I've been asked FOR YEARS to do a WC3 Heroes tier list... Here it is.
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I've been asked FOR YEARS to do a WC3 Heroes tier list... Here is it. (Live on 15-April-2024)
Looking for the Level 10 Warden game mentioned at 42:03?, here it is: • [LEGENDARY] NEVER. GIV...
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00:00:00 Intro
00:01:00 Blademaster
00:03:16 Farseer
00:07:13 Tauren Chieftain
00:11:08 Shadow Hunter
00:18:30 CryptLord
00:21:19 Lich
00:25:00 Death Knight
00:27:23 Dreadlord
00:29:35 Demon Hunter
00:31:55 Keeper Of The Grove
00:35:27 Warden
00:38:41 Priestess Of The Moon
00:42:23 Paladin
00:45:40 Bloodmage
00:51:52 Mountain King
00:54:00 Archmage
00:58:09 About Tavern Heroes
01:04:08 Beastmaster
01:06:30 Alchemist
01:09:26 Goblin Tinker
01:13:23 Firelord
01:14:50 Naga Sea Witch
01:19:48 Pandaren Brewmaster
01:23:33 Dark Ranger
01:26:12 PitLord
#GrubbyTalks #Thoughts #Tierlist #WC3 #Heroes
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I don't even play the game but I need that information
@markadamsolomon5871
Ай бұрын
same😂 i prefer watching than playing nowadays
@nacholuke8236
Ай бұрын
I don’t play either but I watched the whole thing lol
@anbuhyuga8299
Ай бұрын
We have all installed the game after watching Grubby, thinking we can execute 1% of what he is doing. Then as soon as a fight happens, you completely freak out, A click in your whole army and get deleted while you're trying to just find and select your hero. Apm at 1 per day. I'll stick to watching Grubby thank you very much.
@TheLordboki
Ай бұрын
@@anbuhyuga8299 Bruh, few years ago I went to internet caffee to play some vidya with friends. WC3 was chosed. I thought I had it since I played it my entire childhood. I got erased by a guy who said he played it a few times.
@DuduRossetto
Ай бұрын
Hear hear
Not me watching this instead of sleeping even though i last played this game a decade ago
@Deceit-hx7ey
Ай бұрын
I haven't played WC once, yet i still watch these videos, something very soothing about them 😅
@alishadmand2040
Ай бұрын
same bro, and i enjoyed it
@gamingexes4075
Ай бұрын
@@Deceit-hx7ey Because grubby speaking about his craft is ASMR
@EwokPanda
Ай бұрын
Same, except two decades ago xD
@planetary-rendez-vous
Ай бұрын
Exactly this, why is this so interesting that u ruin my sleep over this :D
To this day I find it funny that Priestess' picture shows her Tiger instead of the Priestess herself. 😸
@DaWanderer
Ай бұрын
I realized this today lol.
@akosszilagyi2656
Ай бұрын
And that tiger is just a glorified horse. It doesn't do anything. No ability linked to it at all.
@alexpopescu8137
Ай бұрын
She IS the tiger, just happens to let a night elf archer ride her for extra dps =)))))
@pimiento3428
Ай бұрын
@@alexpopescu8137 you know too much... (casts shadow strike)
@reynoldswrap26
23 күн бұрын
To this day
This video is perfect to picture how good the hero protraits are great. So much personalities with so few pixels. Great artworks!
@GrubbyTalks
Ай бұрын
💯
@kevingriffith6011
Ай бұрын
The only one I can complain about is Priestess of the Moon. Unless you think the tiger is the hero and the priestess is just an accessory.
@zurcburc
Ай бұрын
@@kevingriffith6011well, it is 😅
@kevingriffith6011
Ай бұрын
@@zurcburc Clearly the modders need to get out there and give the priestess a tiger head and put a giant night elf head on the tiger.
@aomafura3374
Ай бұрын
@@kevingriffith6011 Well when you look at it from a Kid's point of view, that's the best part of it. I picked PotM every time because cool pretty Tiger haha If I saw a Sylvanas clone, I would've passed
-"Pitlord was a mistake" Grubby Miyazaki
@philippecote8571
Ай бұрын
"RaRa cleave, then they leave" -Grub'Tsu, Art of Warcraft.
