IMPORTANT: Despite our differences, I think Katy is very reasonable, and was courageous and transparent enough to travel to meet me, give up an afternoon and debate/inform me. Whether Katy is a he, she, or they, Katy is certainly not an 'it'. Remember the human in your comments, and use logic and reason WITHOUT ad-hominem attacks on Katy's person. Hit like, share on socials - subscribe! - and comment below.

@shadowbeastie

3 ай бұрын

Is it ad hominem to call a cult a cult?

@megaloschemos9113

3 ай бұрын

If Katy was born with the genetic and physiology structure ordered to produce small motile gametes we know as sperm, then Katy is a male. He is a man. There are no 'if's' about this.

@Susanmugen

3 ай бұрын

@@shadowbeastie An ad hominem logical fallacy is when you use an insult to try and argue a person's position must be wrong. The words, "a cult" would indicate a group's beliefs are "strange or sinister" so that probably counts. Example: imagine Emperor Nero says, "These christians say Christos rose from the dead and they say the apostles are the flesh of Christ and drank his blood. They're a cult! Don't believe them". In this example Nero's only reason offered to not believe Christianity is that they're a cult. Yet Christianity could be true or false regardless of if the majority finds their beliefs strange. So it's a logical fallacy. I have heard the "anti gender movement" referred to as a "cult" and TERFs are mocked on a subreddit called "terfs_are_a_fetish or whatever it was. I've seen trans people called "trans rights activists " if out and seen any out trans person or intersectional feminist called a "cult" from the anti gender movement. It's poison either way to the discussion. Note sometimes you just want to be insulting. I do a lot of time when I check out anti trans propaganda videos. I want to just say, "WTF, are you crazy?" because so much is said that even the first two minutes need massive clarification. Not an ad hominem to just plain insult or troll, it's the internet to flame, but it sounds like they don't want insults either because civility is being encouraged.

@shadowbeastie

3 ай бұрын

@@Susanmugen spoiler: gender transition theory is actually a cult. It's a belief system with no basis in reality that cannot tolerate criticism. I'm sorry you don't see it.

@MsMumei

3 ай бұрын

the worry is not about transwomen in changing rooms or bathrooms, that's been going on for decades and no one gives a damn as far as I know or at least , in my personal experience of being in bathrooms with transwomen:) the worry is that with self id, any creep can hijack trans identity, and go in as they want. The only protection there is, is the right to say no to any (male /XY) creep who might try following you in. Bathrooms - in pubs etc , have always been safe spaces to go if someone is being dodgy or to check in with your friend, away from men etc they're not just places to pee, they are wee havens despite no actual physical barriers - the barrier is psychological, and functions a bit like a hymen - it wont stop anyone but we hope you respect it. Anywhere where XX women are naked, or have their knickers round their ankles, the choice to consent as to whether anyone XY can enter is what makes those spaces feel safe, but self id would make this irrelevant. But no access would also mean transwomen would have to rely on good grace which makes them feel vulnerable and not accepted...idk why we cant just ensure gender neutral bathrooms as well as gendered everywhere but perhaps that's my ignorance.....? i'm still a bit confused about that - i find it weird that no one seems interested in finding pragmatic solutions, only ideological rants it's odd. I mean - I totally get why a transwoman wouldnt want to use the mens bathroom, but that's different from wanting specifically to use the womens, so i'm not sure which it is.

Woman here who was raised by a single dad! He never once entered the women's changing rooms with me or my sister because he knew other men would not be in there! And yes, he would wait outside and if anyone did ask why he was there he would tell them I'm waiting for my daughters! Stop using that scenario to try to push men into changing rooms!

@jugendamthamburg-ggkonform381

3 ай бұрын

Thank you to your family for being respectful and decent!

@colinellicott9737

3 ай бұрын

Good. Me too. I raised a boy and a girl after my wife died, and I always did the same as your dad. Women's safety and security outweigh any man's delusion that his appearance changes his chromosomes.

@kitchfacepalm

3 ай бұрын

A mother here. I initially took my son into the women’s toilets. Then he got older and I stood outside the men’s toilet, my ears straining to listen for any problems, and hated every second until he came out of there.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

Indeed. Women could take their husbands in if it was a case of someone verifying that this guy is one of the good ones. It's not the point. Ease of mind and dignity. No man, however he wants to think of himself, should be in female only spaces. The social norms exist for a reason.

@kayjay4189

3 ай бұрын

@@colinellicott9737 there was one time I was waiting to use the hairdryer in the changing rooms, loads of women and girls were waiting to use it. One woman left, then came back in a said "(our names) your dad is worried about you both, he asked if you're both okay" and she walked out. So I popped my head round the door and saw my dad literally biting his nails and looking worried! I get it, it must be hard waiting to see if there are any unusual sounds, or if your kids are distressed!

I can wear no makeup, cut my hair and nails and dress casually - I will still be a woman, always, for the rest of my life. Being a woman is not about these kind of superficial attributes but it's typical for a man to think so. Oh the irony...

@davidm1149

3 ай бұрын

I think it detracts from the beauty of the human being when people have this going on. I'm personally sorry this is happening - I'd not want my children being in a world like the one we have now.

@brianna094

3 ай бұрын

Truly. I agree 100%. There are too many words to even say but I don't even have the energy. I would call it infuriating

@Kyarrix

3 ай бұрын

Why did he keep talking about long hair and long nails? I'm a woman, I was born a woman, I don't have long hair or long nails. It doesn't detract from my femininity. Where does this dumb stereotype come from and how do we get rid of it?

@tylerhall6657

3 ай бұрын

Unga bunga

@the_clee_queen2625

3 ай бұрын

We all have landed in the upside down 😭

A woman who has the worst physical problems, depression, deformatives etc. because of very large breasts, doesn't get a surgery paid by the NHS but he does.

@hanwirtz4305

3 ай бұрын

That's not his fault though

@donttouchyerbumnsniffit

3 ай бұрын

​@@hanwirtz4305 Who said it was?

@chuck3354

3 ай бұрын

I think you mean best

@AshleyRachelleArts

3 ай бұрын

@@chuck3354 hi chuck! Experiencing pain due to breast size is not the “best,” you pervert!🥰

@MadDog_Rules

3 ай бұрын

@@hanwirtz4305 Of course it's not Katy's fault, no one said it was.

This guy’s friend had no right to invite him into other women’s spaces. How dare she give away other women’s spaces.

@eugenetswong

2 ай бұрын

That's a great response!

@The.only.thing.is.the.crossing

2 ай бұрын

Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.

@LaurenMartins

13 күн бұрын

Autogynephiles never accept that we real Trans women have the nucleus of the stria terminalis in the brain identical size to a genetic heterosexual female, because Autogynephiles brains are identical to heterosexual males. They are NOT TRANS. They have a paraphilia.

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

@banedon8087

Күн бұрын

That occurred to me as well.

I never understand the phrase many trans men say, "I feel like a woman". I am a biological woman and I would find it difficult to express how I "feel " about being a woman!

@sarral2008

3 ай бұрын

I felt like a woman when I had PMS, period or menopause. But not in any other sense.

@manchegocheese997

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, and it is the body we have which defines how we feel even if we cannot describe that feeling, so it is absurd for a man to say that he feels like a woman.

@tiana4102

3 ай бұрын

I think we should ask Shania Twain 💃

@annereidy7981

3 ай бұрын

absolutely agree, it's a very spurious assertion, to say the least!

@user-yup-you-are-human2

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

A man in Sweden killed and dismembered his girlfriend. He decided to transition (socially) in prison and got sent to the female prison without any questions. We have this extreme tolerance thing going on here in Sweden that is actually hurting women

@sarral2008

3 ай бұрын

When did it happen? I do not remember that.

@ellebarratt5522

3 ай бұрын

We can only assume they want it to happen.

@IsacriToth

3 ай бұрын

@@sarral2008 you know you can search the internet, right? Kim Marie Johansson: In 2014 Johansson was sentenced to 14 years in prison for murdering and dismembering her ex girlfriend, Vatchareeya Bangsuan. The case, known as the Boden massacre. In 2018, 27-year-old Johansson self-perceived herself as a woman and changed her name to Kim Marie Johansson.[6] According to Swedish law, no one could question it. She later applied for a transfer to a women's prison. She was imprisoned in Norrtäljeanstalten, after the Court of Appeal reduced her sentence to ten years in prison despite the prison management considering her extremely violent. ....

@HiHereIAm693

3 ай бұрын

@@IsacriTothwow thank you for the info! I did not even know.

@MisterMarmite3652

3 ай бұрын

Happens really frequently in UK too, but they don't track data. Really scary

As a woman I do not care where a transsexual woman changes, as long as it’s not in a female dressing room. I am concerned with my space.

@jameswright...

3 ай бұрын

You don't care... BUT😂😂😂 Seems you do care!

@maritaberndt6200

3 ай бұрын

He's a man. Not a transsexual woman. He's a transsexual. Ok...I'll go with that.

@ASMRyouVEGANyet

2 ай бұрын

Your statement is contradictory

@jazzochannel

2 ай бұрын

I'm a man, not trans at all. can I come into a female dressing room, please? I'll be really quiet.

@nonenone5413

2 ай бұрын

I think you mean a transsexual man?

KJ Keane & Helen Joyce often talk about this type of man doing the softly softly approach. ‘Look at me so lovely and nice and non threatening to women , be kind and let me invade women’s spaces’. Far more dangerous than the aggressive ones. A wolf in sheep’s clothing!

