Games : Forza Horizon 5 - 0:20 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5 Hogwarts Legacy - 1:25 - gvo.deals/TG3HogwartsLegacy Spider-Man - 2:24 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesSpiderManPC God of War - 3:23 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesGoWPC CYBERPUNK 2077 - 4:24 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077 The Last of Us Part I - 5:21 PUBG - 6:16 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesPUBG Microsoft Flight Simulator - 7:14 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesMFS20 Hitman 3 - 8:16 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesHitman3 The Witcher 3 - 9:03 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesWitcher System: Windows 11 Intel i7 860 Stock - bit.ly/3xmK9zf ASRock H55 Pro 16Gb RAM DDR3 1600Mhz - bit.ly/3t4l9KN Core i7-13700K - bit.ly/3zbA3VA ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming - bit.ly/3scEZpc CPU Cooler - be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 - bit.ly/35G5atV GeForce RTX 4090 24GB - bit.ly/3CSaMCj G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz SSD - 2xSAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB - bit.ly/2NmWeQe Power Supply CORSAIR RM850i 850W - bit.ly/3i2VoGI

The fact that i7-860 can even launch all these games is just awesome.

@williamregal8503

Жыл бұрын

yea but that frametime is vomit lol

@shiraazkarodia

Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised cyberpunk2077 was more stable than hogwarts legacy... gotta admit. Cyberpunk2077 has come a long way from launch day.

@dex8000

Жыл бұрын

No, look up the low fps , very inconsistent... Acceptable is newest i3 or i5 11x--13x *. not sure for all games

@wingman-1977

Жыл бұрын

@@shiraazkarodiaI’m more surprised that it didn’t stutter at all unlike GOW (which was surprising).

@mncrft3386

Жыл бұрын

​@@dex8000 10th gen is perfectly fine

Ngl, was kinda expecting the 860 to do worse, around 20fps in every game kinda performance. Honestly quite impressive it can still somewhat hold up in a few new games.

@demon5965

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if you compare it to how a gpu from 2009 would perform in modern games its really impressive.

The i7 860 is now capable of this performance is also very surprising

The CPU evolution is nothing close to being impressive in the last decade if you compare it with the GPU segment, in fact it's underwhelming. The difference in the speed between a 860 (from 2009) and 13700K is like 200 to 300% at most while the difference between a GTX 285 (from 2009) and a 4090 is like 5000%...

@OneFreeMan17

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully he does that test next

@marcelosoares7148

Жыл бұрын

The core count difference in GPUs is staggering, in CPUs not that much considering we still have 4/8 CPUs around but the efficiency gain is still crazy.

@99Daxc

Жыл бұрын

Blame AMD for being absent for a 5 year period

@christophermullins7163

Жыл бұрын

This is the exact comment I made. You go from what.. 32nm to 7nm and only get 3x is not that impressive as far as a technical feat. Just a limitation of modern CPU architecture and that all mighty multi threaded usage of games.

@Apersonfarfaraway

Жыл бұрын

Games are just more GPU bound.

It feels like the 4090 is singing Cupid to the first gen of i7😂

@sarimsheikh140

2 ай бұрын

4090 cant be compatible with i7 860 , 4090 is advance GPU it does bottleneck with i7 860

I was expecting about 2.5x but in some cases it gets up to 3.5x because new games can use more cores. What a brilliant display of how CPUs have gotten 3 while GPUs are more like 10x

I've seen more of your videos. Just a suggestion: you could spend a little bit more time on the settings screens. Even 1-2 seconds would help, for the watcher to be able to pause the video at the right moment or to take a quick look at the settings. This wouldn't make your videos substantially longer and would be more useful than to see an extra second of gameplay footage.

I get that the CPU limits which RAM you can use... But it seems to me that the RAM is also playing a big role on the low fps. 16 vs 32 GB 1600 vs 6000 MHz. To make things worse, the 16 GB are saturated in some games. Regardless, love these videos. 👍🏽👍🏽

@stupid.

Жыл бұрын

The i7 860 can be overclocked on basically any board to about 4.6GHz which would add a lot of extra performance as well

Nice video, now we need FX-8350 vs Ryzen 7800X3D

@fpshunter

Жыл бұрын

FX forever))

@kevinyoliveira68

Жыл бұрын

@@fpshunter FX is trash

@fpshunter

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinyoliveira68 it was good cpu for the self time, but it’s foolish to compare to the new cpus

@kevinyoliveira68

Жыл бұрын

@@fpshunter Never was good CPU bro Intel killed FX Series

@fpshunter

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinyoliveira68 i agree with you, but after that amd makes a good price on it and it was nice choice for lowprice configurations that time. At least in my country

i remember rocking an i5 760 @3.4Ghz paired with HD5870 back then.😁 good times.

