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@CarAudioEnthusiasts

4 күн бұрын

well, bright side is, you demonstrated that wire size matters in power output. but also show that you can pull quite a bit of power through OFC wire. potential video material here (wink wink) love the fact that you owned the mistake, shows your character.

@KiiaraPlaylist

4 күн бұрын

I Often Use Your Videos As Reply Comments 🫡

@Luis-Giovanni

Күн бұрын

Would like to see you test a DB Drive 1200.1 mono amp.. curious how they perform..

You have redeemed yourself Big D! You were going really old school running 12 gauge power wire.

@wal

4 күн бұрын

😝 and it was more like 20GA

@Stoneman1971

4 күн бұрын

@@wal wow! I'm surprised he was able to put out so much power the first time around. But that definitely explains why it didn't sound very well when you did a sound test. But I can easily see how you did it, being marked power I might have did the same thing. Great video is always Big d.

@bojow8102

4 күн бұрын

😆

The reason the amp is in a box like that is so that if they want, they can push them to Walmart or whatever... or smaller retailers can buy them and resell them locally. Pushing them online is likely the most cost effective for them right now, but shipping pallets of them to WalMart is the long term dream.

@wal

4 күн бұрын

Makes sense 👌

@steventhomas5865

2 күн бұрын

You actually find these in shops on shelves all over the Asia Pacific region.

We’re all big dummies- the biggest ones just won’t admit it 🤣 Crazy power for 60$ Great for that new basshead on a budget

@wal

4 күн бұрын

Man this amp totally redeemed itself! And it knew all along 🤣

@LivinLoudwithAndy

3 күн бұрын

@@wal it really did ! 🙂⚡️

I also noticed that, but I figured you made the corrections before you did the test. Hey, I don't know a single installer who hasn't made a mistake, and that one was an easy fix. If it were in an actual car, it would not have played anything at all due to a head unit's remote wire putting out less than 1 amp. Therefore, the issue would have been caught before the customer drove off.

@wal

4 күн бұрын

You are 💯 on that! Can’t believe that tiny 20ga wire allowed that much current! It’s only a few inches, but dayummm

Lol, we have all made mistakes, given how many amps you wire up, statistically you were bound to mess up sooner or later.

@kaboom4679

4 күн бұрын

He was just stress testing the remote lead is all . And y'all thought that fuse was the rock star , lol .

@Sir_PharkWad

4 күн бұрын

​@@kaboom4679😂

@savage6394

3 күн бұрын

I'd be willing to bet, Derek isn't the first person to do that on this model of amp. The “Power” above remote terminal is just asking for people to hook it up backwards.

Spongebong Hemp-Pants would love some Ocean Audio!

I switched out my alpha hifonics 1200.4 out with salt 200.4 and the power/grounds were opposite, luckily I only had a 60 amp fuse that popped instead of the amp.

@Des420

4 күн бұрын

That usually results in a poof of smoke! Lucky!

@Chris-B-Bassin

4 күн бұрын

@Des420 no doubt. If I had the recommended 200 amp fuse the salt 200.4 requires it probably would've. I definitely consider myself lucky 🤣

Cue Fred Sanford:) (we've all done this I've even done this by accident not paying attention to ground and 12 volt)

I admire your integrity not many people would shit on a product and then make a video admitting your mistake. Thats why I watch your videos ( Honest opinions) unlike the other bought and sold hacks.

Definitely has a place in a tight budget build

@marcovaldovinos5009

4 күн бұрын

Just dont be mad when they pull up next to you and it sounds better than your expensive set up😅

@Sir_PharkWad

4 күн бұрын

​@@marcovaldovinos5009😂

Heck yeah. Thanks big d. I’m always flipping cars and little amps like this help them sound good for little money. I bought 3 just now after seeing they make the power and sound good. Thanks brother 👍✌️

Don't be too hard on yourself Big D! You made a mistake, but you were also big enough to admit it. It happens to the best of us. Now go test some more amps, and have a blast doing it like you always do!

@wal

3 күн бұрын

Thanks brother!

Lol, been there, done that. Don't feel so bad. 99.9% of us have all done it.

