As someone who owns neither mirages let me tell you that you're wrong, the mirage is the most perfect aircraft ever made and I will not accept your negative propaganda.

@echo-et8cn

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@BlackStar-nk7du

3 жыл бұрын

best comment xd

@absboodoo

3 жыл бұрын

Blink twice if you are being held hostage by a baguette.

@linxy-off

2 жыл бұрын

@@absboodoo he is my hostage lmao Tbh it is sad to hear that the mirage is bad in war thunder because in real life this thing was a beast I hope gaijin will fix that

The perfect start of the video instead of this would be something like:"So you are wondering if War Thunder is worth your time..."

@Feuervix

3 жыл бұрын

And i gonna Tell you that right now its not

@Asspiss100

5 ай бұрын

I know this is 2 years late but I just got the f15 and no. Its not

Exactly what I was waiting for. Spread the word of us mirage enjoyers suffering! Thank you for this video DEFYN, great job as always! You know this plane is bad when you have to fly it like a Vautour.

I don't own the 3E but knowing my extensive knowledge of physics, if you mount the bombs you are heavier and therefore faster since heavier things go faster. You can probably go pretty fast idk.

@ro_5907

3 жыл бұрын

In a dive maybe yes... But acceleration? No ahahaha

@silverfortytwo9506

3 жыл бұрын

is this bait?

@lucaslescure8976

3 жыл бұрын

Kinetics would require more power for more weight when it comes to on the deck accel. Though you arent wrong lol, term velocity is higher.

@_ZenX_

3 жыл бұрын

@@silverfortytwo9506 no

@turbonut1

3 жыл бұрын

@@_ZenX_ you are correct! I have a PhD in astrophysics so I think I know what I'm talking about!!!!

Yep i went through exactly what ur talking about. Grinded the entire french tree and spaded this thing and it was the most miserable experience ever. French tree is pain.

@labaguettefrancaise7504

3 жыл бұрын

Because gaijin hate and nerf all french vehicule

@gliderfs621

2 жыл бұрын

At this point, this is pure free hate and French bashing. And I don’t understand the point of doing that, why they hates so much France ?

@chris.tarlagias

Жыл бұрын

French tree is bread?

The pure pain in this poor guys voice, especially at the end, makes me wanna buy him a coffee or something, if I could do that I genuinely would, but I don't have money. Guess I'll have to rob someone

@theycallmeJacko

3 жыл бұрын

It's for a good cause

@n1thecaptain965

3 жыл бұрын

@@theycallmeJacko Exactly

@Blitzcreeper239

3 жыл бұрын

Not that I don't have money for a coffee, I don't have his address and neither do I know how I'd mail a coffee nice and hot to his doorstep from probably halfway across the globe.

Found myself coming back to this during the 2000 grind. I would agree back when this was uploaded, but honestly now with the all-aspects having flares is 100% worth the disadvantages.

@TomatoSaucy

Жыл бұрын

Did they change anything with the plane or is it the same?

imagine using this shit when we were taught how to dominate on strategic bombers

Totally agreed! I "worship" the IIIC for a lack of better words but the IIIE just doesn't cut it for air RB. the only positive aspect about it over the IIIC is that it has more purpose in ground RB at least, thanks to all the bells and whistle mentioned here but also because it gets a ballistic computer for all unguided ammunitions. Sure it doesn't carry as much as the Jaguar A but at least it does have better chance to survive there.

Never seen him this mad before lol

@b_n_z2929

3 жыл бұрын

lol youve missed out on some real good videos then xD

This video makes me feel a bit better about not having to grind 1 more mirage to have le true mirage experience, thanks!

Bro, you deserve to be way bigger. You are literally the best war Thunder pilot out there. Keep doing what u do

I honestly agree with absolutely everything you've said. I've got around 500 battles with the IIIC and 100 with the IIIE and holy shit if there's a notable difference. Your claim about the stock grind "GE was made for this plane" is so fucking spot on, this shit was a fucking brick I couldnt imagine I was actually flying a Mirage and not a fucking B-29

But you forgot the most important thing, the diving and flat spin time graphs! Because the IIIE is heavier clearly it dives and falls better! Gotta remember this guiss, itsss so improtant!

