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@mr.badatgames7887

Ай бұрын

Why did you like your own comment

@joee-kp7qt

Ай бұрын

No

@illuminaticake4528

Ай бұрын

How was this comment from 3 weeks ago

@TheSpartan9003

Ай бұрын

How is this so old

@samuelyancey4605

Ай бұрын

Bro missed an opportunity to say first 3 weeks before anyone else.

I never understood the extent of Business majors idiocy until one day when I was in the library I watched 2 girls unironically sit and stare at a linear graph representing income for 45 minutes confused on how to find the rate at which the company was making money.

@honkhonk8009

Ай бұрын

Im a CS kid but took an econ class. I haven't read shit for supply/demand graphs and couldnt be bothered to figure out what they actually represent lmfao. I just memorized that if supply goes up, then the funny line goes one way instead of the other. Prolly my own incompetence but they way they word these econ textbooks genuinely gives me an aneursym. Its like they purposely try to make it as hard as possible to understand. Compared to a book on math proofs, math proofs are so much easier to understand cus they dont muddy the conversation with random bullshit lol

@cumradej

Ай бұрын

Funny as hell lmao

@MinecraftPigSniper

Ай бұрын

Yea as someone who graduated community college with a business admin degree and then a private college with a finance degree, the troglodytism is absurd in our field. People don’t understand the most basic concepts that are just fundamentally true like if you add 2 to a number it goes up by 2 and if you take x2 and subtract x1 and then divide by x1 you get growth rates. Legit knew people who couldn’t write a paragraph in even 60% readable English(as native speakers) about how advertising would increase potential customer base. These were all seniors in Finance.

@aycoded7840

Ай бұрын

@@MinecraftPigSniper " if you take x2 and subtract x1 and then divide by x1 you get growth rates"? What does the "x" mean. Edit: The numbers in x1 and x2 are subscripts, so x1 and x2, and just two different "x-coordinates". I just didn't realise they were subscripts. Also, in the context, it almost seemed like an operation (multiplication), since it's right after having spoken about addition of 2. Thanks for the clarification.

@cuad0130

Ай бұрын

@@aycoded7840 I think they mean the percentage change in growth. e.g a company makes $10k in month 1, and $12k in month 2. So ($20k - $10k)/$10k = 0.2 so the growth rate from month 1 to month 2 is 20%

Economics majors have some pretty specialized knowledge; they leave academia with some pretty big holes in things like geography, statistics, and economics

@nemanjalazarevic9249

Ай бұрын

One of those things happens to be their brain

@mikelake1306

Ай бұрын

Jargon. The specialized knowledge is jargon. I took a grad-level course straddling math and econ departments. We worked together on problem sets: the econ majors translated the questions into English, we solved them, and they would copy the answers. Real head-scratchers like "find the area of a triangle."

@gabrielpena366

Ай бұрын

Or biology.

@GogiRegion

Ай бұрын

@@mikelake1306I took two levels of economics, and literally both classes were 90% just finding the area of a triangle.

@Gee-xb7rt

Ай бұрын

You know that its not that uncommon for people like me to have degrees in at least two of those, I have degrees in geography and economics, economics from a social science program, not business. Econ-stats is offered as its own degree.

As someone who currently does data science, I want to find the physicist who thinks "normalizing data" means deleting outliers, and send him to Data Science Gulag (programming in SAS on Windows 11)

@warpig2148

Ай бұрын

Yeah you have to remember that physics data come from experiments that can have flaws and human errors. Like maybe I diluted this thing one more time that I should 😅. And that's why sometimes when you see so fucking big error you can just say yeah someone fucked up this sample. Because you know other option is to full recreate experiment to obtain new set of data.

@Eldriitch

Ай бұрын

There's the data science gulag for bad analyses and bad interpretations of data, but just deleting data you don't like is deserving of actual academic fraud jail tbh.

@lightworker2956

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately, modern-day academia is "publish or perish." And also, finding results gets you published while "I did the experiment, nothing of note was discovered" doesn't. Combine these two and even people who know better can get pressured into just falsifying data.

@scribblescrabble3185

Ай бұрын

this, as a chemist

@anonl5877

Ай бұрын

@@warpig2148 that's cope. Unless you save the ID and diagnostics for each data point and can prove that the outlier is caused by known bugs or human error, you can't just assume it is bad data. The proper course of action would be to adjust your base model assumptions, or accept a lower r^2 value.

Data in a nutshell: “If it isn’t a line that follows the standard trend, then make it a line that follows the standard trend.”

@nicholasgutin8577

Ай бұрын

me when p val is .051

@StrayChoom

Ай бұрын

@@nicholasgutin8577that’s a bit high 💀

@anarchosnowflakist786

Ай бұрын

stalinsort but for data

@larlwheezer2334

28 күн бұрын

@@nicholasgutin8577 that's fucking painful

@lambdasun4520

28 күн бұрын

this is why there is a replication crisis going on in academia right now.

As an Econ student this actually puts 90% of economic research into context because it makes sense in a field where people are such glue eaters that the people who actually managed to learn math and statistics are willing to show that they can use it at all times

@chesspiece4257

Ай бұрын

as a sociology student this explains why sociologists often have to pick up behind economists forgetting that people aren’t just numbers

@kagakai7729

Ай бұрын

@@chesspiece4257 The last thing I wanted to endorse with my comment was even less math-savvy Economists, but here we are

@josephburchanowski4636

Ай бұрын

@@chesspiece4257 Do they cover the Replication Crisis at all in sociology class? I know that psychology, economics, and political science have started addressing their replication crisis; but I don't hear too much about sociology tackling it.

@rickastley7522

Ай бұрын

Econ is brain dead easy until your professor tells you to download R. That’s when you get your real stats focused shit (and programming)

@kagakai7729

Ай бұрын

@@josephburchanowski4636 Econ's replication crisis stems from the lack of historical economic data- GDP as an indicator isn't even a century old, so we've always had to make do with things like grain wages and baskets of goods that we inference were historically considered essentials. This is in essence a problem that will resolve itself, as time goes on and we have much more year on year financial data

I took econ in HS, as an AP/Honors kid I had never seen so many absolute glue devourers in my life. Those mfs would get asked, "What is 10 million divided by 10?" and proceed to waste 90 seconds of everyone else's life just going "ummmm, ummm," and every time the TA tried to get one of them to do work, (because yes, they needed a TA,) they would scream in her face and have to go out into the hall as punishment.

@emberthecatgirl8796

Ай бұрын

Man, I so envy you guys who got to choose your classes in High School. I had the “profile” system, where I only got to choose the rough profile of my classes. Well, at least I didn’t choose Matex.

@kekero540

Ай бұрын

Bro it was me and my friends in geometry and everyone else I swore had a lead binky when they were an infant. Because the class average of 42 out of 26 people (5 of them my friends who all got 80s 90s) it was baffling. Same whenever I talked to most business majors.

@Koyomix86

Ай бұрын

Wow that’s very different from my hs Econ experience. I took AP Econ and it was actually a great class, there was a few idiots but a lot of people were smart and I had a great teacher who taught us a lot of valuable and interesting things.

@ImDaRealBoi

Ай бұрын

@@emberthecatgirl8796 ... The fuck is matex???

@hassananwar9833

Ай бұрын

Doing a level computer science gives the same vibes my guy, I've become the classes tech support atp

in the industry side of chemistry, we have a saying: "At least we arent academia". As an undergraduate I did research in a lab with a grad student who was working on a project in an area that had two or three published papers on the entire internet, and they were all from the same group who seemingly just made up numbers.

@wind_doe

Ай бұрын

Profile picture checks out.

