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@DreadEnder

3 ай бұрын

I got it in your last video. It’s great! Even with the subjects I’m familiar with it showed them in a new light that taught me how to better understand them.

@Cheesesteakfreak

3 ай бұрын

Forrest, the reason this guy isn't understanding you is because he doesn't have listening skills. You have to actually make him repeat you. Like a child. I know how these creationists are, they are either lazy, slow, or both.

@dbzgod3529

3 ай бұрын

he said he would make a video to " highlight the essence of this video " do you think he will honestly represent you're points ??

@Cheesesteakfreak

3 ай бұрын

Another issue with this guy is, he is constantly looking for examples of what he imagines are the best reasons to not accept Evolution is true. So you answer his silly baseless questions that demonstrate he has spent no time learning and then he is still lost. Instead of talking about his imagined reasons to not believe Evolution happened, it would be better to show the best evidence for Evolution itself. The best most incontrovertible evidence includes the fusing of Chromosome 2, retrovirus, genetics and olfactory similarities, ect.

@FastAndEasy2010

3 ай бұрын

Now play tennis with him

Gramps' whole argument is basically "I don't understand this, so it doesn't exist, therefore God"

@yucky-yucky

3 ай бұрын

literally just god of the gaps

@solacedagony1234

3 ай бұрын

Incredulity for the things that he's against.

@EGOS42

3 ай бұрын

The argument from personal incredulity. My mind pinged to that phrase many times during this video.

@Umbrage0

3 ай бұрын

he's just like his character from the movie! 😅

@TalosCreepypasta

3 ай бұрын

God of the gaps is a hell of a drug.

Forrest, you are a true hero. Gramps begins the conversation saying: "I haven't heard a few of the terms you used, like epigenetics before." after he said he studied evolution and wrote a book about the topic, which clearly demonstrates the level of depth he has gone through with the topic. You explained things so well, you treated him kindly, I don't think I would have done the same here. You're awesome, dude!

@philw6056

3 ай бұрын

He also said he studied evolution alongside his characters for his first book "reading, visiting the Discovery Institute and so on".

@RancorousSea

3 ай бұрын

What, you weren't captivated by his story about God telling him to switch careers? And then giving him 3 specific topics, like God is a stressed out teacher who has to rush her students through the rest of the curriculum before they begin standardized testing. You know he's lying because God speaks to him exactly like all the stilted dialogue in his terrible movies.

@mirandahotspring4019

3 ай бұрын

Parker is an example of someone who learned just enough about evolution to not understand it, therefore god is an easier explanation to understand.

@thuzUNed

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, Gramps admitted in the first 2 minutes that he is a bald-liar. His "movie" is clear evidence that all the studying he did on Evolution was listening to Ray Comfort KZread clips. I'd bet my life that Gramps never read a book on Evolution that was not written by an apologist.

@ChrisBreederveld

3 ай бұрын

I've rarely seen someone so graciously moving along with this level of goalpost shifting. Great job Forrest!

Gramps 11:08- “I didn’t know what evolution was, I just knew I didn’t believe in it” This sets the tone for the entire video

@maker0824

15 күн бұрын

Really is a terrible way to start. “I had no idea what it was. All I knew is that I didn’t like it.” I don’t know anything about Muslin stuff. All I know is that it is a religion, and I don’t really like religion. I’ve heard bad things about it, but without actually being educated on it I can’t possibly hate it.

@TheLowBrassDude

5 күн бұрын

"We will not give in to the thinkers!"

"Harry Potter and the Sexual Revolution"... I think I missed that book.

@BIayne

3 ай бұрын

*fetus delutus!* 🪄✨

@Jvenoia

Ай бұрын

He defeats it, once and for all

@bradh6980

29 күн бұрын

It's on Wattpad.

@andreywonttell4016

20 күн бұрын

It's a book about Harry using his other "wand". =)

@anythingstudios843

18 күн бұрын

@@BIayne youtube asked if I wanted to translate this to English and apparently it translates to "The fetus washed away!".

Gramps: I have studied all about evolution Morgan Freeman: He had not studied about evolution

@AndyFarnham

3 ай бұрын

What would change your mind? Forrest: New evidence Gramps: Nothing

@cion486

3 ай бұрын

I have studied it followed by I have never heard of epigenetics

@AndyFarnham

3 ай бұрын

@@cion486 Yes! The number of times Forrest said something and Gramps just looked blank clearly not knowing what was being said. Did his "study" at the Discovery Center consist of just being told "Evolution is wrong", it sure seems that way.

@parid1gm640

3 ай бұрын

Thank you Morgan Freeman 😂

@michaelmay5453

3 ай бұрын

@a2225 Epigenetics is an amazing field. The idea that you could turn on and off genes helped us use designed treatments for everyone. It was my primary field for quite a few years (it's not as new as people seem to think). I got into it when we were studying HIV blockers. It's way too much to go into in a youtube comment but start here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8156729/ if you are interested and then move on to more general searches regarding epigenetics. At some point you'll come across how that was used to enable a viral injection method to cure a form of cancer. That's where my work was.

Forrest: Excuse me, sir, but I do believe you've dropped your wallet. Gramps: Doesn't look familiar to me. Forrest: What? I just saw you drop it. Here. Gramps: Nope, it's not mine. Forrest: It is yours. I am trying to be a good person and return it to you. Gramps: Return what to who? Forrest: [facepalms, then shows Gramps his ID] Aren't you Gramps? Gramps: Yup. Forrest: And this is your ID. Gramps: Yup. Forrest: I found this ID in this wallet. And if that's the case, this must be your wallet. Gramps: That makes sense to me. Forrest: Then take it. Gramps: It's not my wallet.

@deshaebeasley

3 ай бұрын

good analogy.

@repelsteeltje90

3 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? There are no wallets in the Nicene Creed!

@TheMArtagnan

3 ай бұрын

Yeah pretty much

@CYBRLFT

3 ай бұрын

lmao!!! This is a skit from SpongeBob SquarePants starring Patrick Star ⭐️ 🤣 beautifully relevant to this exact context lmao. Well done!

@gobletgobletstein5672

3 ай бұрын

i like your fursona

“The best part about being a scientist is being wrong, because it means you learn a new thing.” Love this ❤

@Corwinpop

3 ай бұрын

This is exactly what I try to teach my kids and now my grandkids.

@peraspera934

3 ай бұрын

Yep! It's the whole point of the scientific process! I want to know which of my assumptions are false and, by extension, find what's true!

@aennaenn7468

13 күн бұрын

Yes! As a scientist, I love that the whole process involves people trying to prove me wrong, please, tear my work to pieces, or try and fail. Either way it's exhilarating! Either I teach you something or you teach me.