@lco7080

3 ай бұрын

100%, and judging from the comments here, it sadly works on lots of people. It's those using the nicey nicey approach that opened the door, for men, to enter women's spaces. They also paved the way for the modern fanatics and zealots who get women sacked and arrested for saying things like "humans can't change sex"

@nikobellic570

3 ай бұрын

Yep. Because the public get manipulated into misplaced compassion

@nacho-mammy

3 ай бұрын

Yep the Blaire whites of the world

@metgirl5429

3 ай бұрын

@@nikobellic570so so very true 🕊

@jessebarnes1963

3 ай бұрын

I’m sorry, but you actually believe that this individual is more dangerous than the aggressive, militant, totalitarian activists who, in attacking and defaming women, reveal themselves to have narcissistic, psychopathic personality types? This individual has been willing to change views, political commitments, worldviews, positions, etc over time, is clearly willing to compromise, does not demand that people embrace him as a woman- is actually calling for tolerance, as opposed to submission and conpliance- and is entirely reasonable and measured in everything he’s saying. I disagree with him on some points, such as the feasibility of continuing to allow trans women in women’s spaces, but this person clearly doesn’t pose any threat or malice. I understand feeling so worn out and disgusted and angry by years of dismissal, disrespect, abuse by a totalitarian movement, but try to insist that he is as bad or worse is ridiculous; doing so is unfair to him, and it makes you look silly. Learn to embrace imperfect friends when you’re in a world full of bloodthirsty enemies.

So sick of hearing about these people's rights. What about my rights as a legitimate woman. Why should I have to share a bathroom with these people etc etc.

@DreamsOfFinland

3 ай бұрын

women's rights were erased by Biden administration and given to trans. Then he hosted them on white house lawn and said "I like trans because they fight back." I'm old lefty, never thought a president would rejoice in taking away women's right to exist to appease 1% men who assault, scream, and terrorize real women. 1% does not get to rule womens lives. Saying this is "unkind to trans". I want this stuff out of classrooms, it is wrecking families.

@powderandpaint14

3 ай бұрын

What makes you a legitimate woman?

@marthaj67

3 ай бұрын

@@powderandpaint14 Seriously? XX chromosomes. I can't believe we have to specify these things now. This world has gone stark raving.

@coraynbell8991

3 ай бұрын

@@powderandpaint14 chromosomes I suspect like myself!

@powderandpaint14

3 ай бұрын

@@marthaj67 I just think it's slightly odd language. We never had to specify that we were "legitimate" women before..

It was when transgender women started entering women's sports that lost me, and then the transkids happened, which was the total end of any support from me.

@dagforster7627

3 ай бұрын

I couldn't agree more. People can do whatever they want to themselves, dress however they want, call themselves whatever name they choose - I believe in total individual liberty in these areas (including use of drugs) - but the biological men in womens' sports thing and what I believe to be a cultural contagion of trans hysteria amongst teenagers in the US are very troubling.

@MsMounen

3 ай бұрын

For me it was "transwomen ARE women", and "not all women have uteruses" .

@vanessajones9524

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Why the fuck do we have to be called chest feeders, uterus havers etc. The words mother, breasts, breastfeeding etc are being removed from hospitals now.

@mymindistv

3 ай бұрын

Would it be fair to say you don't support the activism, but basically didn't have an issue with someone going on their journey perhaps? Or are you unsupportive of people being trans at all?

@Qrtuop

3 ай бұрын

Yes but they are men

I’d be creeped as hell of I saw this dude in my changing room. A little self awareness of how unsafe you are making others feel goes a long way.

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Would you want an AFAB trans man who has a beard and 18 inch arms in the restroom with you?

I’m struggling with my feelings on this interview. Katy comes off as quite rational but then still doesn’t see the position he puts women in. Having been attacked multiple times by strange men, seeing Katy even walk through the women’s change room to the family cubicle would put me into a state of fight, flight or freeze. I’d never be able to go to that establishment again without going into a panic attack. Going to the family cubicle only gives HIM privacy. We however are the ones getting changed when without any warning or choice, are exposed and vulnerable due to one mans feelings being more important than our safety, security and feelings. And what he said about feminists supporting trans women is utter lunacy. Trans rights trample women’s rights. You can’t support trans rights over women’s rights and still be a feminist. Words still have meaning despite all the efforts to dismantle language and common sense.

@KatyJonWent

3 ай бұрын

I avoid facilities at all in general, my 2 swimming trips in 15 years will be my last. I would like to see more gender neutral single occupancy spaces. As to feminists... GC feminists call the T inclusive younger feminists not real feminists and the T inc feminists say the GCs aren't real feminists. A lot of the debate is between two groups of women about trans folk. Between two groups of LGB about T. The more US right wing anti T are just as anti LGB and abortion.

@SandraEaston-Lawrence

3 ай бұрын

Feminists put women first, not men like Went.

@nikobellic570

3 ай бұрын

It's an abomination that people are allowed to do this and are protected by laws

@amyh9512

3 ай бұрын

Katy said they are against transwomen being in spaces where they or women would be exposed. I'm definitely against that too along with prisons and sports. It's a small concession. There needs to be concessions in order to respect both sides

@aussieraideraaron2946

3 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏

He should NEVER use a woman's space regardless of whether a woman invites him in.

@zeldagoblin

3 ай бұрын

Yes. The important word being "a" woman. It's not up to one individual to invite a man into spaces for women in general.

@anantea

3 ай бұрын

Except he ended up using family cubicle.

@evieblessed

3 ай бұрын

@@anantea ......in the women's changing room. He isn't a woman, so...

@jhoneyb

3 ай бұрын

@@anantea Which was *Inside* the female changing room.

@ls-l1518

3 ай бұрын

She can only invite a man into her OWN space. That is, her own bathroom.

This man SHOULD NOT being going into women changing rooms or toilets. His lesbian friend who invited him swimming IS NOT the representative of all women in women’s spaces and it’s extremely selfish of her to behave as if she is. Shame on her.

@hayleylongster4698

3 ай бұрын

Damn right. Personally, I would feel uncomfortable with a man swinging his d*cl at me in a changing room, but I wouldn't feel uncomfortable at all with a man coming into the ladies toilet and going in the cubicle next to me. That wouldn't bother me, as long as there's a wall between me and him. HOWEVER, this should not be the standard situation that all women have to live with based on my own personal experience of comfort/discomfort. ALL women have the right to feel comfortable in a women only space. -- As all men have to the right to feel comfortable in a men only space. (Which is why I always disagreed with women forcing their way into men only clubs etc.)

@mfoltz3720

3 ай бұрын

him**

@thistles

3 ай бұрын

@@mfoltz3720I believe the OP is talking about his lesbian friend

@Open_Space0718

3 ай бұрын

I agree, that bit really rubbed me the wrong way. It's women like his lesbian friend that do the most damage. As a woman she should have known better.

@evesapple

3 ай бұрын

Especially going to the one gym in the entire country that is GC and actually stands for women. He could have gone to any other gym, but he chose to go there. Forever pushing boundaries, constantly dismissing women, always wanting to violate our spaces.

Jon is trying his best to coerce female viewers to submit to his needs in the name of kindness. Not gonna' happen. Here's a message to Jon, stay OUT of all women's spaces all of the time - including when your female pal "invites" you in. That pal doesn't speak for the majority of women.

@nikobellic570

3 ай бұрын

This

@EvaWharehoka-dub44

3 ай бұрын

absolutley.. Jon.. have respect.

@user-bn4jk8gn1k

3 ай бұрын

I disagree, it WILL happen because too many are too kind, too agreeable, too empathetic. That's how we got here.

@wolfhugs2221

2 ай бұрын

It's relief to read that some people can see through the facade. It's a kind of grooming and doesn't change the reality. If one is let in, the word no will mean nothing to anyone. Women's spaces are single sex for a reason and all of the "nice" women are creating danger for others.

@CassyCat4

2 ай бұрын

Who hurt you sis haha, Don't worry any female space with you storming up and down it isn't where trans people want to be.

I'm a woman and i no longer use open change areas. I no longer use the showers unless they lock. I check areas more thoroughly now that i know nobody would confront a man walking in there. I've been cowed. 😢

@sueedwards9334

3 ай бұрын

I no longer go to the local swimming pool as I don’t want to deal with the possibility or now perhaps probability of encountering males. It’s sickening that thanks to ‘kindness’, often of women, women’s rights have been roiled back a century or more.

@EvaWharehoka-dub44

3 ай бұрын

me too

@deahmcneill3240

Ай бұрын

How old are you? I was part of original feminism. I stand proudly and will stand alone for our feminist rights. During the origins of feminism, a man, who claimed to be a woman, entering toilet/changing rooms, women's sports, a man may try it Once, but after getting a reception never twice. Stand proudly sister!,

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

@@deahmcneill3240 Feminism isn't feminism if it isn't intersectional or trans-inclusive.

@wickedcrone3636

7 күн бұрын

Same. I go to less gigs too because you can't escape creeps by going to the loo anymore- they can just follow you in!!

Men pretending to be women may be tolerable, but telling others to pretend is intolerable

@susandavorn3249

3 ай бұрын

He isn't asking anyone to do that though. That's why Katy is one of the transgender people I like and actually admire.

@tonyhoffman3309

3 ай бұрын

But he still believes it is OK to go into womens changerooms and bathrooms, forcing women to sacrifice their privacy, dignity, and saftey, instead of holding true to his awareness, that "trans-women" are not any type of women. They are a type of men. It's up to men to adapt, not women.

@elsagrakin2570

3 ай бұрын

Katy isn't doing that though.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. It is unkind to lie, as is imposing yourself in places you aren't supposed to be.

@jaydee9125

3 ай бұрын

He just talks absolute nonsense and sounds unhinged but makes sure he sprinkles in blah blah conversion therapy blah blah brains. Promoting trutrans and his 'middle ground' are the best.