@nicazer

Ай бұрын

@@wind_doe hehe. I set that in sixth grade when chemistry became my one personality trait. A friend’s mom is a chemist and she was working with vitamin B12 so thats what I made my newly acquired google account. Good times

@GodplayGamerZulul

Ай бұрын

@@nicazer based friend's mommy admirer

@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756

Ай бұрын

That's a big thing in getting phd's hire Indians to peer review for a couple hundred bucks

@Zer0Blizzard

Ай бұрын

Yurp, 50+% of academic studies just make shit up or P hack the everliving crap out of it. Source: basically nobody double checks most "scientific" papers, and peer "review" is mostly a joke because everyone is in on it. Source2: retractionwatch

as much as econ may be generally less mathematically demanding than physics, it's rather worrying to know that some colleges teach at this level for their econ degrees. not quite sure what econ they went on to do afterwards (one can only hope it wasn't enough to get them into a decent grad school), but jeez is that terrifying

@ScansGMS

Ай бұрын

its a business econ track, the actual economics track (especially for people looking to go to grad school) usually uses a proof based approach to stats and econometrics

@philippeturgeon6730

Ай бұрын

@@ScansGMS Can confirm. I did my first year of bachelors in economics, while its maths was nowhere near the level I ended up doing when I went into physics it was definitely more rigorous than what is described here. Also you would never have points docked for a rounding choice.

@ScansGMS

Ай бұрын

@@philippeturgeon6730 right, and at a grad school level real analysis is now an unwritten prerequisite to entry. in fact, most of the people looking to go to grad school in economics at jeff’s uni usually take more math than that (theory of ordinary/partial differential equations, functional/complex analysis, measure theory, abstract algebra, etc.)

@onelazynoob15

Ай бұрын

Idk, eat glue and do insider trading? If the VC scene is any indicator

@WinterAyars

Ай бұрын

I think undergraduate economics is widely regarded as a joke and only really a prep session for graduate economics, which most of the economics majors don't do. My brother has a Master's in economics and that was the sense i got from what i saw, too.

6:54 to be fair, rounding up things correctly and reporting the right amount of significant figures is one of the first things they (normally) teach in statistics. I know because they insisted A LOT on this for us (It's a mandatory class for our physics course)

@redopal9796

Ай бұрын

exactly! to say that it is a common sense thing taught in middle school and show his error of not knowing the simple concept of rounding, a concept taught in 3rd grade, does have me raising an eyebrow

@sepro5135

Ай бұрын

@@redopal9796 you didn’t understand him. The … means the number is truncated not rounded. If you don’t have a … at the end you don’t round. Rounding before a … doesn’t make sense. That’s the idea, not that he doesn’t understand rounding.

@Xdgvy

Ай бұрын

​@sepro5135 Yes, but sig figs *enforce* a rounding rule; which both business and science courses require. As in, your data will be thrown out if you do not follow the rule. Basically, Euclidean math is severely flawed and causes some jobs to require set rounding rules. It's one of my major gripes with modern mathematics.

@HunsterMonter

Ай бұрын

​@@Xdgvy wtf is euclidian math? If you are talking about euclidian geometry, it has nothing to do with rounding

@Xdgvy

Ай бұрын

@@HunsterMonter Euclid's elements, specifically five and 7-10 (if my memory is correct), do deal with numbers; including prime, rational, and irrational. They are the basis for our system.

Business Econ is not Econ. The problem wasn't that it was an econ class, the problem is it was a business class.

@bennoarchimboldi6245

Ай бұрын

Nope Econ is absolute crap too

@buzzmast3r546

Ай бұрын

@@hickoryst.6961 I can confirm economics jokes only go down well with other economists

@martinfiedler4317

Ай бұрын

@@hickoryst.6961 Not my experience (did the first 2 years of an Economics PhD, before I was fed up and left with only the Masters) Economists like to (ab)use math to show the world and themselves how clever they are. But generally they neither have a deeper understanding of the math they are using not or the real-life phenomena they describe with it. Next life, I'd rather learn plumbing than spend time on Economics. With plumbing, at least, you get actual sh*t done...

@mmmar7317

Ай бұрын

Yeah but let these labcoats keep their superiority.

@Karl_der_Genosse

Ай бұрын

Exactly. Macro is the only Econ that is repsectable and even that has some serious problems.

I once sniffed a glue stick as a joke in front of my friends and my maths teacher saw it and gave me a very weird look (this was in sixth form)

@empyrea2642

Ай бұрын

Normalize using the human senses!

@SpahGaming

Ай бұрын

i did this but more then once and then

@Blade.5786

Ай бұрын

You have a sixth form? And it's not even your final form?

@marshallschaefer9632

Ай бұрын

how many forms do you have

@SpahGaming

Ай бұрын

@@marshallschaefer9632 ingerland

PROFESSOR: "When showing 2 or 3 significant digits, you must round off your answers." JEFF: "Three dots after a number means I don't have to round off, and I will DIE on this hill!!!"

I took econ 100 to fulfill a general requirement at my school (with one of the top business schools in the country), and our professor gave us a question to justify whether the invisible hand works or not, specifically saying that either answer is correct if we justify it well. Every single person who said no got zero points.

@birmax5420

Ай бұрын

When your teacher is actually a 1800 scientist who invented time travel

@alexritchie4586

Ай бұрын

Econ classes don't teach economics; They teach the professor's political opinions.

@jongxina3595

Ай бұрын

I mean yeah why would you say "No"

@vlc-cosplayer

Ай бұрын

@@jongxina3595 if the hand is invisible, how can you tell if it's doing anything?

@alkalize

Ай бұрын

Yeah my econ professor would misrepresent real world events to fit his narrative. At least he wasn't like my other professors who gave a bad grade for disagreeing with them on topics like social security, medicare, minimum wage, etc. I did enjoy his class because he appreciated when students would disagree with him, and would fight against his views. Other than his misrepresentation of certain facts (which was probably not malice, just confirmation bias), he was actually one of my best professors.

as a former buiness major(left for a variaty of reasons) without watching the video I fully agree. Jesus christ yall got bent out of shape about this one. First off there was no grand point to my spelling it was just that I didn't care and my brain was on automatic. Second I made this comment within a few seconds of the video just to agree that "as a former business major" people are a bit on the dumb side. This is a youtube comment section for a creator who just vomits out his thoughts with poorly drawn images, it ain't that deep.

@injeraenjoyer4570

Ай бұрын

"variaty" yep, that's a fellow business major right there

@daveogfans413

Ай бұрын

@@injeraenjoyer4570 Funny that you've mastered criticism before punctuation. Next time use a dot and proper capitalization when making fun of some rando on KZread.

@Mango-vd1nn

Ай бұрын

@@daveogfans413cool

@injeraenjoyer4570

Ай бұрын

@daveogfans413 the rejection of punctuation and capitalization in a casual setting is not only perfectly acceptable, but completely correct in its circumstance, business major. I'm right with you here in the dumb people boat. No infighting, only ribbing here

@daveogfans413

Ай бұрын

@@injeraenjoyer4570 Saying "rejection of punctuation" like you're making some kind of grand, insightful point about communication. There was a variaty of ways you could've said it without sounding cringe.

Dude unironically called the actual standard way to round numbers that they teach everybody starting in grade school an "inane rounding scheme" like it is something esoteric.

@Cibershadow2

12 күн бұрын

I was taught this method of rounding past 3 decimals as well but also think removing 5% for it is incredibly silly

@ChevronTango

12 күн бұрын

The issue is the conflation of two different methods of reporting an answer. With the ... (ellipsis) then you aren't expected to round as you are reporting that more is to follow, whilst if you don't include that, then you are expected to round, though you often need to report it with a note to the effect of "to 3 decimal places" so it's clear what you've done. The professor seems to want him to do both.

@ChristianConrad

10 күн бұрын

@@ChevronTango : For all we know, the professor's redpenning covered / was intended to cover the ellipsis too, not just the "2", but this doofus didn't notice / understand that.

@maxwellsterling

10 күн бұрын

@@ChristianConrad If it was intended to cover the ellipsis, then it shouldn't have been corrected to "3..." and instead to "3".

@ChristianConrad

10 күн бұрын

@@maxwellsterling : I don't think it was corrected to “3...” I think it was corrected to “3”, and the “..." were Jeff's original ones which either were sloppily crossed out, or not at all.