@LaraCroft-nh9sw
Ай бұрын
So out of context lol
@poilboiler
Ай бұрын
Noooo, they're one of my favorites! :'(
@alexpopescu8137
29 күн бұрын
Pitlord did nothing wrong :((((((
I don't play WC3 since many years now. But this game was just a bit part of my childhood and... I listened 1 hour straight even if it's kind of useless. I just loved to hear your explanations about so much things I loved back in the days. Nostalgia is so strong...
@RubenSC_
Ай бұрын
Just come back :)
I appreciate the historical background for each hero. I didn't realize they changed so much since 2003! Thank you!
@SirTatManTat
Ай бұрын
I also super enjoyed as a dota wc3 player that I could intuit a lot of what he was saying about heroes before he said it. Dota has a similar incredibly interesting history with balancing and many of these abilities are present in some form on various dota heroes.
Grubby, you didnt mentioned one of the most important features of hex, as well, it changes armor type of unit to medium. So it takes additional damage from normal and 100% from spells and magic.
@faustomadebr
Ай бұрын
And evasion is disabled, right? At least is how it works in Dota. Haha
@Hellwolf36
Ай бұрын
I... Never knew this
@TomXCZD
Ай бұрын
This is not true unless it's been changed recently in Reforged. Heroes retained hero armor in hex when I used to play.
@cheeron
Ай бұрын
I dont think it's a right feature
18:18 It got changed back in 2011 with patch 1.25b: "Hex will no longer disable mana or health regeneration of Heroes."
You actually were right the first time. Cleave damage ignores armor entirely. You can see this against knights, which have very high armor. The pit lord will often be doing more damage to the knights that are cleaved than the one he is actually attacking
@IngensViator
Ай бұрын
lol the first time means is this his first correct statement?
@elrondmcbong6392
Ай бұрын
which is also the reason stacking battle furys and attacking everything but the main target was a thing in original dota iirc
@Winnetou17
Ай бұрын
I guess the rationale is that the cleaved damage is the one dealt to the first unit, that is, after that one is reduced by that first unit armor, right ? Aka, to not be reduced twice by armor. Or the cleave damage is its base damage ?
@bryansweeney3077
Ай бұрын
@@Winnetou17 That's how you would intuitively think it would work, but I've tested it in the past and the cleave damage is based on the damage before reduction from armor. Cleave level 3 does 90% damage, so as long as the unit you're hitting has more than 10% damage reduction from armor, you're actually doing more damage to the cleaved units than the main one Example, with simplified values for clarity: Pit Lord is doing 100 dmg, with level 3 cleave (90%) PL hits a knight that has 5 armor. Let's say that provides 20% dmg reduction 3 other knights are within cleave range of the first knight The first knight will take 80 dmg, and the other 3 will take 90 dmg
@Winnetou17
Ай бұрын
@@bryansweeney3077 Come to think of it, if it was as I said it in the previous post, you couldn't have done more damage to those behind, that was a brain fart on my part. Thanks for the info. I remember now from Sven too from DotA :))
It is also really interesting because, like your tier list points out, Elf heroes really aren't that strong. You almost always have to go DH to try and shut down the enemy hero instead. But the race is entirely held up by the strength of Staff of Preservation. Staff makes it so ridiculously hard to get a pick and basically acts like a pseudo hero ability. Human also gets a Staff, but way later with a much longer cooldown and root. Something I think is really broken and underutilized, is picking up items from other races in team games. Staff on Orc is broken stupid, but you never even really think about running over to the Elf to pick it up. You can slap Orb of Corruption on your Shadow Hunter for a ridiculous hero killer. Or power creep with Salve, although your Orc will probably get big mad if you keep buying their stock. I remember making a 4v4 strat of just building Orc shops in my ally bases to supply them with fast expansions and healing salves, and business was boomin'.
@Roxar96
Ай бұрын
Why is that for the shadow hunter ? Do you mean hex change the armor type and the orb reduces it ?
Holy shit! That story at the end was top notch. People who dont watch all the way through are gonna miss such a gem.