@yashsingh6508

13 күн бұрын

@@aennaenn7468 Love that mindset!

When Gramps just sits there quiet for so long after Forest says something… you can just feel how Gramps just doesn’t listen, doesn’t care and is just thinking about where to shift the conversation to.

@howdoyouknow1218

3 ай бұрын

Definitely. He says “you’re never going to change my mind”, so I don’t think he even wanted to listen as a defense mechanism.

@danielduvana

3 ай бұрын

@@howdoyouknow1218 yeah that part was insane to hear someone say out loud. He admitted that he is closed minded and wants/hopes to not change his mind. That’s in direct opposition to caring about if what you believe is true.

@lupoleone8735

Ай бұрын

I think he was internalizing most things. I just think that he got really scared. And at the end of the day, if he is happier believing I'd leave that be. I know I'd want to believe if I could. I just hope he is convinced to stay out of the scientific discourse from now untill hopefully he has time to check his facts a little more.

@scottlarson1548

Ай бұрын

Absolutely! All Gramps was hearing was, "Natural selection is _blah blah blah blah blah blah_ *DNA* _blah blah blah blah blah_ ." So what does he do? He asks a completely irrelevant question about DNA because while he didn't understand anything Forrest said, he *did* hear him say the word "DNA".

@kjfreepta1

Ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly!!!

It becomes obvious that Gramps never before encountered anyone who knows what they are talking about.

@John.0z

3 ай бұрын

I quite agree. He seems to be genuinely reduced to just sitting in disbelief that his treasured stock responses do have very clear, cogent, scientific answers.

@jamesfetherston1190

3 ай бұрын

@@John.0z The penalty of living in an intellectual bubble.

@xuxuang8574

3 ай бұрын

No. It's not that. He will do a "flerf reset". If you spoke to him in a day's time after this interview, he'd be asking exactly the same questions and saying they have no answer, just as if he had total amnesia.

@lubrew5862

3 ай бұрын

He probably has encountered multiple people who have tried to explain these things to him, if what he is saying that he wanted to know is true. I have seen a lot of science deniers had their errors explained to them multiple times and those science denier just dismiss it.

@ILikeMyPrivacytbt

3 ай бұрын

He said right from the beginning that you can believe in evolution or you can believe in God, but you can't believe in both. He said we would not believe in evolution no matter what because he can't believe in both. He is staying true to his character, this was never about trying to convince Gramps how evolution is true, it was his attempt to prove evolution is false and when he couldn't do that he just spun his wheels in the mud.

Forrest: *explains how something came about for 5 minutes* Gramps: BUT WHERE DID IT COME FROM?!

@d_camara

3 ай бұрын

At the end of the day Gramps is caught up almost solely on the talking point of "where did the universe come from", but argues and writes about evolution for no reason except either it sells good or he's gotten too much of an image related to it. He'll push the conversation into the origin of the universe if you let him, but still say it's an evolution conversation because he doesn't know the difference between genetics snd the big bang

@thuzUNed

3 ай бұрын

Forrest was casting pearls before swine for 2 1/5 hours.

@rockmusicvideoreviewer896

3 ай бұрын

Forrest could explain to him how to add numbers by counting on his fingers and Gramps would reply 'but where do these numbers in the hundreds come from?'

@RancorousSea

3 ай бұрын

@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 "But how do you get to 11?" "Ok, ok, but what about 12?" x infinity

@aloneinmybrain

3 ай бұрын

My blood pressure kept going up every time Gramps opened his mouth.

A discussion like this will never go anywhere. Gramps came to argue and to try to score points, not have an open-minded discussion

@tiltingwindmill

3 ай бұрын

Completely agree. Each time (nearly) he pulled out yet another boring piece of anti science anti evolution religious apologetics. So so sad.

@lunova6165

2 ай бұрын

He literally said he came in the mindset that he couldn't change his mind, and even if he preseented evidence he wouldn't be convinced.

@scottlarson1548

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately he knew Forrest likes to talk so Gramps just kept him rambling on topics. While Forrest spoke at times for up to two minutes, Gramps sat there pretending to listen and deciding what question would send him onto another topic that he would ignore.

Poor Gramps was absolutely NOT ready for you, Forrest. This is as so hard to watch even split up lol

If there’s ever a great example on why scientists don’t like to platform anti-science, it is this video. Grampa wasn’t here to learn, he was here to get attention.

@quintonsm2616

3 ай бұрын

It's the epitome of being willfully ignorant

@quintonsm2616

3 ай бұрын

@@pogers625 he listened but due to having a pre conceived world view did not take in any information.

@quintonsm2616

3 ай бұрын

@@pogers625 I didn't say we aren't fallible or perfect. I'm saying he asks a question "listens" to the answer yet does not even process it's validity. I agree we have all pre concieved world views but part of being an honest interlocutor is acknowledging points and being a reasoned person is willing to change perspective if presented with logic and reason. People can be respected but opinions can (and should) be ridiculed of its deserved.

@coreywolfe5074

3 ай бұрын

​@quintonsm2616 agree wholeheartedly. Opinions, concepts, ideas, and beliefs are under no obligation to be respected. It's not my fault if you were a product of your environment, if you have a shitty take, you have a shitty take, and I will call that out.

@nemamiah7832

3 ай бұрын

​@@quintonsm2616 because it's done in a format, where it's incredibly hard to admit, that you are wrong. It's hard for people in general, harder for long held entrenched beliefs AND doubly so in a public space. Here's there to argue, not to be convinced. Both of them should've known that at least unconsciously. Saying "You know what, you are right, this makes sense!" would be an incredible feat of mental firepower, in front of all that crowd (both us and his own viewers). Screaming to the world, that all those books you've written, the movie too - were for naught. That you were indeed mistaken. It's difficult. For everyone.

2:26:09 He straight up said the silent part out loud. "I hope you can't change my mind because I think I am right, and the idea of being wrong is terrifying." Holy shit.

@thedaysadventure1272

3 ай бұрын

RIGHT!!!!!!! lets just be honest this person should keep believing in his god, I'm not sure he wouldn't become truly evil if his overlord isn't watching.

