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@thearmchairspacemanOG

6 ай бұрын

only CROOKS need a ''v'' pn.

@raya.p.l5919

6 ай бұрын

Jesus pow❤er proof. Warning it will last 72 hours

@DariusRoland

6 ай бұрын

You can really tell the dishonesty (even without a biology degree) in John and Jane's video when John starts talking about God and the "happy guitar" starts playing alongside him to emotionally punctuate his point. YUCK.

@graffic13

6 ай бұрын

Can't wait till " John" comes out as gay and denounces " yesss gawd" because.. this kid a qween!

@Shoomer1988

6 ай бұрын

Even most of Reddit's r/Christianity think they're crazy.

As a gay man, everything i do is homological

@riluna3695

6 ай бұрын

I mean, if you slept with a woman, that would be homoillogical, wouldn't it?

@noodlekeeper5150

6 ай бұрын

You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.

@howlinghellgar2214

6 ай бұрын

As a lesbian, same

@Sherralyn

6 ай бұрын

Love it!!❤❤

@sandrokostic6008

6 ай бұрын

Lol 😂😂 😂

Every time Jane says "Is it just me?" I feel the urge to tell her, "YES!"

@lukebrown2674

6 ай бұрын

Yes it is just her. She is just trying to manipulate others into thinking it isn't just her ideal

@Stormfishingfordiscs

6 ай бұрын

Same

@irenafarm

6 ай бұрын

I definitely do yell YES.

@oxcart4172

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, there are millions like her!

@firesofhelel5717

6 ай бұрын

But the unfortunate answer is that it isn't just her 😔 in fact, she used to be me lol. Forrest is actually teaching me SO much with his videos, to the point where I'm learning I really didn't learn basic biology, ever. 😔

Wizard: "I need a human skull, though please don't ask" Forrest: "OK, but no questions from you either" Wizard: ".. Erh, yeah OK" Forrest produces a large collection of human skulls Forrest: "..." Wizard: "... That one"

@Andrew_Sword

6 ай бұрын

"witch!" -Forrest

@AVRGWIBWTHACN

6 ай бұрын

*Later* Wizard: *brewing a potion* Hmmm, where did he get those?

@Gradgar

6 ай бұрын

Later later: Wizard leaving a Yelp review: 'Good product. High customer discretion. 5 stars. Would buy again.'

@beanids

5 ай бұрын

I remember this tumblr(?) post.

@lordfelidae4505

17 сағат бұрын

Brilliant.

I love how John and Jane call evolution circular reasoning when they're the ones who think the Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible's true.

@corvinredacted

5 ай бұрын

A good portion of religiously motivated "crtiticisms" are just "well, you do it too!" justifications. They can't actually abandon their positions, so instead they try to level they playing field by pretending all paths to truth are just as flawed. When I was a creationist, the whole world seemed impossible to understand because even our best attempts to study reality through science seemed totally arbitrary and pointless. Everything in science had to boil down to equally invalid opinions and guesses-truth was simply impossible to discern with any certainty-otherwise our explanation was obviously inferior. It's the root of mistrust in science as a whole. When your belief doesn't comport with reality, the only way forward is to mistrust everything.

@raymondhartmeijer9300

5 ай бұрын

It's dogmatic thinking, it's really scary. A permanent appeal to authority instead of evidence. "It is written in my holy book, so it is true", but the funny thing is that a lot of these people think atheists do this as well. They seem to believe we also have our "scriptures", and we accept blindly everything Darwin or Einstein ever wrote without evidence.

@Si1vercherry

3 ай бұрын

LITERALLY THO 😭😭 im so glad i was able to escape that mindset-

@urbangorilla33

3 ай бұрын

Also they can't fathom that an eye could evolve separately in different animals, but overlook the fact that gods somehow managed to appear independently in various parts of the world.

@Woopor

2 ай бұрын

Even though evolution is sometimes presented in a way that makes it seem circular, mostly due to people just mixing up examples with evidence, the Bible is entirely circular in every single way.

I am going to guess their entire argument. Are you ready? Here goes: Common features imply a common designer rather than common descent. Bonus points if they confuse analogous and homologous traits. Edit: I’m psychic

@chameleonx9253

6 ай бұрын

And no mention will be made of the equivalent logical argument: the fact that creatures have differences in design implies they had different designers.

@zachattack1279

6 ай бұрын

You’re not psychic creationists have just been saying the same shit for the last forty years

@Entomology314

6 ай бұрын

@@zachattack1279 It’s called a joke.

@Entomology314

6 ай бұрын

@@chameleonx9253 lmao yes

@yanisrigaudy5469

6 ай бұрын

​@@chameleonx9253exactly, that's means creationnists are actually polytheists

Using creationists'videos to teach evolution better than you could on your own is such a MASSIVE dunk and we need to talk about it

@Andrew_Sword

6 ай бұрын

everything is more interesting when a devil is involved maybe? i know i was bored to tears in highschool biology but hearing forrest and aron ra dunk on creationism makes me a whole lot more interested

@4rtiphi5hal19

6 ай бұрын

@@Andrew_Sword I think of it as like learning to spite someone, like suddenly learning stuff to tell someone they're wrong is much more enticing than just learning normally to me depending on some topics

@skateboardingjesus4006

6 ай бұрын

​@@4rtiphi5hal19 That's a pretty shallow incentive for learning.

@4rtiphi5hal19

6 ай бұрын

@@skateboardingjesus4006 i will spend hours reading academic papers just to prove a minor misconception someone has

@orbracha25

6 ай бұрын

wdym? The Light of Evolution is really useful

Hearing Jane say "That's circular reasoning" had me cracking up... the irony 😂

@nicktheghostboy

6 ай бұрын

It's just so perfectly ironic and stupid after hearing her constantly say that everything in that book is impossible so only their "master creator" is right

@jakesmith5278

5 ай бұрын

Hahahha...I don't she knows what that means. She probably just heard it a lot from atheists using it against theists and just wanted to say it.