@ghost_1992

Жыл бұрын

I had i5 750 + GTX 560 Ti and the key point is no one didn't use Lynnfield processor family without BCLK overclocking that time. Base cloaks as far as I remember was 2666 Mhz with boost up to 3200 Mhz for 1 core, but it worked pretty fine at 4000 Mhz for all cores at 1.4v on my Asus P7P55D Pro MoBo. Performance boost was insane 33% then :D A true miracle nowadays =)

@m8x425

Жыл бұрын

I had an overclocked i7-920 at 4.1GHz with a 5870. The 5870 made me a Radeon fan

@iikatinggangsengii2471

Жыл бұрын

yeah oc kind of must back then nothing great ootb basically

I figured the 13700k would've gotten a way higher framerate in a few of these games. Quite surprising.

I had the i7 870. It started acting weird and when i took the fan off it had a crack in it. Had it up until last year and i still used it hooked up to my tv and played stuff like fifa and Forza horizon 3 on it.

That 860 is fighting for its life, tough little CPU.

There are some things that interest me a lot from looking at these stats. Firstly, the fact that the CPU even launches the games that I thought would have some requirements regarding different HW acceleration standards that have been introduced over the years. Second, the behavior that in most games the GPU limits its clock speeds automatically because, well its "awareness" to match the GPU clock speeds with what the CPU is able to keep up with. Third, I saw more than a couple of times that the 0.01% fps actually being higher on the 860. Is this part of the debate of the 12- and 13 series CPUs having a scheduler moved off die to save space but ultimately leaving the CPUs with something that feels more sluggish? Having to wait for a short period of time for the scheduler to respond and tell CPU (in lay mans terms) "where to start" or expect to start with a certain type of instructions. I've seen a couple of videos discussion about these generations of Intel CPUs just "feeling sluggish" around normal Windows operation but when it ultimately gets going it is still as fast as the benchmarks show. Interestingly, one video I saw about this they said that this i7 860 (Lynnfield) would've basically have had the same issue since it wasn't until Sandy Bridge (2600K etc) that Intel moved that scheduler on-die anyway and that is why that CPU family has a legendary legacy because it was so snappy when it was released, and can still be to this day compared to Lynnfield and before.

I imagine IPC uplift is the main difference maker but at the same time that pci-e gen2 is 100% gonna kneecap any modern gpu to the same fps limit

@kleingib213

Жыл бұрын

generational differences are overstated, even high end GPUs dont make much use of the high bandwidth that is offered on pcie, the performance loss is about 7% when using a 4090 on pcie 2.0 so the burden of performance is all on the CPU in this case (in other words, say even if the i7-860 supports pcie 4.0, this benchmark would yield pretty much the same results)

how you run last of us that suport avx instrustion and also warzone 2

Got an i7-13700K paired with a 1080 Ti. Basically made the GPU feel like a brand new card.

@ComboDamageTV

Жыл бұрын

@Gryan Credreri yet here we are, living in a world where the newest processors don't bottleneck it either. 😆

@ComboDamageTV

Жыл бұрын

@Gryan Credreri you figured it out. Congrats!

Not so realistic because the upgrade from ddr4 1600mhz to a ddr5 6000mhz itself would change the scenario...plus the motherboard itself could be another factor of interference...but still interesting to see

I still use this cpu, with 32 gigs of ram. Stuff runs a bit better with more ram, as i have no stutter issues and games run between 30-60 fps on average. Also interesting that you got ray tracing to work on the 860 with spider man as i thought you needed avx instructions for it to work... Mine crashes every time i enable it

@LeafGreenHDD

Жыл бұрын

i also find suspicious that the temperature on the 860 is so high with that good cooler

@D-Mny

Жыл бұрын

Which motherboard / chipset ? Intel website site says it’s only good for 16GB max

@bassgoul

Жыл бұрын

@@D-Mny Asrock P55 pro. The only reason motherboards say 16gb max is because ddr3 modules were 4gb max at the time, and this board has 4 slots. 32gb works quite well in this machine, there is still life to go for what i do

860 was not the firts i7, 920 was the first. Impressive comparison and in fact CPU progress slowed down so drastically, just imagine this i7 vs pentium II or what from 1996. I bet PII could not even launch actual win vista/7 from 2009. Btw, my home PC (not for gaming) works on 10 year old i5 and I'm not even going to change it. In 2013 10y old CPU(platform) was a piece of junk.