@ilonachan

3 ай бұрын

@@thedaysadventure1272 Disagree. Those are very different axes right there. He didn't even say that he derives his morality from God (though he probably does, I'll grant that) but even then: most people who say that are lying. To themselves. They actually already HAVE a moral compass, they just don't think about it that way because they think the bible matches it perfectly and is the basis for it. So what happens when you confront them with the HEINOUS bible verses about, let's say, all the genocides that God commanded? Something that contradicts their own intuitive sense of morality? One of two things. They'll either find a way to rationalize those verses away, to explain why they don't ACTUALLY say that those terrible things are good, or why we should ignore those verses, or why context matters... and they usually fail, because they've never thought about morality enough to make coherent arguments there. But they do TRY to make them, which is the important part. This is them putting their own moral compass over god's pronouncements, and just trying to make that work without actively denying the latter. Or they end up accepting that that's what God says, but not easily. They have to grapple with it, and end up saying something like "god works in mysterious ways" or "it's not my place to judge" or stuff like that. Again, failures of moral arguments that themselves imply heinous positions, but not really; these people just haven't thought about it. I don't think they're happy about their god saying that either, but he did, apparently, so what can you do. Of course technically there's also the people who really would just accept a moral pronouncement from the bible as it is, who would just go "yea I guess that means genocide is a-ok actually". But that is the rarity, and not the natural conclusion as you imply. This man, Donald James Parker, does not seem like the kind of person who would start murdering people left and right if he knew that he was not gonna be punished for it in the afterlife. He seems like a kind old man with a good heart, who just believes incorrect things in a misguided way. I could be wrong, but I have no reason to believe I am.

@holygore

3 ай бұрын

It was bad faith for him to say he was willing to change when he had already came to a conclusion. Me personally would call that a lie.

@Detson404

3 ай бұрын

@@ilonachanYeah, I think that’s true. It’s why I think talking about ethical systems is mostly pointless. We’re all just justifying our own emotional intuitions, at least I am.

@mtbee9641

3 ай бұрын

It’s amazing that accepting reality is worse to him than the comfort of believing in the imaginary.

When he said "perfection," that would have been a perfect opportunity to point out that our current design is far from perfect. Which flips his argument on its head.

@heatherdorrell

3 ай бұрын

Human immune systems have entered the chat.

@Thiefnuker

3 ай бұрын

@@heatherdorrellAppendix: "Let me introduce myself and ruin your day."

@TheLowBrassDude

2 ай бұрын

The perfection argument can be refuted simply by the fact that eyeglasses are a thing.

@colinwitte5665

2 ай бұрын

@@Thiefnuker That thing actually has a use: it stores bacteria, to stabilize the intestinal flora

@brandonsmith9512

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I can totally see why Forrest didn't go there and was preoccupied with other thoughts. But I was screaming in my head, we're so not perfect. And I've seen Forrest and Matt rattle off lists of imperfections in the human anatomy before and was so ready to hear it there.

The end of this video was so sad. He’s just a scared old man; too afraid to accept that he’ll die. 😢

@coffeebean7512

Ай бұрын

this is kinda what I felt. I honestly feel bad for him. I dont think he can cope properly so hes filling up his life with writing and producing films and books. poor guy.

2.5 h of an old man suffering from cognitive dissonance. Amazing job, Forrest. You gave him a lot to think about.

@brianblakley2535

3 ай бұрын

He’s not going to think about it. It’s literally impossible to reason with people like this.

@kyuubisgirl3232

3 ай бұрын

Except he won't think about it. He'll probably go write another crap script and base an evil atheist on Forrest.

@jmike2039

3 ай бұрын

Forrest is the goat

@Skyfool64

3 ай бұрын

He won't think about any of it. I'm sure he'll find it easier to stick with his nonsense and ignorance

@joshuasalmonson2109

3 ай бұрын

2.5 INCREDIBLY ENTERTAINING h of an old man suffering from cognitive dissonance!

Gramps is one of those nice people who's brains are just soup. And this soup brain can make a monster out of nice people.

@pash_4904

3 ай бұрын

oh my god he's just my dad minus the charisma.

@steveOCalley

3 ай бұрын

There were several shockers of the social history of the Holocaust. One was that nice, apparently well-adjusted people could commit atrocities with the proper belief foundations and only minor character blemishes.

@Thunderclap117

3 ай бұрын

@@pash_4904 oh my gosh do we have the same dad? 🤣

@pash_4904

3 ай бұрын

@@Thunderclap117 the examples gramps gives and the framing he provides is like word for word the shit my father said to me during our discussions, it’s WILD. My father is a pastor, so he has a better time navigating conversations because of his oration skills.

@jmike2039

3 ай бұрын

I think this is spot on

11:01 "I didnt know anything about evolution, i just knew i didn't believe it" sums it all up really well

The saving grace about Forest's video is if Donald didn't learn anything, at least I sure did. Love you Forest!

The inadvertent comedy of Gramps just staring S I L E N T L Y into the camera for a solid 45s after Forrest makes this articulate point is just *chef's kiss*, wonderful.

@TGabes_Gaming

3 ай бұрын

Honestly it was art

@tylarjackson7928

3 ай бұрын

It was 25 seconds actually, but who's counting? Honestly that was crazy. I think Gramps was letting his ego get the better of him and refusing to let Forrest control the flow of the conversation. But I'm pretty sure Gramps only spoke for like 10 minutes out of this whole 2.5 hour video, and he lost any semblance of control about 5 minutes in.

@goldenknight578

3 ай бұрын

It was just made worse when he broke the silence by saying some version of "Nuh-uh" every time.

@goldenknight578

3 ай бұрын

@@tylarjackson7928Gramps pretty much sums it all up near the end by admitting that there's no way Forrest (or anyone else) could change his mind, and that he actively DOES NOT WANT to change his mind. I'd feel sorry for him if it wasn't for his obvious ego.

@tylarjackson7928

3 ай бұрын

@@goldenknight578 For sure. Some might chalk this up to "standing firm in his faith", but it's just a typical "I'm never wrong" ego trip

A man wrote a book about evolution who doesn’t know the high school definition of evolution. I asked my students in 10th grade today and they nailed it.

@averagejoe9642

3 ай бұрын

So biased 😂

@benf6822

3 ай бұрын

Which country are you in and what is currently going as the 10th grade definition there? I'm currently doing a masters in education (humanities, geography, science and biology) so I'm really curious how close it is to the definition I use when I speak to peers.

@theperfectbotsteve4916

3 ай бұрын

I feel like the 10th grade definition isn't far off because it's just the definition in general if you give or take a few simplifications.

@benf6822

3 ай бұрын

@theperfectbotsteve4916 that's why I'm really curious, because the definition starts simple early on and mostly true and then just builds year by year as understanding grows

You did an incredible job, Forrest. Truly impressive. Grampa was also there.

The most profound statement Gramps made in that entire video was 15 seconds of deafening silence with a blank stare… and he made that statement several times.

The contrast between Gramps' debate performance here and his debate performance in a movie where he controls both sides of the discussion is quite stark. I notice he didn't get any of his signature zingers in 🤔

@christasimon9716

3 ай бұрын

_waves_ Hello!

