Now I wonder what other hyped, mythical, elusive tools and materials are just hogwash 😬… Let me know in the comments what else you would like to see put under my skeptical microscope!

@AlpayEfe

Жыл бұрын

That’s a bargain 😂

@B1ackDahlia767

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, all of the lapis lazuli is like this, no matter the medium, no matter the brand. Believe it or not, that Schmincke tube you have there is actually one of the more pigment-saturated versions there is. Usually, it's mostly binder and fillers.

@BuzzkillZone

Жыл бұрын

Is Mosou Black useful for painting. It is supposed to be about as black a black you can get.

@WintersKnight546

Жыл бұрын

$200 Blockx Amber Painting Solution and Blockx Amber Varnish

@SIMPLIFYDrawingandPainting

Жыл бұрын

Michael Harding "Chinese vermillion" made with real Mercuric Sulphide (highly Toxic). Goes for £90 for a 40ml tube.Just because old masters used it doesn't make it superior. Unless you are a restorer, why use it today when there are better cheaper pigments available?

So usually paint manufacturers don’t get the pigment from the pigment refining process because it’s too lengthy and expensive. Instead they grind up the entire stone and mull it into paint. It’s far cheaper and that’s also why it turns up so pithy and weak. Ultramarine is chemically identical to Lapis Lazuli which is why we use it, because it’s far cheaper to get the pigment from synthetic ultramarine than from genuine lapis lazuli

@questgivercyradis8462

Жыл бұрын

This matches my rant on the minerals side of it - the lazurite in lapis is the blue part, but the whole rock isn't pure. A synthetic could be!

@jspohl

Жыл бұрын

I’d love to see a handmade version and think it would be wonderful in glazes according to old masters but as with anything the magic ingredient is love and joy. 🦋✨

@tinayanotitinaro7569

Жыл бұрын

Synthetics aren’t as brilliant but they work.

@DustyMusician

Жыл бұрын

@@tinayanotitinaro7569 Ultramarine is chemically identical to lapis lazuli. You’re falling for the hype here.

@tinayanotitinaro7569

Жыл бұрын

@@DustyMusician is it really

Lapis lazuli is meant to be glazed over a blue underpainting (different values of blue and white) that uses a less expensive blue. The result is brilliant.

@pollyester6627

Жыл бұрын

Ah, the method of application, an important note. Similar to using a low chroma red as underpaint then glazing with a brilliant transparent red. For example, Vermeer's 'Girl with a Red Hat.'

@Lily-2019

Жыл бұрын

Why are we not told this from its makers. And is that the way it has always been used? (The old Masters etc)

@pollyester6627

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily-2019 Most markers probably don't know such procedures, they want you to use it up and purchase more. And yes, the old masters understood the abilities and 'personalities' of their limited available pigments.

@Lily-2019

Жыл бұрын

@@pollyester6627 Interesting. THANKYOU

@lisengel2498

Жыл бұрын

I am always curious about color and the different brands, …. But you really must try a color to feel the possibilities it Can have for your painting. I never Trier Lapis Lazuli. My favorite blues are French ultramarine blue and cerulean blue 🩵🦋💙

Alpay: "The most well known example of use of lapis lazuli.." My brain: "Minecraft, of course!" Alpay: "...is the Girl With The Pearl Earring." My brain: "Yes, of course it is! That's what I was thinking about too.."

@AlpayEfe

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@sssshhhhh45

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha same 😂

@lynetteclark

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking of all it's witchy properties 😂

@shawnholbrook7278

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking ancient books, but yes, Minecraft also. 😁

@davidsantiago-bonilla3442

Жыл бұрын

Nope, thought first of the Virgin Mary

It's not enough to mix crushed lapiz with oil to make paint. The impurities have to be removed. Cennini used a process of adding the crushed lapis powder to a heated mixture of mastic, rosin, and beeswax and letting it cool. Then he softened the mixture in warm water and kneaded it with his hands in the water. The blue pigment comes out in the water, and the impurities stayed behind in the wax & resin mixture.

@cameronscottcairney8852

Жыл бұрын

thank you for that bit!

@etienne7774

Жыл бұрын

According to Michael Harding, who also produces this color, the story in false, meant to take you down the wrong path. He has article on this.

@juliesczesny90

Жыл бұрын

That's the crazy, expensive way, to justify insane pricing.

@sandfly60

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@etienne7774 watch a video on how they extract the pigment, and then decide.