I honestly do not care about his feelings over where to change, as a woman I don’t want men in my female space. I am not anti trans at all and I do understand it may be difficult to know where to go in regard as personal/private spaces. But women are entitled to private female space without men and that includes men who live in a female form. IMO.

@SpookeyClown

3 ай бұрын

Isn't it more of an issue of appearance though? I mean, it's not like you check people's chromosomes before deciding to feel uncomfortable or threatened. I say this because my brother is a transgendered man who started going into women's restrooms since he's a biological female just to make a point. Women objected to a man in the girl's restrooms because he passes as a man very well. Really it just comes down to people not wanting any transgendered people in their bathrooms, so what the hell are they suppose to do? Going into whichever bathroom corresponds to the gender they pass as is the only sane middle ground I can think of.

@pommiebears

3 ай бұрын

@@SpookeyClown If you look like a bloke, it makes us uncomfortable, and so uncomfortable, we feel threatened, in women’s spaces. Especially for those of us who are survivors of SA. If you really pass, as a woman, it doesn’t give you that fight or flight response to seeing a male, so we’re non the wiser, are we? Lucky for the bloke that passes, I suppose. Katy doesn’t pass, and I’d be incredibly uncomfortable with Katy in a changing room with me. Can you even begin to understand that? Or, does Katy’s feelings matter more than mine, a survivor of serious SA?

@evieblessed

3 ай бұрын

@@SpookeyClown , allowing males into female spaces is not a 'middle ground', it's a ceding on the part of women. A trans man poses little to no threat to men, but a man, however he identifies, certainly potentially poses a real threat to women's safety. Then there is right to privacy and dignity to consider too. I don't need to check chromosomes, I've evolved over millions of years to read sex in my own species, our lives have depended on adapting to have this capability, and we do it exceedingly well - even through make-up, prosthetic breasts and dresses. Women should not, and will not, give up their few safe, male-free spaces. Some women may be happy to, but they are not free to give up everyone else's safety because they don't fully understand the issue. Ever heard of urophiles? Menophiles? Exhibitionists? Urophiles? So many men with so many fetishes that rely on access to women to fulfill them, so no, the answer is NO. Still NO and will always be NO. Just because you have a trans sibling means nothing when it comes to women's safety. If it does, please explain how it does.

@isoldam

3 ай бұрын

@@SpookeyClown Do you think that men who declare themselves women should be allowed into women's changing spaces? I don't think so. There are quite a few heterosexual sex perverts who get off on dressing up as women. There have been many nasty incidents in the last few years because of crazy laws that allow men the right to enter women's changing spaces and locker rooms. Male sex perverts also like to enter women's toilets. A man who dresses up as a woman is still male, like it or not. They should not be allowed to make women uncomfortable. Men and women are different and have different needs. However, If women have a right to single-sex privacy, then so do men. Your sister is not a man, no matter what she tells herself. Her disordered choices should not mean that her rights are put before the rights of others. If her restroom choices disturb you, lobby your city for more family restrooms with locked doors.

@thistles

3 ай бұрын

@@SpookeyClownno, sex-segregated spaces are SEX-segregated, not appearance segregated. Your sister should be using female changing rooms. If she causes a disruption, that’s her problem. She made the choice she made, and it has consequences. For safety reasons, it would probably be better for her to use the men’s room, but men are entitled to female free spaces, too.

No men in women's spaces. NONE.

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

‘Katie’ made the problem regarding boobs in male changing rooms - ‘ Katie’ needs to undress in the male changing room - ‘Katie’s lesbian friend has no right to give away female only spaces !

@Sillybillyilly

3 ай бұрын

I just say if they still have their male parts they should feel disphoric and not want to show that to others. They would go into a private part of the space

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

It’s not reasonable to want access to women’s spaces for any man. Not for any.

@crissieberea4329

3 ай бұрын

Good men stay out so bad men stand out

@edricawebb1578

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely. This statement should be made right after you freeze them by asking, what is a woman. No decent man wants to go into womens' spaces. @@crissieberea4329

@ponygirl1716

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Especially when the women are saying we don't want you here. A male invading a female space when the female is saying "no" has a very grapey vibe.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

@@crissieberea4329 nicely put.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

@@ponygirl1716 it insane this has to be stated. Our female ancestors had to fight for women only spaces to be created. The fact we're having to argue for it again, when crime stats make it self evident that they are still needed, is such a stain on modern life.

There is absolutely no way that this guy would be unsafe in a men's changing room. He looks like an average middle age man.

@daysofboyhood

3 ай бұрын

He looks like Mickey Rourke or Steven Tyler, or like 5 of my friends' dads who are into metal.

@mannie7028

3 ай бұрын

He’s gay but doesn’t want to be!

@Littlemouse884

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely 100%

@LAZISH

3 ай бұрын

@@daysofboyhood :))))

@sueedwards9334

3 ай бұрын

Definitely would never pass as a woman - stay OUT of women’s spaces!

He expects women to make accommodations for his feelings and needs but he won't make accommodations for women's feelings and needs for safety and privacy.

@The.only.thing.is.the.crossing

2 ай бұрын

Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.

@CassyCat4

2 ай бұрын

safety from?

@JustinVillemure

Ай бұрын

@@CassyCat4 don't worry about it, you won't understand even if we carefully explain it to you - your image says enough. You aren't functioning in reality but pride, feeling and ignorance.

@janobrien1936

Ай бұрын

Safety from fkery. Letting men in the washroom allows not just trans women but men who have bad intentions.

@MissSpookyMooky

Ай бұрын

Denial is all they have. It keeps the fantasy going.

First 5 mins, am having a very strong response to reducing "what is a woman" conversation down to : long hair and nails". Repeated. Christ. Imagine reducing a conversation about black and coloured people to such cliched lines. Women are getting such a lousy deal in all this. God I am angry.

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

That woman who he went swimming room should not have suggested he go into the womens. Single-sex spaces are not for her to give away. 🙄

@joannalewis5279

3 ай бұрын

Well apparently she disagreed and I'm sure you respect disagreement

@ravencole8727

3 ай бұрын

@@joannalewis5279 All the other women and girls were in that changing room on the basis it's female only. In any case, individuals don't have the authority to change the single-sex policy of someone else's establishment.

@joce11

3 ай бұрын

​@@joannalewis5279You realise women's rights are sex based, yes? Therefore these belong to all females. No woman has the right to give away other women's rights.

@lil-al

3 ай бұрын

@@joannalewis5279 We can't do just as we please, dear. We live in a world with other people in it.

@WindTurbineSyndrome

3 ай бұрын

Society sometimes elevated the needs of the individual over the needs of the group and when it is pushed too far all hell breaks loose. Because a government makes laws that if people stop complying they can be imprisoned, lose their job, be shunned socially or attacked. We are living in very strange times.

I am so bored of these men.

@cassiel.6918

3 ай бұрын

Nothing they say makes any sense, what’s the point of discussing anything with these insane, delusional narcissists?

@circles79

3 ай бұрын

I know, this interviewer sucks.

@jeanneganrude8549

3 ай бұрын

@@circles79No. The interviewer is lovely. Andrew is just a really good guy.

@The.only.thing.is.the.crossing

2 ай бұрын

Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.

@CassyCat4

2 ай бұрын

Who Andrew?

Ultimately there is a self absorbed nature to all of this that I find unpleasant. I don't think feelings are more important than women and children being safe.

@circles79

3 ай бұрын

Yes, let's end the patriarchy. It is the biggest threat to women and children.

@H-youtube7

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Protecting children is Everyone's responsibility and a basic moral value. No amount of wordestry can fool us out of that fact.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

So trans people want to harm children? How? @@H-youtube7

@Happyzebra-sb1vz

2 ай бұрын

But he's a MAAAANN! And men come first because you know, misogyny. Women and children are nothing in their world.

Andrew...you didn't ask him how it feels to bleed every month, to have menstrual cramps, to have his D cups ache, to be pregnant and have your belly grow slowly for 9 months, to carry and bear a child, to be in labour etc etc....very remiss.

@nicoletteralfe733

3 ай бұрын

Instead he asked if he missed his willy🙄

Bathrooms and sports are segregated for the purpose of giving the two sexes a different space. It’s nothing to do with how you look or identify.

@The.only.thing.is.the.crossing

2 ай бұрын

Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.

This guy is fun, seems like he's comfortable as he is now, but the truth is he is very male in both his appearance and his personality. Also, he looks like Ozzy Osbourne. 😂

@lynnej.9357

3 ай бұрын

Yes. He strikes me as very male.

@KatyJonWent

3 ай бұрын

Perhaps because I've stopped trying to be anything and am content to just be

@fibanocci314

3 ай бұрын

@KatyJonWent I wonder if you would clarify something from this interview: in regards to changing rooms, restrooms, and the like, what solution were/are you suggesting? Are you saying you should be allowed in the designated women's space, that there should be a third neutral space, or that the entire system needs to be remodeled to something with more privacy regardless of gender? Thank you.