@jemborg

3 ай бұрын

😂👍... There were times I'd thought my internet hung. 😶

@gradstdnt7232

3 ай бұрын

@@jemborg Donald's silent responses were deafening. Would be interesting to see his edited version of this event without looking like he's lost and drifting in a sea of knowledge.

@sryberg16

3 ай бұрын

The one zinger he tries to get in is “How can lungs, Blood, and brain evolve when they’re codependent on each other?” Which Forrest then answers how we can learn these things through “mosaic evolution” by observing similar systems His response is just to bring up the same argument with different organ systems, so Forrest just repeats the same answer

@freelanceminion7396

3 ай бұрын

He TRIED. He tried to make some of those dad jokes that probably go over very well with a sympathetic Christian audience and then Forrest just said no and gave him a real answer.

*writes book on evolution* forrest : epigenetics *I never heard that word before*

@BuIIetBiII

3 ай бұрын

eh, not entirely fair. You can definitely know the fundamentals of evolution without knowing what epigenetics is. I only learned what epigenetics was in my second year of university and I had a decent understanding of evolution before that

@phobosex7504

3 ай бұрын

​@@BuIIetBiII theres a difference between "a decent understanding" and publishing content to thousands of people about how evolution is fake

@Shuhannazy

3 ай бұрын

did you feel you had a deep enough understanding to write a book about it?@@BuIIetBiII

@Faint366

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@BuIIetBiIIand did you see fit to write a book on the subject prior to your second year of university? That’s the point. He felt arrogant enough to write an entire book about a subject he’d never learned anything about

@Chrisg841

3 ай бұрын

​@BuIIetBiII yeah but you don't write books on something you don't have a great understanding of unless you have an agenda.

>Forrest asks a specific question or provides a detailed response to a creationist talking point >Gramps laughs and then blankly stares at the camera >Forrest: ah? hello? Basically this whole conversation

Gramps is so fucking funny Forrest: "what is your Problem with Macroevolution" Gramps:"you see, big Pharma doesn't use natural medicine"

Forrest is amazing. This guy.....offered nothing to this conversation.

@blew319

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think he was meant to be offering anything. However, I sincerely hope I have the patience he has teaching evolution with teaching mathematics. I like to think I’m a pretty patient dude, but I feel becoming a teacher will be a major test to that.

@paulyoung5641

3 ай бұрын

I was losing my patience as an audience member, it was like watching someone talk to a brick wall. It was amazing to watch this religious man exhibit the inner workings of his own suffering from years of brainwashing in real time. It wouldn’t matter how well evolution was explained to him because his mind has been molded to specifically reject anything that comes close to contradicting creationist ideology. It doesn’t even have to contradict it, it just has to be any other explanation for life that isn’t god.

@benjaminbeard3736

3 ай бұрын

He offered resting confused face.

@anthonydelgiudice3245

3 ай бұрын

I said the same type of comment I get No likes 😂

@ronrolfsen3977

3 ай бұрын

The guy was apparently asked by God himself to speak out against evolution. However he has not bothered at all to learn what evolution is. If a God would have asked me that question, I would sure as hell make sure I knew what I was talking about.

Gramps is stuck using thought-stopping techniques he probably isn’t even aware of. It’s like his brain won’t allow him to accept the data in front of him.

@mcfunthomas_mc

3 ай бұрын

That’s normal. When we speak to an expert, it’s hard to process all at once. Especially when you disagree. It takes time to come to terms with your views you have built up over the years , no?

@John.0z

3 ай бұрын

@@mcfunthomas_mc Very true; but I would suggest that Donald has taken this reaction to an extreme. I have to wonder if he will think about what was said, or just maintain what seems to be a closed mind?

@mcfunthomas_mc

3 ай бұрын

@@John.0z The latter I’m afraid. At least for now.

@Natenick5

3 ай бұрын

Yup, as it would force him to reconsider his life and he is deathly afraid of that

@mcfunthomas_mc

3 ай бұрын

@@Natenick5 In evangelical circles it’s not a nice feeling when you have to admit to be wrong about your beliefs to a non-believer. Especially when you built a castle of your arguments and didn’t notice that you used sand to build it.

Gramps: *the lights are on but nobody's home*

You can just tell by the look of the guy's face that he doesn't care what forest is saying or doesn't want to know.

7:04 Harry potter and the sexual revolution😂

@eliascampbell9281

3 ай бұрын

The long awated sequel

@maj1061

3 ай бұрын

Harry Potter being part of the occult, I’m dying

@jameshall1300

3 ай бұрын

​@@maj1061 I hope that was supposed to be dying, intead of drying 😂. My mental image when I read it was pretty hilarious though.

@heavypizza

3 ай бұрын

one of the best christian worship bands....

@Jenna_Miles

3 ай бұрын

Fanfic tbh 🤣🤣

Thank you Forrest for fidgeting during the silent pauses so I knew Gramps wasn’t frozen.

@tylarjackson7928

3 ай бұрын

That last one a couple minutes before the end was 25 seconds. Jesus that was so awkward. It literally made me physically clinch.

@tylerwest719

3 ай бұрын

Lol. I started checking my WiFi. Thought there was an outage.

@itsmedjoom987

3 ай бұрын

His eyes just have nothing behind them like, it honestly made my skin crawl at times whenever he would stare blankly.

@tylerwest719

3 ай бұрын

@@itsmedjoom987 That was just his brain short circuiting from the cognitive dissonance.

@John.0z

3 ай бұрын

@@tylerwest719 When Forrest pointed out that Donald would not accept the things he holds as true for any other subject, based only on what he accepts for his god, you can see that there is _something_ going on in Donald's brain; but what results is not a direct response. Yes, I have to agree that internal conflict and cognitive dissonance is the most likely explanation. He _really_ wants his god to be the answer to everything.

... Forrest explained how the eye came to be and then Gramps starts asking how the eye came to be. Either I'm witness retroactive causality or someone isn't really following what is being said.

This video has taught me something that I’ve always suspected: I do not have the patience to be an educator. Dude has the patience of a saint.

@TheDjnatronic

Ай бұрын

Forrest just screams Mutation and Time but he’s 100% wrong, Time of the Gaps argument is fading fast the more we learn

@V0idFace

Ай бұрын

@@TheDjnatronic literally every syllable of what you just said was incorrect lmao.

The irony of Gramps pulling out the “You weren’t there” and “That’s just someone’s testimony”.

@Theproclaimed

3 ай бұрын

Hypocrisy would be a more apt word

@Purdz_

3 ай бұрын

It’s even more funny when you realize they say that as a sarcastic comeback bc they hear it all the time without realizing how it just doesn’t apply the same whatsoever

@repelsteeltje90

3 ай бұрын

Did hypocrisy start as an attribute of religions or did it naturally evolve in social species?