Not really related, but I was in a high school Chem class when the teacher asked “what’s 4/4” and half of the class proceeded to answer either 0 or 4. 😭

@Zer0Blizzard

Ай бұрын

modulus vs algebraic division war commencing

@Ultrox007

Ай бұрын

As the resident idiot who failed all these classes then self-taught statistics, probabilities, and permutations ENTIRELY to learn which games I could rig into my favor at casinos and carnivals. ...Wouldn't the answer be 1? Like, you split 4, four times... I have four apples and four friends, I give each friend one apple... how many does each friend have... WHAT?!

@exotic1405

Ай бұрын

​@@Ultrox007 nope, apparently all the friends phase out of existence

@Mowdlin

Ай бұрын

It’s a time signature : )

@ombricshalazar3869

Ай бұрын

it's called HIGH school for a reason

So really early on in the course your professor made it clear you should round, not truncate but your ego or laziness prevented you from learning that lesson... And your take away is that everyone else was too stupid?

@jewels3400

Ай бұрын

I remember in my stats we rounded nearly all of our numbers. Statistics is already an, "arguable," set of numbers. Like on surveys people lie, or methods of gathering data may be flawed. So a .00000076 difference isnt going to make a significant impact. Certain types of information need different amounts of specificity, like if you are testing measurements of liquid, youd want like 5 decimals. Where as if you are counting descrete data, like one person, or one cat, you cant have, "half a person," that doesn't make any sense. So you have to make it the closest round number.

@ryuuk4498

Ай бұрын

I've never seen someone just writing 0.342... to indicate that the number keeps going. Is this an American middle school thing? It's like such a normal standard to round the number throughout the scientific community

@sottonk

Ай бұрын

@@ryuuk4498 I've taught Physics, Mathematics and Computer Science, the only time I've seen it used is Computer Science in some specifics contexts, but even then it's usually for integer division (sometimes called floor). I've never seen a Physics or Maths course that would accept truncating answers.

@JimBob1937

28 күн бұрын

@@sottonk , yeah, I'd think truncation would cause a systematic downward bias in calculations, and wouldn't expect to see it in real world application except narrow circumstances.

You reminded me my social statistic class when I was a sociology student, it was an open book exam and I feel like I was the monkey in Chinese room experiment

@amistrophy

Ай бұрын

Bro is just navigating a library with the answers lol

I was 1 of 3 engineers in an operations management class (I was told it was a good way to learn how bid packages are priced out), which I took as a senior. It was the most kind numbingly boring class, which I ended up skipping like half the semester and still receiving and A while other students struggled with adding two costs together (second week of lecture). I genuinely have no idea how business majors make 50% more money than I do... :(

@amistrophy

Ай бұрын

It's not the degree that gets them the money. Most ppl with a business administration bachelors make around 60k. The ppl that make way more simply need the degree to access the jobs that daddy or mommy had already "found" for them

@user-ek9vo2ub9b

Ай бұрын

They fail up...

@thedog5k

Ай бұрын

@@amistrophygot it People keep talking about “ these business majors” making too much . Most of them don’t make that much, 60k ish… I did two years of businesses and decided to switch because the people in my class were so dumb I didn’t want to be lumped in with them.

@softwetbread248

Ай бұрын

Operations research is the cooler operations management

@medanon7221

28 күн бұрын

Probably connections, simple as

In my econ course last year (Im a social studies education major, not business) we had it run by a sweet old lady who should probably have retired. I once had my final project drop a letter grade because i didnt submit something tgat was aready linked in the powerpoint I submitted. Her lectures were getting so boring so i started drawing soyjaks and dumbass corny memes on the whiteboard table

As someone who studied econometrics and then mathematics (albeit in Europe) on two different universities I must say two things: 1. Be aware than when you are laughing at mathematical fluency of economics students, in the same time mathematics students are laughing at mathematical fluency of physics students and, especially, engineers. 2. The problem with studying economy is that you are often ask to use mathematical tools that were never introduce during the course. The most radical example was that we had a mandatory class (I don't remember what it was called) that basically required fluency in ergodic theory from students, whereas anything beyond linear optimization was never introduced in previous courses. I think we did not have differential equations even introduced at the time. If not for the fact, that the professor was a sweetheart and she was also surprised that anybody though it was good idea even have this class in curriculum, nobody should have pass the class. Even today, as a maths graduate, I don't have any idea about optimization in dynamic systems.

@redpanda7967

24 күн бұрын

It also rubs me the wrong way that he’s talking about people in introductory courses. The intro course was probably just as easy for many other people in the class - and the people who struggle will not end up with degrees in economics.

@krkngd-wn6xj

19 күн бұрын

Maths students are up there in smugness, only behind law and medical in my experience. Also, the engineering students I know (I studied computer science, but it was the same campus) all had the joke that physicists are just engineers who can't do math or talk to women. Everyone makes fun of everyone, it's the law of academia.

@mr.ballstone1914

14 күн бұрын

As a STEM major I dislike how smug STEM majors are. While there are certainly deadbeat business majors there are also plenty of chill ones because they aren’t smug a**holes who have a superiority complex over those that aren’t as smart as them. Like someone else mentioned, saying that students in introductory business courses are going to be running banks in a few years is ludicrous. Anyone not cut out for an introductory course isn’t making it through a major. I think these people would be suprised at the difficulty of more advanced econ courses (I have a brother who did Business Econ at a college that basically required regular econ courses.) Furthermore, many professions that Business leads into are very much work your way up the chain kind of jobs. It’s also important to note that many of those students are coming straight out of public highschools with extremely low standards for non-advanced classes. People need to notice the log in their own eye before seeing the speck in others, so to speak. On a side note, I found it funny how the video creator couldn’t fathom that a professor would want him to round in a pretty standard way😂.

@Hadar1991

14 күн бұрын

@@krkngd-wn6xj As a maths graduate, when I hear somebody who never studied theoretical maths saying he knows maths I will always react with smug "ohh, that's cute". But maths students usually recognize the fact modern maths is so detached from all other science and material words, that there is still gratitude for those apply the maths, regardless how spotty their knowledge can be.

@waxcutter9813

13 күн бұрын

Is it bad I'm uneducated on complex and even slightly higher level math near graduation for an accounting degree and potentially finance work? I hear it doesn't require complex math but I'm worried about being clueless if I need it

A- is the bottom third of the class? American grade inflation is a joke

@lettu6199

7 күн бұрын

That's not the case most of the time, i just think Jeff is insane, also business classes are fake

@davidtownsend8875

7 күн бұрын

Only I think he said that the thing which was "in the bottom third" was his 78% score on a particular test. The real problem in all this misery was that the statistics and calculus in such school classes have nothing fundamental to do with economics, as I understand it. I have read Smith and Ricardo and Mill and Keynes and Marx and von Mises and Silvio Gesell and Henry George and Hayek and John Ruskin, and they rely on no such stuff.

@GalliadII

7 күн бұрын

I study economic science in Germany. Bottom third means failed here. I had a course which of 400 students who took it, only had 60 pass.

@lo433

2 күн бұрын

@@davidtownsend8875 Marx is GIGA-underrated

@jp-ui6qg

Күн бұрын

I have had eng classes where the highest grade was a 78. and no curve so you just have to be happy with the B

It seems that Jeff ran into the issue of sig figs lmao 😂

@DiamondKingStudios

Ай бұрын

I had to learn about significant figures for my tenth grade chemistry class, and my teacher made it more annoying than it had to be, frankly.

@rez505

Ай бұрын

​@@DiamondKingStudios yeah for sure... it's an annoying but necessary system to deal with

@imbadatgames568

Ай бұрын

hate sig figs, damn near failed high school chemistry because of them

@josephrupsis4623

Ай бұрын

Hate sig figs

@jessicaHHHHHH

Ай бұрын

I lost so many points because of sig figs in high school. You’d think I’d make the effort to do them properly after unnecessarily lowering my grade, but I was still technically getting the right answers, and I didn’t believe that adding too many numbers to my answer could be a bad thing. That segment was exactly how I felt at the time.