I lost it at the bullhorn. "GENETICS AND FOSSIL RECORDS!" 🤣

@Phoenix-np1iu

4 ай бұрын

i know lol.

As a mathematician who has studied homological algebra, but knows very little about biology, I was intrigued by the beginning of this video. 😂

@bubblegodanimation4915

6 ай бұрын

Glad you are here to learn!

@kindlin

6 ай бұрын

Can you give a 2 sentence description of homological algebra? I know various math subjects to various degrees, my living being in engineering, not math, but I like to hear about all the new ways people are identifying the math that is all around us.

@pansepot1490

6 ай бұрын

@@kindlin that’s what google is for.

@alevaldezcabrera1106

6 ай бұрын

I need to understand homological algebra for my dissertation project (statistician here). Can you teach me?? 🥺🥺 (Or recommend an intro book)

@kindlin

6 ай бұрын

​@@pansepot1490 Google is going to give me some annoying technical definition, or some overly vague popsci description. This guy seems like someone that could actually articulate it in a reasonable way, and I'd be able to ask a follow-up question if I was still confused.

The Miss naming is very intentional tactic. It makes it much harder for members of their audience that don't already know what homologous structures are to look up any of the real information about them if they don't have the actual name of what they're trying to look up. This tactic is used more generally in apologetics quite frequently.

@jeremyspiers5326

6 ай бұрын

Someone really needs to make a website explaining this and directly connecting each term to its correct term.

@CookiesRiot

6 ай бұрын

More specifically, they give names that are exclusively used within creationist websites instead of scientific papers, so people see a bunch of deceptive sources agreeing with the b.s. as all the top results. This is clearly not accidental.

@idontwantahandlethough

6 ай бұрын

I had Ms. Naming in 4th grade. Always had a huge crush on her.

@kevinhaddad9420

6 ай бұрын

@@idontwantahandlethough I used talk to text and don't always do the best proofreading

@needfoolthings

6 ай бұрын

​@@kevinhaddad9420Miss Naming did do the thoroughmost proofreading.

My favorite detail is “it seems impossible for an eye to evolve twice” suddenly becomes “it is definitely impossible”. No proof, it just seems that way therefore it is.

@Suusleepy

6 ай бұрын

Yeah like when they read that something is rare or unlikely and say "So it can't happen!" They even do something similar in a previous episode where they read a line that says, "Most traits are neutral or even deleterious," and use that as proof that they all are when Most inherently means there are some that differ

@zsan157

23 күн бұрын

Yup most anti science arguments are just: “I have a gut feeling this isn’t true, I must be right”

I love your puzzle analogy, but to be honest sometimes it feels like they threw out all of the pieces and drew what they think the puzzle should look like on a piece of paper

@mjjoe76

6 ай бұрын

Several pieces of paper, actually. And even though some pieces contradict others, they bound all those pieces into a book. Now they insist the pieces of paper are accurate because it says so on the pieces of paper.

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

6 ай бұрын

@@mjjoe76 Oh hey, I have the perfect clip for that: 24:53

@DrachenGothik666

6 ай бұрын

They did it on the back of a bar napkin, that's how cruddy their "arguments" are.

@njhoepner

5 ай бұрын

They found a bronze-age sketch and decided it is the sum total of human knowledge forever and all time.

It's pretty crazy how a lot of this can be learned in an intro to Biology class and most teachers do a very good job of explaining how it works and are more than happy to answer your questions about it.

@jackweaver1846

6 ай бұрын

Sadly those classes have a prerequisite of “wanting to learn”

@rickkwitkoski1976

6 ай бұрын

@@jackweaver1846 Sadly, in "the staites"! Many kids do NOT get taught any of this at all because they go to "Krischin" schools who outright deny SO MUCH Science!

@nawunny

6 ай бұрын

Bold of you to assume that they actually wanna learn anything.

@treysonmcgrady4750

6 ай бұрын

@@jackweaver1846definitely but even worse, some children (both in private and public school but I bet this is a huge homeschool problem) are prevented from learning this due to their parents’ ignorance who will either keep them out of the class or will tell them to ignore it.

@david2869

6 ай бұрын

As a former Intro to Biology teacher, I appreciate this comment!

I'm glad they mentioned eyeballs. Human eyes have a blindspot, octopuses don't. So one might say that the octopus's eye has the better structure. But if Yahweh created man in his own image, and god is perfect, then the eye of the octopus is more perfect than that of Yahweh's. Also, man is supposed to be the besterest of all the animals. Yet cephalopods outdo us in the eyeball department. And what's so weird about convergent evolution. I think it's bloody brilliant. John and Jayne's incredulity is not a valid argument against it.

@andystokes8702

6 ай бұрын

Cephalopods have better designed eyes than we do. Birds of prey have much better vision than we do. Bears and dogs have a much keener sense of smell than we have. Owls have much better haring ability than us. When you look round the animal kingdom there are creatures that outdo us in just about every way. if creation is true then maybe God created the universe specifically for the Peregrine Falcon or maybe the Black Bear? Cockroaches can survive in environments that would kill all humans, maybe they are the pinnacle of God's work?

@isdrakon9802

6 ай бұрын

If octopi survived to create at least a second generation they would probably take over the ocean. The main reason they die is because they are small and have no parents when they're born. Imagine if one the smartest craftiest creatures taught their children to survive and let them grow in safety.