@Arexion5293

3 ай бұрын

@@repelsteeltje90 Latter definitely. Religions started off as a way to bring people together, to form societies, so the social nature and numerous aspects of it already existed.

@Purdz_

3 ай бұрын

@@repelsteeltje90 I’m sure it came about on its own

This is actually a great learning tool for politely explaining the details of evolution to someone who knows absolutely nothing about it

@cesarleon9894

3 ай бұрын

Gramps has conflated evolution with the existence of God. He made it an either-or and mutually exclusive situation in such a way that accepting evolution will imply the non-existing (or non-believing) of God.

@thuzUNed

3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, it's also a great example of why doing so with an Apologist is an immense waste of time.

@mirandahotspring4019

3 ай бұрын

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say someone who wants to know absolutely nothing about it.

@benjaminkoch2380

3 ай бұрын

​@@thuzUNed not a waste of time for us viewers

@bfderycke

3 ай бұрын

@@benjaminkoch2380 you are right. I enjoyed and learned some new things

Hey Forrest, I just want to thank you for everything you've done on this channel! You really increased my passion for science, and I've learned a lot from your videos, and more importantly enjoyed them.

He's got a "listen to this doomed heathen" smile during many of the rants Forrest goes on.

@lizzybeary

Ай бұрын

He's so smug.

@TheLowBrassDude

Ай бұрын

He's got Kenneth Copeland eyes the whole time too.

OK i think I'm going to have to watch this in bite size chunks because... I can't. I just can't. you are infinitely more patient than I am, and give this guy way more lee-way than he deserves. I'm half an hour in and he hasn't answer the first question you've posed about 'if God was proved not real, would you then believe in evolution'? He just keeps going on these dissociated tangents and waffling. Its infuriating.

@Taraeth

3 ай бұрын

I managed 14 minutes, when he came along with his 6 ft football player girls "I didn't see it so it didn't exist" analogy I just knew I couldn't get through this for 2.5 hours, lol

@SakkaraKirax

3 ай бұрын

​@@Taraeth That is EXACTLY where I am right now. I'm pausing to take a break to read comments because I'm not sure if I can sit through it. Forrest is a much more patient person than I am.

@itsgonnabeanaurfromme

3 ай бұрын

Willing to support Forrest's algorithm. Because this is gonna be hard to watch. Difficult experiences are a must in life. Lol

@MortlachNL

3 ай бұрын

Yep, it doesn't matter what you say, nothing gets taken onboard. "How did sight evolve?" Right after Forrest spent 5 minutes explaining how eyes evolved.

@mikehent3479

3 ай бұрын

Can anyone else see Donald's eyes just glaz over? I think it took five minutes

Donald is not a bright man. I can't imagine writing a whole ass book on a subject I knew nothing about. I don't even think he knew that he knew nothing about it until this conversation. Despite this, he arrogantly wrote an ENTIRE BOOK and several awful films and didn't bother to do ANY of the research needed to answer his own questions that he posed to Forrest. The last 10 minutes of this interview almost had me in tears. The look on Forrest's face when it finally hit him that he was looking at a man who was choosing to remain wilfully ignorant was heartbreaking. I find wilful ignorance to be repulsive, and I do not respect anyone who lacks the intellectual curiosity needed to challenge what they think they know. I could see the flash of disappointment and disgust on Forrest's face when he realized this entire conversation had been a waste of time, and I hate that Donald took his smile away. This was educational (as always), but exceptionally exhausting. Damnit. I need a cookie...

@IKilledEarl

3 ай бұрын

@@pinkraven4402 I agree, it was still valuable for the people who needed an evolution 101 experience and for people to see the damage that Christianity does to people's minds. I only meant that it was a waste of time for Forrest to spend 2.5 hours providing thorough, thoughtful answers to his "gotcha" questions, only to be told, "Nothing you've said matters because I'm going to believe what I want to believe as if you had said nothing." And that is why I do not buy into Matt Dillahunty's assertion that people do not choose what they believe. Forrest thoroughly debunked that claim with this interview, and for once, I did not enjoy being correct.

@pinkraven4402

3 ай бұрын

​@@IKilledEarlSorry, I accidentally deleted my comment haha. For clarity for anyone potentially reading this, I said that it was not a waste of time, because thousands of viewers can see this conversation and take away from it :D

@pinkraven4402

3 ай бұрын

But I wanted to add something to your comments. First of all, yeah, Donald was really pulling out one fallacy after another and it was an exhausting watch but I think a highly educational one too! Personally, I don't think that Forrest was "disgusted" towards Donald and I don't think that Forrest would ever made such an expression himself as he seemed to be genuinely very, extremely respectful throughout the entire thing. I suppose he was disappointed that Donald wouldn't will to change his mind. To me actually the positive thing was at the end was the moment when Donald admitted that Forrest left him speechless, so that was a relative good thing I suppose. Also I can slightly appreciate the admittion Donald made, like, I think at the end he didn't say explicitly "you could never change my mind" but said more something like "I hope you can't change my mind" and he like admitted that actually that's because of... fear. Fear of nihilism, of the prospect of there not being afterlife and so on. I highly doubt it will be the case and it's probably my wishful thinking but in a perfect world it would seem as maaaaybe, just maybe Forrest put a tiny seed for Donald to maybe at least a tiny bit reevaluate some stuff he thinks. Again, I highly doubt it but Forrest at least made a great attempt at trying. And again, Donald actually said that he thought Forrest adressed everything and did do very well. Small thing but it could be worse haha. It was clear that it was Donald's first time being expose to such a big amount of thorough explanation, sk at the very least it was cool that he eventually even heard it About the issue whether we can choose what we believe in or not, I think that generally we can't choose what we believe in, but we can use some psychological mechanism to supress doubt and to strengthen our believes. For example, if you showed a chicken to anyone, they have no choice but to believe that it truly is chicken. Like, I cannot in any way force myself to believe that you're holding a paper roll or something else. We're encountering our believes (which include knowledge) inside of us. So at the simple fundamental level we can't change that. However of course we can alter how we approach stuff and there are mechanisms of denial for example that allows us to sorta alter our beliefs, but again, you probably know what I mean. If you're convinced about something aka you believe in it, you can't fully consciously change that.

@1drumshark

3 ай бұрын

The unearned confidence of old people astonishes me.

@Aencii

3 ай бұрын

Donald is an incredible example of the idea that true ignorance is refusal to accept how little you know.