@TheDAWinz

3 жыл бұрын

LOL Dives so good you aren't able to pull out!

When you are frustrated the dutch accent comes out so strong.

I'm a CAS main player just now getting into Jets and enjoying AR mode a lot now. Just wanted to say THANKS for the lessons in maneuvers and gunning on the MiG-9's content you created before :)

I am glad it wasnt just me. I had more problems with the 3E stock grind than with the 104 stock grind

0:18 Like the entire French tech tree I think… (And yep, I’m french, and it hurt alot to see such CRRRRAAAAAAAP is the air French tech tree)

based ending sentance

@JetFan_

3 жыл бұрын

his version of a victory royale, no more playing the plane :)

I used to love the IIIC, but after they nerfed its surface deflection I really hoped the IIIE would be better but it's worse :(

@gliderfs621

2 жыл бұрын

What’s surface deflection ? I don’t play top tiers ?

@whiskersthecatboi

2 жыл бұрын

@@gliderfs621 I'm not top tier but I'm "Korea" tier and recently the F-86s were nerfed in the same was and basically reduces your maneuverability horribly and idk if they changed it back to normal cuz I haven't played the sabres since my horrible experience with the sabre since the change

@gliderfs621

2 жыл бұрын

@@whiskersthecatboi I played F86 on a friend’s account and it was truly horrible. My feeling was this bad maybe because i only played low tier planes, but I felt like it was still very sluggish, slow, heavy and has a very poor maneuverability. That’s why I rather play props in low tier, where the game is much more fun in my opinion.

@whiskersthecatboi

2 жыл бұрын

@@gliderfs621 OhH also it depends because if it was the 86A-5 it's the worse the other ones are better since the don't have the leading edge slats

Watching this video now with f14 and aim9l its the complete oposite, the rwr is useful for notching, the flares for aim9l, this plane deserves a second review at this current meta

After 2 days of suffering in this I said enough, I was having great time with the IIIC so I was excited that this one is gonna be even better, boy was I wrong, straight away I had a feeling that something is wrong with it, not turning like the C not accelerating one turn and 500kph was lost, sitting duck for any incoming missile....

@gliderfs621

2 жыл бұрын

We really should say stop to Gaijin. Keeping making French planes crap like this, this not a joke at this point, this is pure hate and frenchbashing…

Defyn: This Mirage is total dogshit! Also Defyn: continues to wreck everyone's shit with a dogshit plane regardless

The fact is french tech is so much « claqué au sol » (destroyed on the ground -> fucked up) that I don’t want Gaijin to add another french plane in the tech tree. I don’t want to see my favorite plane ever, the Mirage F1, being destroyed by Gaijin. No more planes, no more pain to see all these planes that makes dream so much French kids once…

Loving all of the uploads recently

This plane is extremely enjoyable at its BR right now, it rarely gets uptiered with the new BR and you stomp america most matches

defyn, as a time traveller, i know that your future video are gonna be f-89.

Bruh, I've been saying this shit since I got the III C. It's one of the worst stock grinds I've experienced (the Jaguar beat it tho bc that thing is pure suffering). So many people, KZreadrs especially, don't focus on the stock grind, and only focus on upgraded performance, so I'm glad you put emphasis on it here. I've been hating flying the III C as it is because frankly without the Magics, that plane is worthless. But thanks for saving me the heart-ache and pain of grinding this plane (I unlocked it in a few days of release but haven't played much bc I hate it).

That's why I always fly in a way to create the right opportunity for the radar missiles. 1/3 of my kills are with it, but this plane requires the most situational awareness and route planning to perform well.

