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@graeme5060

3 жыл бұрын

Netflix have been blocking 99% of VPN connections for a long time. Is PIA the exception or just a case of say anything for a buck?

@drawillusion

3 жыл бұрын

What if you install Hackintosh inside this insane PC, and compare it with the Mac?

@snazzy

3 жыл бұрын

@@graeme5060 It really depends on country. I find that PIA cycles through IPs faster than other VPNs and so it does a pretty dang good job at flying under Netflix's VPN-detection stuff, but your results may vary.

@ehsan_ul_haq

3 жыл бұрын

Is MAC better at “user privacy” than a PC or is it just “marketing”?

@eddywm9651

3 жыл бұрын

On the memory management discussed here 11:39 It's a little bit more complex, Android apps are definitely written in JVM compatible bytes code ( Java/Kotlin targets), but when installed the code is transformed to device native code either ARM-V7/V8, etc, .... and this is true since Android 4.4 Kitkat The old Android architecture used Dalvik which was a little bit similar to what is explained in the video but now, with changes introduced in ART ( Android Runtime ), it's a mix of JIT and AOT. IMHO the feeling of fluidity of apps these days depend highly on how optimized they were made, independent of the OS they are running on. I think Apple does a good job of optimizing aggressively their native apps and since they control both the hardware and software, there's a lot more that goes on in internal direct machine code APIs that are not exposed to app developers ( My guess )

I don't know what I gain from watching this. My card was rejected at McDonald's today

@danteyoutu

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I hope you wrote this comment on WiFi, or you would run out of data plan

@Pretzels722

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@sandy737

3 жыл бұрын

Skip 10,000 dollar menu items at Mcdonalds and you'll be able to afford these items just fine.

@WarriorsPhoto

3 жыл бұрын

danteyoutu LMAO 🤣

@smileychess

3 жыл бұрын

Dude I keep telling you, skip the apple pie! It'll save you $0.99

Mac users when you ask their pc specs: it seems to be running on some form of electricity.

@gxlilea.d1634

3 жыл бұрын

can you explain what specs are lol

@gravytrainwithbiscuitwheels

3 жыл бұрын

I drive a car nearly every day but I can't tell you how many cylinders are in it, what type of air conditioning unit it has, or what its high speed is. Whenever someone calls me out on this, I ask them what chipset their phone is, but I don't do it as an insult, it's a simile. We all use technology every day that we don't know how it works. It's OK.

@lelouchlamperouge8286

3 жыл бұрын

​@@gravytrainwithbiscuitwheels You should know how many cylinders your car engine has just as much as you should know what the specs of your computer are. A phone's specs don't matter to most people any further than how much storage is in it. When it comes to computers, you want something fast/reliable, you should know the specs. When it comes to cars, you should know what engine your getting for god's sake. Are you getting some trash 4 cylinder engine? Maybe a 4 cylinder with turbo boost technology? Or are you spending extra cash on a 6 cylinder? Or maybe you have no idea and overpaid for a car that has trash specs but you paid without knowing.

@lelouchlamperouge8286

3 жыл бұрын

​@@pappbenedek8422 That's not my opinion. If you want to make informed decisions about what you're buying, it is simply a requirement. If you don't know something as basic as how many cylinders your car's engine has, how do you know if you're paying a good price or not? Yes, I don't really care about my phone's hardware - and I'm sure someone out there does. Different uses. A car is not such a minor purchase that you can say, "Well, I don't care what the car is rocking" as you get ripped off thousands of dollars. And obviously some people will look at specs for tablets and such because they need the power. If you're buying a computer, you should know the specs for the same reason you should know the specs of a car - to make informed decisions about how much you're going to be spending for what you'll be receiving. I don't understand why you're arguing about this. Would you rather blindly choose between computer A and B, or know which one actually makes more sense to buy? How about you take the sales representatives word for it that the extra $1000 for computer B is *definitely* gonna give you what you need :)

@riley_oneill

3 жыл бұрын

@@lelouchlamperouge8286 Eh, it would be more like comparing a Honda Civic and Toyota Carolla based on gear ratios of the transmission, engine compression, and a bunch of other specs which have no bearing if one car is better at taking you to work every day. In the end its going to be rather subjective as to what car you want to live with. I have been around these Mac vs PC arguments for over 20 years now and its all pointless, your computer's only purpose is to work for you. In the video he mentions that his editor prefers working on PC, so that is what he uses, but others prefer working on Mac. The annual labor cost of a full time editor is going to be far more expensive than either computer and whatever makes that editor work 'best' is going to be the way to go. If you already have a preferred eco system you really need a good reason to switch from one to the other. The Mac vs PC arguments are stupid because they are never a compelling reason for users to switch. For a production house of pretty much any kind, the computer hardware will be a rather minor expense compared to other expenses. $10,000 for a computer is a lot, but so is $200,000 for a camera rig. There are productions that have a six figure per day expense, the computer becomes irrelevant.

11000$ mac: best video editing tool 10500$ pc : best for everything

@ChazDirects2

3 жыл бұрын

He tested that particular pro app, there's a bunch of other pro apps he could have used as well but its an inconvenience to have to purchase all apple apps and their PC equivalent and test them.

@justxylo4135

3 жыл бұрын

@Ankit Debbarma iOS perform well because they have all apps optimized, a mac it's not a gaming pc... you shouldn't even be comparing them

@thelogicalman

3 жыл бұрын

@Ankit Debbarma Mac OS* my dearest friend. On the other hand iOS destroys android :)

@thelogicalman

3 жыл бұрын

@@justxylo4135 so true

@justxylo4135

3 жыл бұрын

@Ankit Debbarma tbh iOS loses on paper but it's still a great pc, it doesn't need a lot of ram or memory to perform well because of their optimized app. The mac probably can be use as a gaming pc but it's not a gaming pc. It's like it's like saying a tablet can do a laptop work but it's not a laptop

"it only has 8gb of gddr5 memory" me, with a 2gb ddr3 gt640 card: *what a shame*

@mineland8220

2 жыл бұрын

Me wth intel integrated graphics with 128mb: Pathetic

@toaster_rtx1829

2 жыл бұрын

how about some soy food

@HHHomeless

2 жыл бұрын

3090 with 24gb ddr6x. My pc is an absolute monster and it cost me about 2500 pound to build it. 3tb (1tb and 2 tb) nvme. 4tb ssd 8tb hdd. 16gb 3200 ram. My only downside is I have the i9 9900k and not a radeon cpu but that being said when your playing 4k 120 ish hz the cpu doesn't need to work as hard as the gpu

@PhobosTK

2 жыл бұрын

@@HHHomeless mine is more of a budget build made primarily for trying out the zen cpus that were sorta new when I started building my pc. Got myself a Ryzen 5 2600, 32gb of 3200 ram, 5tb in hdds, 1.5tb of ssd storage, a 10G ethernet card and a wifi6 card. Last week I upgraded the gpu to a r9 280X with a whopping 3gb of ram (ain't much, but at least it's not a 640 or a 710/730).