I think he realizes that he met his match in Forrest, you could see it on his face! 🤣 He was out of his depth in this discussion, but he deserved credit for agreeing to be slapped around by someone who knows what they're talking about. This was beautiful!

@jonathanyoung8109

3 ай бұрын

Met his match? These two people aren’t even close to being on the same level.

@SaintD382

25 күн бұрын

He probably wasn't aware he was being slapped around. He probably thought "God put me here for a reason, and His will is being done" or some nonsense like that. Praying instead of listening (hence the long silent pauses).

Give him credit, though, for posting the full conversation in his channel.

@sarahchristine2345

3 ай бұрын

I doubt he had a choice haha…I bet Forrest made that a condition before he’d agree to the “discussion” lol

@MJacobsen

2 ай бұрын

With the comments effectively turned off, mind you ;)

@swimrski

2 ай бұрын

@@MJacobsen Didn't notice that!

DJP has that look as he listens that tells you he's not really trying to understand. He listening for a "gotcha" and waiting for a moment he can interject with his testimony of jesus.

@blondequijote

3 ай бұрын

Some ppl rrally thibk Jesus is always the answer, no matter what the question might be.

@littlebitofhope1489

3 ай бұрын

Which is ironic because it ends up being a testimony for Forrest.

@mikey-wl2jt

3 ай бұрын

yeah, he just...doesn't get it

@briannewton3535

3 ай бұрын

@@blondequijote When you need an image of someone to appear on your morning toast, or in the backside of a dog, Jesus usually is often the answer...

@joehemmann1156

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I agree with the look on his face assessment, COVERAGE shit eating grin on that guy...

This guy is either incredibly dense or dishonest. I wouldn’t have the patience to try and teach him. Kudos to Forrest for trying.

@bjornfeuerbacher5514

3 ай бұрын

I go with incredibly dense. Hanlon's razor.

@ziggy4thefacts441

3 ай бұрын

I'll go with purposely dense. To actually learn the source material would ruin his world view and he couldn't let that happen.

@repelsteeltje90

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I admire Forrests patience as well. And his civility. I was too frustrated to even watch a third of the video. I think this guy was both dense AND dishonest.

@rebekkavandenbrink8273

3 ай бұрын

Exactly.... it's excruciating to watch this guy...

@johnatspray

3 ай бұрын

I think both. Creationists usually are a combo.

Everything was on point Forrest. Well done. My heart broke when you mentioned your grandma and Alzheimer's.... Her mind went to heaven in little pieces😢. I could've just cried. It got close to home for me.

"it goes over my head so i don't believe it" is what this guy is doing.

Your ability to maintain not only your composure but to keep the conversation light hearted and positive, after hearing some of the most mind bogglingly dumb things I’ve ever heard is extraordinarily commendable. You sir are truly heroic.

You can see Gramps’s brain checking out when Forest explains evolution. I’m embarrassed FOR gramps.

@repelsteeltje90

3 ай бұрын

Gramps looks like the guy in the meeting who hasn't read a single meeting note and tries to hide that with BS, thinking the others don't see right through it. Embarrassing indeed.

@baddogma

3 ай бұрын

Gramps is Homer Simpson with a monkey clapping symbols in his head. Remarkably unintelligent.

Forrest, you are a wonderful educator. Keep it up

"I'm fine with microevolution..." is exactly like saying "I believe rain can make a puddle but it could never make an ocean. Only God could make an ocean."

Gramps was incredibly disingenuous. Props to you ever trying Forrest.

@CaptFoster5

3 ай бұрын

We can all appreciate Forrest's willingness to teach, but this gramps dude was clearly not interested in learning anything new. He is nothing more than the super sweet and overly nice version of Kent Hovind.

@Gainoffuntion

3 ай бұрын

@CaptFoster5 damn i wouldn't insult gramps that hard-core. Maybe Ken ham. But hovind? Dudes a criminal of the highest order.

@archivist17

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad he was prepared to have the discussion. But he comes from a very dogmatic position, and was never likely to do anything to harm his cash cow.

@blondequijote

3 ай бұрын

​@@archivist17Gramps has confirmed in other interviews that he funds all his "films" himself. They're low budget af, but they don't turn a profit. DjP really likes feeling like his imaginary best friend is the almighty and that he's in the eternal cool kids club (cuz hell is really hot).

@user-lb8qx8yl8k

3 ай бұрын

Forrest was clearer than ever on every topic. It would take some effort to not understand what he was saying. But Gramps fought hard to cling to his worldview!!

New movie title, "Gramps gets schooled".

@John.0z

3 ай бұрын

I do not gamble, but in this occasion I will bet that is *not* his next movie title, or plot. Another comment suggested that the next one will have an emasculated Forrest massively misrepresented as the "evil evolutionist". IMHO that is a more likely outcome.

@jo-ln8oo

3 ай бұрын

Or- gramps has no idea wtf he's talking about

@phobosex7504

3 ай бұрын

😂😂

This is exactly why I get so frustrated debating theist ( primarily christians since that's what's around me the most ) they already come into the argument deeply offended even if they don't try to be. And it causes them to hear what they want to hear and or simply wait for their turn to talk without actually processing anything you said prior. Forrest, you make so many amazing points in every one of your debates that make me a better athiest and even a better human being in general. You might not be reaching the person you're debating but to the viewers back at home. It truly helps more than you could ever know .

Gramps seemed to get a Master's in Evasion at college. He almost seemed to be using a script at times with how he would respond to some of the questions. I think the part I enjoyed the most was when you two started to talk about DNA and Gramps brought up information, it was obvious that you had heard that argument of code needing a coder so much that you immediately knew where he was going when he said that.

Incredulity is not a debunk, Gramps. Forrest, you handled yourself very well, and you're very kind and informative and knowledgeable. I'm genuinely impressed by how gracefully you handled this surely very frustrating and difficult dialogue.

Forrest, the thing that I love about you is that you are quick to latch onto what you have in common with people INCREDIBLY different from you. It's so admirable.

@EMDS04

3 ай бұрын

I agree

@juliebeaudoin5866

3 ай бұрын

And totally sincere about it to boot!! He’s always gracious, even in intensely frustrating situations. Forrest, you’re a classy guy 🫡

@sergei_mikhailovich

3 ай бұрын

That and his seemingly infinite patience makes him my favorite atheist and science educator.

@Toasty5386

3 ай бұрын

I think it’s really important for fixing divides and reducing confrontations. Find middle ground with people, find where you agree and disagree and find where and how each person has veered off. Each person may still think the other is wrong, but communication is important and we can be more empathetic to someone we disagree with if we understand how they got there. We can also potentially fix the causes of issues if we can identify them and we can’t always identify them from the outside.