@volvo09

4 күн бұрын

Wonder how many people have a n amp wired up like that at this moment! It's not the first time, and if it's not a big power install many wouldn't notice at all.

Now that I've seen the "corrected" video, I might seriously consider this amp for one of my Geo Metros. I don't hold it against you at all for making a simple mistake. It's refreshing to see that you are actually human. Even much more respect since you took the time to redeem this little amp. 😉👍

Thanks very much for showing the new video , and awesome job remaking the video and not letting the wrong info go out to us. Keep up the amazing work brother 👍

@wal

3 күн бұрын

I appreciate the feedback and taking it easy on me

Awesome job as always! Even the way you corrected your error and highlighted everything was very humbly done and a good example for others to follow. Thanks for continuing to do these videos and spread the information.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

Thanks man, I do my best but "is to be human" to occasionally slip up

Sub isn't popping anymore, lol. Pretty impressive that it did that well with 12 gauge power wire

I was looking for a review/test of this amp and couldn't find one so was hesitant to pull the trigger, perfect timing on this video! I plan to buy it and put it under my single din headunit to power the cabin speakers. Thanks for taking a measurement including the speaker connectors! Nice little amp for $100CAD

Now that is how you do it BigD! Appreciate the redo and the continued honest content. Mistakes happen we are all human. If anything it shows how using the wrong size cable WILL impact sound and performance. Still impressive running on that small wire.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

Absolutely! This little budget banger has it's flaws, but pretty insane deal for the $$

Interesting little amp! I wish you’d gotten some temp measurements on it, I may buy one of these and check it out. Great vid as always!!!!!!👍🏻

This is why we love your channel!

Industry flip flopped. Back in the day car audio was crazy expensive now today this amp for the house would be 4 times this price even for chifi

Big D!!!! My first car was a grey 4D Geo Metro called "The Mouse", so miss that car. This error sounds like a video idea for Justin (DIY Audio Guy) or Kicker UnMasked... how most amps can still operate well with lower gauge wire but how important proper gauge wire IS in an install [*EDIT: Then at what gauge, differs of course, are you really past even the point of diminishing returns... I guess the point of diminishing wallet. That's like overkill use of sound (and also vibration) deadening.] This went from a bust to a good value... let Justin (DIY) know :) He does those "Deal or No Deal" surveys now. Kudos on the integrity to re-do the video :D

@tl1024

3 күн бұрын

Lol, my SIL had a metro & we also called it "the mouse". Should have had 3 stripes down the hood. "Dang ol' point & click-click-click-click-click-click-click"

To be fair, I probably would have done the same thing. The text 'POWER' next to the ground terminal and +12v at the end? Big D has wired hundreds of amps...

Simple mistake brother. Love getting to see the updated video. I purchased the 1200.1 ocean audio after your review of it and have yet to install it in my nephews car and was a little worried after seeing the review you first made of this model of my purchase. Feeling relieved after seeing the updated review. Love your videos and knowledge you share.

Great follow up, sir! Do enjoy watching your videos!❤

All good..stuff happens...thank you for standing on it...thank you for the two videos. Good stuff

Good job, Dereck. Ocean Audio will be proud and sell many of these amps now. 👍

@wal

3 күн бұрын

In today's economy, $60 is not much more than a meal out so having a decent 4ch amp for this price should result in a lot of sales I'd think

Good thing I was getting ready for work. When the last video was up. Didn't really pay attention to the test.

I have seen cars that I have installed have power remote for when you turn the ignition half way.for old school cars.

Yeah, well, I once reversed the 1/0 leads hooking up a 2k mono block. It woke me up. 😅

Surprised things work better when wired correctly 😮 lol

@wal

4 күн бұрын

You ain’t lied

@joeyholthusen6495

4 күн бұрын

@@wal it happens, I've done it before myself.

Thanks for the update

Lol I have done this not too long ago. The amp kept turning on and off, and then a fuse blew in the fusebox. It happens to everybody. For 65 bucks I'd say it is worth a shot.