@animeepstudios9110

6 ай бұрын

Doesn’t this just prove the greatness of Cthulhu, our true cephalopod overlord

@ThreeFatesAngel

6 ай бұрын

I must conclude that the chosen race was actually octopi. They multiply prolifically per the edict of their God but due to their sin, they are not allowed to save themselves but rather must wait to be saved by a messiah. We as self-centered humans just assumed that the Bible was about humans not some other species.

@bass-dc9175

6 ай бұрын

Thus proving that C'Thulhu is the one true god.

the most cringe part of these videos for me (as a musician) is when the hopeful happy comfy music kicks in once they say "Well you see, god is the perfect explanation because:" it's super emotionally manipulative Lmao. People associate music with particular feelings, and is such an easy shortcut to brute force that feeling with no good rationale behind it. thank you for another awesome reacteria! much love, Forrest!!

@lidbass

6 ай бұрын

As a very amateur musician, I thoroughly approve of this comment.

@TFStudios

6 ай бұрын

That's the exact reasoning behind doing 'worship music' before sermons because the musicians put specific sounding songs in specific order to best prime people's brains into believing that there's a 'presence' in the church and that their god is speaking directly thru the pastor.

@joelpartee594

6 ай бұрын

And so what we have learned applies to our lives today God has a lot to say in His book

@jimmyh6601

6 ай бұрын

As a Brit I'm not too thrilled to see a creationist wearing my flag 🇬🇧

@the-wisest-emu

6 ай бұрын

Modern Christianity operates in large part by using music to emotionally manipulate people. Every service in evangelical churches use music it to make people think they're feeling the presence of God.

I like how they use the term "impossible" a lot in their videos. Just because they can't understand or explain something doesn't make it impossible.

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

Statistics make things impossible. Evolution creating new proteins by random mutations is impossible. Get an education before posting nonsense

@dino_drawings

6 ай бұрын

@@daveblockyou don’t understand physics, chemistry, biology, evolution, or statistics.

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

@@dino_drawings So Kid with cartoons on his channel is claiming someone doesn’t understand science. Sit down.

@dino_drawings

6 ай бұрын

@@daveblock cartoons? Where? You needs to get your eyes checked my dude. And even if it was cartoons, still doesn’t mean you are right.(because you definitely aren’t)

@seraphimvalkyrin4543

6 ай бұрын

@@daveblock Prove it then. Prove that it is in fact impossible. There are a lot of smarter people out there then you or me who have proven otherwise so I'd like to see you come up with evidence that, if what you say is true and is impossible, would revolutionize our understanding of how life did or didn't come to be. I'm gonna go ahead and bet you can't so maybe you should be the one to get educated and "sit down".

Please explain how a perfect designer could produce people who have brains which could work, but are incapable of using them?

@maxdanielj

6 ай бұрын

Especially when their own book tells them to love their designer with their whole mind

@howlinghellgar2214

6 ай бұрын

And then when people DO use their brains, they get told by christians that they’re “thinking too much” or “don’t have enough faith”. You just can’t win

@inajosmood

6 ай бұрын

Free will, one of God's biggest mistakes. Oh wait 😅

@angelamaryquitecontrary4609

6 ай бұрын

I think it might have something to do with Jane's appalling fashion sense. Especially the hat.

@nathanjohnson9715

6 ай бұрын

@@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 yea... it almost feels petty to brig up, especially considering how dangerous the anti-science rhetoric throughout is, but like... it's a really bad hat. Also, a british flag shirt is a weird choice for an American

Boy… when she said that’s circular reasoning… I wanted to scream, “YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IS CIRCULAR REASONING!!!”

@Animelover660-fq2wi

4 ай бұрын

YOU KNOW WHO ELSE USES CIRCULAR REASONING? MY M-

This exact topic is what opened the door to me leaving the church. I was a child drawing animals and had the realization that they were all the same structures. And then I thought about all the times I've made up an animal and how they rarely resembled each other and became immediately disappointed in god's lack of creativity. Why would he make three designs and just tweak them over and over again? Wouldn't he get bored? He had the opportunity to make each and every creature totally unique, but instead he copy pasted his way through the world. I have since looked into this subject more and have a far better understanding than I did as a child having a religious chrisis (pun not initially intended) in art class but it remains one of my favorite biology topics to this day.

@antonliakhovitch8306

6 ай бұрын

Lol chrisis (pun intended?)

@2to5Raccoons

6 ай бұрын

@@antonliakhovitch8306 lol. Nope, just dyslexic, but honestly that's a surprisingly funny pun. Good catch

@lonesavior

5 ай бұрын

Not to mention there's a lot of cases where the similar structures in one animal are basically a detriment. Like some of the herbivore carnivora. Why would a designer use a suboptimal digestive system for a task if they had a better one designed for it?

@antonliakhovitch8306

4 ай бұрын

@@jeffmaehre7150 At the risk of stating the obvious -- I don't think that creationists (or people in general), on average, are so easily convinced by facts and logic.

@jeffmaehre7150

4 ай бұрын

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying they make excuses, like God can't do X, etc. It's a contradiction.@@antonliakhovitch8306

Forrest speaking Spanish is my new favorite thing in the world 🤣. I love this man 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@isaac_marcus

6 ай бұрын

It threw me for such a loop lmao

7:40 - "Impossible... Times two!" If John knew probability theory better, he would have said, "Impossible... SQUARED!"

@jeffmaehre7150

4 ай бұрын

The Creationist Paradox: if the creationist understood logic and reasoning, s/he wouldn't BE a creationist.

homological: when you’re Spock but you’re also into Bussy. Plants are actually really great for Homology arguments because you can basically show the complete evolutionary process from algae to angiosperms, with extant plant species. You can start at mosses and show exactly how we got from there through liverworts, clubmosses, ferns, basal gymnosperms, conifers, magnolias, to daisies, and show the development of all the different structures on a plant and how they changed as evolution progressed.