@swaggybanana6909

2 жыл бұрын

Well what should I say

"Why do you buy 2000$ mac?" "You know, optimized programs!" "Ah, you do video editing?" "No no! I'm reading e-mails at a coffee shop!"

@kneticnrg

3 жыл бұрын

Cant argue with the sleek and clean UI/UX though.

@warlorddk2070

3 жыл бұрын

@@kneticnrg No UI is worth the Apple pricing standard 🤣

@oneminutefixed5003

3 жыл бұрын

True hipsters use a mac analogue type writer

@kneticnrg

3 жыл бұрын

@@warlorddk2070 Really depends on how much you make I feel, just like how a $1500 t shirt seems insensible for me but millionaires could buy it without breaking a sweat.

@kalebakeitshokile1366

3 жыл бұрын

While I’m still using my MacBook Air 2014 today. I do think for some people, they buy a Mac for the aesthetic. It’s this case with a lot of apple products.

11K Mac: Travel to Mars by shuttle 11K PC: Summon an exogalactic wormhole and go to other star systems.

@Cheezymuffin.

3 жыл бұрын

11K pc made out of second hand parts, that you got way cheaper than from a store: "TROUGH THE WARP BROTHERS, FOR THE EMPEROR"

@thomasneal9291

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cheezymuffin. uh, that was the retail price the company he borrowed it from was selling it at. what is with you people? did you not even watch the video? Hell, they even added lots of unnecessary bling JUST to bring the price close the Apple.

@tbone8358

3 жыл бұрын

micheal hoffstater this video is basically comparing 2019 CPU to 2020 CPU which is not fair at all. Of course the 2020 Windows will outperform a 2019 Apple. Wait until apple releases a Mac Pro with an Apple SoC CPU or an AMD cpu in order to do a fair comparison

@Cheezymuffin.

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasneal9291 a lot of second had can go for lower than that. Like someone bought a 600 GPU and sells it after 2 years for 300 to 400 bucks.

@bbabnikk

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasneal9291 He was following the theme of the comment he was repying to implying that you could get even more value by purchasing the parts used. not implying anything about the pc in the video.

PC: I'm 1000% faster and 1000% cheaper... Apple: We have apps!

@romanplays1

3 жыл бұрын

apple stans cling to anything to make their purchase seem wise.

@hpvrstuff3659

3 жыл бұрын

Apple: we can do homework kinda good

@uncledrew4046

3 жыл бұрын

Can the pc shred cheese tho

@mrmsarmo-zw3qs

3 жыл бұрын

@@uncledrew4046 yes

@nick230699

3 жыл бұрын

Anddd for about half the programs that exist you'll need a virtual windows driver as we don't support anything else ( I use solid works and AutoCAD)

You know what, u killed it bro. You maintained such high level of unbiased attitude towards everything except pure raw knowledge. I rarely comment but after watching your full vdo specially the last 5 mins you just blew my mind on such great hardware to hardware then hardware + software combo comparison stuff.

$11,000 Mac: Run Final Cut Pro fine. $11,000 PC: Cut through the fabric of space-time.

@peluchefps

3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@wassimmefteh401

3 жыл бұрын

Best comment ever LMAAOOO

@TheManInCommand

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS!

@Alex-jx5yx

3 жыл бұрын

@TrashPanda Raccoon what?

@TABSF1

3 жыл бұрын

Cut through the infinity fabric of space-time?

Next step is comparing $11K Mac Pro to $11K Hackintosh.

@MaxxPlay99

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly OSX doesn't really support threadripper, so you are limited to expensive Intel again. And no Quadro Card from Nvidia, too.

@JR-mk6ow

3 жыл бұрын

Or just use KVM. Its only like 3-8% slower than run natively

@rockjano

3 жыл бұрын

@@MaxxPlay99 That is very true only Intel and AMD graphics cards...BUT the price difference is still HUGE!!! (and the upgradeability...)

@joshuatatro4503

3 жыл бұрын

@@MaxxPlay99 Luckily there's such a thing as the Ryzen 9 3950X. Not nearly as expensive, granted, but it's 16 cores/32 threads vs. the same in the 11K Mac Pro, so still a nice comparison. Likewise, the Radeon VII is kind of a beast in DaVinci Resolve (even if it's underwhelming for other uses), so no need to rely on Quadro.

@phoenixgtr

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshuatatro4503 He already did that.

I'm still curious about what this guy was "shocked" by...

@Luis-gz3oo

2 жыл бұрын

Probably about why people still bought the mac

@sugoruyo

2 жыл бұрын

The difference that optimising the hardware + software combo to work well together made. I.e. the lower specced Mac competing with the more powerful PC because the software was using it more efficiently. OR the large amount of performance potential going unused on that beast of a PC by software that's not so great.

@indub1851

2 жыл бұрын

@@sugoruyo did u watch the video….

@kceresmatias

2 жыл бұрын

@@sugoruyo what?

I can’t believe how unbiased and truly comparable you went out of your way to make this. What an excellent video!

Great video and wow is that Maingear PC impressive.

@jeshuransamuel4219

3 жыл бұрын

Big fan

@Garrettdx1988

3 жыл бұрын

Right! It’s so pretty

@louiefriesen

3 жыл бұрын

Now do you want your Vega II back?

@Custmzir

3 жыл бұрын

I love both of your videos 😀

@Apipoulai

3 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a video where actual commercial workstations like Dell or HP are compared to a Mac Pro. I’d expect the same low ROI on them too.

$11,000 Mac: Run Final Cut Pro fine. $11,000 PC: Cuts through 5 dimensions of the universe the 16th time using MS Paint....and also 3 tabs of chrome.

@lilmad3533

3 жыл бұрын

I think you mean 2 tabs. You Will need 300tb ram for 3 tabs

@michaelgabriel1069

3 жыл бұрын

@Doge That was obviously a staged job, everyone knows Chrome is the black hole of RAM. Leading experts have long speculated when we can hope to open a fourth tab in chrome, but even the greatest of supercomputers couldn't calculate the amount of RAM that would be demanded. Some have hypothesized that the opening of a fourth tab would imbue the user with so much productivity, that they would immediately ascend to a new plane of existence.

@jhontaaan

3 жыл бұрын

Come on, lets be realistic: two tabs on Chrome.