@kokonidas_9873

3 жыл бұрын

meanwhile me in mig-21bis I don't care about these details I just fly and kill what is avaible around me xD

@Shadowhunterbg

3 жыл бұрын

@@kokonidas_9873 That is why i hate the Bis. It requires no discipline at all and plz deinstall the cloak field. Getting killed by invisible Mig21Bis sucks.

This needs a revisit in the new meta we have now

Oh good, I can stop spading the Jaguar to unlock the IIIE now

Mirage IIIE is damn good now.

They are, I have a clip of myself in an F-4E, Mirage launched a Magic at me, relatively level with me, pretty close, and a fairly high angle off my tail, I make a hard turn into the missile and dump flares and the Magic ignored the flares and went straight for me. With their speed and maneuverability, Magics are hands down the best AAMs in the game currently.

@gliderfs621

2 жыл бұрын

Shhhht, stay quiet or Gaijin will nerf it ! They bust everything fun in their game and especially when they are french. (As a french it’s hurt alot)

Thanks a lot for video. Saved me A LOT of time. I was grinding for these and i’m 1 away. Now maybe I go for something else.

Would it be possible to get a re-review of this in the current matchmaker? Or would it essentially be the same? I'm currently using a talisman'd Jaguar E on France and it is not very fun...

idk why but I find your rant about this plane fucking hilarious

Yea, I mostly agree with you unfortunately. I was really excited when I heard this was coming, and the dev server version seemed promising, but the ingame version...….not so much. The 3e takes all the fun parts of the 3c and sacrifices them for flares/rwr/ccip. Its painful how little this plane can pull in comparison to it's predecessor. And the grind for this one hurts since its hard to get guns on when the best pull is like 9g, slow accel, not great roll ( though it can do odd maneuvers when rolling at around 700-900kph to make it flip-flop over in an odd way and bleed speed to get overshoots). The one actual good thing I can say about it is that I've had strangely good luck with flaring out aam with this thing - even the 9j's which notoriously like to ignore flares. My success rate seems better than on the bis and f4 for some reason. Might just be me or it might be that it fires the flares out perpendicular to the bottom plane rather than just dropping them with almost no momentum like the f4's or to both sides where the aam decides to split the difference for the 21bis. That said, I would argue though that the mirage 3c was a pretty doable stock grind for top tier rather than the worst. Being able to dogfight so well made gun kills not too hard to get, you get fast access to the r530 yeety boi, so by mod tier 2 you already have 1 pretty usable missile and 2 9b's that can at least get people to start turning with you since they're expecting a magic. Less suffering than the mig21smt/mf and their r3s forever and hits-galore gsh 23mm shitfest stock grind at least.

Hey DEFYN! suffer in the Do-335-AO. Day 2

Oh, nice. This validates my decision to grind the jaguar first and by the mirages once there is another sale.

The fact that a plane's mass isn't displayed in game is beyond escuses

@jameshodgson3656

3 жыл бұрын

It's displayed on their datasheet on the forum, has been since 2014

Thanks for this! May I ask a review of the actual state of the g91 family from the g91 pre-serie? Thank you again, you don't have an idea how your video helped me along the way of the grind!

enemy on my six me : destroy the target ! teammate : No, i dont think i will

Is there any way to get the decale of yours? It looks awsome, and I really enjoy your videos and this is the only way I can support you

@jallahroyal

3 жыл бұрын

If you mean his left wing tip: it is two decals, you can find them under the Axis section, "Red shield backboard 2" & "Sword and wings" on top

@bencemeszaros3241

3 жыл бұрын

@@jallahroyal Thank U

defyn angry scares me

Tbh I really love my mirage, and now is a great time to stock grind it because of all the f4f new players. I got magic missiles on mine in 10-15 games

I actually kinda like it. The energy retention is ever so slightly better than the IIIC. Although I can't say that either of them are my go-to top tiers...

Well, too late for me. Stock grind without premium but I did it. However in the very first match I instantly noticed that it was much more sluggish than the C and it has some weird problem with rudder too.

Angmryy defyn

this thing is really good for Ground a much needed change for it. Jaguar was the only over option for CAS which is eh for 10.7.