6:40 The professor was correct to round to 0.763. It's not "an inane rounding scheme" but the standard rules of significant figures. "0.763..." with an ellipsis is wrong though, but it's doubtful the professor actually wrote that.

@itspfaff

19 күн бұрын

the title of the video is correct

@Therealpro2

19 күн бұрын

Yeah. Use "≈" and round the number. Never I have seen number being truncated in math. But I'm european, so it could be just one of those american things. Edit: Actually, I do remember using truncation in math, but that was in 3rd grade and we moved pretty fast over to rounding numbers and never truncating Edit 2: also "an inane rounding scheme", if you're truncating then you're not rounding so... huh? or are you saying rounding is too hard for you? Also truncating has the possibility to introduce bigger error than rounding

@whydowehavethesehandles

18 күн бұрын

Yeah I would've rounded this way to

@Sjoerd1993

18 күн бұрын

I’ve got a PhD in material physics, and I got the exact same reaction. Rounding to the appropriate amount of sig figs *is* the correct standard procedure, truncating the answer without rounding is wrong. I’d give some minor points off as well if a student handed it to me like that. Especially if they keep repeating the same truncating scheme in subsequent assignments.

@Byssbod

18 күн бұрын

.763 and ".762..." Should both be valid answers though, as the ... implies additional digits in the answer. So there should have been no markdown.

I double majored in aerospace engineering and economics. I found it funny how wildly the difficulty of economics electives varied and how students self-selected into them. Advanced econometrics was legitimately rigorous and some of the smartest students I met in college were in that class. At the other end of the spectrum, the hardest part of international finance was not slamming my head into my desk when one of my brain dead classmates struggled with the ridiculously basic math in that class (literally if you know that 1-1=0, you’d be fine). I have no idea how some of the people in that class got into college much less passed the calculus prerequisites.

@ladyalicent705

18 күн бұрын

How they got in: “Donation to institutions is a form of free speech! 🤡”

@onurbikic

3 күн бұрын

Problem about this guy he did not took an Econ class or been on same class with econ students, he was in Business Econ, with business students.

Im doing a major in econ, and i have classes with a lot of business people. They genuinely scare me, I do not think they have souls behind their eyes. And Im studying a lot more administrative stuff than actual econ I want to put my arm in a meat grinder so I can focus on the physical pain instead of the much less bearable mental pain Im going through

@FatherGoz

Ай бұрын

If you're early on in the major don't worry, it does get better when you get into more applied topics. If you're more math minded try to get into a microecon class or econometrics. Any class on the IT side that will teach you how to use R or Python. Get into something like International Econ for less math but more "why does this happen" critical thinking. And for the love of god do an internship or two. You need that to get an actual job using your degree quickly.

@pigeon_9161

Ай бұрын

@@FatherGoz thx your comment is really reassuring

@Koyomix86

Ай бұрын

I’m glad that where I’m majoring in Econ doesn’t have a business school

@sidd8257

Ай бұрын

Like the other guy said the classes tend to get actual meat on their bones later on. There are some genuinely hard classes in Econ majors later on, especially if you have a somewhat tough econometrics prof. Money and Banking for example was ROUGH, or I'm stupid idk. There are still some baby easy electives at higher level though - game theory was baby easy for me but pretty much EVERYONE got bad grades on those tests somehow. Your peers will kinda get better too. Some who weren't ready for it select out and you will learn which ones are worth hanging around, either because they try even if they're not smart or they're smart and can help you with things too As a double major in Finance and Econ about to graduate, things are the same way on the Finance side too. I've had amazing classmates that I would want to be friends with if I wasn't busy with my own. Group projects are the worst though. I also had a guy who did literally nothing for a large chunk of the class in my 2-person group project based class last semester. It close to ruined my homecoming and semester because of the work that got shipped off to me. He later put on his resume that he put 40 hours a week into THAT ONE CLASS, and got into law school with that banger experience -.- Anyway try to take the non-business version of classes if your schedule allows, and diversify your classes. My program let me take a bunch of math (not enough for a minor though), stats, and some Python along the way. Your bosses will be impressed by the fact you know what an integral is (this really happened at an internship, it's not a theoretical), or you'll be a bit ahead of the curve for grad school if you go that route, if you know about Finance at all I'm doing CFA level II right now and really happy I did some of the "harder" electives before it Anyway I was bored and typed this hopefully you find some fulfilment in your major and make money

@user-ky2rk8tp5g

Ай бұрын

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If you're so fucking clever, then why couldn't you figure out what the professor wanted? I'd bet you were just too damn smug to read their handouts.

@bayleev7494

2 күн бұрын

have... have you never taken a class with obtuse and impossibly harsh assignments/markers?

As an Econ student, I kinda want to defend myself by saying how Econ and business are different, and business students have little business being students, but on the other hand we just make things up and point to graphs. Most likely that was a statistics class for business students, getting into econometrics gets pretty fun using statistical methods to explain real life trends!

@redstoneactive6589

Ай бұрын

(my first instinct was to type "NERD") I think that fun part is a lot better used by things that aren't just an economics degree.

@user-li4ye8nn4c

Ай бұрын

tbf as an econ major a lot of my major classes were pretty bad too. I think all of the social sciences suffer from really awful intro classes that straight up teach myths and completely sidestep explaining method. You have to get to upper level stuff and econometrics for it to get good.

@connor9024

Ай бұрын

@@user-li4ye8nn4c I’m not too sure how your school is. At mine, ALL business students have to take 2 Econ classes. Many students struggle with these classes because you’re right, the early classes throw a lot of hoopla at you with little to no math and expect you to just believe everything they say. By the time in your undergraduate you reach econometrics, you’re working beside the schools PHD candidates, as it’s a prerequisite for them to enter into their programs. Vast differences from where you start your degree and where you finish it with ECON. That being said, we still sound like lunatics anytime someone says anything about present value.

@uignireddngfiurdsgfiurdse

Ай бұрын

Believe me, it's the intellectual bankruptcy of your discipline that's permitting the drooling idiots in business schools to justify their conclusions.

@lwrcse-uj4oi

29 күн бұрын

@@connor9024 Basically arts courses seem to be like this. History 201 is so much easier than my girlfriends 400-500 level history courses, it's actually shocking. Everyone takes HTST201 and is like "oh history is easy" then in one course my partner ended up writing 1500 words a week. Same happened to me with Econ, 201 was an easy A, now I'm doing econometrics, intermediate micro and macro and about half the class for these courses (and the ones after) will drop out.

6:48 are you sure he wasnt just rounding the number? but taking off five points looks exessive to me

@alfredwaldo6079

Ай бұрын

Yup, 781 / 1024 = 0,7626953125. So there is definitely a good reason too round up. You often need to be as exact as possible

@ethanrutevillarreal1506

Ай бұрын

@@alfredwaldo6079 No, "..." means truncated, not rounded.

@alfredwaldo6079

Ай бұрын

@@ethanrutevillarreal1506 yeah

@adbon6279

Ай бұрын

Sure... if the dots werent there. You dont round and THEN put dots after it, cause then thats just an objectively different answer. Realistically jeff shoulda just rounded, but also rounding 2/3 to .7 is criminal.

@ndrew9567

Ай бұрын

@@adbon6279 i mean thats what sig figs are for, you have a system to determine if you round from the tenths, hundredths, or whatever place and its consistent. ok normal rule of thumb i learned in stats is to go 4 places past the decimal point so you can say 76.27% in this example instead of 76.3% and the whole thing with the dots is just objectively wrong but there is a system (that the prof only half followed)

Such an academic snob lmao

@AB-et6nj

12 сағат бұрын

Like most of the comment section

As a particle physicist, that "normalizing the data" procedure is probably, but not garuntee to be bullshit. On one hand, maybe he didn't trust that you had graphed it right. Or there was something wrong with measuring those two points. But there should have been a short follow-on study to CHECK that they were mistakes. So I'm inclined to believe he was just bullshitting.