@johnt3606

3 жыл бұрын

what's so special about tabs I can open 10 normally

@samuelerrington754

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelgabriel1069 Umm... I'm running 32GB DDR4 3600 and a Samsung EVO M.2 and I run smoothly with 7 tabs frequently. And at least one of those tabs is KZread streaming. Oh, and it's all on Chrome. Now Edge, on the other hand, is trash.

I have apple and I gotta admit there a scam never buying apple products again

@CreeperPookie

3 жыл бұрын

they're*

@kohtaradash1553

3 жыл бұрын

ok boomer

@mikablep

3 жыл бұрын

@@kohtaradash1553 whoa what a roast! be can never truly recover from this truly amazing use of your words! /s

@hpvrstuff3659

3 жыл бұрын

@@kohtaradash1553 this is a 9 year old in his natural habitat calling anyone they can see post pubesant 'boomer' for no fucking reason

@kohtaradash1553

3 жыл бұрын

do i care?

Great video! It was very interesting content, and not seen too much for the large budget it requires. Thumbs up!

Perhaps "Pro" is really an initialism: Product Ridiculously Overpriced.

@leandros.5342

3 жыл бұрын

I'd pictured Dr. Evil saying this doing the "quote" thing tho

@elecman748

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@derskeal4240

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment.

@icehot900

3 жыл бұрын

Saving this

@arioamin

3 жыл бұрын

Acronym* Initialisms are are pronounced one letter at a time. Acronyms are pronounced as it was a word

$1000 for a 64GB memory upgrade lol. comedy!

@busywl69

3 жыл бұрын

@@supernovahm1178 you chose poorly lol.

@mi3night339

3 жыл бұрын

@@supernovahm1178 did you get ddr4 5000mhz cl14 ram??? if so understandable issue have a nice day

@yoshatabi

3 жыл бұрын

@@supernovahm1178 Lmao what!? Please tell me you didn't. That's extremely overpriced.

@0xABADCAFE

3 жыл бұрын

Every Apple memory stick has been lovingly caressed my Tim Cook and spent 8 hours in the candlelit shrine to Steve. You can't put a price on that.

@nin1ten1do

3 жыл бұрын

i play, recr and edit at 8GB ra\m and i am perfectly fine with it.. he is dumb.. stupidmac-pro dumbas..

Great, informative, easy-to-follow and generally well-presented. I just sub'd!

I really liked the mac vs pc comparison with each using its own stuff -- to me that really puts everything into a better perspective -- thanks

"Let's talk RAM," I told my wife. She wasn't in the mood.

@snazzy

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@gilbertplays

3 жыл бұрын

Your wife must be a Rem fan.

@contractualnews9488

3 жыл бұрын

@@gilbertplays or a jojo fan

@carlbot6227

3 жыл бұрын

@@gilbertplays his wife has bad taste

@bigdisme5622

3 жыл бұрын

Divorce

This was a great review, succinct and to the point. Thanks.

Use Linux Ubuntu 20 and do Blender test again.

@freasfuck

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

@captain_crunk

3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious about the optimizations in linux these days. I used to run a dual boot windows/ubuntu system many years ago and back then the linux driver support was not the best. I always felt like I was leaving a lot of performance on the table in ubuntu. I'm assuming driver support is much better these days...is that actually the case though?

@captain_crunk

3 жыл бұрын

@@enzolaffitte04 I'm glad to hear that - makes me want to check it out myself. Thanks for the reply!

@mikablep

3 жыл бұрын

enjoy linux

@cessposter

3 жыл бұрын

@@enzolaffitte04 you mean "it is less heavy on the cpu" it's horribly optimized

Sooo, the moral is: either you pay a shit ton of money to have a very specific application run perfectly, possibly faster or you pay a similar shit ton of money to have a shit ton of programs run perfectly, likely faster.

@valputnal9156

3 жыл бұрын

apple b

@armeli

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. Running a business that might be a question you have to ask yourself and then you make the decision that is the most cost efficient. The answer probably depends on many variables.

@ILKOSTFU

3 жыл бұрын

yep

@glockmat

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah PC wins again, what a surprise

@EdwardHolland707

3 жыл бұрын

@Erwyn Puynen Probably from apple losing horribly in every benchmark except for one where it barely came out ahead against a machine that costs $1000 less ,in an application that probably 0.0000001% of people will use. This video is way too diplomatic about the situation. He probably could have knocked $6,000 off the cost of that build and still beat the Mac in every real world metric.

The last three minutes was an attempt at softening the blow. That grey cheese grater got dunked on.

@EriksWorld14

3 жыл бұрын

lol my thoughts exactly. To say 11 seconds is "outperforming" is a long stretch; within the margin of error I'd say. The cheese grater got Vince Carter'd.

@thelastkimyerim18

3 жыл бұрын

You dont wanna hurt your sponsors too much

@AGMediaNL

3 жыл бұрын

I can personally not afford to pay 10K for a Mac (or PC for that matter), but (because of all the problems I kept having with multiple high-end and optimized PC builds) switched to mac (a second market Mac Pro mid 2010) for my music productions, to test if this would do the trick. I honestly will never go back to PC for my music productions. Never a performance issue, literally never had a crash, didn't had to upgrade anything in years. For anything else I use PC's here. So I totally agree with the final statement of this video. It's what works for you. I couldn't care less if one of my cheaper PC's will utterly outperform my old Mac on so many levels. It's no longer important if I have to pay more for a specific machine, if it means I can work without ANY issues day in day out for years and years. In the end (def if you run a business), you work with hardware that works for you. :) I think that simply is the point many people find hard to understand.

@EriksWorld14

3 жыл бұрын

@@AGMediaNL I think everything you said is a generalization that people make about consistency and optimization not favoring PC's. PC's are a direct reflection of the work you do or don't put in; ie if your PC runs like crap its probably your fault. The reason ppl are adamant about Mac's isn't solely the price discrepancy, it's the fact that Apple seldom makes an effort and expecting a significant jump in quality/performance with relation to their price points is wishful thinking.. I totally understand music production being better for you on macOS - by all means use their products if thats your thing but outside of a few niches their product lineup is a joke. I've spent close to 10k on macs but after building a PC a year 1/2 ago I'll likely never buy another mac again unless they make significant improvements to the Macbook Pro. The complacency of loyal apple users is what allows them to get away with things they shouldn't get away with.

@AGMediaNL

3 жыл бұрын

@@EriksWorld14 Totally agree with you on many points there, don't get me wrong. :) Based on problems others had aswell with their PC's in regards to heavy music productions (and the comments from people who didn't, while using Mac) I simply decided to try it. In the end it turned out to work better for me. :) I paid $1400 for it, so it was also not really that crazy compared to some of my PC's. I don't care much about Apple products in general. For your situation a PC turned out to be a better solution, for my music-situation it turned out to be a Mac. And that was the point of that last statement, which I think is the only thing that actually matters in the end.