8:56 "Endurance aura effects every unit around him, fr fr, no cap"
@RatKing2137
Ай бұрын
End aura is bussin' making me look mid
@mackparker9064
Ай бұрын
enduranceauramaxxing ngl
@pepoaudi8253
Ай бұрын
Panda is the best neutral hero evasion and critical
@ambion19
Ай бұрын
I think Grubby is not taking into account that the reasons he gives for feral spirit S rank are all much more micro intensive than any other S ranked hero. The early game that apm is affordable, but less so as the game progresses. Hard to put FS and AM side by side and conclude they should be the same rank.
46:45 "The moment you are starting to get su**ed... the su***ing continues for some time" getting me a bit flustered Grubby
You forgot to mention for Blood Mage that his Siphon Mana can be used on friendly Units AND Heroes. And when you do that, instead of Blood Mage sucking their mana, he transfers his own mana to the friendly unit/hero. Which is extremely useful when your Paladin runs out of mana for example. And Blood Mage can afford to sacrifice his mana, cause he can steal it from enemies again, because of no real cooldown and cost.
Cryptlord was my favorite hero. I always thought it was amazing that in the middle of a fight he could use his swarm heal and be ready up for another fight. Kinda sad that he ended up that low. :(
@joshuakim5240
Ай бұрын
Tbf, it's mostly due to Crypt Lord being an Undead hero, meaning that its competition is ridiculously stacked. The general consensus for CL is that it's a good hero fighting for the hero slot against amazing heroes (because Lich and Death Knight are cracked).
@Carpatouille
Ай бұрын
At least it's a better solo hero than Lich and most mercenaries
@alaron5698
Ай бұрын
Aww, now I'm sad on your behalf and also recognize myself a bit. I always tried going either Crypt Lord or Dreadlord first, as I think both of them are cooler than the Lich and certainly than the rather generic Death Knight. Leave it to pro players to stomp on the fun of mere mortals😅 I suppose that the consolation is that at lower ranks, you can probably do a great many unorthodox things and still get away with it, as what's optimal in pro play is so far removed from casual play that it is like two different worlds.
@kyraxx
28 күн бұрын
Indubitably
Grubby's tier list actually makes a lot of sense. S = indispensable. A = very strong, usually best among options. B = makes important but non-critical contributions. C = highly situational. D = not ideal even in their supposed niche.
@crymaker9628
Ай бұрын
he s only wrong about dh
@Killcycle
Ай бұрын
@@crymaker9628 DH is S, isn't it??
@staceygram5555
Ай бұрын
So FS should be A, then.
@saw31489
Ай бұрын
@@staceygram5555FS?
I have not been asking or waiting for this, but its about time we got a hero tier list from the lord of Warcraft. Now we also need a map and unit tier list. Very nice. This is so much more than just ranking heroes, this is like a tutorial for beginners and at the same time so much information for vetaran players.
"breakers, sorcerers, and priests, and those three units just happen to be among the best in the human race" Not one human in them haha
@bryansweeney3077
Ай бұрын
"Once again, it's up to the elves"
@HellecticMojo
Ай бұрын
*Garithos noise intensified*
@marcinkusmierzak991
Ай бұрын
"humans" have 3 human units, 3 dwarfs, 4 elves, and 2 machines that should also count as dwarfs. Why do we call them humans?
@weirdcoincollection
Ай бұрын
@@marcinkusmierzak991 It's a carryover from WC1 and WC2. The same way "Orc" has a bunch of other races as The Horde. But they're Orc as a race in WC3.
@shermanator00
Ай бұрын
@@weirdcoincollectionin russian localisation 2004 orc is "Horde" and human is "alliance ", although the translation is not accurate like Abomination called just butcher, it was old age of goofy translators but it made fun cringe moments for us pirates like Star wars kotor or gta sa earliest localisations
One of the great things about you Grubby is how well formulated and thought out comments and ideas are. I might have not played ladder W3 for at least 10-20 years, but I really do enjoy your explanations and context.
17:45 I think Fly yesterday, against Hawk, skipped Reincarnation, and went for 3 point in Aura. He got so fast and Hawk didn't even bother to attack TC, not sure if he realized that Fly went for 3/3 skills.
@kevin-7091
Ай бұрын
I mean, not attacking late game TC is not the strangest thing, even without reincarnation
If they allowed DK heal not friendly undeads, but friendly targets - that would be so much fun. For undeads.