@anoccasionaldream

9 сағат бұрын

​@@etienne7774is Michael Harding paint is real? I was told it's synthetic 🤷🏻‍♀️ also it has just pb29 ultramarine blue number on it and real lapis lazuli doesn't have index number

I made my own. I got a large piece of Afghani Lapis and crushed it, then powdered it and mixed it with some linseed oil, walnut oil, and/or poppy oil. I only mix up enough paint for a few weeks, but my guess is that I could make 4-5 times the amount of paint in that tube for less than $100. There’s something very satisfying about making your own paint and if you get your lapis (or other mineral) ground to a fine powder, you can store it that way forever.

@immkk1125

Жыл бұрын

crushing the stone isn’t enough to get the vibrant blue color the people from centuries ago used to praise so much. the reason why you get so much paint is because it’s mainly made of impurities and oil, the pigment itself is virtually nonexistent. to get the best results, after crushing the stones into super fine powder, ideally by milling it in water for a few days, you need to extract it using a mixture of melted beeswax and other ingredients. when melting these ingredients, you add the stone powder, then after mixing the entire thing into a paste, you let it dry for a bit. the extraction part comes next: you take big buckets filled wit hot water, then take you hardened blue wax, you submerge it in the water and basically kneed it for a while until the paste loses its blue color and turns gray. you’ll notice that while squeezing the wax, the blue pigment will start running into the water. after you’re done with the entire wax, congratulations you have acquired what’s almost 100% pure pigment sitting in your bucket. dry you pigment then make your paint using it, you’ll notice a huge difference in the vibrancy of your paint

@SPQRKlio

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t use the method the other commenter mentioned, just washed and filtered repeatedly over the course of a day. I didn’t get a lot, but the resulting blue is spectacular. All the more so because I made it myself and love the history behind it.

@JSGilbert

Жыл бұрын

@Imm Kk I use Afghani lapis, which is a vibrant blue and I selected pieces that had little quartz or pyrite. The blue, I can assure you, is quite vibrant and striking. I don't think it is at all necessary in today's world, but I did it as part of an exercise where I followed old world recipes. This included using homemade gesso and rabbit hide glue, Lead white, Maroger's formula, etc.

@hellomate639

3 ай бұрын

​@@JSGilberti also grabbed some pure stuff. It's very very blue, looking forward to testing it.

@MossyMozart

3 ай бұрын

To the posters here, it sounds like wonderful color you have achieved.

Back in the olden days when Lapis Lazuli was used, bright colours (which were often very expensive) were used as thin glazes over grisaille. They weren't mixed with other colours.

@juliesczesny90

Жыл бұрын

Look at my reply, on Vermeer, above. Yes, he mixed it heavily with other colors.

@MrKongatthegates

6 ай бұрын

That and how slow glazing is is a reason most people never bother with it anymore, modern paints made traditional methods kind of obsolete

@idunnoalaska5071

20 күн бұрын

@@juliesczesny90not titanium white. Not cadmium yellow.

This colour was likely used as many glazed layers to build up the colour and intensity. Comparing it that way with ultramarine would be very interesting

@PinchePuercaVato

Жыл бұрын

This comment is underrated. The method this pigment was painted with was layering like old masters. Additionally, there were hardly any blue pigments at this time, so this is primarily one of the reasons it was so valuable throughout history.

@danielmchugh9386

Жыл бұрын

Carlzen is right. I’ve used Lapis Lazuli with Tempura painting over a grisaille and you can achieve a solid effect with many layers of glazing

@jant4741

Жыл бұрын

Rather poor exploration of the medium? Useless for the way he paints, certainly. No thinning or layering. I’m into water color and adore the well tempered moody nature of stone pigments. The thrill of painting with semi precious jewels! I find they require a different approach/expectations/color combinations. He did buy from Schmincke where nothing is ‘economical’ unless caught on sale. . ❤Schmincke!

@nelsonx5326

Жыл бұрын

An undercoat of other kinds of blue.

@JasonTabile

Жыл бұрын

I agree. You have to build up the colors to achieve the effect you want. What's more, lapis lazuli should only be reserved for use in painting the Virgin's cloak, a celestial heavenly background, or a turban that is destined to be the "Mona Lisa of the North", not some pedestrian parrot. That's why it's not working and it's sacrilegious! I'm just joking! 😆

You should judge the pigment like this by making your own paint. Oil paint manufacturers will stretch a pigment like this out way too far making its tinting strength almost non-existent. Less pigment, less strength. Although there is no comparison to the synthetic potent ultramarine or the king of power blues Phthalo.