Need to pin MKBHD on this. That guy was raving how good this is and what can it do without talking about if it's worth the value or not .

@hillbillysamurai

3 жыл бұрын

Screw that guy, he's fake as hell

@alh06

3 жыл бұрын

@@hillbillysamurai It works for what he needs, I don't see how he's fake.

@rochitgurung9090

3 жыл бұрын

People have different opinions isn’t it I’m sure you like windows

@josephfrechette9916

3 жыл бұрын

If your looking for trendy You cant beat Mac. If you want pure perfomance get a pc.

@bobbytaraantino

2 жыл бұрын

@@hillbillysamurai you're jealous

So for 11000$ Do I want : -a video editing pc -a video editing, gaming and streaming all in one pc ?

@SAFIS448

3 жыл бұрын

Ofc PC =)

A 5% win in a specific scenario isn't exactly convincing over a PC that is literally 4x faster in most other scenarios. Edit: Scratch that. It's a 1% win.

@1idd0kun

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Overall, the PC demolished the Mac Pro.

@shreyasrprakash9921

3 жыл бұрын

That ain't a PC... That's a freaking jet

@Nathan-tg4gu

3 жыл бұрын

Very true, but the question becomes what other scenarios you're thinking of in which those spec differences will produce noticeable results. Certainly not standard web browsing and productivity. If you're going to use the Mac Pro JUST for Final Cut Pro and standard tasks, it becomes a good option. And surely the engineering of the casing deserves some weight. It does make things easier. Not saying it's overall a better computer, but there's definitely some market where it's the better choice, even if niche.

@tuzuharurakutu

3 жыл бұрын

Nathan very niche indeed. I personally use macs for 12 years now with xcode, final cut pro and some logic pro which are very popular amongst pros. I recently dumped most adobe products in favor of affinity and it makes a world of difference even on 4-5year old hardware. So I would say software optimization is what makes a system work, not really the specs. I might be biased but the results are what's important.

@scstraus

3 жыл бұрын

I think this was a very fair way of comparing. He's exactly right, it depends on what you use it for. I personally use PC's for office work and Macs for media and unix/programming work because when I try to use the other one for that task I just don't get as much done. Use the tool that's right for the job or that you get the most done with. For people who make their living working a certain way, the price difference is easily justifiable if they are more productive.

Hackintosh users: Allows us to introduce ourselves.

@andymiller1597

3 жыл бұрын

macOS Big Sur: Allow us to introduce OURselves

@skellington1990

3 жыл бұрын

ARM: Allow me to introduce myself

@stevanpavic

3 жыл бұрын

Linux users: Hold my beer

@renzoqu

3 жыл бұрын

Hola!

@RomeoMihalcea

3 жыл бұрын

diapers during upgrades - allow us to introduce ourselves

Ngl this video is an absolute ride from start to finish. You've got a 2 product reviews, an upgrade, a comparison, several educational points, a sensible Mac vs PC debate, and at least 3 plot twists, all in one video. Bravo.

@snazzy

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

I like how he talks about a brand deal for 2 minutes, then straight after say. Nice now I have the money to buy a years worth of sallary of beast computers. What a time to be alive! :D

"IM SHOCKED!" 11 minutes later: "did you guys really expect a different outcome"

@synocalpogman9131

3 жыл бұрын

@Smiley Boi its a mac its shit

@bobstevens5202

3 жыл бұрын

@bla bla bla Stop talking like a mighty politician when you're talking about 11000 dollar rip off Macs lol, just sounds like bla bla bla noises coming out from your mouth.

@TheSteveSteele

3 жыл бұрын

Nizar Nizar The codecs and handling thereof in macOS and on Apple hardware vs a PC running Windoze is what the test at the end was all about. The problems with PC aren’t the hardware. It’s that fastfood OS forced on you. Windows is junk and it’s obvious that MS can’t switch to a Linux or UNIX variant kernel fast enough. Unfortunately porting that bloat OS to a decent kernel and getting it out to the public for mass consumption will take forever. It may not even be feasible when you compare time vs benefit. Meanwhile Apple’s eco system runs natively on a multitude of architectures and is built on a modern kernel. macOS running on ARM now outperforms Windows on an x86 platform. That’s what’s happening and it will just get worse as Windows will be forever stuck in the past. Hey, at least you’ve got flashy RGB disco light cases!

@bobstevens5202

3 жыл бұрын

@bla bla bla Look how much you have to write to defend a 11000 waste of money LOL, bla bla bla is all I see. So sad that you pay that much for something that is like 5 times slower for the same price if not cheaper, looks like the price point has gotten to your head!!!

@bobstevens5202

3 жыл бұрын

@bla bla bla Nothing old man, I'm still in school, while you're wasting your life arguing with kids and satisfying my attention seeking about 11000 rip off trashcans hahaha, you're still stuck in the 2000 era when Steve Jobs was still alive

I remember years ago my girlfriend bought a $2500 Mac. I looked at the specs on it and said wow I could build a better computer for $800 or less. I orderd all the parts from NewEgg, put the PC together and it blew her Mac out of the water for $780. 3 years later she gave her Mac away because it was so slow and she still uses that PC I built for $780 to this day. Some people just like the Apple OS interface but you're paying insane prices for that.

@dittaturademocratica777

3 жыл бұрын

yea mechanical disks

@atimaxavitna8565

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO, I had about 10 or so PCs over about 20+ years and NOT a single one lasted more than 2 or 3 years MAXIMUM, and had CONSTANT problems (screen freezing, slow & buggy, tons of error messages, etc.) from day 1 on Meanwhile I got the MacBook Pro I am typing this on in December 2013 for about $1,000 (a mid-2012 with i5 processor, 4GB RAM [that I've since upgraded to the 16GB maximum] and a 500 GB hard drive [that I'm planning to upgrade to an SSD if/when this COVID-19 pandemic ever ends] and MacOS Catalina) and almost 7 years later it is still going strong, with barely any problems! I mean yes there is some issues with the keyboard that are totally my own fault (I was trying to clean some dust/lint under the keys, and did something [I'm not sure exactly what] such that the number 1 key doesn't work or keeps getting pressed when its not touched & also a couple other keys need the caps replaced -- but these issues was easily solved by substituting a wireless Bluetooth keyboard instead) and also, about 1/2 of the hinge holding the screen attached to the keyboard cracked and broke off (though I don't know when or how) so I usually have to lean the back of the screen up against something (like the arm of the couch) when using it, until I can take it in to get fixed once this COVID situation is over or at least under better control. But other than these 2 issues (the keyboard, and the screen) my 7 year old MacBook Pro is still BLAZING fast compared to even my BEST Windows PC on the FIRST or SECOND day I had it. Mac is like NIGHT and DAY compared to PC and I will NEVER go back to PC, and even if I can't afford a new Mac, I'd rather buy a 2nd-hand used or refurbished Mac than go back to Microsuck Windows buggy virus-ridden crap!