@Quemusicproductions

3 ай бұрын

I enjoy the Forrest Style and the Matt style.

"How did you get to the top of that hill? You must have used a jetpack." "I climbed the stairs." "Yeah but jetpacks are way cooler than stairs so I think you used a jetpack."

I so appreciate how patient and respectful you are in these videos. It makes it so much easier to share with people that may disagree with you, but could also learn from you.

The lights are on, but nobody is home.

@matthewdavis7674

3 ай бұрын

Nothing behind those eyes

@alexmorgan983

3 ай бұрын

100%

@loneprimate

3 ай бұрын

More like the lights are on, but he refuses to answer the door.

@GrantStraks

3 ай бұрын

Are we sure the lights are even on?

@teresaamanfu7408

3 ай бұрын

Forrest: “Does that make any sense what I’m saying”? Gramps: Nods head with a very blank look on his face.

So many points where Gramps *almost* gets it. He brings up a gotcha, Forrest answers it then Gramps denies it. He wilfully does not want to get it. He says "I want to see it" but for God that standard doesn't apply.

@johnbrophy6159

3 ай бұрын

He says he wants to see it, but later actually says that he wouldn’t be convinced by it.

@Mystrohan

2 ай бұрын

In the fantasy movie world of Gramps, Ty Bounds is a “worthy adversary.” In the real world, he’s speechless.

@genghois

2 ай бұрын

Forrest does a thoroughly respectful conversation with gramps. Gramps sees some of the logic. But, as I said, Forrest is totally respectful, and it’s a discussion.

@scottlarson1548

Ай бұрын

What I kept seeing is that Gramps would tentatively and suspiciously accept something Forest said, then when Forrest tried to build on that acceptance Gramps would deflect with a non-sequitur to avoid admitting a fact that would bother him. Forrest was talking about natural selection then Gramps asked "Is DNA in every cell?" which had absolutely nothing to do with what Forrest was talking about. The discussion *never* went back to natural selection which I'm sure was of great relief to Gramps. Forrest was far too accommodating to this technique and fell for it more than once.

This was really sweet. A little sad, but very sweet. I love how am acable and respectful the whole conversation was and I feel like you really did help, if nothing else, dimistify and clarify what the theory is actually about.

YES! I’ve been waiting for this interview ever since you mentioned it!!!

Forrest, I just want to thank you for your incredible work. You kindness, patience and genuine joy for science is so contagious and hopefully creates bridges for people that have not yet found access to scientific thinking. You are doing some very important work and I am happy to support your channel.

@yashsingh6508

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely second this!

“What would change your mind?” Ken Ham: Nothing. Bill Nye: Evidence. Donald: Nothing. Forrest: Evidence

@rockmusicvideoreviewer896

3 ай бұрын

God to tell me in a dream that evolution is real

@jackwhitbread4583

3 ай бұрын

And theists just love to tell everyone that the terrible atheists are not open minded? My mind is open theists, change it by all means. I heavily encourage you to give me good reasons to change my beliefs and my worldview. My beliefs are not set in stone and I do consistently change my mind when provided compelling evidence and good reason.

@jo-ln8oo

3 ай бұрын

I'm noticing a trend lol

@peraspera934

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, Ken Ham lost the debate the moment he admitted that. It shows that his motivation is something other than the pursuit of truth.

Just finished watching the video, absolutely amazing. Your patience and ability to explain subject matter is incredible. Well done!!

I am totally in awe of your patience and ability to remain calm and not become frustrated with people hearing a perfect understandable and even simple answer to their questions and they just completely refuse to let any of it actually sink in or they just change the subject or say that your answer didn't address their question and when you ask how they can't tell you why.... major major props for your incredible patience and temperament and love your content and I love how excited you get about the big subjects and how your face just lights up when someone accidentally asleep a really great question that you have a really great answer for

I love the look on Forrest's face when DJP starts talking about "the heart and the lungs and etc." I can just hear his inner monologue screaming "Yes! This is a great question! Lets explore it because the answer is so cool!" haha. Definitely the sign of a great educator, and one of the reasons I love his videos!

this is peak dunning-krueger effect

Forrest, this was perfect. I’ve had this exact conversation with so many people in my life, I just don’t have the right words to succinctly respond like you did. I appreciate your style and this was super helpful.

By the very wholesome and humbling nature of this conversation, I love and appreciate both of you and all thoughts explored! The fact that you recognize your unimportance makes you far more significant than I can use words to describe! Again, Forrest, you are just a phenomenal guy!

I would have rage quit that conversation with some very unkind words. Thank you for staying calm, Forrest. Impressive, and an inspiration to manage my anger better.

And Gramps is so confident! You don't get to make up an answer to a question, say that your answer is correct, THEN reference your answer to validate your answer!

@unknownuser6940

3 ай бұрын

Circular reasoning. A poison that Christianity generally hails as a cure, alongside the poison called blind trust masked as "faith."

@wintergray1221

3 ай бұрын

They use a book to justify the existence of a character _in that same book!_

@philipyates3194

3 ай бұрын

Spiderman?@@wintergray1221

@vez3834

3 ай бұрын

​@@wintergray1221 Harry Potter books confirm that the fictional universe is real. Harry Potter books are real, I can see them... so what they say is the truth.

@wintergray1221

3 ай бұрын

@@vez3834 Wouldn't surprise me if the next isekai novel is "That Time I Got Reincarnated into a Crapsaccharine Wizarding World Wrote By a Bigot" 🤣

I would like to commend both of you for having this conversation, it's great to see people from different sides of an issue having a good discussion and I would not have expected Donald to want to converse after the review of his movie. Kudos to you Donald, I'd be interested to see you have another conversation with Forrest.

This is consistent throughout pretty much every video on this channel but I love how excited Forrest gets when he's explaining complicated subjects. It's the mark of a good teacher and very fun to watch

Oh boy, that felt like a rocket scientist explaining rocket science to a toddler: Scinetist: "A rocket flies because of controlled combustion directed against the force of gravity" Toddler: "Oh-kay mister, bwut why wocket go boom and uwp?"

@meinenklinke

3 ай бұрын

Mean, but incredibly accurate. 😂

@WaysToHuman

3 ай бұрын

Accurate!

@chekhov-and-his-gun

2 ай бұрын

On top of that, the toddler is in denial of the existence of Rockets and continually fighting every single statement

@SaintD382

25 күн бұрын

Religion turns adults into toddlers.

He has a ton of really great questions that have some of the most wonderfully fascinating answers, but he just can't allow himself to step over the threshold of the house of faith that he's built around himself throughout his life. I truly feel a deep pang of sorrow for this man.