@trollinape2697

Ай бұрын

How much maths is there in particle physics?

@dereisenadler6717

Ай бұрын

@@trollinape2697right now, I have taken up to vector calculus, am taking ordinary differential equations rn, have to take linear algebra and partial differential equations over the summer, and complex variables with applications sometime in the future.

@kaizetam6931

Ай бұрын

In chemical engineering lab analysis, it's the norm to remove any "outliers", since there could be human error involved during tests

@nullinf

Ай бұрын

@@trollinape2697 a lot

@michaels.3709

Ай бұрын

​@@trollinape2697 Highly dependent on whether you work on the theory side or the experiment side. Both will require you to do physics PhD coursework, so you'll definitely need to know graduate-level maths while getting the degree, since almost all physics coursework is theory. (Of note for folks that want to search for more info, "particle physics" and "high energy physics" [HEP] are used pretty exchangeably these days since most particle physics is done at high energy collider experiments). In practice, Particle Theory is the continuation of the PhD coursework. My understanding is that knowing things like group theory, Lie algeabras, and other advanced maths is critical, as this is the foundation of quantum field theory, (which, itself, underpins all of modern particle physics). I'm sure the maths specializes as you begin to focus on a specific thesis project and career interests. On the experiment side (where I currently am), it's a mixed bag. Phenomenology is a very theory-adjacent subfield where physicists will model how specific theoretical particles will decay/interact with specific detector components and try to understand the specific signatures there. My understanding is there's a lot of field theory used here, too. Doing physics analysis from collision data (or calibration work, or precision measurements), you will typically learn a bit of quantum field theory at the PhD level, but the research is mostly statistics. My thesis is a particle search analysis and I haven't touched actual particle physics in a few years (and need to go and review things like the Feynman rules, etc for my defense). I still do a lot of math, but mostly I do statistics calculations and I write programs, so the computer actually does the math. Still need to know how to do the math, though, to know what you need to calculate. Most important things to understand are Bayesian statistics, likelihood functions, and how maximum likelihoods are calculated. Also, propagation of uncertainties, and knowing how to calculate both statistical and systematic uncertainties is key. Then you have hardware work, where you actually build detector components, solder chips into PCBs, write firmware for FPGAs, etc. If you work with a group that does any hardware development work, you can get exposure to a lot of different projects. How much maths are actually used varies. I've never done hands-on hardware development, but usually you're involved in both the fabrication/testing as well as the design, so there will definitely be math used in the design portion. I have done some FPGA work, and that's all programmable logic and binary arithmatic, so you'll need to know at least some basic algebra for that. Most of the FPGA stuff is doing signal processing calculations, though, so that'll require calculus and an understanding of things like Fourier Transforms, etc. Overall, quite a bit of maths for particle physics. If you know the kind of work you want to do (and what skills you'd like to learn), it's likely there's a project in HEP that will teach you those and more. The trick is finding a group doing the kind of work you want!

To be fair equating business Econ to real Econ is akin to a high schooler saying “math is easy” after enrolling in the special needs version of the class

@redstoneactive6589

Ай бұрын

the only hard part about econ is remembering formulas and jargon.

@Zer0Blizzard

Ай бұрын

Ask a macro econ professor to explain why the United States isn't a govt controlled economy, and use that as the litmus test for how drooling they are.

@jacksonferguson2847

Ай бұрын

@@Zer0Blizzard "government controlled economy"? What are you on my guy?

@travislyonsgary

Ай бұрын

​@@jacksonferguson2847 They are noting its not a command economy

@user-ux8xl6qd1c

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@Zer0Blizzard probably because the U.S. isn’t communist and or doesn’t use a command economy cause they are the most infamously difficult part of establishing communism due to the fact the the amount of factors in a economy are almost boundless and individual economist no matter how intelligent wouldn’t be able to fulfill the wants and needs of every individual participating. This isn’t even a economics question it’s a political one like asking why didn’t the the Chinese nationalist just crush the communist during the long march. Their are to many factors such as the stock market existing the U.S. being founded with free market ideals and the Cold War causing the U.S. to double down on those ideals. Your question is 1 not their field 2 proposes a far fetched reality 3 is politically charged. If you asked me something like that I would look at you dumbfounded to due to the complete lack of relevancy.

„econ students are too lazy so they use random number generators“ proceeds to show example of a physics student doing exactly that

@quasimodo1914

14 күн бұрын

That was hilarious

I had an exchange year at an Ivy league, in my first sem I took 5 classes, 4 of them were graduate level, 3 in EE and one in Physics, the fifth one was a freshman econ class. I got straight A'a in the EE and Physics classes and a B in the econ class because of how dumb everything was. Every time I'd go to the professor and say "oh, that's illogical" he'd shut me off and say you don't know what you're talking about. The logic and the math was completely absurd. Not to mention he had to spend 15~25 minutes per class explaining the quadratic equation. I was just very disappointed that these kids were the ones that will get job offers on silver platters while I will work my ass off just to get a small offer because I was from a third world country and not from an Ivy like them.

@honkhonk8009

Ай бұрын

Facts. Dude I hated Econ. Got an A- on it SOMEHOW even though I thought I failed it. The econ that I learn in class, is nothing like the Econ I learn from KZread. I thought I was gonna be learning stuff like Bachelier processes. Maybe some cool math shit. But nah.

@bananaraptor7747

Ай бұрын

@@honkhonk8009"Cool math shit" You are so incredibly deserving of your engie pfp.

@SM16Basketball

Ай бұрын

That fact that you can’t distinguish between economics and finance is maybe why you got an A-, not because of the class being stupid

@SeaScoutDan

Ай бұрын

Yes boss, you want to me to round this way, fine whatever. If they want to round to 3 sigg figs, I write out 4 sig figs, then round to 3.

@wassim1sameh800

Ай бұрын

@@SeaScoutDan As an EE I can safely say they round stuff worst than engineer and physicists. An engineer would round up to a nearest decimal according to their calculation - pi = 3, e = 2, and g = 10, a physicist would round up to get an order of magnitude - assume the cube is a sphere, and econs round up to the nearest non-scary-looking number

You worked in academic physics research without understanding significant figures? Gotta side with the professor on that rounding thing. That's entirely on you.

@ssiipp7848

16 күн бұрын

Yeah, I took high school level physics and the first thing they did was teach us about significant figures.

@JohnNelson1

15 күн бұрын

Now I don't have to post this!

@bayleev7494

2 күн бұрын

the presence of an ellipsis implies more numbers, meaning it's categorically incorrect to round the ones you already have

@rightwingsafetysquad9872

2 күн бұрын

@@bayleev7494 Yes, but using elipses in that context is wrong.

@bayleev7494

2 күн бұрын

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 how do you know? by the sounds of it, a lot of the practice questions were basic calculus and algebra. if it were one of those questions, they would not necessarily have rounding conventions. also, and more importantly, the marker seems to have said it would have been correct to write 0.783..., meaning your logic falls apart anyway.

Maybe it's just my lack of a college education, but I'm pretty sure you always round up by 1 if the next digit is 5 or higher. Not sure about the "..." notation.

@camicus-3249

Ай бұрын

Can't say I've seen anyone write ⅔ = 0.7... before. ⅔ ≈ 0.7, sure. But never with the "..." (To be clear, I would happily write ⅔ = 0.66..., and use "..." notation often for intermediate steps of a calculation)

@rez505

Ай бұрын

in my analytical chem classes they tell us how many significant figures they want, idk if the econ prof was doing that.

@CubesAndPortals

Ай бұрын

@@camicus-3249 yeah honestly the ≈ came up a lot more, I saw the ellipses in early science classes but only until we'd covered significant figures.