@jellyrcw12

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for coming on! I really respect your willingness to speak publicly and engage in a critical conversation @@KatyJonWent

@misc6119

3 ай бұрын

@@KatyJonWentI love hearing what you have to say. You are excellent. ❤

When they talked about a lesbian friend inviting them into a women’s changing room at a swimming baths, it reminded me of when I first “PEAKED” meaning becoming gender critical.I had a closer make friend who came out as trans “woman” and I fully embraced it. Taking them, shopping, makeup and beauty, and even buying a real hair fringe clip in to cover their receding hairline. I went out of my way to make them feel included an would try and relate to them by saying, “this is a colour corrector that women with darker skin sometimes use to cover and correct darker areas, so this would be perfect for you “ (meaning their five o’clock shadow but without saying it). I did what this “lesbian” friend did, taking my trans woman friends hand and pulling them in the ladies toilets saying I was welcoming them in. However, this trans woman was taking the NHS where they worked to tribunal over changing rooms. The NHs made them use a separate changing room and toilet in another building because they were male born. The changing room for staff were open communal changing with only one private cubicle. The trans friend wanted me to come as a woman, to give my perspective at the tribunal, to support the trans woman’s claim of discrimination and state that I was fine with the, in women’s spaces. I paused because I knew that there were nurses and doctors who had religious beliefs that did not allow them to change in front of males who are not family. I pointed this out to my so called friend, who immediately dumped me as a friend because I didn’t affirm them. The reason I was cut out of this trans identifying males life was because I didn’t validate them without question. I did think that their male born body being in the female only sex changing facilities was wrong. This was a cardinal sin in trans ideology. I couldn’t morally claim a male who believes themselves to be female had a right in female changing spaces after I thought about the implications, even when I had previously been supportive.

@sueedwards9334

3 ай бұрын

A good lesson for everyone to take notice of. These narcissistic men can only think about themselves, have no empathy for others, and in fact hate women, even though they claim to be women.

@nicoletteralfe733

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing this. It’s obvious you were useful until you had a differing opinion 🙁

@olsim1730

Ай бұрын

I bet it feels good to be awake now huh? Congratulations

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

I'm seeing a pattern here that males who identify as women have an incredibly poor understanding of women. It's odd because females who identify as men (while often hopelessly off base as teen girls of what being a man is) and medically transition seem to often get an experience of being a man and re-evaluate what that means. Trans identifying males just don't seem to go through that same period of self-reflection. Or maybe they just don't care about women.

@petereames3041

3 ай бұрын

Females who Identify as men don't understand the male experience either. It's exactly the same.

@jugendamthamburg-ggkonform381

3 ай бұрын

It's the mansplaining of these transvestite men coercing women and girls into being secluded or under- or unclothed with them.

@user-jb5my7ly5f

3 ай бұрын

it is because they are misogynists at the end of the day. The sole idea of thinking a woman is something you can identify, something you can have via hormones, clothes, surgery it's reductive. A woman is an adult human female, take a look of that definition, it means to be one you have to be: an adult, fully developed which is a biological marker. + female, which encompasses all our biology because through our body we exist. + human. Everything a human being experiences. That definition in itself it's very complete, includes species, development and experience, however these MEN insist that they can erase that in order to make of us a thing to be acquired.

@zeldagoblin

3 ай бұрын

True. Went actually said that the ultimate affirming as a woman is getting f***ed. His words. Grotesque and misogynistic.

@helenromanelli2544

3 ай бұрын

Your last sentence? Bingo

I find it hard to believe that a barman mistook him for a woman.

@littleboots9800

3 ай бұрын

He mustve been sampling too much of the stock. Beer goggles 3 inch thick would be required. These ppl love to tell us how everyone tells them how well they pass and tell stupid stories about women telling them "oh you're more of a woman than me!" 🙄

@eveeve9758

3 ай бұрын

Probably felt he SHOULD use those words coz transactivism

@lisahurley7130

3 ай бұрын

And who says Ma’am and sir these days?

@dyoung1492

3 ай бұрын

@@lisahurley7130 exaclty ... go into a pub "what can I get you?" is the opener ...

@pollyparrot9447

3 ай бұрын

@@lisahurley7130 People whose employers tell them to.

There are many reasons why an adult male would wear women's clothing, none of them are wholesome. It's either *AGP* or self-loathing/self-rejection.

@annajuliet5652

3 ай бұрын

We know that exhibitionism, and other paraphilias,tend to progress & cluster. Lots of words but little said by this man. Similar presentation to Eddie Izzard a little disingenuous imho. No men of any kind in female spaces please.He shows no empathy for women at all. No man has any type of V@gin@ OR Cl*toris...how insulting to women.

@calstonjew

3 ай бұрын

@@zephyr139 Can I wear blackface? At the end of the day it's just makeup

@balalaika852

3 ай бұрын

@@calstonjew Make up isn't designed to mock women. So it's apples to oranges. Your point of view is incredibly backwards. The idea that a piece of garment has to belong to a certain sex or else is ludicrous. What's your opinion in leggings? Are men allowed to wear those? where do we draw the line, exactly?

@Bigball_Bill

3 ай бұрын

Nothing inheriently wrong with a man or woman wearing atypical clothing that is stereotypical for the opposite sex. To push those stereotypes on an individual is sexist as there is no stringent way a male or female should dress other than requirements for both of them such as no indecent exposure, no blackface because of it's offensive ties to slavery - similar to how it would be offensive to wear swastikas. To argue that wearing a dress makes a man in any way womanly is regressive for the argument of trying to keep men out of woman spaces so it seems far simpler and reasonable to accept that it is perfectly fine for a man to wear a dress.

@calstonjew

3 ай бұрын

@@Bigball_Bill Nothing inherently wrong with blackface either. Men making a mockery of femininity and women's bodies is offensive to women. I find women acting like watered down men to be offensive as well. Women's clothes are designed for women's bodies, not men's. Men look stupid when they wear that stuff, and are indicating by dress and action that they don't deserve a place at the Adult's Table. Our society has rules and customs. You can fight against them if you wish (isn't freedom great!), but you can't also expect society to applaud you for doing so! Why do you want men to enter women's spaces? You want to open a loophole that would allow sexual predators access to their prey? Men are stronger than women. Did you not know that, or have you been brainwashed by LGBT propaganda? The cult you are a part of is mutilating and sterilizing children, and making the West look like a complete joke to our enemies in China and Russia. Every race on Earth has been a slave at some point in time. There is nothing special about what happened to African slaves in America that should grant them preferential treatment in the present. You have no problem with them mocking White people and Asians.

"We have to. Be kind and do whats considerate when it comes to prisons"........ Kindness for CRIMINALS?? AM I hearing that right??? Seriously, a violent rapist needs to be treated with KINDNESS??? MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT THAT US UTTER BS???? 🤔

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

How is being trans being a rapist.

It's extremely misogynistic of him to think he deserves access to female-only toilets and changing rooms, because men using those spaces affects far more women and girls than them invading female-only prisons, sports and refuges. If trans-identifying people don't want to abide by sex-based segregation rules, then they need their own spaces, rather than abolishing sex-based segregation for the rest of us.

@helenromanelli2544

3 ай бұрын

yes,, but males in prisons and refuges have a far more devastating impact, overall, than a male identifying as a female in a woman's restroom.

@snakeplissken5480

2 ай бұрын

ahh but then they would be admitting to what they are not

@The.only.thing.is.the.crossing

2 ай бұрын

Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.

@juliesheard2122

Ай бұрын

Why won't they just use the men's toilets, changingrooms? Are men less likely to be tollerant? Well they would know, seeings how they are men.😂

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

Just looks and sounds like a chubby long haired bloke

@viida.p

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. He chose to chop off his penis and by taking opposite sex hormones grown some breast tissue he calls himself trans-women. He is some kind of trans but not a woman

@blueberry3168

3 ай бұрын

Without a willy 😂

@flangekiwi

3 ай бұрын

Just stop. This is a serious issue for women right now.

@eveeve9758

3 ай бұрын

Which he acknowledges But apparently can't use the men's toilets 🙄

@apebass2215

3 ай бұрын

​@@flangekiwi it is a serious issue, and he still looks like a chubby longhaired bloke.

The idea of caretakers with elderly trans people absolutely floored me. They want caretakers to actively ["play"] them for them as part of their caretaking duties to keep the hole open.? I couldn't do that. Wow. Obviously, there's been a lot of talk about things happening to the body, but not a lot of talk about these people becoming elderly. That was an interesting thought process the doctor had. Very real.

@marym922

Ай бұрын

If you watch Matt Walsh's "what is a woman?", some very interesting matters are raised. Not typically discussed by anyone... -the pharm industry makes an average of about a million U.S.dollars per transitioner. (guessing this is partly because some drugs/supplements/etc are meant to be continuously taken until the person passes away.) -Many who transition develop serious and uncomfortable side effects, and a lot of them pass away within about 7 years of their transitioning. (so those claiming 'suic1dal BECAUSE bullying.... well, it sounds like more like wanting to end constant physical pain from the consequences of surgery. May also be some shame attached to having to acknowledge the reality that side effects were not discussed, and that is partially the fault of the person who had the work done) Honestly, the million dollar incentive to push this (at best experimental) agenda..... that alone is enough for me to oppose it.

It’s interesting that he relates a story where he is not the aggressor in trying to get into women’s spaces - it is now his mates fault. No mate, you are male, your mate probably just felt bad, she probably wanted you in there as little as every other women in there, but felt bad - something these men play on to get their way. Despicable

Katy sounds very reasonable but men will never understand the inner world of women (I.e. biological female),we are different for so many reasons; biological,cultural, economical,sociological, historical - it forms the backdrop of who we are and such commonalities span geopolitical divides..the most pressing issue about this debate comes down to harm - women and girls need their own spaces because those outliers represent threat and it is not worth that risk for our daughters and their future outcomes

@mariussielcken

3 ай бұрын

The debate comes down to the truth of the gender binary

@ls-l1518

3 ай бұрын

​@@mariussielckenEmpty, meaningless words. Keep them to yourself, and stay out of women's spaces.

@littlecatfeet9064

3 ай бұрын

@@mariussielckenIt’s true. As mammals and primates, we are binary.

@calstonjew

3 ай бұрын

Just as women will never understand what it's like to be a man.

@brianna094

3 ай бұрын

He chopped his D off and he sounds reasonable to you? What are you consuming?