@blinkbubs3994

3 ай бұрын

right, you can see in his face that hes paying attention to Forrest's explanations, but once its his turn to give his thoughts, you can see on Donald's face that he's looking for something to confirm what he already thinks

This was a masterful lesson. If only we had more teachers with this combination of knowledge, patience, and facility with breaking down complex subjects.

Fascinating that this guy wrote an entire book about a topic he knows nothing about. That's quite bizarre... and arrogant.

I watched this entire freaking video, all 2 and a half hours, and the number of times I wanted to yell at the screen and would NOT have kept my composure as well as Forrest does is.. immense.

@jamesfetherston1190

3 ай бұрын

If saints were real, I’d say Forrest has the patience of one.

@hc4138

2 ай бұрын

It literally was a 2 hour biology lesson 😂 this would be useful in educational settings haha

So I love that he claims that he's actually studied evolution, yet doesn't even know the basics.

@antediluvianatheist5262

3 ай бұрын

'I have studied the sword for decades. A sword is a cylindrical lump of wood. Let me tell you all about swords.'

@jimmyh6601

3 ай бұрын

​@@antediluvianatheist5262I look forward to a log fight with you😊

@scottlarson1548

Ай бұрын

Gramps also talked about read books (not citing any) on Evolution which makes me wonder if he just flipped through them without understanding anything.

Forrest said in this discussion “it becomes not just a story, it becomes something that just jumps off the page and you can interact with it”. I LOVE this ideology. Evolution may sound magical, but we can physically SEE the change over time!!! Gramps brought up magically forming different body parts. A ‘perfect’ god creating us sounds much more magical than observable evolution

This was such a good conversation!!! .. The best thing about you @Forrest is that you actually take the concerns of the other side seriously and seriously try to understand where the disconnect is. This is what I learn from you, to not simply dismiss someone's idea, and try to explain things to them in a way they might understand, or figure out what is wrong with an explanation from their perspective. The outcome was of course disappointing, but I think gramps also was honest at places and did agree to a lot of things. There are deep foundations that everyone has, and very few are actually ready to let go of them. Brilliant work Forrest!! .. really enjoyed this.

Thank you for your patience, Forrest. While this conversation may not help this guy, it will help people who are honestly evaluating their beliefs.

This isnt me being memetic or joking at all, but Forrest is a fucking Jedi. Like, Luke Skywalker Jedi Master. The way he can remain friendly and coax his interlocutor into more productive conversation, whilst still slamming him with "Facts and Logic" (*Patent Pending: B. SHAPIRO*)

@Dr.JustIsWrong

3 ай бұрын

You mean far away and long dead but still glowy?

@hunterhall1575

3 ай бұрын

@@Dr.JustIsWrong #NotMyLuke lol

@Dr.JustIsWrong

3 ай бұрын

@@hunterhall1575 My Luke died the day Disney signed the check to Lucas..

@hunterhall1575

3 ай бұрын

@@Dr.JustIsWrong well, technically he died 1.232 movies after 😅

@TheModdedwarfare3

3 ай бұрын

Well, um, actually, hypothetically, let's just say

It is just so fascinating that you talk in explanations and he talks in questions.

2:24:53 "I hope you cant change my mind." The way he said that with that tone. I may be overthinking this. But was that a hint of fear? And the way he looks down like that.

1:22:28 Donald: “If that were there the case there would be a multitude of fossils left behind that would show the transitions” Donald doesn’t realize this, but he’s using the scientific method and offering a hypothesis. Thankfully, the results have already been found, and Forrest informs him that we do find these transitions! And thus Donald has successfully provided a great argument towards the theory of evolution

Forrest: [breaks down the evolution of the human eye in clear detail while drawing examples from the animal kingdom for each step] Donald: yeah but how do we *see*

@stephanweinberger

3 ай бұрын

Didn't he phrase it more like "how would we even have the 'idea' to start seeing"? I.e. completely missing the point that _any_ type of sight, even just _very_ rudimentary, will probably be an advantage (in an environment that has light): To avoid predators, to access more energy (be it by doing photosynthesis or by eating other stuff that does and will therefore be more plentiful when there is light), to find more/better partners for procreation (which would be a secondary effect after that mutation already significantly manifests in the population, because at that point that's simply where more/healthier individuals will be), ...

You are just an amazing communicator, Forrest. You inspire me so much!

Thanks for this Forrest, you did an exceptional job! You’ve far more patience then me (and I believe many of us) have to engage calmly in this situations.

Gramps whole argued seems to be ‘but look at the trees’. You did a fantastic job Forrest.

@theshockinglyeloquentdog9945

3 ай бұрын

I guess you could say that..........he was missing the Forest for the trees

49:45 I screamed out of frustration and almost threw my phone against the wall when he asked his question again. You've answered twice by now!!!

@anthonydelgiudice3245

3 ай бұрын

This guy is Biden with a gray wig 😂😂

@David34981

3 ай бұрын

@@anthonydelgiudice3245 Biden is infinitely smarter than this doofus.

@TellusEidolon

3 ай бұрын

I just reached that point, too. Did you get a whiff of arrogant superiority from his demeanour or was that just me?

@Ale_V72

3 ай бұрын

@@TellusEidolon I did at that point, but I think that goes away as the video continues. Even if he kept his mind closed, at least he was very honest about it. Ended better than I expected

@thatnerdyouseeeverywhere7536

3 ай бұрын

@@anthonydelgiudice3245Donald is an Evangelical who are notoriously Republican. Catholics (like Biden) usually accept the theory of evolution so there’s that.

Hats off Forrest. I couldn’t keep my cool as well as you did. But Gramps did inspire me to pray. That I never see him on screen again.

Definitely my new favorite Forrest Valkai vid of all time. The patience and the constant confirmation of "do we agree" then the ultimate moving of the goalposts is just chef's kiss... brilliant.

Forrest really is an outstanding educator.

"Gramps" is a perfect example of someone who seems to ask questions but has no intention of listening to the answers. No matter how gracious Forrest was nor how well he was answering the questions in a way that was easy to understand, it was obvious Parker was ignoring all of it to maintain his beliefs with stubborn abandon.

@stephanweinberger

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Even more so. He often seemed to listen more for some keyword or "gotcha" than actually _understand_ what was being said. It was very clear from the beginning that he had (at best) a very superficial understanding of evolution (e.g. openly admitting that he didn't understand half of the technical terms Forrest was using) - yet he strangely did write a book and made a movie about it... that alone screams "I'm cherrypicking from the few (mostly wrong) arguments I've heard, no need to actually learn about the topic".

I listened to this entire thing while editing a D&D adventure I'm working on and I gotta say this was super fascinating.