@sarah.weaver

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this. I assume this tube has such a drastic dilution of the true pigment. Id like to see someone have the powdered our pigment, and make their own

Ive run into this before, what i discovered is that the expense in the past was not the stone but the preparation of the stone. Modern manufacturers like schminke or daniel smith just grind up lapiz lazuli and mix it with a binder. To make the beautiful ultramarine of the old masters requires a much more in depth grinding and washing process to eliminate the impurities and increase the intensity of the pigment.

@davefletch3063

4 ай бұрын

Lapis was always an expensive stone

Isn't Lapis Lazuli so rare because blue is the rarest natural pigment? Even plants and animals that appear blue don't contain any blue pigmentation. So Lapis Lazuli is one of the few sources of natural blue pigment.

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Its that expensive because its extracted from the semiprecious stone. All throughout history were there werent any other options it was viable. In XIX century with the appearance of chemically synthetized and cheaper colors: Cobalt, ultramarine, pthalo, etc that changed. Painting with lapizlazuli nowadays is more a novelty than a practical thing.

@pollyester6627

Жыл бұрын

@ Azurite, rather unstable as a pigment was used as blue going back to ancient Egypt.

@juliesczesny90

Жыл бұрын

Blue, is why LED TVs were held up!

@daludna

9 ай бұрын

yup, and back in the day, that pigment was the only way one could paint blue (ignore egyptian blue cause that a longer history) also it was never mixed.

@AFAskygoddess

4 ай бұрын

That makes sense. There are very few granites that have any blue color in them, and those slabs cost a fortune.

I think you are missing the reason why it was valuable...as a pigment that was permanent blue was a rarity...often used as a glaze...not as a solid colour...it has wonderful luminosity when glazed...the benefit of modern ultramarine is has both properties of transparency and a more solid pigment...I would not necessarily say is is overrated. Historically it was valuable...blue was one of the important colours necessary to bring volume and completeness to paintings. Historically it was a valuable resource. it is valuable only now due to its rarity and difficulty in obtaining as most if not all comes from Afghanistan whose history of a warring country has made obtaining it difficult. It may not be used much now but for restoration it is important. .

@MossyMozart

3 ай бұрын

It was also extremely important in painting the clothing in religious pictures.

This make me think. Back in the day when masters had to make their own paints because there weren't convenient art supply stores. It would have taken a long time to make a painting with Lapis Lazuli. First they have to grind the stone themselves and make their paint. Then they would have to paint one layer at a time and wait for it to dry, then paint another layer, repeat to the intensity desired. That is actually the origin of the phrase of "A master never blames his tools." because back in the day, the master made his own tools. It is perfectly fine to buy a pigment and blame it for being worthless.

@juliesczesny90

Жыл бұрын

Art Apprentices made the paint, who wanted to be trained by the Masters, who were the original Art Schools!

I don't use oil paints, so my exposure to Lapis Lazuli is through watercolors. We've become very used to Ultramarine's intensity. I suspect one of the reasons it has the reputation for "most expensive" comes from it have been used in huge quantities to get the results that classical artists got. I think, tho, that the price of Yinmin blue is substantially more expensive, now, than Lapis, yes?

@AlpayEfe

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it is but I might be wrong… it’s probably useless too 😂

@toshabeans

Жыл бұрын

Love to see yinmin blue tested

@kate-mq2fz

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I use watercolour and have never tried oil, so throughout the video I kept wondering how the lapis lazuli would work in a watercolour paint, and if its transparency would be less of a problem. My local art store does have the Schmincke lapis limited edition but it was too pricey for me to even consider it. What is your opinion of lapis as a watercolour pigment? Thanks!

@tiagodagostini

Жыл бұрын

No. It was expensive because it was made by grinding a precious stone. Ultramarine is the same chemical composition, so EXACTLY same pigment, but made chemically, so no precious stone grinded. That was the whoel reason why ultramarine was created, to find a cheap alternative to lapisazuli.

@kate-mq2fz

Жыл бұрын

@@tiagodagostini OK, thanks! You've just saved me good money.

When Lapus Lazuli was used as a blue in painting, our modern colors did not yet exist. At the time, the paint was probably meant to be layered rather than mixed. That would have been the best way to experience it's intensity. Prussian blue, and Ultramarine blue date from the 19th century, and Phthalo blue (Phthalocyanine) is from the early twentieth century. Like you said, Ultramarine is much better, and that is pretty much why it was developed.