Indeed we all make mistakes Big D. I punctured the surround on one of my subs with a drill on accident. I felt like the big dummy on that day 😆😆

@wal

3 күн бұрын

We all have done this!! Now I use one of those sleeved attachments for my drill

@bojow8102

3 күн бұрын

@@wal I've got to get myself one 👍 I used gorilla tape on both sides of the hole and it's held up for close to a year now with me banging on it daily.

Thanks for the update video, Ocean Audio 2 for 2 on legit RMS ratings.

The sub quit popping in 3 channel 😂😂👍 All good Big D.

@wal

4 күн бұрын

Yeah still not a sub amp but in a pinch could power one in 3ch mode for a really inexpensive setup

@z1berzerker

4 күн бұрын

@@wal maybe a weaker watt sub... que Pyle 🔊 or Boss lol

We all screw up from time to time. Some of just don't put it on KZread to be ridiculed by the perfect people who love to talk down to others. Keep on keepin on.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

Yessir, it's one thing to make a mistake and you and your friend see it, but 10,000 people seeing it is a whole new level. I do my best to be careful, but this one slipped through the cracks for sure. Thanks for taking it easy on me

I can say this amp is better than more expensive amplifiers i had in the past.

It sounds good to me it was pretty clear and worked well with the sub thing is there's some air hissing around the sub tho but other than that it's I'm impressed and mistake happened no worries big homie you're good

the world is a big place, lots of stores, the product could be on a shelf somewhere also, my amps have the remote lead as a smaller screw set than the power/ground

I may have to pick a pair of those up. Been thinking of a pair of dedicated midbass, along with my doors and dash and been thing of some cheap power for 8 drivers up front. Don't sweat the wire, we all have those moments.

@wal

4 күн бұрын

I don’t know the reliability/longevity but for $65, it’s way better than you’d think for the $$

I have the 1200.1 pushing a 1999 sound stream spl170 15 and it knocks unfortunately the box is just as old and blowing apart but will be changing it to a deaf bonce machete mf 12” which will be in today!!! I got the amp hours after you posted the video and very impressed with the amp!!!

@wal

4 күн бұрын

Sweet!

What is the fuse rating on that remote wire xD - looks like a great deal for the aspiring audio enthusiast!

You know it happens to the best of us, Big D. We are only human and are entitled to our mistakes as only we don't burn nothing up, that is lol.

Not bad. I kind of want to do a side byside with my oooldschool alpine 3522 and 3522s

Will you do a video on the down4sound mm3000, thanks your videos are great.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

upcoming!

Nice! Would be a good lil amp for some front and rear door coaxials or just some front mid and highs then add a 2nd and bridge it for 2 regular subs. 😎👍👍

Good day Williston love the video I'm going to get one of the amp for my sound system at home to play the top end speakers, I want you to do a dyno test on this amp Crunch Ground Pounder GP-1500.2 1500 Watt 2 Channel thinking to get one for my 1000watt 12" sub : nitro BMW-3712 but I want to know if it will do the rated power it claims to do.

@wal

2 күн бұрын

I don’t think it will as those are rated for max power, whatever they decide that is 🤦‍♂️

Was looking for that low ohm test!

@wal

3 күн бұрын

I tried 2 ohms bridged and amp didn't like it. Others pointed out this is a Class D chip amp and I don't think the chip likes 1 ohm loads (2 ohms bridged = 1 ohm per channel)

I was thinking , something wasn't right if sound quality was off. Thanks for the correction update. I'm glad you gave us the update. All of us humans make a mistake every now and then. Thanks GOD bless 73 Earnest k5ewm.

Would be a great option for a cooler boom box

That distortion light was dancing to the beat. Lol

@wal

2 күн бұрын

🤣

Respect sir

Thanks Big D for being forthright and showing that we all make mistakes!! This brings up an interesting test though. I know your remote lead is only 20 gauge and it is really short, but what would it have done with a 20’ power wire that is too small? Could you maybe do a video showing the power differences with wire that is too small? I know you had/have a D4S JP8. Maybe do a dyno with it with 20’ of 12 gauge power and ground, then another with 8 gauge, and of course then the 4 gauge. That way people can see the importance of the proper sized power wire. Just a thought. Love what you are doing Dereck and love the honesty. We all make mistakes. Keep it up brother!

