lanes are designated by signs (legal) but the line taken could certainly cause confusion. If you watch the left standard mirror, the Observer doesn't do it.

  • @seaflyfisher

    @seaflyfisher

    6 жыл бұрын

    I only straight line through roundabouts where there are no designated marked lanes which obviously you should stick to - I'm not sure about them being a good place to practice cornering - they're a great place to find tyre deposits, loose surface debris and diesel from big wagons grinding their way round them especially if its damp.

  • @Grahamvfr

    @Grahamvfr

    6 жыл бұрын

    Mike Roberts point taken mike. Thanks

  • @Grahamvfr

    @Grahamvfr

    6 жыл бұрын

    seaflyfisher, yea sorry practice was perhaps wrong word, but it's just the notion that staying upright is safer, which it is obviously, makes me wonder if anyone buys a boat, but stays out of the water in case it sinks. Neil has on many occasions mentioned his poor line around various corners, which I'm sure has a lot to do with lack of confidence/experience in the motorcycles cornering cabability, so why not use every opportunity within reason to, lean the thin over. Thank you for your reply.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Interesting debate chaps. Let's apply the IAM 'SLAP' test: My over-riding principle here is trying to get through the RAB as quickly and as safely as possible because they aren't nice places for motorcycles. There was no immediate following traffic to 'confuse' except my observer, so it was 'safe'. I was guided initially by the 'ahead' arrow, but then realised as I exited that I was in the wrong lane, so cut across it. It was a dashed line, so perfectly 'legal'. It 'achieved' the effect of getting me through the RAB more quickly on a tighter line. I'd suggest it fell down on the 'perception' test though, it looked sloppy, but actually because of the pace of the RT there was no-one to witness it except the observer, as it would have been irrelevant to the car entering from the left. Would I do it again on that RAB? No. I'll apply Dale's rule for RAB's with marked lanes. Could I be certain of doing it right on future RAB's? Possibly, but would have a better chance with a slower entry, but, having 'read' the RAB before entry I judged it was right decision to zap through it. As always now, I subordinate everything to Dale's guidance, so I've just learned a new tweak to the 'slow in / fast out' rule for RAB's. I was already aware that you don't bank over too excessively on RAB's for the reason Dale mentions. You learn something new every day ;-)

  • @maz2496
    @maz24966 жыл бұрын

    Hi, what program do you use to edit your drift videos? Many thanks

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Mario, I use Powerdirector 15. It's very intuitive, doesn't crash and there are lots of 'how to' videos on YT from the various experts (like PowerDirector University). Like everything, there's a learning curve but the basics are fairly straightforward.

  • @maz2496

    @maz2496

    6 жыл бұрын

    Back2TheBike does this programme cost money to get? Thanks in advance

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Yes, but worth it IMHO. You can buy the latest version here amzn.to/2KNjwLo or a slightly older version here (has all you need to be honest) amzn.to/2MF1LzL

  • @maz2496

    @maz2496

    6 жыл бұрын

    Back2TheBike thank you very much , very helpful of you, and great Chanel you made!!!

  • @seaflyfisher

    @seaflyfisher

    6 жыл бұрын

    With the greatest of respect but Power Director 15 does have a huge flaw in that it doesn't handle yellow well - it reproduces the colour perfectly which, as you can see is a huge drawback with pretty dire consequences :D

  • @Eastsussexbiker
    @Eastsussexbiker5 жыл бұрын

    Defo think you are improving on this run more confident.

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for that Grant. I tried to put a bit more zing in it this time!

  • @kevinb2773
    @kevinb27736 жыл бұрын

    Decent ride I thought Neil. I always felt nervous with the observer following and maybe a bit of that creeps in from time to time? On the three fails, ok speeding is valid, but the other two are subjective. I didn't fall out with the IAM, but neither did I agree with everything they said. It is a good system but sometimes a little over prescriptive (imho) and not allowing enough scope for reacting to the situation on the day. Hugging the kerb over a brow was one I struggled with: There could be pedestrians or road imperfections lurking there. My preference was to be just to the nearside of the lane, somewhere around the LH wheel track. Keep at it - it's coming!!!

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    Kevin B interesting thoughts Kevin. Seems like there are absolutes and variables, and as you say the speed would do it. I definitely need to improve on my planning out of 60s and into 30s, and picking up limit signs into RABs. It's all learning. I agree with you on going over a crest, as you say you don't know for example whether they are walkers or cyclists to the near side. I'm following the 11th Commandment 'Thou shalt bash on' .

  • @TheDervMan
    @TheDervMan6 жыл бұрын

    Interesting stuff. How can you teach yourself to not cut in too early on the bends? I know it’s something I’m guilty of but not sure the best method or curing that habit......Also seems crazy failing you because there was too much of a gap 🤔

  • @Back2TheBike

    @Back2TheBike

    6 жыл бұрын

    I think the whole ethos of IAM is balancing safety with progress, so you've got to 'keep up' as it were, not lag behind. Not cutting in? Answers on a postcard! I know it in my head, and can draw a picture, but actually doing it ... For me, I think it's having the bottle to maintain drive through the corner (so the bike doesn't slow and fall in) as well as aiming for some some specific 'micro targets' on that curve. It's coming, slowly.

  • @mikeroberts

    @mikeroberts

    6 жыл бұрын

    The secret for not turning in too early on right hand bends is all in the Information phase of IPSGA. You can't decide on your position unless you have taken in (TUG) suitable information. See what I'm doing here? Working backwards. So as you approach the corner you have used the Information seen to decide on the appropriate position nice and early. You've got down to the appropriate speed and you've selected a gear that will drive you through the corner. Now back to the Information (although you are watching all the time!). Watch the limit point. Hold that nearside position until TWO things happen. 1. The limit point starts to accelerate away from you. 2. You can clearly see what is in both lanes around the corner. If the oncoming lane is clear you can start to peel away from the nearside. If the lane is occupied, you may want to hold your nearside position for longer. With practise it becomes easier BUT consciously waiting until that view ahead opens up is key.

  • @TheDervMan

    @TheDervMan

    6 жыл бұрын

    Back2TheBike I’m ok with ‘positive throttle’ but it’s trying to override my survival instinct! I have found going in much slower means I find it easier to stop cutting in too soon. It seems we simply need practice. I’m definitely going to sign up for the skills for life but not entirely sure about taking the test, especially seeing things like this about being too far back.... anyway thanks for taking the time to share the videos, they are super helpful. 👍🏻

  • @markc1352

    @markc1352

    6 жыл бұрын

    Turning in too early .... Try using the words weight & wait. “Weight” - put some weight through the outside foot peg (this helps you to stop turning in) and “Wait” - wait for the view to open up (see both sides of the road ahead / next hazard). When the wait if over, remove the weight - try it - it works.

  • @TheDervMan

    @TheDervMan

    6 жыл бұрын

    Mark C Oh sounds interesting. I’ll give it a try, thanks for the suggestion. 👍🏻

  • @Eastsussexbiker
    @Eastsussexbiker5 жыл бұрын

    I think it’s better to follow an observer learn more quicker imho

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