0:23 when you forgot to unplug that damn iron

Nice, I liked the jokes. Top tier being the biggest of them.

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I did grind it when it first hit the live server and I it was so bad I though they nerfed it to the ground, but actually no it is just like that. Stock grind was the worst ever, I would literally play the jaguar uptier every game instead. So now I spent so much time grinding the top french tier and it is just so bad ...

I don't think the mirage is a very good top-tier jet but I still enjoy it. It's seems its flight model is very sensitive to weight so the amount of fuel and your payload is very important. The more you stay alive, the lighter you get firing your missiles and emptying your fuel tank. I take 20mn fuel, the payload with the 2 magic and the radar guided 530 and I sideclimb from 6km to 8km, then I search for a target and quickly fire my very heavy 530. Then I work my way down by making sure nobody is above me and I try to get kills and save my teamates with magics. At this point I usually have 10mn of fuel and my plane is very light and I can dogfight very well. However I do not have any other 10.7 jet so I can't compare but I'm still having fun and maybe the 3E will even fit my play still even more I'll see.

I personally like my mirages, but i think the jaguar would be a better top tier if it was given its flares and chaff. jag is love especially with its magics.

Having skipped through the mirage C and straight to the E, it plays like the mig21 F at 10.7, the stock grind is easily the worst in the game

LOVE YOUR VIDEOS MAN! THANK YOU SO MUCH!! NOW I CAN KILL JETS WITH MY P 32 with after boosters

I'm currently spading ISU-122 and the S variant so the pain is my natural habitat.

all i want from a mirage is just the 3c with flares

This jet can't be even worse than the F8U Crusader II

That is very hard to hear but at the same time i am happy about it. The French tree is very hard and even worse, boring to play with. I am trying to get the Mirrage, only reason to play WT now but if this is the case i will do it slowly, without pushing myself. And by that i mean very slow grinds from time to time. I will stick to the F4E and US naval jets then. I have the feeling that they will increse the RP of the Mirage IIIE a lot since it is only 8k. My idea was to play with this cheap plane and have some fun with it but i won't make it till they increase the Repairs to 20k and believe me, knowing Gaijin they will. Thanks for the warning!

@bigmemer4398

3 жыл бұрын

Just get the IIIC and the IIIE will grind itself but don't play it , it's a pos

Wait for the pre-flare madness when R-73 comes in and then AIM-9X IRIS-T and R-77.

With Update Red Skies the flight model feels much better.

Thanks for info bro 👍

"Worst stock grind of top tier" *Laughs in MiG-21bis stock grind*

@DEFYN

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, much better than this

Now to break a myth... Defyn can die by ramming! I saw it today with my own two eyes! :D Though to be fair it was a 3vs1 or something like that.

this video made my day

hopefully we will fare a lot better once the mirage F1 comes into the game. It can carry R530's and two R550's

@Asghaad

3 жыл бұрын

so the same exact payload as Mirage IIIC / E ...

@anguscovoflyer95

3 жыл бұрын

@@Asghaad same missiles yes. Perhaps they might be upgraded versions of the ones we already have in game.

@jeandelacroix6726

3 жыл бұрын

@@anguscovoflyer95 they arent

@r3pn1xc26

2 жыл бұрын

Man, I am so sorry. French mains can't get a W.

Finally

Conclusion : Mirage IIIE has caused DEFYN to experience severe stress, evident by his voice in this video Recommendations for healing: play a very competitive aircraft (for example: G-2/Trop, F-4, Yak-9T)

6:49 I know a guy who likes BVR....

after watching this video seeing all the suffering . "Who hurt you broo?"