@SirPML

3 жыл бұрын

@@atimaxavitna8565 My PC story is somehow comparable, so I decided to share it with you. In April of 2014 I was buying first PC paid with my own money. It also had i5 processor, but 8 GB of RAM already. I also decided to take SSD instead of HDD (btw. I don't think there was EVER produced any consumer-level HDD, which you could say "is still going strong" in 2020. This tech is just too slow!). For all that I paid equivalent of approx. $600 (checked exchange rate from that time). Since then I added GTX970 and bigger SSD for another $600. Together for about $1,200 over 6 years I have a PC which is still more than enough for work, fun and some simple gaming. I was re-installing Windows only once, while upgrading W7 to W10. It's true though, that macOS has some nice aesthetics and is less likely to be broken by user, which may be important for you, if you were somehow able to break Windows in less that 2 years of usage. Cheers!

@slashd0t1

3 жыл бұрын

@@atimaxavitna8565 You're assuming PC's run only windows. Just switch to Linux and it is far superior to any Mac.

@aditya_gupta

3 жыл бұрын

@@atimaxavitna8565 the pc is not meant for you layman users. Stick to mac

Great audio on this video. Never felt too loud.

Very well put closing statement. At the end of the day it is what YOU feel most comfortable and makes you feel happy. Thank you for that quick explanation on iPhones and Androids, it made a lot of sense.

"It doesn't matter, They're just tools" - as long as you're only doing video editing. For anyone doing 3D content creation and/or games - a PC is a thousand times better, for a million reasons.

@Rolenz

3 жыл бұрын

This is subjective to software being used and some hardware as well. For instance, Wacom tablet support is much, and i mean MUCH better on a mac. They are more responsive, follow your strokes far more smoothly and are there for far better to use than on a pc. This is speaking from years of experience with having a mac at work, and a PC at home. (been using PC´s since swapping my Amiga 4000 for a Pentium 90 box, and using a Mac at work since the PowerPC days, or around ca. 1993) Ever since Microsoft put the ink/tablet pen support into windows natively, using a wacom or any drawing tablet has become a clusterfuck of driver issues, unresponsive detection of pen strokes and a plethora of other issues. Sometimes you get lucky and everything works fine on the PC with a wacom tablet, but most times its constant little issues that drive you insane in the end. Also, a business really does not care if a computer workstation is 4000 or 11000 dollars in the long run. Issues and bad support over time costs far more than that. Apple has been known to be very good in this regard and that is one of the main reasons professionals choose the platform. The same reason large scale businesses buy pre-made HP machines and the like. Custom building each machine in a large office is not cost effective in the long run when you include having to have more tech support staff and work loss if a machine goes bad. I have never understood this bad blood from pc users towards the macs to be honest, since most of the comments come from hobbyists and amateur/low end professionals which will always be looking at bang for the buck on purchase rather than long term. But yes, I do agree that the mac pro base model could have been much better set up when it comes to cpu and gpu specs given the price, but the hassle free, super silent and consistently reliable performance of the machine is a large plus in a work heavy pro environment. Also... no self respecting professional studio will use a hackintosh due to support issues.. That being said.. I am a PC man, which is why I have one at home. But I understand why the mac is as popular as it is.

@ProjektleiterBroteundBroetchen

3 жыл бұрын

@@latinumbavariae damn that sounds like years of frustration

@mejsnarp

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rolenz business really does care if the HW costs 4k or 11k. IT is run on tight budgets in most businesses. And also IT enterprise professionals tend to hate Apple, because it lacks automation capabilities of windows/linux

@meyes1098

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rolenz Wrong. Most professionals use macbooks because their company will provide them. And their company won't just provide them because "they win out on support over time" (that shit doesn't even make much sense lol), it's because Apple does one really smart thing: it makes contracts with a lot of big/med/small sized companies to sell them macbooks with a relatively good discount, and include a few free services with them. The majority of people working on them don't do it because "it's superior" (talking about dev/qa mostly), but because it's provided. Indeed, at my company (more than 1k employees), the majority of them hate their provided macs. Some companies are actually starting to deny the apple contracts nowadays though, because their hardware has way too many issues and breaks way too often, and while the contracts usually offer repair services, the costs pile up way too much. At my workplace mac users constantly have issues with their software, random reboots, the top touch bar thing keeps bugging out and borderline breaking, the touchpad becomes unresponsive, their updates takes ages, they randomly lose their configurations, and lately more often than not the macos upgrades break everything lol. It's so bad that they legit have to replace A LOT of them after even just one year. Meanwhile, us PC guys work more or less the same thing on windows machines that run 24/7 and are having none of the issues the mac crowd is having. And now with WSL2 on win10 the need for the "macos cli" has become a joke lol. You don't need a half and half like macos when you can have the best GUI (windows) and the best CLI (linux) running natively.

@inhex1603

3 жыл бұрын

It’s because there are more games for windows, so more performance possibilities. (Short term)

In EVERY comparison between Macs and PCs, in the end they always say: "But you have to know what's best for you." I'm here for a goddamn decision!

@blinblinthing

3 жыл бұрын

You have the facts, PCs almost ALWAYS give you more compute power for your money which is how you should buy.The only reason you'd deviate from this is if you NEED Apple only software.

@TheRussellStover

3 жыл бұрын

Comes down to : Do you use an apple only application the majority of the time on a PC? Do you need the speed for (insert reason) for that application? If no then get a PC.

@blinblinthing

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRussellStover if you need speed for a multi OS app, the money you saved on a windows machine can be used to upgrade it. So it's pretty much if you need an apple only app.

@noelius4481

3 жыл бұрын

Pc. Game while you render.

@jongamez5163

3 жыл бұрын

The main thing for me is that EVERYTHING is upgradeable on PC!!! While on Mac, just forget it...You can only change the HDD/SSD and RAM (and even these have to be specific in order to work on Apple computers). So the choice is very easy! 🤣 Plus you can get a much better PC for the same price too so why bother with Apple?

Great video! Interesting to see you used Motion vs Ae to show Apple as boss... but did you use GPU CUDA options in Ae on the PC as well?

One of the best Mac vs PC comparisons I've ever seen!

This is a gem. Amazing video with the most professional approach I have seen from any KZreadr.

@snazzy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!!