I wouldn't put Crypt Lord at the bottom, he synergizes brilliantly with the other undead heroes. Cast death pact or dark ritual on a beetle and you get a lot of health/mana back, much more than a skeleton would give, and without wasting a unit that costs gold and wood resources. Also the dreadlord vampiric aura buffs beetles and you can use them to surround/trap enemy heroes with sleep. Also you can put him out in front of your army and let the enemy break themselves on his spiked carapace while you toss death coils on him and buff him and his units with unholy aura. He gives you an undead tank that death knight can actually heal, which is sorely needed prior to abominations.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
22 күн бұрын
Agree. He's outclassed by the DK/Lich bromance, for sure, but he's got some game. Early aggression via beetles and his tankiness, deals fantastic damage with his ult in longer games, and is absurdly tanky if he can get going.
This was a fun video! And surprisingly educational about WC3, too.
I’ve seen so many hero tier list I didn’t think I’d enjoy this… now I need more! Give us HOTS hero tier list Grub! ❤
@AdraVY
Ай бұрын
Really helps that this is probably the most well presented and most informative wc3 hero list I've seen, clearly done by someone with both extensive top level experience and a nice presentation style. I've tried looking up wc3 hero lists before and the others just dont do it for me. More pls lord grubs! Unit tier list, campaign missions tier list...anything
@mickeyromeo
Ай бұрын
Ultras would be under D
Appreciate the lesson. In-between the tier list you're still getting all the knowledge. The joy and utter fulfillment on that face from the 2019 clips 😀
Haven't played W3 in like 10 years, but I'm still very familiar with these heroes (not so much their patch notes) and hearing about them coming from a pro like you is always great content
I was never good at RTS but I remember watching a lot of the pro scene back in the day, including your games, and I don't follow the game now but a video like this is still super interesting to me haha. Glad it popped up on my feed.
@Copperkex
Ай бұрын
Don't be afraid , come with us on a journey, we almost always lose 50:50, I just came to aoe4. Not playing is passive ,like our parents, feel the adrenaline , feel life again ,don't be contempt , play ,win ,loose ,feel the excitement.
Love this video - I honestly love your breakdown of the heroes and even though I played this 15 years ago, I'm seriously considering trying this again - Thanks Grubby.
I am still impressed by how much you know about the game and I love hearing you basically ramble and analyze all that information. I dont even play this game yet I cant stop watching your videos!
I had to look up a video showcasing shadow hunter because i realized ive never seen big bad voodoo ever
I haven't played wc3 in years, and never touched it competitively, but what a fantastic video. I was glued to the screen.
I've been dying for this video for like 10 years, thanks so much Grubster! Would love to see the ultimates tier list next! =)
Many moons have I waited for this moment
@Carpatouille
Ай бұрын
*Night elf music starts playing loudly*
TC is my favorite hero
@mohammadalward6941
Ай бұрын
Oh yeah the shockwave is the best❤❤❤
@AntoniIvanov-rq7dy
Ай бұрын
Maaan, my thoughts are all about the same like yours!
Great Video. I didn't know about the Hex effects like denying exp and mana regen.... incredible.
I havent played W3 in like 10 years but I needed this tier list in my life nway.
I need practice in RTS games in general but i have a passionate love for the genre, wc3 and good, applicable knowledge just watching you play and talk so keenly about your strategies and reasonings for things. You bet your sweet hiney im going to enjoy watching this list and educated guessing where heroes would rank!
Grubby, I'm really happy to see this channel taking off. Your positivity and insights make all of your videos, regardless of topic, a joy to listen to!
Please do a similar unit tier list!!! Loved this grubby
Havent played the game since a year after the expansion release, but i still love watching your vids. Keep it up:)
Really good editing on this one. Had to dig to find it though
WC3 is my childhood game, I used to suck and even now. Even that I don't play it anymore, I do enjoy your wc3 content!
The background music added in this video is very appreciated. The Warcraft III music is underrated. Nice to have music to go along with good explanation of the heroes.
Seen some people in the stream chat commenting about how in depth and how long this video is gonna take to make. GOOD, could listen to this kinda info all day lol
I won so many games with my orc farseer and 3 grunts rush at first midnight back in the day. Then tinker came out and I won even more with the same strat in 2v2 using factory.
1:31:02 you had me chuckle, but this is also why i always followed you since like forever. Authentic, at it, inspring and well mannered. Thanks for being around, Grubby!
loving the list, thanks!