I am Norwegian, living in Denmark. The problems haven't become as big here. Many dont understand what's going on. But I do. We don't go into sauna naked with the other sex. We have men and female locker rooms. This is just a matter of time. Many here are still in the naive, we must include mind set. But I don't recognize your description of Denmark. I think people are being nice to you. Most restaurants have male and female loos. Not many strip naked bathing, that's just not true. I have never seen it in Copenhagen. Never.

@sueedwards9334

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for telling us the truth and confirming his lies.

@nicoletteralfe733

3 ай бұрын

It suited his narrative

This was an interesting conversation; I was first introduced to an adult trans person in the 70s when I was a kid, my aunt & uncle had a trans woman friend. I always agreed with trans rights overall-- should not be harassed, denied jobs, apts., etc. should be treated w/the same respect & civility as everyone else. I get that. But last few years, w/trans women coming into woman's sports & women's spaces more & more, I can't be on board with that. I have PTSD from years of ongoing childhood abuse from multiple sources; when I go in a room to change/pee, or send in my daughter, if I see someone who looks male or sounds male, I get flashbacks and paralyzing fear and have anxiety attacks. It is not fair that I lose that space so someone else takes it for their own comfort level-- I'm all for finding a new space for those people but no, I can't agree to give up my space. I keep getting told that trans women identify with me, as a woman, so I'm a bigot for not being okay with it. Well, to be perfectly blunt, I don't identify with trans women; why don't I get a say about my identity and who I am comfortable being around? And honestly it's not actually trans women that I fear will do something; but opening the doors for self-IDing trans women in any state of transition means that male predators who are not trans can take advantage and gain entrance. And yes females can be criminals and predators to, but it's a more level playing field if I got attacked by a female, it's less likely but if it happened I'm better able to defend myself. I'm all for prisons having trans wings and sports having trans divisions and trans people using family bathrooms and such, and finding ways to protect trans people and make them feel comfortable, but I cannot get on board with biological males gaining entrance to spaces created for biological females and I don't care about how anyone 'identifies' beyond that basic biology, many women like me are just not comfortable with that and we deserve a vote on the issue without being called hateful.

If John came into my changing room I’d be alarmed.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

Why are you conforming to sexist name tropes?

Wow. Someone asking one of these people the right questions instead of fawning and pandering

@MHS-ql7ee

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it must be incredibly hard for one to question obvious man about his creepy public behaviour than, say, Blaire Robert White, Buck Susan Angel or Sarah Higdon who want to be seen as the good, true ones. I wonder if Andrew would have the same measurement of courage to ask them the same sort of hard-hitting questions or would he proceed a bit more gingerly? When the targets are easy, bullseyes are easier to score after all.

@ullscarf

3 ай бұрын

To be fair, 'Katy' was a good sport, honest and realistic - not playing victim or mouthing tired clichés.

@JMLgymnut

3 ай бұрын

...yet still addressing him by a female name 🙄

@dreimalnein22

3 ай бұрын

The hardest / best about this conversation is for someone in Katy's position to listen to the questions and think about them. Even if one does not see the fetish gear perspective for one self yet.

@lynnm6413

3 ай бұрын

@@ullscarf if you think he was honest about AGP you still have a LOT of reading to do…habe at it1

I think the need for acceptance vs tolerance is the problem. Whats wrong with non discriminatory/equal rights and not being bothered or harrassed? Why does it need to be that we change language, science, and that a large group (women) have to contort and lose rights and private spaces for the comfort of others? How is that social justice, when it harms and lessens the rights of another group?

@barbarakrall4331

3 ай бұрын

"How is that social justice, when it harms and lessens the rights of another group"? YES, you have hit the nail squarely on the head!!

Excellent interview! I really liked Katy, a very reasonable person indeed. The question raised by her that people should be worried that over 25% of the kids looking for transitioning are autistic/neural divergent is incredibly important, and one I always thought to be far more important than a lot of other questions being made currently. Congratulations on the interview and on the guest selection!

"i havent used a womens space in 10 years!" Then goes into one because a woman invited him in on behalf of every other woman? Yeah not buying it. Total snake.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

Why do some women invite gay male friends into the bathroom? Get a life.

He is not a woman, Andrew. He can live his life any way he chooses because he is free to do so but I am sick of the erosion of the gender female. Call yourself a trans man. Also makeup does not make a woman, nor long hair, nor any external display.

@anantea

3 ай бұрын

He didn't call himself a woman and didn't wear a makeup.

@elsagrakin2570

3 ай бұрын

Katy doesn't have any makeup on though. You should really watch the video before making assumptions.

@flangekiwi

3 ай бұрын

Trans woman in this particular case.

@apebass2215

3 ай бұрын

​@@flangekiwi man in this particular case.

@joce11

3 ай бұрын

​​​@@flangekiwiA male who identifies as T or simply, a man. No disrespect to men who identify as T but using words such as TW implies they are some sort of woman, they're not, they're a type of man.

But it does affect other people. Women and girls specifically are being harmed by the erring on the side of kindness. Every time there is a conflict females are meant to yield. No, no no. A thousand times no.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

If she's not a predator, why are you accusing her of being one?

@blisterfingers8169

Ай бұрын

Every time? Then how did you ever get anything? How did feminist lobby groups get the definition of rape changed in law? (and why but that's another issue)

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

I think the reason the debate has become polarised is because organisations such as Stonewall and Mermaids have adopted a no debate stance, so no option to reach a middle ground, or discuss how the competing needs of different groups can be in conflict.

@NicoleTedesco

3 ай бұрын

Good point. So, when people DO get the chance to say something, what they really think, they blow up from releasing the pent-up pressure. Kaboom!

@philippadowney549

3 ай бұрын

What do you do when the BBC pits you against an individual who has a declared aim of trans elimination? We would not expect that of any other group of people.

This person is discussing the privilege given to men who wanted to move around in the world as women and were therefore were allowed a female passport in the late 1950's to allow safe passage. And yet it was only After the Sex Discrimination Act was passed in 1975, that an actual woman could open a bank account in her own name and apply for a mortgage in her own right without the the countersigning of a man. As for public toilets, women were constrained by what was known as the Urinary Leash. Basically tethering them to the home as there were no designated women's toilets. Our rights have been hard fought for and require protecting.

@rey_nemaattori

3 ай бұрын

For thousands of years the world wasnt littered with toilets either, but that never stopped men from venturing out...the urinary leash is mostly an imaginary barrier...

@veritas4698

3 ай бұрын

@@rey_nemaattori Because men can piss standing up and without getting fully naked and without getting sexually assaulted when they do. Women can't. Women also bleed on regular basis. The only thing imaginary here is your weird view of the world you have conjured in your head where women have/had no issues and reality does not exist.

@user-kc7mu4jp4p

3 ай бұрын

@@rey_nemaattori GOOD POINT, THANK YOU! It was not only an imaginary barrier, in the sense that it was imagined up by men to serve their purpose, but a real psychological barrier erected by MEN against women upon threat of violence and actual violence.

@georgehowarth5932

3 ай бұрын

That 1975 bank account thing is mental..!

@jeanneganrude8549

3 ай бұрын

@@georgehowarth5932I don’t know if that is true. In ‘75 I’d already had a couple years of college and received a visa and “master charge” card. I know I had a bank account that I got on my own.

Being a tomboy wasn't a rebellion for me. I was merely more interested in climbing trees, playing outside, boys toys (not so much dolls). No interest in makeup or feminine clothes until Kate Bush & Debbie Harry entered my life. Prior to that I always preferred trousers because they were practical especially for cycling, messing around in rockpools. I feel sorry for children being confused by adults who think that because they fit my category then they must be a boy.

@flangekiwi

3 ай бұрын

Agreed 👍🏾

@Leepal1969

3 ай бұрын

Kate Bush and Debbie Harry....you're obviously the same age group as me, they were my sisters favourite pop stars too. Ah, the good old days when this gender nonsense didn't really exist. Girls could be tomboys and it wasn't that big of a deal.

@rachell3117

3 ай бұрын

i was the same - loved playing football and climbing trees . Never a big deal just a happy childhood with no adults suggesting maybe I was really a boy...

@MhairiDhairi

3 ай бұрын

Fellow tomboy here - climbing trees, riding skateboards, building forts, competitive sports and collecting spiders in the 70’s…I definitely fear I would have fallen prey to the current climate of social contagion in regards to gender identity. Here I am now, a very happily married mother of two…still have a bit more testosterone than the average woman but somehow look very feminine and complimented constantly on how pretty and young I look. I would have never thought I’d be this comfortable in my body but time has a way of working out our issues

@Mcfly3595

3 ай бұрын

Also I never BECAME a tomboy I always was and still am a tomboy at 60. I’m very much a woman, married with children & grandchildren just never into pink & frilly and not scared of getting my hands dirty by doing diy or maintaining my car.

The way this guy talks about figuring out if someone is a man or a woman is a very male way of going about it. For me it takes only a split second to correctly sex 99.9999% of people, and even the ones who are ambiguous, hair length and clothing isn't something most women rely on to determine someone's sex. That is almost completely a male way of thinking.

@TomsGarage007

3 ай бұрын

how would you determine sex compared to a man? better ability to analyse body language? obviously better when it comes to picking out male from female since you were socialised as a girl, but would you be able to clock trans men (butch women rarely come close to passing compared to feminine men) better than men(?); who were socialised as male. Maybe men just generally worse at telling the difference compared to women, with gender in general since they are less socially intelligent on average and (generally) inattentive to even their own looks (because they don't face the same pressures as women to be physically attractive) - but what specifically do you look out for that makes you better at it?

@BunScholar

3 ай бұрын

@@TomsGarage007 Women don't identity sex by superficial markers like clothing and hair. 99.999% of the time, we can tell someone's sex instantly by looking at them, or hearing them talk. It's innate due to the selection pressure of having to ward off sexually violent males for millennia. In the very rare instance that someone's sex is ambiguous, again hair and clothing don't matter, instead we look at the over-all body language, shape of the body, hand size, head size, and voice.