@ryansergas2776

6 ай бұрын

that took me a second

@Dokataa

6 ай бұрын

That’s just normal Spock honestly

@juanausensi499

6 ай бұрын

Plants don't exist for creationsts.

@lettersnstuff

6 ай бұрын

@@juanausensi499 damn, that’s a good point, actually.

@ryansergas2776

6 ай бұрын

@@juanausensi499 thats right. They exist for ME I'm the plant man

It surprises me how educational the series gets with these two. Science has never been easy for me to understand, and every time "John & Jane" are on the screen I learn so much. It's incredible how easy it is to see something when you have two INCREDIBLY biased actors trying to tell you it's something different. Forrest just brings it all together so nicely! Thank you for helping me understand science by debunking this tragedy of a video series.

Anytime I see someone say that creatures are perfectly designed, I think of my need of glasses to see anything clearly, my food allergies, and my ADHD. If I’m designed exactly how some sky wizard wanted me to be, then he’s a mean kid with a magnifying glass over an anthill wanting to see something suffer.

@jeffmaehre7150

4 ай бұрын

Great post!

@ertymexx

4 ай бұрын

Pretty much, yeah. Actually god being a nasty kid would explain a lot of the bible. I mean, if you were a believer which I am not.

@l.n.3372

2 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity, how do creationist idiots actually address "glasses, food allergies, etc" if they legitimately believe all humans are designed *perfectly*? Surely, our bad eyesight and allergies imply that humans are not perfect in any way whatsoever. Especially since humans also develop diseases, which most animals are immune to, thereby implying we're far from perfect.

@lesgamersdemodees1774

Ай бұрын

Every time I hear a Christian say that were all made to be perfect that it makes me sad that they don't even understand the Bible. The whole message is that none of us can perfect 🤦

Even though I've left religion and become an atheist, I feel fortunate that my parents raised me with critical thinking skills. My mother was a librarian and taught me to research. My father was an electrical engineer and taught me that science was fun and how it could be verified. I even remember my parents telling me in my youth (80s and 90s) that the scientific evidence of evolution was strong enough that they couldn't deny it. My mother liked to say that eventually we would understand all of God's processes, but for now, the connection between how he did it and what science says remains a mystery, so it was important to separate them and understand verifiable science. I like to think that their critical thinking skills that they taught me are what led to me questioning faith in general, though they'd probably be horrified by that *lol*

Hello Forrest, I’m Oscar Swinburn, I love your videos and your video style, it’s helped encourage me to study hard and do what I love. I now study biology, chemistry and physics and I’m working on my DofE and EPQ and I’m also teaching lessons on one of my favourite subjects in science in some primary schools in my area. My favourite field of science, the science that I predominantly study, evolutionary biology! Specifically palaeontology (they’re both technically sub fields of each other, it’s weird). I’m also working on my own videos on most if not all topics of science. (Yes it’s a lot at once, I am insane) and your videos have been a huge inspiration for all of it! Thank you for that!

@chojin6136

6 ай бұрын

If you take anything from Forrest, I hope that it's the enthusiasm and energy he brings to these videos. It's infectious, in the best ways, and brings the subject to life, so to speak. If you can do even half of that, I think you'll do well

@DreadEnder

6 ай бұрын

@@chojin6136 absolutely! I literally modelled my study after his! (I promise I have some sanity) and you can feel the enthusiasm coming off of him!

@DreadEnder

6 ай бұрын

@@ConontheBinarian my real name is the name of my channel. And I don’t care whether my name is on the internet or not.

@CollinGerberding

6 ай бұрын

@@ConontheBinarian why not?

@CollinGerberding

6 ай бұрын

love to see this, but I highly suggest you make a pfp that isn't someone else's IP. Doesn't have to be your face or your actual person, just it needs to be something people can't copyright claim. It's wonderful to see not only the joy of learning in another human, but the drive to share that learned knowledge really is the best. Keep going. It's gonna take a lot of work so make sure you're not overexerting more than usual--I assume that will make sense. Hope you're well.

Fun fact about blue tongue skinks: the blue tongue flashing at predators - especially birds that see in UV light - essentially blinds them because blue reflects UV light like flashing a mirror at someone

@fawnieee

3 ай бұрын

I used to own one. That is very cool!

This is why I love the (sadly extinct) Tasmanian Tiger. It's a marsupial with stripes like a tiger, incredibly canine-like features, and had basically zero ancestral link to wolves or dogs. It's where I first learned about convergent evolution: similar environmental pressures naturally selecting similar traits.

@diarmuidkuhle8181

6 ай бұрын

Same. I also find it interesting that the English language settled on likening the animal to a tiger because of its coat pattern, while German went with the overall body shape and named it the 'Tasmanian wolf'.

@idle_speculation

6 ай бұрын

It’s more like parallel evolution since dogs and thylacines are both mammals which came from roughly the same ancestral shape at a fairly recent point in the past. A better example of convergent evolution might be sun spiders having claws the same shape as the skulls of shrews or cats, or the sea slug Phylliroe being shaped like a fish despite being a mollusk.

@simond.455

6 ай бұрын

@@diarmuidkuhle8181 They should have been named Zebracat and Zebrawolf. 😆

@Phoenix-np1iu

4 ай бұрын

marsupials are really interesting

Another thing that kinda irks me is that they keep saying that *evolution* is random, no evolution is quite predictable actually, we’ve been able to force evolution tons of times, what’s actually random is *mutation* the mutations are random but evolution is not.