Pitlord is bugged btw his rain of fire damage values are wrong when you check it in the editor which is why its weak no matter what rank it is When you do some quick math and make the changes it works like its stated lol
Such a pleasure to watch the whole thing, plus this tier list reminds me of old DotA hero portraits
I turned this on while working on something. The audio itself was enough to make me want to reinstall the game and make yet another playthrough. Speaks how great the game is. Thank you for the vid Grubby, it is really interesting!
@theshinken
Ай бұрын
Same! I immediately got an itch to try out all those heroes once again. WC3 is so great that I actually enjoy all heroes. Except BM and DH, from those I get 'Nam flashbacks instead.
Caught it ongoing on stream, decided to wait for video. Sweet.
Havn´t played War3 a decade yet all these hero icons and spell icons are just so iconic, they live rent free in my mind
@georgeousguy
Ай бұрын
Also, tho im not sure how it is in english, but russian localisation is a masterpiece of a kind, I still can immideately remember any unit phrase or even voice, its amazing, hope it was as cool in english
will be nice to see voting on how community sees these heroes in comparison
Its not just a tier list, it's a masterclass from a truly master of the game.
Started listening to this on vacation while in shower.. FINALLY time to finish it! The moment many of us have been waiting for.
Grubby, I have been following you since 2005. But only in this in-depth analysis I have been able to fully appreciate your knowledge of the game and how complex WC actually is. Take care m8, you rock!
Thanks for putting this together!
"I AM HERO AND OBEY" -what i thought the blademaster was saying back then
@fuckingidiots2627
Ай бұрын
U telling me that he isnt saying that?
@Sprintspeed10
Ай бұрын
wait what does he say?
@georgem589
Ай бұрын
@@Sprintspeed10 "I will hear you and obey", I think
@BanoClan
Ай бұрын
My whole life’s a lie
Love this! even though all my heroes (MK,DH, BM) was A tier list. keep up the great work! even though havnt played for 14 years ish, this game is still close to heart.
Thank you dearly for this tierlist, very in depth but also straight to the point, i am a NE Warden enjoyer btw
Dreadlord used to be a bit wacky, true, but at the moment he's a staple vs Hu. Wrecks workshops much better than panda, can be coiled. Placing him behind tinker just doesn't feel right. I beieve he's a solid B
I remember not 3 years ago, Fly100% went BM + *PL* + SH (unsure on the order of 2nd and 3rd hero) in an Orc mirror against Lyn (I believe?) on Concealed Hill and it was absolutely glorious...! It was a one-off, no doubt, but in an Orc mirror with mass Raiders and Shamans, a bloodlusted PL with cleave and HoT was a real force of nature and a spectacle to behold.
Totally accurate list
I would love to see more of this for each of the races. Either a unit tier list (or spells), or just an in depth description of each races pay styles/strengths/weaknesses/strats/current and past metas. WC3 is a hard game for me to understand with so much going on.
seeing this summary makes me realise even more so just how awesome wc3 is. The development team back in the date was fire.
I don't know if this changed since the Reforged version, but back then I remember Pitlord's Cleave ability bypassing armour and could actually deal more damage to the secondary targets than the main one if hitting a bunch of high armour targets, which is quite odd
Grubby, have you ever heard of a custom campaign called To the Bitter End? I swear you should cover this master piece, it is a full game within a game.
Azgalore should be in S+ tier unlike regular Pit Lords.
@zytha2890
Ай бұрын
Regular pitlord is ok tbh The problem is he wasn't made correctly Check his rain of fire ability and then look at its damage values in the editor
@eafesaf6934
Ай бұрын
@@zytha2890i don't get it. Explain further.
@clemenscohn7371
Ай бұрын
Azgalor or Assgalore. Not Azgalore.