@wal

3 күн бұрын

This is an excellent opportunity to show difference in power/ground size and CCA vs OFC as well. Future video for sure!

@91CavGT5

3 күн бұрын

@@wal including CCA vs OFC would be an awesome addition!!!! You the man!!!! 👍

Good job bud.

@5:55 have you tried combining the 2 channel to mono and see if it will run on the dyno and possible double the output? Amp is cheap enough it might be worth it. I have done this in the 90's with no consequences. It had either worked or not, but I always wondered if it did anything when it worked.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

Amp did not like 2 ohms bridged

@BentonL

3 күн бұрын

@@wal back in the 90s I don't think most of us we're able to run anything under 2 ohm. I remember having a four channel Jensen 500 watt amp. I stacked all the channels together and ran a set of kicker comp 12. But I recall not being able to tell the difference. I'm assuming those two speakers combined were 2 ohms but I was only 17 then. I really didn't have a clue back then. But I thought I did

@BentonL

3 күн бұрын

Anyways you should probably experiment with that if you're bored on some other apps that are four channel and see what happens if you don't care about blowing them up. I didn't have any test equipment to tell if I did anything or not. The worst consequence I ever got was a blown fuse. That don't mean words can happen.

I guess this is a lesson to all those guys that wanna run 2 runs of 1/0 power and ground to their Kicker CC600.1... A 20ga power cable held up to over 40 amps of current draw, although voltage drop was probably really high. I'm surprised the amp survived dyno runs and didn't pop.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

Future video showing different gauge wire during tests for sure

Redemption!!🎉

Efficiency Is Kinda Depressing But It Could Be Enough For Most These Kids Daily Drivers And Not Break The Budget

If I tried to explain to you how I wired my first car stereo as 16 year old kid in 1976, you wouldn't worry too much about about your little boo-boo! I still laugh about it 48 years later! Let's just say I somehow managed to hot-wire my car without trying...or even knowing how! lol 😋

This is a win. 2 videos in 2 days, and a shit amp got to a good amp 😂👍 Keeep em coming! 🤝 Btw i see aliexpress have some nice looking amps, will there come videos from they too? 😍

@wal

3 күн бұрын

I have a TEMU amp upcoming, will be a few weeeks

Thanks.

I love a good redemption arc

I know bridged it claimed it was only stable at 4ohm. But was 2 ohm tried possibly? curious if it would do it!

@wal

4 күн бұрын

It did not like 2 ohms bridged and I wouldn’t use it like that. I know it’s a bummer and would make this cheap amp over the top

@volvo09

4 күн бұрын

​@@wal I wonder if it would do it with real speakers? The Dyno is so much tougher than real world. I'm always amazed at how little power some of these massive woofers pull when they flex to music and you have the amm-1 hooked up, and how much higher theo hm load tends to be.

Hey can you do a review of the Elektra a.1100.5 5 channel amplifier?

@wal

3 күн бұрын

thanks for the suggestion!

@DRE-zn7kj

3 күн бұрын

@@wal it’s supposed to be a really good budget amp from Canada and it’s also a bit underrated from what the website says but I’m still not so sure of it

Could this be an argument for those amps with huge gauge terminals for the remote wire? I wonder does it add any power on the dyno lol.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

Future video showing wire size vs power output in the works

What did you get when you had it wired with the remote

@wal

3 күн бұрын

original video is linked in the video description box

Now I wanna go back and watch the original one

@wal

2 күн бұрын

It’s linked in the video description

you need to get deaz nutz to explain the wiring to you. 😃

I'm just impressed I didn't bake it the first time

@wal

2 күн бұрын

Me too honestly. This mistake won’t happen again

please Big D, more cheap 4 ch review.. on a search for one

@spl152db

4 күн бұрын

his pinned comment literally has options.