@SpicyCurrey

Ай бұрын

Yeah saying evolution is random because mutations are random is like saying evolution is not random because selection is not random. Portions of it are random and portions of it are not random. But obviously they are trying to say that the portion of it that is random is so influential that it makes it improbable or impossible. Obviously them just saying so is not an argument 😅

@user-fg5xs9lh7s

11 күн бұрын

​@@SpicyCurreyI was on a KZread short about creationism from a channel similar to this one a couple days ago, and when I sorted the comments by new, there was a creationist copy pasting the same argument over and over again for 7 months. It was about the human genome and "there are so many potential combinations of base pairs that could exist" and how "unlikely" it was to end up in the specific human genome. Multiple people throughout those 7 months continually corrected him that it isn't a random process at all but he kept posting non stop. They simply refuse to listen. They pick a strawman and if you tell them how it actually works they just ignore you and keep running with their own made up version of how evolution works. It's such an easy argument to refute, like an ai has an insanely huge possibility space that only depends on the level of decimal precision you're allocating, but when you specifically train it to do a task it isn't "unlikely" that it ends up at a configuration that accomplishes that task. It's so frustrating how they just ignore everything contradictory to their own strawman lol Edit: just realised that commenter I was talking about, was actually on this channel. He's not on this specific video. But he's still actively posting in others. Most recent comment was a couple hours ago. Same exact already debunked argument.

Creationists appear to have a missing link - between their brain and common sense! Forrest, never stop teaching!

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

6 ай бұрын

Ah yes, it's just like I learned in biology class. The second cranial nerve links the brain to the common sense gland, located behind the eye socket or somesuch. 🙄

@derrentner4515

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@imveryangryitsnotbutterBro his meaning of a connection was as metaphorical as his meaning of the common sense. He simply wanted to say that they are not able to use commons sense in a funny way and you not getting it just makes it funnier lol😂

@imveryangryitsnotbutter

6 ай бұрын

@@derrentner4515 No shit, Sherlock. I'm heckling the OP because it was a really lame joke. Read the room.

@derrentner4515

6 ай бұрын

@@imveryangryitsnotbutter Then ur understanding of sarcasm is not the same as mine but i respect ur opinion and excuse my previous answer

@dryfox11

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@imveryangryitsnotbutterMan, you must be fun at parties. Poor OP had no comments on his post till you decided to (as you said) heckle him like a dick. Be nice.

Once, someone asked me how we know the distance to the sun, and I said, "That's an interesting question. I should do some research on that." And I looked it up, and I learned some neat stuff about how scientists solve puzzles like that (I mean, the answer is always "math", really, but figuring out what math to do gets really interesting). I've noticed that Creationists favor a different approach: someone asks them a question and they say, "I don't know... and therefore there is no possible answer." They said it directly in this video, and implied it a few more times. How bleak their lives must be, without the possibility of ever learning anything new.

It’s impossible for an eye to form through evolution but it’s absolutely possible for an eye to form by magic. WTF? 😅

@peppermintgal4302

6 ай бұрын

Technically speaking, anything can be explained by magic! Nothing can be predicted by it, though, which is why magic is not scientific lol

POV: Someone has an answer for everything you don’t understand about evolution. Love you Forrest. Orgalorg bless

@ihavenoideaonanything

6 ай бұрын

dont let the lich lead you astray

@nathanjohnson9715

6 ай бұрын

All hail Orgalorg, the cosmic pants eating alien god who died on the space cross for our space sins.

They think they're questioning scientists but just sound confused by freshman biology.

@Phoenix-np1iu

4 ай бұрын

lol yeah

"precisely tailored" human fucking knees. And hips. And spines. And feet. And that one nerve that goes through the heart. Tell me again how all these features are "precisely tailored" when they break down so easily and dont actually work well for the shit we use them for.

@elingeniero9117

6 ай бұрын

The Appendix. Engineered to randomly burst and kill about 8 % of the population. Precise tailoring indeed.

Forest, you’re the biology teacher I never had (I went to a small Christian school). After high school I went on to become an electrical engineer and didn’t spend much time in college on biology so these videos have become a great launchpad to learning more about biology after work. Keep up the great work!

MAAAA! WAKE UP MA! FORREST POSTED ANOTHER REACTERIA!!! (This is legit my favorite series)

Totally off topic here, but I watched your video on the small towns teaching creationism in class with biology and actually learned about the relationship between melanin and riboflavin. I told my kids about it and they were really impressed and thought it was so cool that other people had different "super powers". Thank you for that 🙏

@sarahchristine2345

6 ай бұрын

Check out the role of skin color with regards to folate and pregnancy! Isn’t Forrest the best 👨‍🏫👨‍🔬🥼

@fluffsarecute

6 ай бұрын

@@sarahchristine2345 Thank you! It's been a few weeks so I got a little confused, but yeah. It was awesome!

@Phoenix-np1iu

4 ай бұрын

what video is that?

The fact that you can point to aspects of your own discipline and say, "This is stupid/We got this wrong/This was a terrible thing," is a big part of the difference between you and the people you react to. The willingness to not just be criticized but actively criticize yourself is a sign of maturity and understanding that a lot of apologists and 'debate bros' lack.

I love how they always wanna make evolution seem random, when really it's not. Like at all, the mutations are more or less random but of course only beneficial mutations will stay, because most dead things don't make kids anymore

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

Mutations are random. Random mutations cannot produce new useful proteins to build new body parts. Fact.

@dino_drawings

6 ай бұрын

@@daveblockmutations are random, evolution is not.

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

@@dino_drawings Random mutations are responsible for Darwinian evolution. You sound like a fool.

@dino_drawings

6 ай бұрын

@@daveblockyes. Responsible for genetic diversity. Evolution is far more that isn’t random. You sound like someone who saw a 5 min video, and now thinks you know everything.