@joshuakim5240
Ай бұрын
@@eafesaf6934 The Rain of Fire spell on Pit Lord is mediocre to the point where in most cases it will do comparable damage by just auto attacking with Cleave. Him being a Strength hero also means he can't really spam spells aggressively so in 9/10 situations it's better to save his mana for Howl of Terror (an actually very good spell). Basically, having a mediocre DoT splash spell on a hero whose auto attack is splash makes the spell large redundant (and less versatile since it locks the Pit Lord in place while only able to rain on a small designated area). Another major issue is that the Doom spell, his Ultimate Ability, is a slow-acting debuff...which can be easily cleansed with Dispel Magic/Purge/Abolish Magic and it having a massively obvious visual indicator also doesn't help hide it. So the result is that, unless you're going against specifically Undead, the Pit Lord functionally only has 1 spell (Howl) and splash melee auto attacks. The amusing thing is that in the WC3 campaign, there's a special Pit Lord in the Reign of Chaos final mission, Azgalor, who has an entirely different spell kit (Shockwave, Thunderclap, Reincarnation, and Earthquake) which is substantially more dangerous because even 20 years ago, Blizzard's devs were aware of how unthreatening the Pit Lord's base kit is.
This might be my second most anticipated movie release of 2024, next to pannenkoek's nearly 4 hour long video about walls in Super Mario 64.
Mercenary tier list next! Also Alchemist and Paladin are a fun duo.
Last time I play WC3 was like 8 years ago but I need this hour and a half information for my incoming exam. 👍
27:51 also gargoyles, skeletons, beetles, even acolytes, mercenaries and possessed. Dreadlord was clearly designed as fast farmer and support, devs just didn't think about even faster farm strats. Great design on paper, B/C tier in reality.
i also enjoyed the beastmaster/dh aow creep with quilbeast and tinker third with mass master talons vs orc. that strat was BIG for a long, long time knocking out tons of orcs. i think i've only seen 1 or 2 orcs ever beat it in a big tournament. i think i've seen you beat it once back when you were playin in WCG Competitively
That's quite amazing. I didn't think they were so complex. Btw would you include in that tier list custom/unique heroes like Garithos etc?
I'm a sucker for a tier list. I will watch all the WC3 tier lists, lol. Units, Ults, Maps, WC3 players of all time, etc
I don't play competitively in WC3 so my ratings of heroes is super different (it's literally all preference) but I really like all the heroes that spawn extra units, and the Crypt Lord in particular is very good for a first hero in my opinion because it gives you 4 permanent bonus units that are fairly powerful at max rank to supplement your army. I know the other spells all have a lot of impact as well but for lower skill players its really nice to have spells that auto cast or do something permanent to have a little less to manage during fights.
Bro i also don't play this game but I know everything about it just watching your videos and soaking all like I would play this game every day. You're a hero bro thanks !
First of all, great list. I can't say I agree with all the choices but that's because the last time I seriously played this game was 20 years ago ao my memory of it is significantly different from what it is now and also because even then, I sucked at the game. Haha. Your logic and explanations are sound. The ratings are fairly consistent, such that even those who only have a novel understanding of the game can kind of "predict" where you would place a hero (or, more accurately, actually follow your logic through the list ). Since my profession is a iut making cogent and coherent arguments, I greatly appreciate this. Therefore, secondly, since I'm a massive Borderlands fan and have recently gotten back into it, I have a ton of time for listening to long form podcast style videos. Hence why I now officially request that you, Grubby, bite the bullet, be one with Purge and make a 3 hour long list ranking all the units for Wc3 in its current incarnation, specifically for 1v1. And then, should that be too easy for you, maybe best abilities specifically ultimates (like you mentioned). The list could go on but yeah... Lastly and on a complete tangent, as a fairly big Raid: Shadow Legends fan, I think you'd actually like the game quite a bit because its essentially a team building game where you try to form the best team to beat whichever boss is in front of you. And now, I realise I've been typing this comment for like 10 minutes in the tropical midday sun and I think a drink of water is probably what my body needs before I melt into a puddle and immediately evaporate, disappearing into thin air. TLDR: Great list Grubby. Now go play Raid Shadow Legends so you can download my code (in the comments below!!!)😂😂😂
I used to do DK/Pit/Necro frenzy in 2v2 (one player picking dk, the other pit). Pretty fun cleave rush.
Thanks Grubby. Your people demands a part II with ultimates. Except for a very few, they're so mana expensive that i'd often skip them for basic ability
Any chance we can have a tier list for items ? The ones from the shop and also the drops from the creeps camps, that would be awesome ! Thanks for the video
How crazy is it that this game has existed for 20 years+ and this ranking video is uploaded the same week I search for it
I would like to see you play a showmatch as Orc against a Human player, but the heroes of the races are switched, so you get Human heroes at the altar and the Human gets Orc heroes. This would be a fun way to test the relative strength of the races' heroes.