I saw someone swatching Michael Harding Lapis Lazuli which is likely the highest quality without extra fillers and it was quite transparent which makes me think it’s best suited to many layers of traditional glazing to build up a jewel like luminosity. Manufacturers did a good turn all the same when they invented ultramarine which is better for impasto and they have been doing it with other colours like reds intended for cars too! 🦋✨🚗✨🖌

@pollyester6627

Жыл бұрын

True of many transparent colors, perfect for glazing. Right, thanks to the automotive industry for the many permanent high chroma modern pigments.

Well the price is not related to quality of color, but to the effort to get it. You need to import lapis lazuli from Afghanistan - that's a hurdle I imagine, and for each stone you get less than 1% of usable pigment in it. I would like to see comparison of this shminke with michael harding lapis lazuli oil paint, and self made one using oil and pure pigment. But that could exceed video budget :D

@peepopalaber

5 ай бұрын

harding is less pigment rich. and lapis lazuli is also avaible from chile.

@pawehordyniak636

5 ай бұрын

@@peepopalaberI can hardly believe that harding is less pigmented then shminke, especialy recently shiminke is more on the disappointing side.

I'm fond of schmincke horadam lapis lazuli, I bought 2 years ago and used till the end of the small tube, and you know, it's such a shame is discontinued! I recently bought the Daniel Smith one and it's different for shade and texture, but I really love it as well. The hue is not rich blue, nor super pigmented, there's an article from Daniel Smith founder explaining it's uniqueness, after the concerns expressed by a professional watercolor artist.

I’m a restorer. Lapis Lazuli was NEVER mixed with other colors or used thickly on its own. The underpainting was mostly grisaille, meaning “black and white”, or brown and white. Lapis lazuli was glazed over. Lapis lazuli was almost always only used in the drapery of Madonnas….because it was expensive and “deserving”! It’s a shame that artists these days don’t learn anything about technique and science of materials.

Imagine saving money to buy this expensive paint expecting it to be the best paint ever and then you're just completely disappointed because it sucks 😱😭 I would probably start crying 😅🙈

I think the softness and grayness of it is simply what makes it so beautiful. Similar to how terre verte is often a very weak color. Is it worth it? Probably not, but it doesn't mean it can't be a wonderfull pigment :)

Synthetic diamonds may be just as genuine and beautiful as ones that took millions of years to form and French ultramarine was a colour that was revolutionary and wonderful but there is a history and spiritual quality to the original that is worth appreciating. It’s all in eye of the beholder as with anything or anyone we love. 💖 I’d love to see how it would work in glazes. It may shine like a jewel in layers or traditional glazing but it could be too that that formulation wasn’t as intense as it would be hand made. And it may depend on if you are a luxury lover or not. Some people think a hundred thousand dollar handbag is worth every penny and for them that is true.

@juliesczesny90

Жыл бұрын

Crush it, shove it into a synthetic Ultramarine, you got me!

There is man in EU who brought back the violet color of the Roman times by rediscovering it’s extraction method. That paint is expensive because it’s takes months to make lol

Makes you appreciate the old classics all the more for pulling off those paintings with a watery challenging media.

PHEW. I am an AVID fan of genuine ultramarine/lapis lazuli, so I can tell you a little bit about what I know about it. So lapis lazuli is an expensive mineral to source. The highest quality stone coming from mines in Afghanistan. Though, the stone is just one reason why it's so expensive. The pigment is made from crushing up the stone into smaller and smaller particles; however, if you crush it too small, then the color dulls. There's a "sweet spot." Once ground up, you don't just mull it into paint like you would with other mineral-derived pigments. Old methodologies involved melting together a waxy paste made of beeswax, mastic gum, and pine resin that you would mix the ground stone into and stretch into smaller sticks. This waxy mixture serves as a "sponge" trapping impurities. From THERE, once your mixture cools into a block, you knead it in warm water (with some methodologies calling for a basic pH achieved with something like lye). As you need, the final pigment is released. Each "cycle" of kneading takes HOURS, and you can do multiple rounds of kneading for each stick (though the pigment becomes less pure and takes on a grayish tone with each successive run as you start to knead out the impurities that the wax mixture was trapping). THEN you strain the water, collect the pigment, let it dry. THEN AND ONLY THEN you have your final pigment that you can mull into paint. I've done it once myself and it took about a week to go from raw stone chunks to paint. The other thing that makes it expensive is the fact that due to its chemical properties, it doesn't need much oil to be a workable paint, meaning if you want to fill a tube with it, you'll need MORE pigment in the tube than with some other colors. ALL of those things compound to make it extremely expensive to buy. That's why you'll typically see it in historical paintings reserved for the Virgin Mary's veil or other important religious/social elite figures AND why it's most often applied as glazes as opposed to being mixed in the first layers. With the development of the ultramarine blue we know today, there are VERY few companies that make it, and some of them mix our modern ultramarine into the tube as well to reduce the amount of genuine pigment they have to put into each tube (shady af). If ANY of y'all read this far, I hope you learned something or found it interesting! It's a beautiful pigment with a FASCINATING history! EDIT: After watching the video, I can say that I absolutely do not like Mussini's version of this paint. Idk how THEY made their lapis, but I have a feeling that their extraction methodology is flawed, they ground the pigment TOO finely, and/or they combined all of the pigment extractions into the same batch (as opposed to discarding the more impure final kneading extractions and only keeping the purest blue pigment). Alpay, if you'd be willing to give genuine ultramarine/lapis lazuli another shot, I will PERSONALLY go through the process of making another batch of both the oil paint AND powder pigment for you myself AND send it to you for FREE!