@moeite7756

Ай бұрын

​@@rez505exactly this, I've never seen the ... used in proper calculations before

@stego-

Ай бұрын

id assume that if a number ends in “…” it would be truncated and not rounded. (would be weird to round if you are saying there are more digits after. the point of rounding is to cut it off)

The most accurate part of this video is that he drinks Busch light and uses Zynjamin Franklins

“I took an economics class” >you took a business economics class “Economics students are all stupid” >you don’t know how rounding numbers works

@APaleDot

24 күн бұрын

lmao

@apotatoman4862

21 күн бұрын

truncation could allow you to quickly check with your calculator without rounding that the given decimal is actually the same as the fraction

@grumpykitten4566

21 күн бұрын

Yeah like he could have added like the equivalent sign and rounded the number to 3 s.f.

@brettweiland8362

19 күн бұрын

Found the econ major

@Bookofshavings

17 күн бұрын

Its insane how delusional the video creator is; salted sour grapes, truly a cope and seethe experience.

6:16 This video is all about "me smart, they dumb" and goes on pronounce LaTex as...

@yuseifudo6075

9 күн бұрын

And? A lot of people pronounce it that way

Engineering student here. I wholeheartedly agree with the prof on the -5 points for 0.762... The three dots is what pretentious assholes do, normal people just write 0.8. Hope that helps!

@Player-pj9kt

16 күн бұрын

Normal people just write 1

@repsur5997

8 күн бұрын

Cmon bro its Just a number maybe its not correct but you can understand what he meant

I feel this is a pretty dishonest portrayal of economics. Intro courses are intro courses, this is like taking a precal course and lamenting the state of mathematics. The field is full of issues but good work is done sometimes even at an upper undergraduate level. Also economics has nothing to do with or is at most tangentially related to buisness.

@steventaylor2028

14 күн бұрын

It is not even that. The problem is that he took a business class and is confusing that with economics.

@yuehan6711

14 күн бұрын

@@steventaylor2028 He never specifies so it's hard to tell through the rant in the video lol

@SI-fv7gc

2 күн бұрын

Cope, econ and biz students are brainlets, and they're courses for neanderthals. Took a 2nd year FINC course and it was literally maths you do in Grade 10 🤣🤣🤣

@yuehan6711

2 күн бұрын

@@SI-fv7gc Finance is not on any economics track lmao, your ignorance is showing

@lo433

2 күн бұрын

@@SI-fv7gc gigacope, bro never took micro theory or metrics

I have never seen such insanity as taking an “x” out of an integral on the basis that it’s “constant to f(x)”. Is it just a number, or is this guy trying to insinuate that a whole function or variable inside an integral just doesn’t matter?

@raspberryjam

Ай бұрын

f(x) is f times bigger, so ∫xf(x)dx = ∫x(f+1)dx = (f+1)∫xdx = f+1

@someguycj

Ай бұрын

@@raspberryjam Is that assuming x=1, or does this work in the context of x being any type of function or value?

@braxbro6674

Ай бұрын

@@raspberryjam that's... not how that works

@TSSPDarkStar

Ай бұрын

@@raspberryjam Can't tell if this was supposed to be a funny meme

@jackinzbox.

Ай бұрын

@@raspberryjamCan’t believe you forgot the + C. Rookie mistake.

Glad youre taking sponsors, sure you could use the money, lol

@redditastic6711

Ай бұрын

Is this sarcasm

@itissatno

Ай бұрын

​@@redditastic6711 why would it be?

@WenGrinno

Ай бұрын

@@redditastic6711 You are *required* to believe it is from now on.

@illuminaticake4528

Ай бұрын

@@redditastic6711 in some videos of his he says things like "like and subscribe so i can pay for [x]" or something like that and he pays for his adobe creative cloud sub with youtube money

I have a a degree in Econ and this hits the nail on the head for any class that had “Business” in the name. Most of the classes I had that focused on specific concepts (Public spending, Environmental, Behavioral, etc…) had almost zero student overlap with any of the business econ courses. Half of the guys in the upper level business econ classes were some of the most brainrotted people I have ever met.

@det_tf2

26 күн бұрын

Yeah same, I was kinda looking at getting an econ major with a business emphasis but one semester in a business communications class was enough to push me away from anything business related.

In my time as a maths student, I helped some economics students (those studying actual economics that actual economists use) through their calc 2 classes in exchange for free lunches. It was all fun until one of them introduced me to his friends in _Business Economics_ and I had to explain to them what a logarithm was

@benzemamumba

27 күн бұрын

What's wrong with explaining what a logarithm is?

@hasch5756

27 күн бұрын

@@benzemamumba idk where you live but in my country school has 13 grades and you learn logarithms in 8th grade. You can barely do anything without them in the calculus portions of the five years of mandatory maths classes that follow before you can even begin to attend university, and it keeps coming up in physics and chemistry class as well. It's one of the most basic functions there are, and you should really, really at least know the derivative and the power rules before taking university classes in advanced calculus. It's like taking an astronomy elective and not knowing about the moon phases

Yeah this guy definitely seems like the annoying overachiever who complains about getting 95% on the homework.

To call them all stupid when you failed at the most basic part of a class, following the teachers instructions, is frankly really stupid

Dang dropping to 40 IQ is tough

6:51 You kinda failed a simple rounding operation on a statistics class, i don't know why are you angry at the professor...

Blood doesn't understand rounding and blames his professor

@AstridFrost-rc7wf

Ай бұрын

youre so mathematically illiterate you dont know what a recurring decimal is or how to notate it...

@APaleDot

23 күн бұрын

@@AstridFrost-rc7wf you shouldn't be using a recurring decimal when rounding

@hens0w

13 күн бұрын

@@APaleDotIts a stats class, he should round

@APaleDot

13 күн бұрын

@@hens0w Yeah, I didn't say otherwise

who doesn’t round the last sig fig of a decimal???? That’s totally fair to lose marks over

@Y.Z-Au

Ай бұрын

Exactly, you can't write 0,7626... in general. 0.12345 implies that the figure is accurate to 5 d.p. If I see that, I'd assume either you have super accurate measurement, or it's divided from very large numbers. This is misleading.

@steffenjensen422

Ай бұрын

Physicists tend to not round unless it's absolutely necessary. But he was in an econ class, so he should've done it the way econs do it

6:50 That thing with 0.762... vs 0.763 is also known as rounding. 0.76269.... can be rounded off to 3 significant figures into 0.763. Being unfamiliar with this concept feels very maths major.

@rohaisme

Ай бұрын

The issue is the rounded version still hass the ... implying that there is more numbers.

@sepro5135

Ай бұрын

Im 99% sure he knows that but 0.763… makes no sense. 0.762… or 0.763 do. That’s the point he was making

@robincray116

Ай бұрын

Significant figures is enforced in some classes. 0.7627 probably would have gotten points deducted as well.

@Y.Z-Au

Ай бұрын

@@robincray116 Exactly. 0.76269 implies that the measurement has an accuracy of 5 d.p. while 0.763 implies that the measurement was accurate to 3 d.p. The former is misleading and deserves only a partial mark.

@Y.Z-Au

Ай бұрын

Every major has its own assumptions and paradigms that look strange to outsiders. I studied three completely unrelated majors. Humility and the Principle of Charity go a long way.

Is this a satire channel? Or did he make a couple of "I'm so smart and everyone else is so dumb jokes," and his early audience loved that so his whole character is trying so hard to prove how intellectually superior he is?

Bro divided 781/1024 and didn't round so the professor took off 5%, (781/1024=.7626 unrounded). Instead of just chilling about a miscommunication or not realizing a professors expections to round. He decides that insult the professors intelligence and blast the class in front of the internet.

As Mint student: pick an ultra easy introduction class for non-mint student -> complaining its to easy and insulting idiot or weaker students which get filtered out by subjects like this -> stubborn sticking to personal preferences -> scoring medicore at the oh so easy final exam "Arrogance breeds contempt, and contempt breeds insolence."

I knew physicists were full of it, but I didn't know it was that bad.

@JoshuaGramm-ur9re

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@Runenut

29 күн бұрын

this guy is a real piece of work

@benzemamumba

27 күн бұрын

They are absolute shitlords and insufferable knuckledragging apes.