In conclusion: Not just no, but fuck no

Idk i have stock 3c now and it’s absolutely the plane i wanted to have it’s really good , only thing missing is flares and more missiles or better radar but overall i either get 3 kills or get rekt instantly so its fun

I am just gonna grind french tech tree again after they add mirage F1 into game

Are you thinking about making video about british vampire? I would love to see one from you

I remember I finally decided to get the Mirages since i stopped playing France after getting to tier 5 in 2018, then got the 3C and had a bit of fun but the 3E was a complete downgrade

I love my mirage 3C, but the moment I hopped into the E model it just felt too sluggish the extra weight of the equipment is not balanced out with the tiny increase of engine power. I’ll be sticking with the C model for now.

I don’t think I’ve heard you hate a plane this much in a while

This is me grinding my first top tier jet, F-104A, then discovering how trash it is even spaded. Almost quit the game after that.

@CaptainRasco

3 жыл бұрын

imagine making the mistake of going germany and then not researching the 262

Everybody suffer in this game except low tier match

Yeah but at least it looks cool

I just ditch the guns and go for the booster&Magic combo, it can be an interesting experience. Especially when you fly with only 8 minutes of fuel :DDD

Can we get a mig-21smt(suffering missle thunder) video? I saw you did the bis but not the one before it and I am suffering vs aim9js.

jaguar is the only French top tier I accept fr.

Sooo, Jaguar for me then.

The real problem here is that the Mirage IIIE was implemented way too late, and it's full of bugs. It should have come alongside the F-4E. Its empty weight is way too high compared to what it should be, and the control surfaces behave much worse than they do on the IIIC. It's capabilities were also blown out of proportions, even by Gaijin themselves. Some were already asking for the IIIE when the IIIC got implemented because they knew better, but they were told that it was too early for the IIIE, when it was in fact the right time. Now that people complain that the IIIE came late, we're being told that the statistics say its good, when the aircraft is in fact much much worse when compared to the F-4E and Mig-21 bis. I'd argue right now would be a good time to introduce the Mirage F1 as its capabilities are close to the likes of the Mig-21 bis and F-4E but still having less missiles than both. I'm fully expecting the Mirage F1 to be late as well at this point. Mirage IIIC release was the only time France got a top tier jet that wasn't outdated on release and that's sad AF considering France's potential in the jet era.

@jeandelacroix6726

3 жыл бұрын

Considering Gaijin they will probably put F16 block 70 vs Mirage 2k-C and find it normal because the stats say it is performing well

@bigmemer4398

3 жыл бұрын

This is the state of France , everything is added 4 update cycles too late I still remember the talk about the IIIE being "too much of a step" , such fucking bs...

What do yuo mean it's bad I got a kill in it once

@jordanhorrocks9532

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and you have 40 000 subscribers so you must be right! Honestly tho I love flying the IIIC oh boy the IIIE made me sad :(

@smigoltime

3 жыл бұрын

@ace how so

Mirage IIIE with it's perhaps strange flight model only exists to give the enemy a fighting chance, eh?

So the MB157 is the better baguette and thus deserves a video😉😂

tbh I haven't found the IIIC fun lately either. Probably because now very few top tier planes lack flares so you really feel that lack of flares or maybe it's just because I've played a lot of props lately so my play style is different. But the IIIC used to be my favourite top tier plane and it's just not all that fun anymore.

Hey Defyn could you try flying the Chinese 2.7 rank 3 I-16? I would like to know how you fight in it.

At least it’s got a relatively cheap repair cost

I also have both mirages, and the IIIE sadly is underperforming comparing to the IIIC... It gets somewhat playable after the bosters upgrade, but still turns like a bus :(, They had to find a way to nerf the mirages, they did it.

Those missiles is OP tho

After this much pain you need to fly the jaguar gr1 my man. Only plane with a positive kd for me...

You think you could play the Venom for a couple matches? Ive heard that its absolute dogshit, but it doesn't seem bad on paper. I can definitely see it being crap now that we have the supersonic changes and the airspawn stuff

Which stock grind is worst: Mirage or MiG-21SMT/Bis?

tldr get the MiG-21bis, the true pinacle of delta wing 3rd gen fighters instead, got it.

Now I’m gonna feel bad every time I kill a mirage