I just saw a makeup artist ground up a piece of lapis lazuli to see how it worked as eyeshadow the way ancient Egyptians may have used it. But mostly it makes me think of wonderful paintings of the Madonna. 🦋✨ A few people have said it’s toxic with water which making me reconsider the watercolour version but have to research to see if it’s true and not jump to conclusions. Maybe Daniel Smith found a way around that or perhaps as long as you don’t eat it or only ingest in small amounts are fine. 💖 I hear celery juice and infrared saunas are both good to clean the body of toxins so a helpful thing for painters.

@PaintHandDan

Жыл бұрын

🤔no doubt, crushed gemstone could be a potential irritant - wait until you learn what's in "cobalt blue" / "lead white" (now restricted) / "cadmium ANYTHING" ☝😬Celery Juice will do nothing (and probably tastes gross lol) However, Iron(III) ferrocyanide (aka PRUSSIAN BLUE) IS LEGIT MEDICINE for similar purpose - its absorbs heavy metal contaminant (Specifically thallium & cesium based radiation poisoning as well as non-rad cesium poisoning.)

I just discovered you who I consider is a fine artist BUT what hits me to hear you say over and over again that you don’t care about what people say, I don’t want to cross my boundaries but it’s a little concerning that when I paint . That very moment of peace of expressing myself… I have invested feelings and skills in a painting. I learn every time I watch an artist . That defensive mode does not sit well with me. Through criticism we can better our art on every level and for ourself. Just my honest feeling about it. I am Not a professional but I need criticism good or bad . Thank you for sharing,great work. Jose from Melbourne Australia

It sounds like the pigment hasn’t been rendered into a liquid form, so whenever you mix a different color into it, that color is just coating the individual grains of the ultra fine powder, rather than blending the colors.

I see glazing by the old masters wasn't just for cost-cutting, but practicality until French Ultramarine and Cobalt finally emerged around the 18th-19th centuries.

It’s a lovely parrot and a good test subject for blueness.

Artists used to use lapis lazuli to paint the Virgin Mary's robes and they used glazes over a grisaille. Did I spell that right?

This makes me think that the colours of old had to be glazed with over and over to get the intensity up. So, lapis looked very intense compared to other colours because all other colours were more duller that lapis, which makes lapis pop out. I would really like to see how would it look if you glazed over and over with lapis lazuli. I think that would be a nice experiment. Amazing video, btw. :) Thank you.

@acaciarogersart

Жыл бұрын

He just had a cheap version. This isnt actually what Lapis Lazuli is like

old masters used lapis lazuli mixed with linseed oil. the paint you tested has resin oil which is not the same. old holand is the paint that uses recipes of old masters.

Next you should try YinMin Blue. And compare it to Lapis Lazuli, Ultramarine, and Cobalt Blue. Yes?

Have ever you used it for glazing?

lapis lazuli is my most favorite gem stone! the pigment is absolutely to die for when properly extracted

Good to know humanity has been overhyping things since ancient times

@AlpayEfe

Жыл бұрын

😂

Schimnke probably used the smallest amount of lapis lazuli pigment. Cornelissen in London still sells the pigment.

Do the Genuine Cerulean blue next ,it's also expensive, and Vermillion

It's useful if it is used for painting with the glazing technique, building up thin layers gradually. That's how it was used and using this method can make it a very intense colour.

@juliesczesny90

Жыл бұрын

Nice idea - but that's not how Vermeer used it. I'm going by the scientific analysis here.

in watercolor a lot of brands like D. Smith and small paint makers offer this paint and I have no idea who buys it. Even in the most thickly applied swatches I've seen it looks like water with a particle of weak blue in it. And I love more muted natural pigments - potter's pink and viridian for example are a couple of my favorite paints, but those are far more vibrant in comparison and are really useful in mixing.