@AnonYmous-spyonmepls

20 күн бұрын

We have 3 mainstream accepted theories of the universe each contradicting each other and 2 mainstream theories to this which contradict themselves. Go figure.

@MidMarPhotography

17 күн бұрын

@@AnonYmous-spyonmepls ...That's what theories are. You can theorize that you'll crash on the way to work or be just fine. The contradictory nature of both theories doesn't say anything about the theories themselves.

I remember a lot of my peers in Engineering couldn't handle the math and physics and switched their majors to Business b/c it was way easier. Also...did you say you were in the bottom 1/3 and the curve brought you to an A-? Wow... No child left behind, indeed...

@storytimewithjeff

Ай бұрын

No child left behind is hilarious

@Mefaso09

3 күн бұрын

Yeah I was wondering about that too, wtf is going on with grade inflation in the US?

As someone who's currently taking an online macroeconomics class, it is not halving my IQ but crushing my soul.

Hey, Economics and Mathematics major here. Please stop referring to business students as "econ" students. Don't know what kind of academic swamp you study at, but economics is very very different from business. A PhD in economics requires more mathematics than an engineer would dare take, and economics majors are consistently ranked as the best prepared in top law programs. Fun video, but please rename it. Business is not economics. We do not claim the tards.

@wchristian2000

Ай бұрын

Yeah a lot of people don’t know this and its a little frustrating. Also tribalism in academia is getting out of hand imo…

@lwrcse-uj4oi

29 күн бұрын

Ah this explains my issue with the video. He probably took a business Econ course and decided the whole field was easy. This is a fair assumption but if he wants to comment on the issue he should be more informed. Our undergrad degree, unbeknownst to all the stem nerds is actually the highest paying degree as far career-net-worth goes, contrary to what the FLOTM majors think.

@wchristian2000

28 күн бұрын

@@lwrcse-uj4oi its academias best kept secret ssshhh. Also econ phds yield extremely high earnings.

@steventaylor2028

14 күн бұрын

Was about to say this. People confuse economics and business all the time. Econ students at least those who go on to grad school usually are complete math nerds knowing proof based real analysis, linear algebra, probability theory, differential equations and are mostly able to do data analysis in R or Python. Not a small portion were double majors in math or physics, and they do not find the material easy. It is already dubious to base your view on a entire academic discipline on just a couple of introductory courses. But it becomes even more ridiculous when said introductory courses are not even really related to the subject. I don't know why people confuse business and econ so often. Maybe it has to do with the fact that many business programs teach a dumbed down version of introductory economics (i.e. "business economics"), or are simply using the term "economics" as a euphemism for their business classes. It is also the case that econ undergrad education in the U.S. is very often severly lacking in rigor compared to the undergrad education in European countries, maybe that is part of the problem. In any case, the correct title for the video would be: "I Took an Business Class and It Halved My IQ"

@waxcutter9813

13 күн бұрын

I'm an accounting student and I really don't get a lot of the higher level math talked about here, am I just boned or is this not relevant to me you think?

Biz Econ is like Econ for the people who rode on the short bus when they were in school.

Pray you never have to take an MBA course. Know companies that are actively avoiding people with MBA degrees.

@anjoliebarrios8906

Ай бұрын

sauce?

@Zer0Blizzard

Ай бұрын

I would hope so, unfortunately the vast majority of companies, particularly ones controlled by rich assholes, DEFINITELY want business grads.

@darkthunder301

Ай бұрын

Why? I'd assume companies want to hire smart people?

@Solusist

Ай бұрын

@@darkthunder301 Yes, that's exactly why they want to avoid people with an MBA background.

@benzemamumba

27 күн бұрын

​@@anjoliebarrios8906source: trust me bro.

Took an economy class in high school and about 25 of the 30 students in the class did not even know, or understand the concept of PEMDAS.

@Teronix100

Ай бұрын

Well to be fair PEMDAS isn't accepted by everyone. Eg.: ab/cd = ((ab)/c)d according to PEMDAS, while a lot of people would say it is (ab)/(cd) It is a convention, that not everyone subscribes to. That is the reason for the debate about 6 / 2(1+2) = 1 or 9

@SenhorAlien

Ай бұрын

​@@Teronix100There is no debate, there are the people who are right and those who are wrong, easy as.

@epicchocolate1866

Ай бұрын

@@SenhorAliennah not true. It’s slightly up to interpretation and so we are careful to be more explicitly in writing

@JimBob1937

28 күн бұрын

@@Teronix100 , I wouldn't say PEMDAS isn't accepted per se. PEMDAS is correct as a convention and is used extensively. Rather, a lot don't understand that PEMDAS defines addition/subtraction and multiplication/division as equal in priority, an ambiguity. Parentheses exist and are the highest priority as they're used for disambiguation. It's up to the author to avoid ambiguous notation.

@JimBob1937

28 күн бұрын

@@SenhorAlien , those social media posts about these are actually ambiguous, and both are right, since the author intentionally left it ill-defined. It's a great viral tool for them, since people will debate each other endlessly.

Bro hasn't learned about significant digits and how to properly round numbers and is acting like he's a genius physicist lmao

Imagine complaining for 10 min about a class you took in college because you refused to learn what significant figures is.

to be fair on the round up error... my physic teacher used to take off points for not rounding up. Obviously he should've put a note on the question saying to round up the decimal at a certain but i digress.

Dude, "dot dot dot" is not how rounding works, which is what you were being tested and graded on. If your middle school teacher taught you that rounding means 'leaving numbers off that you're not reporting', s/he was wrong. 0.6666 rounded to two significant figures is 0.67. It is not 0.66. 781/1024 rounded to three significant figures is 0.763. It is not 0.762.

As an econ major I thought this was gonna be some real roast against the major itself but you ended up describing the current state of the whole research community. Yeah I guess your college is real shit and you were mad your classmates weren't as "smart" as you

This is the dude who won't shut tf up that he's in stem all through uni and then complain about his student debt while the business majors he made fun of make 6 figures.

Absolutely insufferable

6:43 the professor was actually right, you are truncating when you actually should be runding, it's the same with meaningful digits when quantifying an experiments, for example: "I find 0.255678 on my measuring tool" if you only have three digits of accuracy you should report 0.256

Blu stick > glue stick (for the business majors this is a “greater than” symbol signifying that blu stick is better [greater] than glue sticks)

I’ve always been a math person. Took a Calc class and absolutely sucked at it, but I at least knew the basics. When I heard 3:34 I felt my soul leave my body

@honkhonk8009

Ай бұрын

Lol polar opposite for me. I fucking looooved calc but took a discrete math course and got ass grades

@xinpingdonohoe3978

14 күн бұрын

​@@honkhonk8009 which of your 11 hard science PHDs was the one that you sucked at, Dell?

Watching this video halved my IQ. This video wouldn’t exist if only Jeff had learned how to round in middle school.

As a Math grad student, physicists play SO FAST AND LOOSE with axioms and assumptions when writing what they call proofs, that I’m not at all surprised to hear there’s widespread disdain for good statistical practices too.

Bro has beef with all of education

i have a teacher in high school who is EXACTLY like this. She's an english teacher, so already probably the most useless class for a senior in high school. But every time I do an assignment EXACTLY like she asked me to, shell find some petty ass reason to make my grade as low as possible. Every single day its like her class is just taking my brain to a grindstone and smoothing and polishing it out.

@ianrau6373

Ай бұрын

Report her to admin, and get as many people as possible to complain simultaneously. If possible, involve your parents and others parents. If you can find evidence of bias where similar work by you and another person were given different grades for petty reasons then she’ll be given a headache at the very least. Don’t take this lying down, it’ll never get better if you don’t complain above her head.

@1plus68hehe

Ай бұрын

@ianrau6373 nah, she hates everyone in my class equally. Also I go to a private school, so what's right isn't what happens. She knows people, and she's been here a few years now, which is longer than I have been. I'll just be labeled as a troublemaker and expelled.