One spell Idea I could see being a positive for POTM would be to replace searing arrow (which doesn't fit night elf lore anyway they don't catch things on fire) and give her something like enchant weapon. The spell would target units the same way frost armor does, you enchant their weapons to gain the positive effects of magic damage on top of their normal attacks. Each level adds a percentage of the magic damage benefit. Suddenly your projectile army can pierce through heavy armor units like butter.
Back in the day i used to struggle vs undead with human. i either went pala first and bloodmage second or rushed with mass footy and firelord. when your firelord arrives at their base you had 2-3 footy and more on the way. keep the summons alive and you can win on the spot or cripple their eco+creeping speed so much that your knights hit really hard against underlvled heros+no tech. The BO was farm and barracks first, start building footy as soon as possible and let them run to the tavern in the middle. Time your altar with the timing of the tavern, the moment you can recruit him you do it and go to the UD base. Continue to build footy until you reach 7-8 then upgrade defend, if you win hard keep up the pressure with more footy, otherwise start to tech and stop footy production. Dont leave the UD to themself so they can creep, if they tech go for their akolytes. Most important part is to not let the UD tech or slow down their tech and dont lose footy. At home you build an aracne vault and tech for fast knights. Would love to see you play this style.
Hey grubby I really felt excited when I saw the video and its so awesome how you explain everything in detail. I just feel confused about DH, how can he have so much good stuff and strenght that he was called superman but hes not S tier in your opinion, it feels always hard playing against him. Maybe its because of the general NE concept but still he has everything, abilities, stats,…
I played few games of Warcraft 3 skirmish. I had invented Paladin build for myself where I would prioritize armor and healing. However, I would go for Priests to create sturdy backline. Commenters also said that Paladin should go with priests. I do not know how good it is at the very top, but it was rock solid strategy for me to start playing with.
Such in-depth analysis! This requires absolute understanding of the game. Your explanation is much better than many professors in the universities. Or maybe, many professors do not have full understanding of the field they are in. 😄😄😄
I've been wondering this since watching your OG days Grubby.
Reminds me of another beta moment when the dreadlord had mass teleport. If I remember correctly, he would turn into a swarm of bats with his units. It was so cool!
I love this tierlist video grub. I think wc3 biggest issue is the hard accessability. Very complicated game to get into😊
I don't think Night Elf having generally weaker heroes is that much of a hot take - the same logic of orc and undead being carried by their heroes is true of night elf being carried by moon wells. That's why they've historically been the race that uses tavern heroes the most. Honestly, it's because of moon wells that neutral heroes aren't a strong as they generally should be in my opinion, you basically have to balance neutral heroes under the pretense that they have access to moon wells.
Everybody loves tierlist video, I think it's a good idea you do more of them
I really love that Glad you can bake it Uther reference. I laughed out of nowhere here in the office
Havnt watched yet but over 1.5 hours is excellent analysis lol
Love the Starship Troopers reference! :)
14:10 ish, man, getting lvl3 serpent wards for the FIRST time ever in a 2v2 or i think it might've been a 3v3 tournament since we had many many big battles, and we were on ventrilo or maybe teamspeak? we could coordinate hero nukes, hex into a bolt into a coil/nova nuke? is gnarly. but then a TC stomp, coil/nova+hex, into another nuke... having stomp come back up and that dudes still alive, they have no chance to use pots or invuln or anything cept rely on other allies healing (healing wards, heal scrolls, etc) which reminds me of a particular team who always played ud/ud which a LOT of people considered horrible but they constantly remained in the top 5-8 in 2v2 AT. and we played them a lot. they managed to snag a couple wins off of us whenever we got really bad maps and matchups. my worst race in TFT was 100% without question human. hence why i came up with so many cheesy builds.
Nice list with an in-depth explanation on each heroes capabilities and shortcomings. In my opinion, there should be an SS tier where AM and DK should be placed. Those 2 are just way above the rest.
Haven't played in a while but Dl first with dk was really cool. Dreadlord kinda has a pretty effective aoe nuke himself at lvl 6: stun enemy army with infernal then launch a lv 3 carrion while immolation further depletes hp. Risky but fun combo.