I came across your content recently, and I have been loving it! Nice work 👏

This is awesome! Yes, right in the beginning, it looked so transparent, as you explained @8:30

"Even the name is starting to annoy me" 😂😂 😂

@MossyMozart

3 ай бұрын

Ignorance is no reason for this artist to cross an important resource off his list.

The Lapis Lazuli watercolor is also quite subtle. With my style I don’t have a use for it at the moment - but never say never - I might find a need for it at some time. Thanks for your honesty & time on this review-I enjoyed it❤

In the time we live in now, we are blessed with many new pigments at affordable prices, and better quality than previous centuries. Sometimes you read a certain will to 'paint like the old masters' so that is pure sentiment, the old masters would probably have been very happy with our tubes.

Apparently this pigment can only be mined in Kotcha, Afganistan. A certain area and it's been that way since the pigment was discovered... which is basically why it's so pricy. I can see why synthetic pigments for it is more popular. I do have water colour of it and it's fine? Watercolors you want that sort of transparency though.

Totally understand how you feel. I bought this a couple of years ago and used a lot of it and had to stop only after realising that I'm not going to get what I want out of it. Now I just use it as a glaze here and there.

I think the problem is, it's price is due to it's rarity and it's existence is due to it's history. It was really the only blue that had intensity back in the day and was mainly used to show off religous paintings to wow people. Artists used to have to decide with the client before hand if they wanted to use it due to it's cost, they would then have to price it up based on the blue alone as the painting itself would be a fraction of th cost. It's like expecting a classic 1930's car to outperform a ferrari just based on the cost of the classic 1930's car.

Thanks! I enjoyed that

Well yea, its expensive because the pigment is rare, not because its an absolutely amazing chromatic characteristic lol it's as if someone made a paint out of gold. It would probably suck, but it would be hella expensive because gold is

When doing my gem charm chart "Lapis Lazuli" was chosen for the sign of Virgo, though instead of the Color ~ the Words were written within the Arch of the 🌈 🌈 for all the colors a Saphire Stone comes in ~ underneath a cup with Wings and the caption IOLITE for the charges of the content. The [LABEL] was the Sight - Obvious for that small tube of paint, in order to /get/ the Ultra Marine "Terrific" it also has to be used {straight} from the apportion, with that some of the tiniest brushes I have is use.

What does the lapis do when thinned & mixed with other semi precious stone pigments? Say amozonite? I imagine applied in thin layering very beautiful.

Never fell for it and dropped mad $$ for lapis. As an artist acrylic paint maker friend of mine in NYC said of lapis, "Because of the rarity and extraction process to get the pure stone particles makes it expensive, end results are not much chroma, it's a rather dull grayish blue." Too many complexities getting perfect lapis. Even if multiple glazes with it makes an exquisite difference, ultramarine is satisfactory for me.

does it have a better effect with using some medium? I have a viridian red that becomes more of a raw sienna when i use galkyd

Shout out to Jean Baptiste Guimet for creating the synthetic form of Lapis Lazuli (PB29 Ultramarine Blue) and spearheading its wide and inexpensive accessibility we see today

@juliesczesny90

Жыл бұрын

Does it have Pyrite and teensiest bit of gold, to sparkle??

@TRANSSENTIENT

Жыл бұрын

@@juliesczesny90 i wish it did tho. I read down below that the Lapis Lazuli used was impure, like no refining done. It'll be so expensive to get genuine refined LL, I'm sure it'll be gorgeous

@TRANSSENTIENT

Жыл бұрын

@@juliesczesny90 did you use LL like you described before? How did you get it?😮

I prefer it for glazing. It has a beautiful natural tint. Also use lead white with it for a better experience.

Very interesting video. Could the binding material in the paint cause these disadvantages? Since you make all of these experiments, could you try mixing it on your own? Not only oil paint, but also tempera. I would love to see how such a paint would behave (as it was often used for example in manuscripts).

Blue is the rarest color in nature. Its really complicated for plants to make blue, In order for a molecule to appear blue to humans, it needs to absorb red light, the lowest energy part of the visible spectrum. This is why lapis was so prized for artist in olden days.

This was a valuable experiment.

do you reckon it lost some of its vibrancy from being in the tube for so long? i wonder what the difference would be like tube vs powder with different mediums

Love seeing that Pus In Boots in the background 🐈

I feel like this is a perfect mix between ultramarine blue and phthalo blue. Phthalo blue is my favorite blue i honestly consider it to be a mind blowing color it is so beautiful 😁💙

Great video as usual! What was that fanatstic cello song in the middle there?