@chesspiece4257

Ай бұрын

if she’s doing it to everyone maybe she’s just trying to hone your skills? if the rules are consistent at least. personally i think english is probably one of the most important classes you can take as a senior. being able to write well is good for any job

@strangevol5264

Ай бұрын

Give us some examples, that way we can know you aren’t lying. Just out of reasonable doubt

@polygontower

Ай бұрын

@@chesspiece4257 I personally find English classes one of the easiest for teachers to teach you rules and the likes that are completely and utterly useless, such as the so-called 'split infinitive'. And, perhaps another one would be marking down students who use phrases that don't form a complete sentences by themselves. I mean, phrases are used everywhere for emphasis and effect-newspapers, letters, books, etc.-that teaching them it's ungrammatical hurts their writing and is also wrong. For example, this excerpt from a novel, "Our lives took the forks and turns and twists into our own paths-into dark forests that sometimes felt impossible to survive. All leading to this moment. (Here, the phrase solely consist of a gerund-participial verb, which does not, in a traditional sense, meet the requirements for a sentence.)" Or maybe the 'rule' that conjunctions such as 'And', 'But' or 'Or' can't be used at the start of sentences. For example, this excerpt from another novel, "...spilled out in tears and screams and in heavy, pulsing silence. And somehow, as much as I hurt, I knew it was even worse for Dad." Revisions: *For your convenience, some missing words have been added back in. Some stupid issue with italics and bolded letters being deleted. And so there goes all the fancy formatting!

Bro dunks on stats classes when it was a Kalman filter, not the equations of motion, that guided the Apollo missions to the Moon

Business rounding is fun. It's kind of like physicists and data - everyone always chooses what helps them the most. Costs get rounded down, revenues get rounded up and random numbers from university problem sheets get rounded randomly.

Is your university/college suffering from horrific grade inflation? getting much above 80% is close to unheard of at my university, even among absolute top-performers.

@JosefCreations

Ай бұрын

Lol huh? I think your professors might just be wildly strict

@emilsinclair4190

Ай бұрын

I think this might be European vs US system. At least this was my experience when dealing with some European and some American students.

@U20E0

Ай бұрын

That's not how that works. If you can't get above 80 then 80 should be 100

@emilsinclair4190

Ай бұрын

@U20E0 that is not how % work.

@U20E0

Ай бұрын

@@emilsinclair4190 i mean that's not how grading should work. If no-one's getting above 80 that means the test is too hard.

> "What an idiot, not knowing x isn't constant" > pronounces it "lay-tecks"

@xinpingdonohoe3978

14 күн бұрын

Some people pronounce the first bit at "lay", others as "lar", but both point and laugh at people who don't pronounce the "x" as a "k".

@drmathochist06

14 күн бұрын

@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Or pronounce the chi as a chi!

the part about 92.5% not being the highest grade nearly made me explode. I'm sure you've heard this before, but in the UK at all stages of schooling it's rare for 70% to not give the highest grade. In rare cases, the top grade can be less than 50%. 92.5% not being top is simply insane to me, I'd love to see the difference in exam question styles.

@justsomenightowl7220

Ай бұрын

I mean, I understand it not being the highest grade, but bottom third?? What kind of statistic classes are you getting? Everyone passes with an A???

@pooperdooper3576

Ай бұрын

​@justsomenightowl7220 the *exam grade* (the 78%) was bottom third of the class, not his final grade of that whole class, which was a 92.5%

@josephvictory9536

Ай бұрын

Yea, the english system is way harder. I cant speak for the university level, but i did both high school in an english and canadian system. I was laughing with every math question in the Canadian system and averaged a bit over 90%. Which is also harder than the US system by the way. Whereas i was fighting for over 70% in the English system. I used to think i was just retarded, then i realized why Americans think they are so smart!

@alexritchie4586

Ай бұрын

​@@justsomenightowl7220No, it's all graded on a curve, so it's as unlikely for someone here in the UK to score 75% as it would be someone in the US scoring 95%. Basically you can lop off the remaining 30% because unless you found and answered the secret, hidden questions, 70% is 100%

@epicchocolate1866

Ай бұрын

@@josephvictory9536it’s funny though how England performs considerably worse in OECD testing, then both Canada and the US. Complicating math doesn’t mean you learn it better.

As an economist myself, I feel an urge to argue. My IQ was actually halved even before I started studying it.

yeah yeah business/econ bad STEM good can I have some likes thx

It looks like that professor was docking points for not following the standard useage for significant figures, but not explaining it either

Your professor is right about correcting your rounding mistake. Maybe you're not so out of place with the glue eaters

the ... is due to rounding to the nearest significant figures.

@TrevorHammill

Ай бұрын

if you round it, you no longer have the ellipsis, as there are no more digits after your rounding. That is literally the point of rounding.

@APaleDot

Ай бұрын

@@TrevorHammill Right, so why was he answering with ellipses when he was supposed to round?

@hx5525

Ай бұрын

@@APaleDotYup, too stubborn to change

@TrevorHammill

Ай бұрын

@@APaleDot the point he made in the video is that the professor corrected him to rounding AND keeping the ellipsis, which is clearly wrong. And also, without expectation of rounding, some people might default to just dumping the numbers. Not the way I'd do it, but valid if there's no other instruction.

@duarpeto

12 күн бұрын

​@@TrevorHammillI honestly don't understand this take, like, the professor didn't *write* '0.763...', he just corrected the number to be rounded because that's the correct answer. It's obvious what the mistake was, crossing out the ellipsis would make it clearer but it's unnecessary

I was in a lecture earlier today and a person in front of me was asking Wolfram-Alpha what 36-24 and 2.4-1.2 were, and similar questions. It was a sustainabile engineering lecture.

@honkhonk8009

Ай бұрын

I mean tbf dude im not pulling out my calculator when I already got my laptop out lol. My entire google search history, is just polluted with stupid ass searches like "6 + 7" lol

@michaelwong426

Ай бұрын

Because when you're integrating, differentiating, proofing, or whatever.. You really can't be bothered with arithmetic anymore.

@My_Old_YT_Account

Ай бұрын

​@@honkhonk8009you know your computer has a calculator, right?

@pooperdooper3576

Ай бұрын

​@honkhonk8009 the point is that he needed a calculator at all for 36-24 and 2.4-1.2

@braydonfisher9273

Ай бұрын

@@pooperdooper3576 exactly. I can understand not wanting to do bigger multiplication or arithmetic but something small like that? Its just odd.

Buddy couldn't round and went to produce a youtube video on it

Meh, rounding is a pretty reasonable expectation when you’re truncating data

Statistics taught me two things: one, how easy it is to manipulate any set of data, and two, never trust anything ever again.

@stankyt5882

11 күн бұрын

Me shifting my data just to get a silly p value down from 0.1 to 0.051 (I need it to look believable)

>Claims to be a STEM student >Calls all economics student dumb >Doesn't know what rounding is

@ssiipp7848

16 күн бұрын

Typical STEM superiority

@jacksonsmith2955

14 күн бұрын

>Has a physics degree >Calls all economics students dumb >Knows the difference between rounding and truncation Yup, he seems about right.

Big words for someone who literally struggles with Calculus III.

The real sad part is that a large percentage of finance professionals who blow up the market every few years are actually physics majors rather than econ majors, probably because while econ majors can’t do math or stats, physics majors just ignore these when the results doesn’t work out the way they want it.

Sorry, but your professor is correct on the number. The digit after the 2 is a 6 and you round up if it‘s a 5 or higher.

Here in France it’s standard to round numbers like that without putting three dots afterwards, it’s just more convenient

That same student later circled x with an annotation saying "right here" when asked to find x.

@xinpingdonohoe3978

14 күн бұрын

It's better than him looking through his phone, wondering why the teacher wanted the number of his ex.

>Complains about his classmates lack of basic math skills >doesn't understand rounding up >womp wom

A joke from my student days. What class do you take if economics is too difficult; business; what class do you take if business is too difficult. Marketing

You think you're smart but couldn't be bothered to ask about the professor's tolerance/rounding scheme?