I still game on an i7-860 and a 970ti, it runs the stuff I want well enough and I have a PS4 for anything else.

the i7 860 is good if that's what you got and you can't upgrade , CPU seems to hold up way longer than GPU , anything you scavange from a work station desktop from 5 to 10 years ago seems to be sufficient to run modern titles provided they are paired with decent GPU

@iku7630

Жыл бұрын

With current cpu pricing, why would you bother though? It costs like 200 euro to get a somewhat modern cpu,ram and motherboard (like 5600x and a520m). So no need to suffer with this outdated cpu 😅

@saddemgargouri

Жыл бұрын

@@iku7630 for some people 200 euroes can make a difference , you can also partition your spending by spending big on a GPU and PSU , then add in the rest later 200 euroes is around 30 % of my salary as a medical resident in Tunisia

Make 4k tests also. Edit: sorry no need 4k for 1gen. Two years ago i have i7 2600K @4ghz with 3700 and when i was compering with 8gan in 4k there where barely diffremce.

@wingman-1977

Жыл бұрын

4K isn’t for CPU benchmarking.

@fpshunter

Жыл бұрын

When ur gpu can’t show ultra performance in 4K or other resolution of ur display, u can’t see a big difference between old and new cpu

@fpshunter

Жыл бұрын

@@wingman-1977 I think he means real difference between systems with old and new cpus, because it can show ur profit of upgrade cpu only

@kauczuk4006

Жыл бұрын

@@wingman-1977 Who play games insted of benchamrking? i play in 4k so this kind of test are valid for me not a fhd test.

@wingman-1977

Жыл бұрын

@@kauczuk4006 4K benchmarks for for testing GPU’s not CPU’s.

So it's the 1st i7 vs last i7?

lol i 7 13700 K has 32 gb ram and i7 860 only 16 gb It's not fair

Had mine for 11 years plus. First game it won't run is helldivers 2024

30 frames with a 4090 is impressive.

@Blaczek297

Жыл бұрын

CPU bottleneck so GPU don't need to do anything actually and chills at 30 degrees

TG never disappoints. I think TG, The most eager awaited video you will make will be about the RTX 4060 series.

Wish you would've used a more "mainstream" graphics card, like an rtx 3080 or something similar. Hardly anyone's buying the 4090, but then I guess a lot of these games would be unplayable with the 860 and a 3080 🙄. Also, faster RAM with the 860 would've been nice to see, but maybe you were going for extreme lows and extreme highs with your i7 system comparisons?

Lesson learnt : old i7's never lie

I love the thing that you need to change processor only once in a decade

For 13 years *only* about 3.5 times faster

Small difference

@circle679-m3i

Жыл бұрын

So 26 fps? Huh

@wingman-1977

Жыл бұрын

👓👓👓👓👓

@Jakiyyyyy

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣 26 vs 200

@AntiGrieferGames

Жыл бұрын

Yall dont get the joke?

@Birdman._.

Жыл бұрын

​​@@AntiGrieferGamesbad sarcasm😅

The old i7 is very stable, fps count does not drop bellow 25 and that for me would be great. I can't distinguish personally between 40 and 120 fps.

Please this test vs İ5 2500k Legend 😍

what's amazing is look at Hogwarts. 45% usage!! that means you could slap a strong cpu on here and it would get more fps. that is wild that a 13900k cant push all the head room a 4090 had at a lower res in all scenarios. you could easily 1080p a 4090 for 10 years, or more.

Tbh surprised how well it runs on such an old cpu. It's same performance lvl as old gen consoles.

It's a little unrealistic but that was not the point. I parked my Ryzen for much needed upgrades and I have an I7 860 whose motherboard popped to caps. Today I ordered my motherboard. It's just a work PC for web dev etc. With mild gaming in mind as I sometimes work 14-15h a day. She's going to run with an RX470. Nothing to big. This is actually a realistic combo. I ran my Ryzen 5 2600 with an GTX1070ti and I had about no bottleneck ( there will always be a little bottleneck but mine had like 2% bottleneck ) I would love to see this on higher res as well so you are more GPU bound.. I am not expecting much but it would be interesting I play games like Diablo and torchlight and do some game dev when I find the time.