Homologous and analogous structures both existing seems like something nearly impossible for a creationist to reconcile Why would an intelligent designer make the internal structures of bat wings more similar to human arms than to bird wings? Or a whale's tail have building blocks more similar to a dog's than a fish's?

@Suusleepy

6 ай бұрын

And to explain it they often evoke arguments using how God behaves, instead of establishing God is real they say "Well God must Think/Act in an XYZ way"

I’m always amazed by the whole creationist argument. I’m in my 70s and even our preacher (back when I was a teen and attended church) wasn’t a die hard creationist. He did do some inventive rationalization to satisfy himself with accepting creationism and evolution, but at least we were never forced into abandoning science by him.

An interesting thing I found out a little while back, is that, even with homo sapiens, convergient evolution has occured. Blond hair has popped up in four different world regions as a result of four independently occurring and different gene expressions! Amazing!

@sarahchristine2345

6 ай бұрын

Really? That’s fascinating

@idle_speculation

6 ай бұрын

Europeans and native Australians developed different genes for it independently, right?

The puzzle analogy was the most beautifully put thing I've heard in a long time. Wonderful.

I very seriously considered becoming an ocular veterinarian specializing in big cats. I love eyes, eye structure, and all the variants so many animals have evolved into having over so very many generations. Thank you so much for these videos, they're always a treat to watch and make me laugh and give me hope there are still people following their dreams!

I love how Forrest's reacteria videos always teach me more about evolutionary biology that I didn't know. Definitely one of my favorite divisions of biology to learn about.

Cephalopod eyes are honestly just so neat all on their own that comparing them to mammal eyes and saying their the same is kind of offensive to both kinds of eyes. Like. Cuttlefish don't have color cones but can detect the wavelengths of different colors of light by changing the shape and focus of their w pupils. That's friggin fascinating. My eye can't do that.

Your passion for education is infectious. Those of us that have discovered your channel are fortunate that you chose to utilize KZread to share your knowledge. Thanks.

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

Too bad Forrest is clueless about evolution

@optillian4182

6 ай бұрын

​@@daveblockSince when?

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

@@optillian4182 Since his first video.

@optillian4182

6 ай бұрын

@@daveblock No.

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

@@optillian4182 Yes

That bit in the beginning with the skulls had me laughing my ass off 😂

Thank you for this video Forrest. This is actually the first time I've laughed or smiled in months. You are really coming into your own, and finding your style, and I am all for it. 💪🤘

- it's impossible! - well no, look, it happened 4 times - then its 4 tiimes impossible!!

My college professor had a dedicated time in her lecture to rant about people that deny evolution, it was amazing.

Oh god, not those two kids again? Don't know what's worse, their acting or their religion?

@karldubhe8619

6 ай бұрын

Kids? They'd not need any id to buy beer or liquor.

@jameshall1300

6 ай бұрын

Their religion is definitely worse. Bad acting can at least be funny every now and then, fundamentalist Christianity is pretty much always just infuriating and depressing.

@CaptJP2

6 ай бұрын

They are awful in both instances. More aggravating to me, however, is their smug attitude generated by their willful ignorance.

@jameshall1300

6 ай бұрын

@@CaptJP2 agreed on that too. I can understand and forgive stupidity or ignorance by themselves, but being ignorant on purpose is just disgusting. Being proud of it on top is just..... 🤮

@THarSul

6 ай бұрын

[zoidberg meme] why not both?

Forget four times! Flying likely developed multiple times within insect groups alone!

I love when creationists talk about circular reasoning

Forrest Valkai is such a good dude. This channel is great at not just shutting down bogus arguments but showing why those arguments are flawed.

My favorite part of every video is when Forrest raises his voice, musses his hair or brings out the bullhorn. And this episode features all three of those! You know it’s a good one when Forrest is half-crazed throughout the middle part of the video.

I was watching this in my physics class right before it started, and my TA noticed and got excited asking if this was forest’s new video. He talked about how dumb the people in it are. It was so funny. He’s a great TA

I feckin LIVE for Forest's Reacteria series. I get so excited every time a new one drops.

I've been studying red pandas a lot this year - and I don't just mean watching lots of videos of them being cute. And the more I learn about any animal the more it only makes sense when seen in the light of evolution. This video made me think of them again. They show convergent evolution with the giant panda, both having independently evolved a "false thumb" to help them hold bamboo to eat, which initially fooled people into assuming they are closely related, because of that apparent homologous structure that turned out to be an analogous one. Genetics confirms the two pandas are only very distant relatives, with no false-thumbed ancestors.

Ah nice new Forrest video! The most important event this year.

Forrest, I just wish to thank you for this type of content. I'm going to start studying biology next year and your videos feel like a great introduction to what I love (not to mention how engaging, fun, and comprehensible yet not superficial this is)

That puzzle analogy was amazing. I'm gonna use this in the future.

The puzzle example is amazing and I really love how clearly that describes the two different thought processes. Amazing as always Forrest!!

the puzzle analogy is perfect

Fantastic as always, Forrest! I love this series. Its also great on repeat watches just to really take the time to understand every bit that you put out. Keep doing what you do!

I've had to pause this video several times because I keep having intrusive questions that make me want to Google. Thank you for giving me a reason to ask questions, even if they are relatively random.

I'll say it: I'm on the same track with you on the subject, so I'm watching these just because of my appreciation of comedy. And you're nailing it.

Thanks for the great work (from a biologist and comrade from Germany).

omg Me and my husband have missed your Reacteria videos so badly! They're our favorite videos on KZread. They're both funny and very educational. We learn so much!

thanks for that last part. it's nice to be reminded that you don;t accept things you just fail to reject them. as a stem major i need to remember that lol

More debunkings, please! These times needs that! All of you, science people, do it!