@adamnordin1

3 жыл бұрын

True that. It’s what I’ve always loved about that snazzy iPhone guy!

@tastymonkey

3 жыл бұрын

The fact that it's not a complete fanboy look into it is what makes it shine.

@WarriorsPhoto

3 жыл бұрын

tastymonkey This is why I like his channel as well. He shows us why a PC or any computer is useful.

@thegreatbeavers

3 жыл бұрын

Apple fans can rejoice. Apple is finally tailoring to their peoples.

Mac Pro Fans: We have our own pride on the price! Me: Hehe, overpriced cheese grater.

@pyupyu2043

3 жыл бұрын

indeed

@DJSinestro

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 yo wtf

@Gcnm05

3 жыл бұрын

AHAHHAHHAHAHHA

@SAFIS448

3 жыл бұрын

LMFAO LOOOL I'm proud to be a Windows user :)

@ItsJustAyo

3 жыл бұрын

why yall fight about pc’s and macs :( they r both good for people who prefer them

This is a perfect comparison between PC and Mac. Thank you

Great as always

This is probably the most compelling argument in favor of the mac pro I've seen so far. Not gonna buy one, mind you, but you made a lot of valid arguments.

@A51UK

3 жыл бұрын

only as he fail to say anything bad about apple, he was too pro-apple, miss out a lot like software that will not work on apple or software that not over-optimized for apple. I would love seen this video done in a more fair way.

@trevorsmith470

3 жыл бұрын

@@A51UK I agree with you, this video is *very* generous in favor of what's essentially an overpriced $3000 workstation but with a cheese grater panel, but my point is that it has actual arguments as supposed to just apple magic.

@zer0legend109

3 жыл бұрын

@@A51UK if he showed u the numbers then it's fair enough, what u conclude is up to u, some people concluded that my 11k spent is worth it, others concluded that pc is still much better cuz even on the optimized software, apple only did marginally better than the pc which is actually much cheaper

@iurigrang

3 жыл бұрын

@@A51UK He failed to say anything bad about apple? Have we watched the same video? "miss out a lot like software that will not work on apple or software that not over-optimized for apple"? so all the graphs where the PC destroyed the mac didn't exist then?

@cpthf3535

3 жыл бұрын

@manditheos mind you, all the rgb stuff and custom watercooling are there because his intent was a $11k pc, not something that went to the same exact things. the fact that he had to spend a whole lotta extra money on rgb and cooling because he capped on the rest of the hardware specwise is even more of a dump on apple

13:18 1,000$ for a 1% improvement? No thank you

@SL4US

3 жыл бұрын

If he were to build that pc spec for spec without the custom watercooling etc itd be way cheaper. Its not even a contest honestly

@Nitedontdie

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's at least $2k in that Custom cooling setup including labor cost to build. The raw cost of the system would likely be in the $7,000 region, so realistically here you're comparing a $7,000 PC to an $11,000 Mac, which shows you gain up to 1% performance in very specific programs.

@hyphendev4133

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nitedontdie Within the 11 grand for the Mac, labor cost is also included. So in that way, its a fair comparison. Still overpriced tho.

@hyphendev4133

3 жыл бұрын

@F a Oh, so 5k parts + 2k cooling/labor?

@Ravenous

3 жыл бұрын

@@hyphendev4133 labor cost isnt included when building a custom pc yourself.

I’ve noticed Adobe is far more stable on pc than it used to be, over the last four years it’s night and day! I enjoy my custom built pc for editing, and it has lots of room for upgrades!

@Aviciiz

Жыл бұрын

It's been better yes but it's still crap compared to other editors. I switched to a M1 Mac and Davinci Resolve and the performance boost is insane.

@kamilm6616

Жыл бұрын

@@Aviciiz how is your heat management. My buddy got an m1 a few months ago and he says it's constantly overheating and has trouble editing raw 4k footage while I have a custom PC and can edit 4k with 20 layers of effects and my computer doesn't even sweat.

@Aviciiz

Жыл бұрын

@@kamilm6616 It’s pretty good, it only heats up a bit when rendering. Idk if your mate used Premiere and what type of raw. I know R3D Raw works better with premiere than other editors

Before watching the video I just clicked because im already in love with that concept of comparing mac to windows for samz price

@tedzards509

2 жыл бұрын

Why windows though?

I enjoyed this video - the summary in particular. Nice job Quinn!

@curtisjudd

3 жыл бұрын

@Crab Cowboy 1 Nothing more to say.

@healthedoc4638

3 жыл бұрын

you are pure cringe please stop 🤢🤮

@severinoden7709

3 жыл бұрын

@@healthedoc4638 yes you are cringe

Basically the only thing I learned from this video is I'm broke...

@Hacimo1

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@Gcnm05

3 жыл бұрын

omg same

Well i had my problems with Support at Apple some years back and from then on i was done with them. I mean it even starts when you get an iPad/iPhone and before you even can install any app you need to give them your Credit Card. Just Why?

A big difference between these systems was the lack of a quadro card and acc memory. Pro means more reliability, and that doesn't mean crashes it means protectection against data flips in large data sets. So acc is a requirement. Ecc is also slower.

This Mac Pro will play my Red Alert Remastered just fine!!

@theonewhomadeyoucry1059

3 жыл бұрын

my imaginary one does 1+1 with no problem

@risingkhero1714

3 жыл бұрын

oi its you again

@jaralara6429

3 жыл бұрын

How do people not get that this is a joke

@Iam.nothing15

3 жыл бұрын

Sanchir Golf can I as k you are you love Mac Pro or pc

@ww7473

3 жыл бұрын

How’re u in every video I watch

OMG imagine using a computer without wheels. This comment was brought to you by the 400$ wheels gang

@bspringer

3 жыл бұрын

The wheel cost 700$. Their price was upped

@milkshakeplease4696

3 жыл бұрын

spending a lot of money on a computer is a worse investment than buying a brand new car

@bibasik7

3 жыл бұрын

@@bspringer They're $400 if you buy them with the Mac Pro, and $700 if you buy them separately.

@bspringer

3 жыл бұрын

@@bibasik7 ah ok

@timo-twitchip3111

3 жыл бұрын

I also want a computer with wheels, Teslas are really good

i think what he forgot to mention when it comes to the software suite, is that if you have compatible hardware (where there is a lot of) you can just run mac os outright.

old fan still love you're videos. Just got the new 2020 macbook air base model for regular use. Keep up the good work man 😁

@gmdrandom6287

2 жыл бұрын

The m1 air is a great device

I feel that the price of a windows PC without liquid cooling, RGB everything etc...should have been posted. Seeing how the Mac pro doesn't have those things. This way when the final cut vs Adobe came up, it's like yeah it did very slightly out-perform, but the PC isn't 11,200 or 10,670 as shown.