The point is that Both run the games

Someone out there is rocking this setup because they spent too much money on the 4090

@TullmoreDew

4 ай бұрын

i have i7 860 with rx 560

At 1:43. 2023 AAA gaming in a nutshell, dinosaur i7 860, 70% CPU usage.

I don't know if you have all the cpu but would it be possible if you have time to make the following video ? 11600k vs 12600k vs 13600k ?

1:28 What is wrong with Hogwart Legacy?

@georgep8270

Жыл бұрын

probably not enough ram is maxed at 2x8 so not making all frames (cpu not maxed and is 4 cores )to keep up with ram

@cartman20000

Жыл бұрын

The game has pretty bad optimizations on the pc, it's cpu bound even on the newest cpu's. I was getting a bit of a stutter in certain areas of the game when I was playing it. As for games released this year the dead space remake game runs a hell of a lot better than hogwarts legacy does.

I think maybe pairing with an AMD GPU might be somewhat beneficial because of the lighter driver overhead

The trick here is to look at the 1% and .1% lows, not the average framerate. Also, this benchmarks is not showing games that need AVX to run. If you're looking to build a budget PC with an old i7, then go with a 2nd Gen i7 at the minimum because these support AVX instructions.

There's still room left in the old i7 860, had mine clocked to 4.2 ghz (bclk oc) with 2400mhz ddr3 cl10. Not that 30% improvement would be much better in todays games anyway. But I did finish TW3 on 1080p ultra with 980ti constantly above 60fps.

HOW ABOUT IN 1440P AND 2160P ?

Meanwhile you've got people in PC build a group singing with the CPU literally doesn't matter at all. You only looking at a 350% increase across the most titles in just thirteen years. That's a 26% increase average over the course of each year. 😂

i7-875K running on 4.05GHz is a beast with gtx 980 4gb

Even i7 13700k can't handle rtx 4090 🗿

@ExistentialEmpire

Жыл бұрын

this is testing at 1080,at 1440p/4k its more than enough

Why puting all gpu intensive settings to ultra? You are not comparing the CPU here... You are just showing that the 4090 can be limited by 15 years old cpu. There is a reason all cpu comparison are done in 720p low graphics... The 13700k is half idle on all those bechmarks and cant show how many frame it could really get out. Put everything on low except cpu intensive settings like draw distance... And you will see that the divide is waaaaay more than x3,5

Not quite correct testing. Many games lack not the old i7, but RAM, which in the assembly with the old i7 is only 12 GB (plus the low speed of the memory plays a role)

100% CPU usage haha I paid for the whole speedometer so I'm gonna use the whole speedometer.

I7 860 is equivalent of gracemond E cores of 12th 13th gen intel

Not that I think it matter but you would be heavily held back by the pcie 2.0 speeds in addition to the CPU.

strange the i7 860 is running 60 degrees in gaming with CPU Cooler - be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 ??

I mainly see decline that children do not see..

ta errado essa parada, ele nao fica no turbo booster quando esta em 100%, nao suporta memoria de 8gb apenas 4gb por slot, no meu pc, o jogo hogwarts legacy roda tranquilo em 30fps

@Itslkylie

Ай бұрын

Tá tudo no ultra e full hd, deve ser por conta disso.

@flavinho_d0_pneu165

Ай бұрын

@@Itslkylie sim provalvelmente, mas tenho esse processador i7 860 a frequencia turbo so funciona quando o uso é baixo, agora de 70 para cima fica pouca coisa acima do base, mas ele pode ter feito overclock, mas o que nao faz sentido é ter 2 memoria de 8gb se so suporta 4g por slot, para ter 16gb precisa ser 4 memorias de 4gb

70 fps on Hogwarts Legacy with a 4090?

My i7 860 with 9400gt, next gtx560, next gtx760, and gtx 1070.

@m8x425

Жыл бұрын

why a 9400gt? Sorry but that card was junk. I had one and wished I had gone with the 9500gt instead.

4090 GPU: 170-190 watts and 40-41 celsius degree. Wow.

Witcher 3 is BRUTAL on that old CPU.

If it wasn't for AMD's Ryzen AM4 then 13600k would be just 30% faster.

@kevinyoliveira68

Жыл бұрын

True

Whats App For Test Benchmark ?

9900K vs 7800X3D in 4K

Please try to use i-7 970X@4400 and 2133 mhz Ram with 6 slots filled against 13700K. It will be funny comparison.