@jessicavergara1932

3 ай бұрын

It’s funny, I believe that there’s a of study where women will pick someone’s sex with much more accuracy than the men in the study, solely based on someone’s gait. It sounds like we can quickly tell whether someone is male or female and it has little to do with their appearance. Another reason men won’t get it.

@BunScholar

3 ай бұрын

@@jessicavergara1932 Exactly! It's innate. Asking us to describe how we know if someone is a man or a woman is as silly as asking us how we can tell that candy is sweet. It's sweet because we can taste it. It's a man because we can sense it before we even have time to make a conscious judgment. The other part of the issue is that we automatically are wary of men who push boundaries, and men who show up in women's spaces, like restrooms, locker rooms etc, will come across as dangerous simply because they are violating social norms. And yes, transwomen come across as men in this scenario.

@angelaratzay9034

2 ай бұрын

Walk, talk, mannerisms neck size, what makes them laugh sometimes vulgarity. Hands. Instinct.

It seems to me that artists like Bowie etc. don't adorn make up to be feminine or express 'gender differences'; to me it's more an expression of flamboyance with has nothing to do with sex or gender.

@blisterfingers8169

Ай бұрын

They were just having some fun and being all "Ooooo, aren't I subversive."

He sounds reasonable then talks about how he’s breached women’s boundaries by using women’s changing rooms! If he really respected women he wouldn’t do that. Any man who ignores women’s boundaries and enters women’s same sex safe spaces weakens the safeguarding of women and girls. Another interesting interview and good to hear both sides.

@Qrtuop

3 ай бұрын

I love the fact that Andrew Gold's comment section has gone full TERF.

@nullavitasinemusica1

3 ай бұрын

@@Qrtuop terf is a silly made up word Almost no woman has read radical feminist theory But all women know what a bloke is

@ConnieWobbles

3 ай бұрын

​@@nullavitasinemusica1terf isn't supposed to be literal. It's a slur that women have taken back for themselves. It's just shorthand.

@tarksurmani6335

3 ай бұрын

Katy Jon breached women's boundaries by using family cubicle? Where should they change? As the question was proposed in the talk, what should a single father with daughters do? Take em to male changing room/ male toilet? Family cubicle sounded like fairly reasonable to be fair.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

@@Qrtuop what I love is that terf was created as an insult and as women have done throughout history, it has been adopted and reimagined as a badge worn with pride.

41:34 “do you or did you get any kind of sexual kick out of presenting as a woman?” Very interesting how long it took to start answering that question & how long winded that answer was. Interesting how yes or no wasn’t the answer. This tells me the answer is yes.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. Watched it with the other half and he said the same.

@KatyJonWent

3 ай бұрын

Because I was last asked that 18 years ago and it's been a long time since the question had any meaning

@Toca_waffle843

3 ай бұрын

I'm guessing you're used to repeating yourself by now - :)@@KatyJonWent

@lil-al

3 ай бұрын

@@KatyJonWent That shouldn't have made any difference to the length of time it took you to answer the question.

@KatyJonWent

3 ай бұрын

40-45+ years ago there was possibly an element of the forbidden about it but not sexual as I was pre any puberty. After that there was some "sensual" kick. I remember 18 years ago in therapy saying "I hope this IS a fetish, as I don't want to be trans". I worked through that, for 20 years, it became about avoiding being trans. These periods overlapped. I saw therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, a social worker, and even Christian ministers, in the end trans felt like a reluctant fate. There's been neither sensual nor sexual kick for 15 odd years. So I guess my answer is... it wasn't, it was, it isn't any more. Sorry if that's yes and no.

Nobody is mistaking this man for a woman or his friend for a man. People are trying to guess what he wants to hear, because his cult has gotten so powerful that saying the wrong thing can cost people their livelihood.

@lotteingerslev5776

3 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@sueedwards9334

3 ай бұрын

Only if you all go along with his delusion. Call him he. Make him face reality.

To 'politicise' a sexual perversion is absurd.

It isn’t ‘a little less likely’ that men will develop breast cancer. It is A LOT less likely…. According to the American Cancer Society: Breast cancer in men is rare - less than 1 percent of all breast cancer occurs in men.

@CassyCat4

2 ай бұрын

Trans fems are such a minority thats why, Biologically they form in to the same breasts as women if you medically transition so same risks.

@Primalxbeast

Ай бұрын

But estrogen increases the risk for breast cancer. Women who start menopause late are more likely to get breast cancer. A man taking female hormones for decdes would probably be more likely to get breast cancer than other men even if they're still less likely to get it than women.

@ginaweith9475

Ай бұрын

@@Primalxbeast yes for biological women it is important to know how long you’ve been exposed to estrogen, age when you started menses and age when you started menopause. The longer your exposure to estrogen, the higher the risk for breast cancer. As for men taking estrogen, we will see if that increases the number of men diagnosed with breast cancer. The current data says that men are less than 1% of all breast cancer diagnoses. We do not have longitudinal studies on the impacts of men taking female hormones or of women taking male hormones. The big numbers of trans identifying people are in the 2 youngest generations 24% and 28% and it will be years before we have data that can confirm or deny estrogen increasing breast cancer in biological males. Until the data is in, we cannot declare that estrogen increases the risk of breast cancer in men. Men have some estrogen just as women naturally have some testosterone. I haven’t seen any studies linking current breast cancer cases in men to their lower levels of estrogen. If you’ve seen some, please let me know.

@Primalxbeast

Ай бұрын

@ginaweith9475 KZread's algorithm must be drunk. For some reason, your reply to me seems to be hidden. I can see it in my notifications, but it doesn't seem to be showing up in the comment thread. You didn't say anything that could be offensive. Yes, men taking cross sex hormones probably still have less of a risk for breast cancer than women. I started menses in elementary school, and I'm 53 and still having periods, although they're getting unpredictable. So, I probably have a higher risk, but at least it puts off osteoporosis for a bit longer.

Children dont question "gender" unless put in front of them.

@nellymoo635

3 ай бұрын

Yes, the vegan cat analogy.

@pommiebears

3 ай бұрын

I was a tomboy. A really tomboy type of tomboy. I was often mistaken for a boy. I hit puberty and I grew my hair and went about as feminine as the late 80’s allowed. Can you imagine if I was a tomboy these days? I’d have been transitioned in an instant! My Dad didn’t care I was a tomboy. He just let it happen and knew I’d grow out of it.

@fabiantombers4966

3 ай бұрын

I dressed up and put on makeup all the time when I was a little boy and I grew up in a tiny conservative village. When I met my first trans person, I was 19 or 20.

@matthewatwood8641

3 ай бұрын

​@@fabiantombers4966You were influenced to do that.

@fabiantombers4966

3 ай бұрын

@@matthewatwood8641 I’m sure you know this better then I do lol. It was actually the kids who bullied me for it, it was my dad who was so angry about it his head looked like a tomato when he was screaming and it was also my teachers who made me explain myself in front of a laughing class at 8 years old why I was always lending hairclips from the girls. Absolutely laughable what you are saying. Genderqueer expressions of different kinds have been a part of human history since the beginning of records. The fact that you are willing to ignore this shows how ignorant and ideologically stuck y‘all are. Gender dysphoria is a legitimate phenomenon that we have documents of going back thousands of years. You literally heard someone speak about it in this interview. There are reasonable debates to be had on trans issues but the plain and honest existence of people should really not be up for debate.

This guy is nuts and definetely not a woman.

@Happyzebra-sb1vz

2 ай бұрын

yep, if I saw him walking towards me, I'd quickly cross to the other side of the street.

Funny how there wasn't an issue creating facilities for disabled people but we can't imagine having single facilities for people who need them. No trans person should use anything other than their birth sex or independent facilities - that might be awkward for them but their rights to feel better should not supercede females or males rights to single sex places, safety and independence.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

Restrooms have nothing to do with anyone's rights, you idiot.

And the trans widows are left to cope as best they can or cannot!

@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for this Joy!

@elenawilliams32

3 ай бұрын

I remember my fathers friend transitioned when he was around 50. Devastating his wife and 3 teenage boys. That poor woman, the lies and deceit, the humiliation, shame, etc... then she had to - on top of everything else, be strong for her 3 teenage boys who were equally as devastated and were relentlessly teased at school for their Dad being a 'c*ck in a frock'. (That's what I remember the boys chanting at them, all whilst going through puberty themselves. They say ' I've always known' . Why did they ever get married and have children then. The selfishness knows no bounds.

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

Wonderful that people are finally speaking up against this. The tide is slow but it IS turning

@SpookeyClown

3 ай бұрын

I doubt it. People got hypercritical about the social change of gay people's acceptance in spaces like camp counselors or boyscouts or marriage or adoption. That didn't change the fact that the social change became acceptable and voted for. This is just another social movement which will be accepted one day.

@joygallavan6790

3 ай бұрын

@@SpookeyClown acceptance of both the Gay and Trans agendas has gone way way down,or more likely we were told we were ok with it and for a while we didnt question that fact but then we woke out of our stupor and said "hang on this is not ok" Most people are not happy with gay adoption,openly gay teachers ect and the trans issue after about 10 years max has reached its peak,I think you will find there is a massive push back coming and we are heading into a new puritanical age

@azillliasmith2734

3 ай бұрын

@@joygallavan6790agree

@joce11

3 ай бұрын

​@@SpookeyClownI don't know about that. I'm gay and this has really affected LGB people negatively. People think we supported this and they'd be forgiven for thinking that given the LGBT blah, blah and pride flags etc. Perception matters so much so that LGB acceptance in society is going down. If LGB people had any sense they'd be out in their masses supporting women and kids.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

@@joce11 So being trans means you're a predator? lol. I thought trans women were mostly confused gay men? You people really can't stick to one subject.