The lapis lazuli we have today, for the most part, isn’t like it was back in the day. True LL paint, the pigment needs to be separated from the grey sodalite pigment thru a costly and time consuming process! The pigment from that process is VERY bright, vibrant & BLUE!! Just like ultramarine blue. Look up the process, it’s actually quite interesting!

I agree! I was excited to get a genuine lapis lazuli watercolor in a set. When I painted with it I was so underwhelmed.

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Totally!

Is there a chance that its this way because the pigment is diluted in this formula? That if more pigment was added to the oil? Would it then thicken it to an unusable texture??? I wonder.

I’m VERY surprised ! Thank you for saving me money 😄👍🏼

The old masters used it in glazes. Glazes gave paintings that glow, that look that you don't really get with direct painting. Maybe when used in glazes it has a look that you wouldn't get with ultramarine, I don't know. The transparency and handling would probably be somewhat different in a different brand of paint, or if you mix the paint from scratch. And when you mix with white, I'm guessing you used titanium, which has a very high tint strength and can easily kill the color. If you had used a lead white or warm white, the color might have been less gray, and I'm guessing the hue would have been more greenish due to the yellow of the lead, also more transparent.

I prefer the lapis and love the parrot!!!

That smock is super cool

I loved this thank u

I had to pause and comment. I LOVE when you’re just casually holding your battle ax in your videos! 😆🤣👍 It always makes me smile!

I had a similar experience with cobalt violet (Windsor and Newton) years ago, it was the most expensive paint in the shop 80 punts (old irish money) and the experience was similarly underwhelming

It’s almost like you’d be fighting with the paint. Not necessarily a painter’s dream 🫤 “Lapizlázuli… even the name is starting to annoy me” 🤣🤣🤣

Wow very interesting. I thought , because it was the most expensive, it would be mesmerizing. Thanks for saving me one day buying it 😅😅

No complaints about his assessment of it as a modern option for normal painting. In centuries past, it held up to the hype because you basically didn't have any other options fit getting that intense blue.

Thank you for the mind blowing"ly" honest review.

Surprise! I feel your pain. I plunked down $600 for the raw pigment then waited with much anticipation for this glorious, most famous blue to arrive... And then nothing but butt hurt. It is a difficult paint to mull. Difficult to spread. As you say, there is nothing spectacular about the chroma. What threw me off the most was the color itself. It's a dull blue leaning towards purple red. Nothing like the sky blue color found in so many great masterpieces. It is as you say a VERY difficult pigment to paint with. Although I should add I am growing to love it for what it is. In mixes it is neutral. But in a way that perfectly balances other colors by adding the suspicion of blue undertones. To a point where I now see the cheaper natural ultramarine as too harsh, too synthetic and unnatural for realist illusions. Just the hint of an addition of black or other darker tones create shadow colors that have a depth to them. Of course Renaissance painters turned this pigment into glowing chromatic passages by being indirect. Not blue on a white ground, but a layer of physical mixed white + blue, then glazed with multiple, thin passages of blue. As the years pass the oil in the paint will yellow and the color will shift from its purplish blue origins to the glorious cooler sky blue we are all familiar with in the Girl with a Pearl Earring. That little study you did? Don't throw it away. Glaze some lapis over it in thin applications. Then rest comfortably knowing that in a few hundred years your study will color shift allowing patrons 200 years from now to marveling at the glory of this rare, expensive pigment shining out from your painting. Lapis Lazuli is not an about 'now' color. It's an about when you're dead color.

Did you try enchanting your brush with it?

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I've never tried this pigment in oil but I have tried it in watercolours and it is equally disappointing.

I’m not surprised at its weak colour. I haven’t bothered buying any in any kind of paint because I’ve been told that the best mine for high quality pure blue Lapis came from Afghanistan mines and those mines have been shut down (I could be wrong info may be out of date). A lot of Lapis out there on the market (mined some other parts of the world 🤷🏼‍♀️) is a lower grade meaning it has white calcite and pyrite crystalline formations in it which would naturally weaken the colour intensity if all of that is ground down into it. 🤷🏼‍♀️ It is a stunning rich stone in its highest grade though these days some of that is colour enhanced too unfortunately.

I'm still convinced the gem stone pigments have got to handle light better than inks. They sure work great when cut properly and put in settings. It just stands to reason that this sparkle has got to help pigmants. Will diamond dust do good? What about gold its shinny?