Intelligence doesn't remove curiosity, but refines it in a manner that is so well reflected in Forrest Valkai's video presentations. He helps us digest reality with knowledge and communication skills.

Hey so there’s this channel called Long Story Short trying to prove creationism with science (lol). Some of their arguments seem to be complex to me for people without a scientific background. Would be great to see you react to it!

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

Then how do you know they aren’t correct about creation if you don’t understand?

@TacticalAnt420

6 ай бұрын

@@daveblock I actually understand them. But they use complex vocabulary and “sources” to prove their point. Upon reading their sources, you realize none of them support their claim, only providing facts for their “arguments”. If you don’t know better, you’ll trust him and his claim that can be explained.

@daveblock

6 ай бұрын

@@TacticalAnt420 Evolution we see is loss of information….mutations that degrade genes, that’s how small beaks were created on Darwin’s finches, polar bears are white, ostriches got large. Real evolution from a common ancestor requires the creation of systems of new proteins by random mutations….impossible. Actual science debunks evolution from a first cell. Look at the definition of evolution, you will see nothing about the creation of new systems…only change in existing. Why? Because even evolutionist cannot find a mechanism to build. They lie to you and say ‘just add time” to micro evolution. Degradation of genes over time will never add up to build a new system. You need more education before making your incorrect assumptions. Science 100% of the time shows creation.

@JETAlone12

6 ай бұрын

@@TacticalAnt420 Just a heads up, Dave here is a troll who has admitted in the comments of some of Forrest's other videos to using sockpuppets and actively gaslighting people. Best not to engage.

I recently discovered your channel, and as a Hs bio teacher am loving this content. Please keep it up!

I would love to know what John and Janes grades where in their science classes 😂😂😂

@TracedaBassman

6 ай бұрын

Their Mom did not teach science in Homeschool, but they learned lots of Bible verses.

@above7793

6 ай бұрын

Bold of you to assume they went to science classes

@maxdanielj

6 ай бұрын

They're probably homeschooled using answers in Genesis material

@kamion53

6 ай бұрын

F like in faith.

@sandrokostic6008

6 ай бұрын

They weren't in science class at all, obviously.

The thing about protestants is that by failing to appreciate God , obsessing on a fundamentalist and very flawed interpretation of a modified bible, cannot comprehend that when we say God created all things on earth, it doesn't mean he actively intervened in the material plane of existence. That would be assigning material qualities to God. He has created all things on earth metaphysically, and outside of time, neither proactively nor retroactively, nor constantly. God "Is", we cannot assign qualities like "intelligence" to something that is completely beyond definable qualities (which would logically make God imperfect). Religion and science can coexist and thrive, but fundamentalism without theology or philosophy is just absolutely ... deleterious

I was shown these videos in a class for a week (out of town teacher), and their misunderstandings were so bad, even though I had only taken about half a year of biology at that point, I asked some questions that lead to the substitute relying on conspiracy to back the claims (essentially most biologists are liars or deceived by liars). So I have a particular distaste for this series, and I enjoy seeing it being taken apart to better inform those who may not have had the luxury of a biology course!

I love science, I love learning all these things about science just by watching these videos. They’re are also genuinely funny to watch you disprove creationists

Bro, you are the man! Your videos are so informative and well put together, and i truly enjoy each and every one. Thank you

Always learn new terminology watching these, and a few good laughs. Thanks Forrest. ✌

Suggesting that convergent evolution is a problem for evolution just so perfectly illustrates that someone doesn't understand evolution. It's common for science-rejectors to focus on mutations exclusively, and say or think that evolution is purely random chance, in which case convergent evolution would be a problem. But the other part of evolution is natural selection, and if two species face similar challenges in their environments, of course mutations that help with that would be selected. We see differences in those structures, because different mutations can be selected in different species that provide a similar benefit to each, or they can build off of existing mutations that are different.

Bayesian mimicry is awesome. I found a milk snake in my backyard that not only looked like a copperhead but was in some dried leaves and started shaking the tip of its tail to sound like a rattlesnake.

@petercoo9177

6 ай бұрын

Now, that's really interesting. We have milk snakes where I live, but they're (sadly) very rare. However, I've tried to move a fox snake in the past (just to get it off a path so it wouldn't get stepped on) and it started doing the same thing; even though I knew very well that it was only a fox snake, I instinctively jumped back about three feet. The mimicry is incredibly effective.

That puzzle analogy was friggin amazing! I love how well it was crafted! Jane is more like the third person: the one who finds two pieces that fit right away, and lays them down, but accidentally puts the pieces picture-side down, but assumes that, because the pieces fit together, it must be a solid picture of grey-brown card-paper across the whole puzzle, and just keeps getting more frustrated trying to search for pieces without any kind of reference.

@shannadaul6438

6 ай бұрын

Love the 3rd scenario you added. Reminded me of a TV show back in the ninety's where a kid did that....but he was so good at puzzles *he* has absolutely no problem putting it together, then flipped it over to show the picture. (I'm pretty sure it was ice cream) Jane wouldn't be able to do that though!

@Ian_sothejokeworks

6 ай бұрын

@shannadaul6438 I was kind of inspired by that! I always wondered if he figured out that talent by accident, but later realized he was just so good at puzzles, he started doing it to challenge himself. I later met an old lady who did the same thing, but she was blind, and could feel the shape of the pieces better on the cardboard side. I thought that was really cool!

@shannadaul6438

6 ай бұрын

@@Ian_sothejokeworks It's been so long since I've seen that show, but I think he did tons of puzzles with his grandmother.... Idk?... I only remember 2 things from that show That puzzle scene, and the mean-girl complaining "why do bad things happen to good people?" when things didn't go the way she wanted. I remember at ten thinking... it's because you're MEAN! 😆

@shannadaul6438

6 ай бұрын

@@Ian_sothejokeworks and that's awesome about that blind lady you met! That's really so cool.