@anya3027

4 күн бұрын

@@spl152db i am the big dummy 🤣🤦 edit: biggest:)

I would also say that for this sort of an amplifier, it is clear it has very little headroom past 1%. The uneven channels I think just come down to the individual components having a very wide variability. Not shocking given the price point. 90 watts or so at 2 ohms is more than enough power for day to day commuter car life, and at the price, who could refuse it? Great deal, and even if it doesn't last, just buy two and keep the second one as a replacement.

@carlrogers3505

4 күн бұрын

This would be better for a pair of 120 watt rms speakers and the amp just ran as a 2 channel. Get a second for the back or the monoblock for a sub.

Honestly, having the 12v and the remote swapped probably didn't make much difference unless it was like 30 feet long. Gauge doesn't mean a whole lot; it's total resistance. A 20 foot 4 gauge wire will have about the same resistance as a 6 inch 20 gauge wire. How long was your 20 gauge wire?

@wal

3 күн бұрын

it's about 18in. The 4GA is 4ft

I noticed the same error, too. I thought you must've caught it before testing, though. Oops, haha.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

It's ultra rare the remote terminal is the same size as power/ground and also the words POWER REM instead of just REM or REMOTE would've helped me. Old men need glasses

If this had a 4 chan dsp it would be a game changer 😮 scary

Ill stick to my MTX Thunder Elite amps.

i assume D4S has not sent you a JP1.2z3 to dyno yet because you doing sea sound amp test. i'm guessing the JP1.2z3 is well over 2k at 1 ohm

@wal

11 сағат бұрын

I have several D4S amps forthcoming and the 1.2z3 is one of them. It will be several weeks before the video is ready

Where can I find replacement screws for screw down terminals

@wal

3 күн бұрын

Hardware store

@tcorley7477

3 күн бұрын

@wal tried a couple nothing seems to thread right

Any chance of testing the 170.1 monoblock ?

@wal

11 сағат бұрын

I bought it back after I did the 1200.1 and then realized it was Class AB and weak sauce. It's not a small amp like I thought it was and the same design as the Boss 1100, but rated appropriately. It wasn't interesting enough to make a video

👍👍

Im glad that once i seen the guts intuitively i knew something wasnt right, then almost proceeded to jump to get one anyway...strange 😮

I'd like you to check out an up and coming company called slapz audio! They have some full bridge amps and fairly budget friendly subs like their 3500rms 18s for $475.

@wal

2 күн бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion 👌

try 2 ohm bridge. it can make 350w

2nd time is a charm . It's a better deal now and probably dead even vs the 90 Metro .

Player's Fu*k up too! 😄

Looks like the amp is driving a Class D Chip on the bottom side of the PCB.

@wal

3 күн бұрын

I think so, yes

@pectic2832

3 күн бұрын

@@wal i hope you make a teardown. I want to know which chip is driving it all.

dont mind watching again!

Whoopsie!

No different than wiring a sub backwards....and we all did that .

@wal

4 күн бұрын

Out of the nearly 1000 amps I’ve tested and demo’d over the years I can count on my hand how many have same size terminals for power and remote and most were from the mid 90s and Flea Market specials

20 Ga load test

I mean 60 bucks it gives what it says honestly, it's not bad.

This is not a Mickie mouse program !

With that name you would figure it would be marine grade...

lol tried to blame it on the amp tho 12+ is clearly printed

Funny it could pull that much from a 20 gauge wire

THIS IS NOT A MICKEY MOUSE PROGRAM !

Big Buffoon Wiz

I made a mistake but "It's Ocean Audios fault" lol.

@wal

4 күн бұрын

POWER REM and same size terminal? Yeah I goofed but they had me at POWER

@chickenpimp5190

4 күн бұрын

@@wal Right? No disrespect intended. I've done the same thing. I learned a long time ago to double and triple check everything before I turn power on.

@Chris-B-Bassin

4 күн бұрын

I'm with Big D on this... why does it say "power" above the remote wire that is very unusual

@alexkay1874

4 күн бұрын

POWER is over the Power connections Just like SPEAKER is over the Speaker connections

@Chris-B-Bassin

4 күн бұрын

@alexkay1874 but in this case "power" is over the REMOTE connection not power