This was more or less what I expected. Azurite is very similar but with a more green tinge. These were pretty much the blues they had to work with back in the day, and sometimes old manuals will reveal hints of the tricks they used to make it work (Pacheco, the teacher of Velazquez, mentions something about how he layers azurite to make a blue sky). The experience of painting was quite different back in the day, since each pigment would behave in its own weird way (some were gritty, others ropy when mixed with oil etc), it sort of gives you a new appreciation for how difficult it was, and is part of the reason why older paintings look different. Of course they used lead white instead of titanium, which takes away some of the strength of the white. BTW Vermeer was unusual in using lapis lazuli throughout the painting (even underpainting). Not sure how he could afford it.

Looks like the perfect blue for a Zorn palette! 😏

Its a beautiful stone i think its better off as jewellery, Thanks for thd tip 😊👍🏾

The name "lapis lazuli" means "blue stone." Ancient Egyptians used it to create blue cosmetics. In the Renaissance, painters ground the stone to make ultramarine, a blue pigment used for skies and seas. Lápis Lazuli is beautiful and nice in stones for rings, earrings and other. The effect of tiny tiny pieces of gold powder among the blue (which I see as ultramarine blue) is seen in stones but the pigment itself cannot show that effect. I use ultramarine blue and for a parrot I would also use/mix with phtalo blue. Your parrot looks great !!!

Thx

There are a lot of grades of genuine ultramarine pigment, and whatever Mussini uses is not a high grade, because the paint would be way more expensive if it was. Kremer sells a bunch of different grades of genuine ultramarine, and you can really see the difference between the cheap Chilean pigment, which is a relatively dull blue, and the highest grade "Fra Angelico blue" pigment that costs six time as much ($390 for 10 grams). That's the stuff that's comparable to what Renaissance painters used. Mussini's paint is probably using something more like ultramarine ash, because it's cheaper than it should be even if it used the low-grade Chilean pigment. That said, there's not a strong use case for genuine ultramarine these days, as there are numerous synthetic blues that are at least as good and considerably cheaper.

Lapislazuli is a bit of a complicated pigment because the stone itself needs to be treated a lot to produce anything other than grainy grey mud 😅 The pigment is not actually the whole stone it’s a complex in the stone that needs to be separated from all the other stuff. The reason it is so famous is because a lot of the really vibrant pigment used today weren’t discovered until like the 18th century, which partially has to do with chemistry as a formal science not really existing until fairly recently. So for centuries lapislazuli was the only known way to get that specific shade of blue (doesn’t help that its chemical structure is pretty complex both figuratively and literally) and then it was so ridiculously expensive to make that it was mostly used for religious iconography, which added to its infamy.

Hello can you please do a video about oil paint and sizes from tubes to cans? And what artists who like To Paint on large sizes can buy thank you!

Really enjoyed this one. I'd definitely like to see more "Alpay Efe Investigates X" type videos. Not sure on which topic though - I'm a novice, so I really "don't know what I don't know." But I do know that videos like this are always interesting to me.

I think i have that green pigment. One of the most beautiful colors i owned. Blue is transparent it would be better to get the pigment so you can make your own paint texture/structure

If it were a watercolor tube, it would be pretty big.... Anyway I agree, it's just another blue, there are fine lightfast alternatives that don't break the bank.

Its for glazing not for underpainting. See Jan Van Eyck works.

Dude love your paintings but I suggest you must take lapis lazuli from Minecraft its plenty over there very cheap

It's a limited resource. It's used for ornamental objects and jewelry. The stone is almost mined out. The very best lapis is just like the ultramarine blue that you showed. That grade of gem is not going to be used to make paint, it is used for fine jewelry. If you want that shade of blue use the cheaper ultramarine blue. Lapis is more a novelty, in my opinion. I have it as a watercolor.

Lapis Lazuli is forever lightfast. If the rocks are used in a mosaic, it will never ever fade. Michelangelo used it in a mosaic in the Vatican Museum. And above the mosaic you can see a painting where again he used it. The blue on Michelangelos Last Judgment was painted with it. Botticelli used it on the top layer of his Madonna of the Book. Pictures, especially phone cameras all fail to capture the color correctly. And even if, the displays again fail recreating it. And all prints are a shaddow of the color. It is really highly advisable to see the old master paintings in real live or else never really quite "get it". That said, ultramarine blue or royal blue from Yves Klein is totally different. It looks different and it feels different. In Amsterdam I saw a giant canvas with royal blue. It was mesmerizing to say the least. But not better than Lapis Lazuli, just different.

i imagine this should be used for multiple glazing layers