@selimfirat

3 жыл бұрын

For those that don't know, that PC has at least a couple grand on cooling/RGB.

@selimfirat

3 жыл бұрын

@Splendid I guess it also depends where you are from. It'd be around 1200usd for me for a custom hard loop with decent parts.

@nemo4evr

3 жыл бұрын

You could probably just also use the 32 core AMD and still beat the Apple like a dead horse.

Snazzy, I keep being pleasantly surprised by your knowledge about software and hardware. Like how useless AVX-512 is (have you seen Linus Torvalds his comment on it?) and why Apple uses 2933 MT/s RAM for a CPU/chipset which is locked at 2666 MT/s. Before I started to watch your channel I had the impression that you were a bit of an Apple fanboy but you are rational about it, you know your stuff and you are honest and straightforward. Cheers.

@snazzy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Peter! I try my best to keep up. 😊

@alolanstarboy

3 жыл бұрын

I've honestly never thought of him as an apple fanboy, he's been that one KZread channel which I can confidently say likes apple but also knows where to point out their flaws. The perfect balance

@peterjansen4826

3 жыл бұрын

@@alolanstarboy I said "a bit of an Apple fanboy", not a big one. ;) It was a very superficial impression. Links to his videos kept popping up, I heard a few things about him on other channels...I subscribed to his channel after I watched a few videos and I also noticed that he has a great sense of humor and he still listens well to his audience which many people stop doing when the channel gets to that size.

@alolanstarboy

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterjansen4826 I never really said anything about how much of an apple fanboy he was. Not really my point

@Femaqui07

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I tought he was a die hard apple fanboy

I dont know a single thing about pcs or what ever u were talking about but man u are a great ytube dis was fenomenale

Me: **cries in broke**

13:20 this just proves that Adobe After Effects is not optimised in the slightest and needs to die

@eno88

3 жыл бұрын

This. People who think AE is still hot shit are probably still into Flash websites.

@robertbodnar810

3 жыл бұрын

eno88 so what's the alternative (to come)?

@eno88

3 жыл бұрын

@@rainzzzzzzzzz again, this.

@wizardsmix7961

3 жыл бұрын

@Gap if youre paying for any of these programs your opinion is invalid lol.

@hakeesh08

3 жыл бұрын

nuke >>>

Mac : Has overpriced mediocre hardware that is made up for by cleverly coded software. PC : Has decently coded software that is made up for by using insane hardware, but can also play really fun games.

@joroshiba

3 жыл бұрын

It's not so much that it's cleverly coded, it's specifically built to run on a specific OS and the very limited amount of hardware that OS supports.

@Mehwhatevr

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm surprised the difference, being as drastic as it was was as close as it was. Seems like you should get a PC if you prefer the PC tools and want to be able to game. Or get a Mac if you don't care for gaming and/or prefer the Mac tools. Neither of which applies to me, but maybe next time I buy a laptop I'll feel less guilty for considering the Macbook Pro. :)

@spencersipes5638

3 жыл бұрын

@@joroshiba That's pretty much what I meant by cleverly coded. It's essentially just coding specifically for a certain environment. Which I see as clever.

@pumasheen

3 жыл бұрын

I built my own PCs and PCs for friends and family until about 15 years ago when I switched over to Mac and I've never regretted it. I love my Macs. Recently, I've gotten into creating 3D art with Blender on my Mac Mini and decided I wanted something that renders faster. I looked at the possibility of getting a Mac Pro, but I don't want to spend at least $6,000 for it. So, I decided to go with building myself a PC again for the first time in 15 years. I built one with an AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, 32 GB of RAM, and an Nvidia RTX 2060 Super. It all cost me about $1500. It's crazy to see that the Blender BMW demo file renders in 125 seconds on the $11,000 Mac Pro at 7:53. My $1500 PC renders it in 32 seconds (granted, the Mac Pro can't take advantage of Blender's Optix). But, even my $1500 PC's Cinebench score beats the $11,000 Mac Pro's Cinebench score and is on par with it on the Geekbench 5 generic multicore score. I'm still a Mac guy, but just nice to know that I definitely made the right decision specifically for running Blender.

@venusalexa7367

3 жыл бұрын

And the software probably will expire in a year in the Mac one.

Some good valued points! At the end of the day.. us what you use with the Windows PC or Mac computer for.. Nice video.. I'm checking out some of the older videos to..

Dad : Why do you need that Ludacris PC ? Me : To learn programming

@xHugoxN7

3 жыл бұрын

xD

Damn, I thought you were comparing a PC to a cheese grater

@soultheory8441

3 жыл бұрын

たほたちTahoTachi I honestly like how the Mac looks lol, I would build a pc with that case

@rachitbhetwal8218

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Nishana99

3 жыл бұрын

apple fan bois can lick everything apple throws at them

@Samuel-oh3hm

3 жыл бұрын

It has better air flow than most pcs lmao

@Nishana99

3 жыл бұрын

@@Samuel-oh3hm bwahahaha thermaltake core p5 that's cute

Apple fans be like: *imma pretend i didnt see anything*

@armeli

3 жыл бұрын

Apple fan here and I saw this video and it was one of the best PC vs mac videos. The bottom line is that if you like a windows pc then use it and if you like a mac then use that. Why would you or anyone care what some random dude in the internet uses for his or her daily work?

@meyr1992

3 жыл бұрын

@@armeli actually no one cares if you use mac but we do care when we see Apple fans say their products are the best and superior to everything when they don’t even know what specs their mac is using or anything about computer hardware

@Justin-yc3eb

3 жыл бұрын

@@meyr1992 I actually see the exact opposite of this lol. The windows fanboys are very very toxic about Apple products. And a lot of them don't even give a good reason why. But hates it just because they don't like the brand for some reason.

@Bobbusinessgaming

3 жыл бұрын

@@Justin-yc3eb they're overpriced as fuck. That's the reason.

@Bobbusinessgaming

3 жыл бұрын

@Erwyn Puynen lmao, the only toxic man is you here. Now go on, make Apple more money.

Nice conciliatory speech by the end, but I hope everyone has come down to the fact that the PC is beating the MAC in almost every way... Nice vid!

@andrejcupac7359

2 жыл бұрын

ok 👁👄👁

How satisfying this video was 👍👍

Hey I made this thumbnail lol. Thanks for the opportunity again. This was fun

@jeshuransamuel4219

3 жыл бұрын

Hey very nice thumbnail The reflection of the light from the pc Falling on his hair very nice

@snazzy

3 жыл бұрын

A great one!!