I have no problem with trans people living as the opposite sex, (there is obviously some form of dysphoria in their lives.) It's the insistence that they ARE the opposite sex, and the insistence that everyone else must accept it, that causes friction. If only they accepted that they are Transexuals and stopped forcing themselves into women only areas, (TIMs) there would be less criticism, and everyone would get on with their own lives. You cannot change your biology, you have to learn to live with it. You cannot force women to accept men into women only spaces. Altering official documents to reflect someone's dysphoria is wrong.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

Why do you say you have no problem with them doing that, but then misgender them? Obviously you have a problem with it.

@wolfhugs2221

2 ай бұрын

@@azkadeliaray521 trans people midgender themselves. To call them by their biological sex is telling the truth. It's wrong to lie.

I’ve lived in Leeds for 10 years which has a huge LGBT scene. My personal experience is that… everyone I’ve met that recognised gender dysphoria, identified it, told their friendship circle then transitioned and went on with their lives and didn’t bring it to the forefront of ever single conversation or interaction with strangers are some of the nicest people I’ve met and some have remained friends. They even accepted that after knowing them for 5-10 years we might slip up and deadname them. For reference I’m in my 30s and my mum still calls me my brothers name ffs. It was an issue that they realised and dealt with like any private problem and then continued on as they wanted with little to no grievance… There is however another group of trans people who bring it up at the start of every conversation, become irate when you slip up, blame everyone for not getting what they want when they want, looking into every sentence to find fault and generally trying to ride the grey area to perpetuate victimhood despite not doing anything other than focusing purely on their identity… it makes it exhausting, nauseating, self centric and to a point you learn nothing else about them other than their trans identity… I don’t care about what you have in your pants or where you want to put it… The former group I mentioned that I personally know are vocally frustrated with the latter as it does nothing but damage their integration into society… an integration of which they just want to get on with their life and seem to do so easily unlike the latter people who want it to be their entire existence… I hate creating stereotype groups but this for me, I am unable to ignore because it’s so clearly split and one I’ve had voiced to me by trans people who are almost trying to distance themselves with the ‘fashionable’ trans community. An anecdotal story but a poignant one… I knew a female transitioned to male and one day went into a shift at a bar… after 3 years of transitioning decided to wear a dress and put in long dreads and wear sleeves to cover the hairy arms… guy came to the bar and said she is serving me… ape shit… crazy… transphobe… etc etc… I’ve never seen anyone gaslight that hard but sadly they were asked to leave… the smile after they get thrown out infuriated me.

@dianedoody6408

3 ай бұрын

You wrote an essay !

Never change your language. It's the first step to total confusion.

@kellysouter4381

3 ай бұрын

I don't believe in cis either. Made up nonsense.

@owen3721

13 күн бұрын

Most women are intersectional, trans-inclusive feminists. If you're neither, you're not a feminist, just anti-trans. Would you want an AFAB trans man with a beard and massive arms in the restroom with you?

Note: in the 80s it was not called "gender rebellion" (the term Katy used in this interview), it was called "gender bending" and it was an awful lot of fun. Otherwise, my impression of this conversation is of two jocular blokes making light of what are very serious issues for women, children and trans widows.

@leoandmeg

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely - this is nothing more than two blokes having a chat.

@sallywright8065

3 ай бұрын

I agree, I lived the 80’s. Gender bending was the thing.

@H-youtube7

3 ай бұрын

There was rebellion against the older post-war generation and social norms. Nothing to do with changing gender. We all know what is referred to as a bender.

@Happyzebra-sb1vz

2 ай бұрын

Yes, two males mansplaining and their misogyny is showing.

The way many trans get around admitting what this is, is they think "fetish" means, "I want to go to town right now". Its not just sexual, its romantic as well. They get butterflies in their stomach. Its "exciting". ALL sexual feelings, just not at the level of "porn". Like all 'relationships' over time the sexual becomes less and it evolves into a pleasing feeling, like being with your spouse. Its honestly a very sad existence.

He asks where are trans people like himself supposed to change, meanwhile earlier in the video he was talking about how women fought for their own bathrooms...there's your answer, fight for third "gender neutral" bathrooms.

@KatyJonWent

3 ай бұрын

I do fight for these and not as replacements for M & F bathrooms but in addition

So in men’s changing rooms, he’s never been attacked. (One of the myths TRAs like to promote)) He also agrees he doesn’t “pass“. I think he doesn’t want to use men’s changing rooms now because he knows he just looks silly.

@janed811

3 ай бұрын

He looks silly wherever he goes.

@edricawebb1578

3 ай бұрын

Better to look silly in a men's room than to look threatening in a women's room.

@littleboots9800

3 ай бұрын

Even IF transwomen were being attacked in men's toilets and changing rooms, why must women bear the burden of giving up their safety to protect men from the violence of other men?

@anantea

3 ай бұрын

@@edricawebb1578 He doesn't look threatening at all.

@thisismyyoutubeaccount3322

3 ай бұрын

The changing room attacks seem to almost exclusively happen in schools. Kids will be kids; bullies gonna bully.

Let’s be honest this is ridiculous all the person has is long hair

@weedblossom77

3 ай бұрын

and a woman's name...and why would women refuse to let "katie" into the bathroom?

@Welcome2TheInternet

3 ай бұрын

and tits. and no dick. and a new clit.

@llengsuch3426

3 ай бұрын

Plus actual D cup breasts and no todger - as discussed in the video - if we're being honest.

@hayleylongster4698

3 ай бұрын

​@@weedblossom77Little "Katie" 😂😂

@Karen-us3ls

3 ай бұрын

He claims to have a clitoris right at the start of the video!

We don’t walk the same way. Women can recognize a male gait near-immediately; it is an evolutionary adaptation, necessary for our safety.

@jessicavergara1932

3 ай бұрын

I recall that there was a study on this! Super interesting

@blisterfingers8169

Ай бұрын

@@jessicavergara1932 That was one study with a tiny sample size that proved nothing. The people who wrote it said so in the conclusion. This is the exact same as the trans brain studies. Tiny sample size. Conclusion being it proves nothing.

@amybaker1233

Ай бұрын

The male pelvis dictates how men walk, sit, stand. The size & shape is different for very important reasons, female pelvis shape is biologically different to allow the birth process. That is why women walk differently, no amount of hormone replacement will ever change that!

A You problem doesn't become a Me problem especially when you caused it. If I got gang tattoos all over my face and got upset when jobs turned me down and when mothers herded their kids away, would it be crazy for me to blame bigotry? Responsibility for one's actions whether good or bad is necessary for stable societies.

Thanks for the interview Andrew. I am very tired of hearing these peoples arguments. When this situation was extremely rare and most of these people were respectful to others, society could shrug their shoulders and let it go. Now, the ideology is going after our children and some of these men are boldly and rudely going into women's spaces. I have personally had to deal with this, I am a women. It should be completely illegal for any type of man to go into any women's spaces, whether they still have their 'willy' or not. Birth certificates should not be allowed to be changed and when these people break laws, abuse or harm others the records should indicate their biological sex. As a woman I am getting really sick of all of this.

@joce11

3 ай бұрын

TBH I think the majority of folks are getting sick of it.

@catsandcrows8880

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely, spot on.

@kimryan8574

3 ай бұрын

Hi yes agree totally

Woah! Hold my socks!!! "I have had men who have refused to share a space with me". So clearly the alternative is to go into womens spaces because I guess if they refuse at least you have the dominance and upperhand over them? Mother flipping cactus. I'm 33m in. This has been a great and critical debate so far I have really enjoyed points from both sides. He just the quiet part outloud though, making women uncomfortable is easier for him than making himself or other men uncomfortabke. Mother flipping toast.

@sueedwards9334

3 ай бұрын

Guess what, men don’t like freakish people undressing in their spaces either.

@EvaWharehoka-dub44

3 ай бұрын

yes

I see 2 men having a discussion. Full stop.

Hes a man trying to make sense of what he is and how he feels and says his position on trans ideology has changed over the years. Hes not saying hes a women. Hes trying to make sense of it all. Hes still a man so therefore should not be using women only spaces but I respect his right to be what ever he wants and to dress as he likes as long as it doesnt infringe on my rights as a woman.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

Why are you so triggered to call her a she then? The whole point of being trans is to live as close to being the opposite sex.

1) "Woman" isn't a social construct. The social constructs are the individual stereotypes (Clothing, hairstyles, personality etc). We each choose a unique set of stereotypes not "man", "woman" or "non-binary". Choosing female stereotypes (and making superficial changes to their body via surgery) does not make someone a woman. 2) Nobody can "identify as" a woman because membership of the "woman" group is based on biology. 3) Nobody can "feel like" a woman. A woman knows from her biology that she's a woman. There's no evidence that there's a single common feeling of "woman" because it's impossible to compare the feelings of people. And women have individual feelings that depend on specific biology (Periods, pregnancy, menopause etc).

@igo9481

3 ай бұрын

"women born without reproductive organs aren't real women" real genius take

@The.only.thing.is.the.crossing

2 ай бұрын

Any males who enter womens spaces are PREDATORS. this male is a predator.

@shannonbrown7488

Ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly! How would he know what it feels like to be a woman, any more than I would know what it feels like to be a man? Moreover who says all women feel the same as women? My experience and feelings are my own and are not representative of all women but rather are my own.