I grew up in a Christian household and consider myself to still be one. What I have always thought is that if science can be articulated, proven, and applied consistently, then my faith (and subsequent beliefs) should be based around science. My goal is to understand my spiritual beliefs through scientific evidence and never the opposite

@awkwardukulele6077

6 ай бұрын

The perspective of, “Science is learning about the world, so that means I’ll be able to learn about what God made! 😊” is way too rare of a mindset. I’m glad there’s people like you who can actually look at the world and appreciate it along with your religion in harmony. ❤

@MichaelAChristian1

5 ай бұрын

Trust in the Lord and lean not on your own understanding. There nothing proven or real about evolutionism. It's based on imagination with zero observations and countless frauds and FAILED predictions.

I've never been so excited for someone to be able to stretch their arms out. Congrats on the bigger, badder, and better recording space, Forrest! Absolutely looking forward to the "all kinds of activities" you're conjuring up in that amazing brain of yours. Your content is remarkably enjoyable. Keep up the incredible work, my good friend!

Gday forrest, just want to say thx for the videos. im an old Aussie now days but i just love the excitement you bring to science. i talk to my nephews all the time about how things work and regularly play your videos to them when they have questions. best way for kids to learn is by demonstrating in the simplest terms how sometimes complex things work while not skipping things. sometimes hard to do but you do it well.

I feel like this needs to be repeated for every one of these: just because you ask a question, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an answer

Part of what the common design argument doesn’t address is why the living things that are most similar in one area will tend to also be most similar in many other areas, even when there’s no clear functional reason why that would be the case. For example, the animals with the most similar hands and muscles to humans also have some of the most similar ears to humans, and the same dental formula as humans, and the same lower molar pattern as humans, and only 2 nipples both located on the chest, and no tail like humans. Under a common design model, we could predict that there might be a group of animals with similar hands to humans and there might be a group of animals with similar ears to humans and there might be a group of animals with the similar teeth to humans. But we would not expect for it to all be the same animals simultaneously. Another good example is all of the many traits that distinguish mammals. All mammals have hair and produce milk, most mammals have external ears and NOTHING ELSE ALIVE HAS EXTERNAL EARS. All mammals are warm blooded. Most mammals have a 4 chambered heart and almost all mammals, even giraffes, have exactly 7 neck vertebrae with the only 2 living exceptions being sloths and manatees, whereas outside of mammals it’s common for animals to have differing numbers of neck vertebrae. Also, most mammals have heterodont teeth with incisors, canines, premolars, and molars. And all mammals have lungs and don’t have gills, even whales which spend there whole lives in water. These are just some of the many characteristics that distinguish mammals. It would be highly unlikely to be a giant coincidence that we can predict what traits a species will have like this based on other traits it has with such precise accuracy, yet there’s no clear functional reason why most mammals would share all these traits while other groups don’t. Thus, mammals being a clade would be the best explanation.

Just when I thought today couldn't get any better... always happy to see a new Reacteria!

I really enjoy these videos. Thank you for making them and I can't wait for the next one!😊

I've watched these guys get schooled by Aron Ra and now by Forrest? Marvelous! ❤

@alexvalentim1418

6 ай бұрын

I would love to see it by Prof Dave, because all of the trashtalking

It would be impossible squared, not impossible times two. They can't even get their probabilities right.

I would LOVE to see a paragraph or two from fundamental books in science read at the end of these videos.

Thanks for making more Reacteria, been missing it something fierce!

What I want to know from these two is why a mantis shrimp can see waaaaaaaaay more colors than me, yet I’m yelled at by my then-fiancée for not “seeing” the difference between periwinkle and lavender….

@diarmuidkuhle8181

6 ай бұрын

This confuses me. Periwinkles are very clearly blue while lavender flowers are a light shade of purple.

@idle_speculation

6 ай бұрын

They have more types of cone cells, but they’re not very good at distinguishing between colors, so you’re both probably in the same boat.

@sarahchristine2345

6 ай бұрын

think about all the colors we can’t see 🤯

@thelostone6981

6 ай бұрын

@@diarmuidkuhle8181 Really, it was an inside joke just for me so I’m not surprised someone would be confused by it. My first wife’s wedding colors were periwinkle and rose so I would tease her that it was purple and pink. She’d get flustered and I’d have to apologize for being an ass even though I truly have a hard time seeing/knowing the subtle nuances in colors. So when I see videos from fundamentalists crapping on evolutionary biology, I think of the mantis shrimp’s eyes, and of other animals, who have “better” evolutionary traits than us humans. And when I’m at a home improvement store looking at color swatches, I can see the subtle differences, but I could not for the life of me point to a flower and say “that’s periwinkle because of the bluish hue to it” so you’ll have to forgive me. I hope this clarifies things maybe just a bit. Cheers!

@thelostone6981

6 ай бұрын

@@idle_speculation And I wonder which one of us tastes better dipped in cocktail sauce?? I kid. 😝 But in all seriousness, I do think of animals with better eyesight (and other evolutionary traits) than us humans when I see videos like this. Take the hawk for example; the distance they can see is phenomenal! Yet I need a corrective lease just to drive a car safely. Plus, some species have two different focal points, and we have one? If we were designed, then we got the short end of the stick!

This is really unfair Forrest. You either have to make these way less enjoyable...or make them much quicker! Loved this one. Keep up the good work :)

I've seen a lot of videos debunking creationism (is that right?) but yours are the best. I learn so much more from yours. Thanks!

Man I've been waiting for this episode.. thank you for the episode