R7 7600 VS I7 13700K❤😊

Good work Intel

one question, why in all the videos the rtx 4090 works with the gpu percentage between 40 and 60%? why doesn't it get to 99?

@INCREDIBLERTXGAMER

Жыл бұрын

There are many reason for this video The i7 860 is not capable and for newer the game doesn't need any higher % for fps and another sometimes your GPU sits on 50 to 60% cuz of single channel ram

@diogoriskalla5774

Жыл бұрын

The guy is testing on full HD to make sure the videocard ain't the bottleneck, leaving the limitation to what the processor can produce, and compare one processor to another, even tho the i7 13700k is a beast, asking him to be on pair with the 4090 at full HD is way too much (while the games can't also use all his cores), to simplify, the processors are holding the 4090 back, because the guy produced the conditions for it to happen, you should be playing at 4k ultra with the 4090.

@mrgiman6919

Жыл бұрын

I asked this question because I have an i9 10850k k and an rtx 4070 and in all games the gpu percentage reaches a maximum of 60%

Нужно было разогнать старичка!)

One quarter to one third the watt, thus as much performance. CPU bound.

with 18 fps graphic look sharper. i should limit fps to 24 fps cinema quality 😁

i7 13700K here! 👋

wtf. 1080p ultra with rt, 4090 got like 60fps only.

The difference in wattage on the 4090 is ridiculous 😂 that's a hell of a bottleneck

I wonder if 1440p will improve the fps.

@InAllHeavy

Жыл бұрын

The fps wont change between 1080p and 1440p resolutions on the i7 860

@cyphaborg6598

Жыл бұрын

Maybe more steady but definitely not higher.

Before i3 10th gen i5 8th gen.....genrations dint really matter i7 was designed specially and look at i3's before 10th gen they suk

8gb ram vs 16gb...😢😢😢😢

@gnrtx-36969

Жыл бұрын

Why crying

@AntiGrieferGames

Жыл бұрын

​​@@gnrtx-36969 i want to know too why he using emojis.

@amy-295

Жыл бұрын

Its 16 vs 32 bro what are you smoking

@fpshunter

Жыл бұрын

2x8 = 16, if it was enough for all this games, that means no difference between 8gb and 16gb modules in sets 2x8=16 and 2x16=32

@m8x425

Жыл бұрын

The i7-860 system has 16GB of RAM.... check the specs, it says 2x8GB. The reason is 1st Gen 1156 systems supposedly only support 16GB of RAM. However, I've had a ton of lga1366 systems and they actually support more than the 24GB of RAM that's stated by Intel. I got my system with a P6T Deluxe and a Xeon x5690 to run with 32GB of RAM.

Nice fact that thses games run in an old cpu gen

FFS 13gen i7 and 4090 and hogwarts still drops under 60

Hogwarts is a beastly game, it made both powerful parts choke!

not bad for a 13 year old CPU

why no 13900k? :D

La 4090 está a 30° de temperatura con el i7 de primera generación JAJAJAJA

13 years from now?..... what do yall think

@yacoobsc.m3269

Жыл бұрын

Una serie de plagas terminan por azotar la tierra y nuestra civilización desaparece 😅

Wow i7 860 is still giving neck to neck performance Amazing job

@williamregal8503

Жыл бұрын

if you think that's neck and neck need glasses lol

@wingman-1977

Жыл бұрын

👓👓👓👓👓

@waltuuh

Жыл бұрын

@WT95 you guys really don't know what is a joke

@AdiiS

Жыл бұрын

@WT95 210% is nothing to be proud of, actually it's pretty embarrassing considering the 13700k is 13 YEARS newer...what a fail.

@amy-295

Жыл бұрын

The gpu is getting better

Play old games this cpu shines

Forza horizon 5 is veery good optymalization

not bad for a 14 year old cpu

But it works. Show me these games on PS3 ? exactly

Why people play hitman and pubg? These are the childish mess.

1st gen 🗿

860 needs a 4090 to produce 80fps ... wow ... thats hard. :D

@m8x425

Жыл бұрын

It would probably get a similar framerate with a 3070

I don't see the difference

Not bad

лооол)) бедные люди, кто купил хогвартс в стиме с денуво)))))))

В целом хороший результат ,если учесть 14 лет разницы

rtx 4090 does not pull. And the fact that the processor is old, no one cares 🙂

This is a very powerful gpu , even i7 13th gen is a bottleneck, it requires i9 cpu