@jle42

Ай бұрын

Common sense halleluja, but please dont talk truth, you'll be labeled 'phobic' because you have a thinking brain. People ruled by 'feelings' struggle with being in touch with basic rational thought, i.e. thinking. They still refuse to define what it is they 'identify' as - thinking you are something but refuse to give it concise linguistic definition makes the thing you think you are...imaginary. A womb is not an imaginary social construct. Its real. People with that are ....woman. Feelings gets you nowhere. Please bring 'patriarchal' rationality back.

A man is a MAN and a woman is a WOMAN, always was and ALWAYS will be. The end

@wetawatcher

3 ай бұрын

Google “intersex” to see it’s not so black and white at birth for some.Sad.😎

The problem with having rights is at some points one groups rights will infringe upon another , a female bathroom should only be accessible to women , so if trans women have a right to use female bathrooms this infringes upon the womans right, same with sport, The thing Ive noticed is women seem to be suffering far more than men, if it affected men more trans people might have less power

@barbarakrall4331

3 ай бұрын

Yes, several others have commented that when trans women are uncomfortable it usually means that women are expected to yield and absorb / put up with the discomfort.

@blisterfingers8169

Ай бұрын

@@barbarakrall4331 It's been nothing but acquiescing to women for decades. You have more programs, more funding, more protections etc etc. Now these guys want a piece and they're using the same playbook to get it. It ain't right but neither was feminist lobby groups getting the definition of rape in law changed.

We become intolerant of another group when they insist that we must accept them fully. Say for example, if a person was against all religions. But they don't force anyone to give up their religion, then we all get along. The moment that person, insists that everyone be against religion, is the moment they will get push back from all religions. So the moment any special person or group, insists that everyone else think and believe the same way, is the moment people become intolerant.

Thanks Andrew. Katy, i didnt really get that you cared about how women and girls feel in changing rooms...it felt a little ' me me me'...the problem is youve never experienced what being a women is....

@KatyJonWent

3 ай бұрын

I've spoken about that elsewhere it's why most of the time I avoid gendered spaces altogether, use disabled where possible (as I am) and support SS spaces in prison, refuges etc

@kathleeningham308

3 ай бұрын

Stay out of women's spaces altogether. You're a man, FFS.

@fightforyourfreedomsnow

3 ай бұрын

That’s because it is always about them with these individuals honestly that’s why there’s a growing amount of “anti trans” going on. It’s blatantly selfish to disregard someone else’s safety just because you “feel” like a you’re a woman. And the way they carry on tells me it’s not about using the bathroom it’s more about getting their way & probably getting off on it. 🤮

@ColleenCooper-gc3wi

3 ай бұрын

@@KatyJonWent thats good to hear, Katy..thanks.

@azillliasmith2734

3 ай бұрын

@@KatyJonWentit's selfish to use the disabled toilet if you are not disabled 🙄

He's and AGP. End of. But i'm glad you did the interview. hopefully others will see the obsurdity of his thoughts

Strange these brain studies keep being quoted, as the only reason such studies can be conducted is because of the body of previous work is based on the binary of what a women and a man actually is.

I think this was an excellent discussion. Katy did a remarkable job in explaining and spoke so much common sense. I found this conversation fascinating; we certainly need more of these kinds of solid, reality driven discussions. Thank you, Katy. And by the way, I am a Christian and do see things a bit differently in this arena, but I do appreciate your honesty and integrity and courage. And thank you Andrew for inviting Katy on your channel.

The narcissism is self evident. Good for you, Andrew, asking the questions so we can observe the responses. Questions which are regarded as 'transphobic' merely because they seek accurate answers.

@cynthia3385

3 ай бұрын

Narcissism + Misogyny = Common characteristics seen in the trans community. Serious question..... If I identify as a millionaire, is my bank required to affirm me and deposit a million dollars in my bank account? #FreeCriticalThinking

@BoojayDeeth

3 ай бұрын

Did you watch the interview?

@themurrrr

3 ай бұрын

Narcissism!? What on earth are you on about?

@connor5669

3 ай бұрын

​@@themurrrr Every trans person is a narcissist to them.

@BoojayDeeth

3 ай бұрын

The interviewee didn't seem particularly narcissistic to me.

No compromises possible on this issue. There is NO fence to ride.

@Qrtuop

3 ай бұрын

Correct

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

The "compromise" appears to be the whole of society upturning social norms, which exist for safety and dignity, to appease a small number of people who are suffering with a psychological issue.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

That's the thing. This guy is talking as though there's a happy medium or halfway point. There isn't, as to compromise means risking women and children's safety.

@DrDeuteron

3 ай бұрын

@@wolfhugs2221well, if safety is the driver, we need to roll back the 🌈 stuff. And a lil segregation might be justified. If not apartheid. … hmm, maybe eugenics? Definitely safe.

@azkadeliaray521

2 ай бұрын

@@wolfhugs2221 No it doesn't. I'm a woman and have no issue with it.

I like him. I feel his plight. But he is no friend to women if he is using our spaces, and knowing that he doesn't pass. He is knowingly making women feel uncomfortable.

I dont have a problem if blokes want to identify as women, but should not be allowed into women's spaces. We shouldn't be forced to agree with the ideology or pronouns. I also feel we shouldn't be cruel to individuals if they choose to live however they want. They should be separate spaces for them. People who don't agree with this ideology shouldn't be made to feel guilty. There's two genders, which is a fact. However people should recpect other peoples choices to want to live this way, but they should have separate spaces. Biology says that they are not female. It's wrong that women are having to fight yet again for their right.

@Happyzebra-sb1vz

2 ай бұрын

They cannot identify as women because they are not women. They are men, end of. Can they like and adopt stereotypical feminine fashion? yes. Can they have fake breasts slapped on their chests? yes, if they're consenting adults. Their choice to "live as women" ends when it infringes on women. Sex matters. Sex is reality. Gender roles and stereotypes are social and cultural.

I think you could call it something else as it's not technically a clitoris

@KatyJonWent

3 ай бұрын

Correct medical term is neoclitoris

@yachwb

3 ай бұрын

Why did you refer to it as a clitoris then?

@Wolf-zp5iw

3 ай бұрын

@@KatyJonWent man-made horrors beyond your comprehension would be a more accurate description. Mutilated penis would also be more accurate. The clitoris is a sex characteristic of the female sex/genitals, something you are not and do not have.

@lynnm6413

3 ай бұрын

@@yachwb because it goes against his Autogynephilia fantasy

@SkepticalTeacher

3 ай бұрын

It's a chopped sausage!😂

I respect Katy for coming to talk on camera, but he is clearly a guy with long hair.

@viida.p

3 ай бұрын

Yes, you are right, he is A Man Who cut his penis and grew more breast tissue.

@pommiebears

3 ай бұрын

Being a woman is nothing more than a costume and breasts, it seems. Charming.

@Nahugodia

3 ай бұрын

True

A few years ago my teenage niece ran up to and said "auntie! I like bananas!" I was confused and said "you do? Ok then, thats good" She laughed and said "But I had never eaten one because I thought that I wouldnt like them!" And of course I laughed. True story. The point to this story is twofold. Firstly, how can you KNOW that you feel like you are woman if you have never been one? You simply cant say that you like the taste of a banana if you have never tried one. Second. Pretending that you have eaten a banana to convince yourself that you know what a banana tastes like, describing its taste, reliving the memory of tasting it is idiocy at best and mental illness at worst. Unfortunately, its the mental illness part that we should ALL be afraid of.

@lil-al

3 ай бұрын

Thinking that "woman" is a feeling is a huge red flag.

He's trying so hard to appear "nice" and "reasonable" but it's as see through as Nana's undies.

Part way through and this is hard work. He's utterly self involved and so unaware of the anxiety that women have from the presence of men in places they shouldnt be.

@connor5669

3 ай бұрын

Self involved? Isn't this an interview about trans people?

@yvonnesanders4308

3 ай бұрын

Concept of other people and their feelings

@jossangeles4011

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. He also talks quickly so that other thoughts can't counter. Either that or he is extremely nervous and rattles on.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

@@connor5669 in terms of his interaction with the world, he has very little consideration of how his decisions impact others.

@wolfhugs2221

3 ай бұрын

@@jossangeles4011 good point. I suspect living that way would necessitate being impervious to other people, but it sounded more like someone sounding off to their mate in the pub than a conversation.

I love that both of you are open to having a conversation even though you don't necessarily agree. I really miss the time when a difference of opinion was the the beginning of an interesting conversation instead of an argument or worse.

@whitedragondojo

3 ай бұрын

Bedroom COSPLAY, let's have a real debate.

I think the gender discussion are enforcing stereotypes of men and women and completely disregard the huge variances within the sexes which leads to drastic irreversible choices by some young people as they do not feel like they fit into their gender - based on a hyper focus on prejudices and stereotypes about what they should be and feel like in their gender. No one is simply just a gender on legs, we are all individuals with a lot more to it than that

At the intro I was going to turn off this video, so glad I didn't, Katy speaks about trans so eloquently and makes so much sense. Nothing was off the table and everything explained reasonably. Good interview, really enjoyed it.

Removing trans from the psychological condition list was a mistake. They could have reformed of how they treat trans people but now we have popularized which should have stayed as a small group

@victorvernaza5246

3 ай бұрын

When they removed?

@ls-l1518

3 ай бұрын

It's not really changed yet. He is wrong. We are not on ICD 12, as he said. We are on ICD 10. Gender dysphoria is classified like this. In DSM 5, it's classified as a mental disorder. There are DISCUSSIONS over how to classify it. And you are right, it should of course be classified as a mental disorder. Applicable To Gender dysphoria, unspecified Gender incongruence, unspecified Gender-role disorder NOS The following code(s) above F64.9 contain annotation back-references that may be applicable to F64.9: F01-F99 Mental, Behavioral and Neurodevelopmental disorders