Im sure if Apple didn't already have Apple Silicon in mind years ago, Ryzen would be looking pretty good to them right about now.

@_nom_

3 жыл бұрын

Not really, they're slowly working towards universal IOS apps.

@Fake_Disciple

3 жыл бұрын

@@_nom_ You just dismissed what he was saying by adding something that Apple decided to talk about after the news broke that they will make their own CPUs, what you are talking about is a byproduct of having Apple Silicon. You just shut someone down instead of adding to his point, let guess the reason, it's coz you're a free thinker

@kirizero

3 жыл бұрын

@@thor.mukbang every teen friend I know cares about performance and # of cores

@hughjass346

3 жыл бұрын

@@thor.mukbang The only apps my friend group cares about are social media apps :/ which is why we use iPhones, but as far as computers we care way more about specs because we basically only game on them apart from doing schoolwork, which obviously still works fine.

@Ender275

3 жыл бұрын

Well said. If it weren’t for the fact that Apple is trying to keep entirely in house, I’m sure Apple would be ditching Intel and switching to Ryzen processors. However, due to thermal constraints I think Apple would have a lot of issues trying to utilize those chips without a louder or larger cooling design. I think Apple silicon is a good idea for their tablets and phones, but I doubt the performance will be matched on the desktop and laptop front to anything that intel and AMD will offer. But I guess we’ll see what the future holds.

Ahhhhhh that was refreshing to hear a completely objective comparison between pc and mac.

One of the most decent, humane, down to earth points on this matter, thanks a lot snazzy, you have my respect man!

Love that Motion is being mentioned more often these days. Fantastic app that doesn’t get enough credit imo. I would love Fcpx and Motion to merge in the next update (kinda like Resolve and Fusion).

@snazzy

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%. FCPX needs more compositor options. It’s awesome that Fusion is inside Resolve.

@InsaneAudioMediaJunk

3 жыл бұрын

As someone who does compositing in Fusion I'm not all that happy about the UI change this integration brought. We now can't really can't customise out layout and constantly hunt functions in menus that used to be in the main UI. Also, the performance overhead of running resolve is staggering with high rez projects, you reach the limits of your hardware way faster, and stability starts to go downhill. So for specialist work, standalone Fusion is still absolutely vital. Although maybe Motion isn't used all that much for specialist work, so that point may be moot.

@Nattodayy

3 жыл бұрын

Julien Rodewald I agree the UI in Fusion could use some work. Creating Fusion titles is kind of a nightmare to me. However, the inspector panel looks incredibly similar to Motion. Regarding speciality work, Motion can handle quiet a bit. Advanced keyframing with expressions (behaviors), 3D text, tracking, simulations, etc. With MotionVFX’s MO2, you can do complex 3D animations at the level of Elements 3D. And a lot this runs smooth on even a 13in MacBook Pro. I’ve been hoping Fcpx would integrate Motion as a workflow extension (kind of like a floating hud). I think this would help get more people into motion graphics and animations.

@TalesOfWar

3 жыл бұрын

I remember the days that Shake ruled the roost for compositing. Then Apple discontinued it and Nuke became its spiritual successor.

@lindsaywebb1904

3 жыл бұрын

TalesOfWar yeah that was strange. After the takeover I kind of expected all that goodness to end up in Motion but alas no.

So you're telling me in the end Apple is an overpriced piece of tech that does less for more money in 99% of usage situations ? *Surprised pikachu face*

@rayson8296

3 жыл бұрын

😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆

@ACharmedEarthling

3 жыл бұрын

And he still finished off by suggesting Apple was at least as good, because of a couple of well optimised applications. What a joker...

@ladder3257

2 жыл бұрын

With apple you need to be wise with how you spend your money. 1000 dollars for 64 Gigs of ram… no! In other words they’re a hit or miss. Go with a thousand dollar m1 mac mini and you’ve got yourself a damn powerhouse

What about running iOS in a VM on the windows machine and then rerunning the benchmark?

Thanks this helped me decide

Extremely good insight on the importance of matching the software to the hardware. Very good video.

"Spread thermal paste in an X application!" "Do a blob application!" "Evenly spread it with a card!" Snazzy at 7:21: Yes.

@gilles111

3 жыл бұрын

As many people say, no matter how, just make sure it is there. But don't do a Verge.

@Dakeyras83

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it matters how The one here was not optimal

@zachbrown7837

3 жыл бұрын

That's an X with dots pattern. Cisco recommends this pattern for use with their Xeon based servers. For the larger CPU's the blob method isn't enough to get coverage.

@tipoomaster

3 жыл бұрын

@@zachbrown7837 It's not the recommended application for Threadripper here though

Great video. It would be even better if you could compare the price of a budget custom build PC that matches an iMac Pro performance. Or perhaps a Mac Mini.

So true - choose the computer that covers your needs depending on what you want to use it for. That said - a unix core, like in macOS and Linux, is never wrong. 😊

@PhobosTK

2 жыл бұрын

If you're talking about the kernel neither of them is Unix. They're both Unix-like.

@rich7447

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhobosTK MacOS is closer since it has its roots (Darwin) in BSD. I prefer System V unix and I believe Oracle is still giving Solaris away for non-commercial use. I still run it on an old E4500.

@PhobosTK

2 жыл бұрын

@@rich7447 That's kinda the point. It's a bit closer, but not quite Unix. Yet the overall package is sorta of a mess. My first pc ran either sunOS 5 or solaris and it was really interesting for what it was (especially when everyone was still using winXP), but I switched to OpenBSD and SuSE as soon as I got a good internet connection. Nowadays I use arch for both my main gear and my server.

@rich7447

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhobosTK I started in Telecom software (C/C++) in the 90s and the three big unix players in the industry at the time were Solaris, AIX and HPUX. I ended up working primarily in Solaris on Sparc platforms which explains the System V preference. At home I only have the one true Unix machine and it rarely gets switched on due to the amount of power it uses and heat it produces. All my x64 servers (NAS and media) run Ubuntu Linux (with x86 machines I went through the normal BSD, Slackware, Redhat and even tried QNX at one point). My only complaint with Ubuntu 18.04 is the frequency of updates.

@rich7447

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhobosTK BTW, if you know anyone in the Mid-Atlantic that wants an E4500 and a couple of FC disk arrays let me know. Free to a good home.

I never regret watching these videos, he always gives both viewpoints of a tech debate. Would definitely like to see a similar video, but comparing the lower end of the Mac/iOS lines (in terms of cost) and comparable PC builds, when using the adjusted benchmarks that consider each OS’s native applications. Better yet - what about comparing things like the (obsoleted) Time Capsule or tvOS, to their respective non-apple competition?

@firstbits650

3 жыл бұрын

If u are talking about entry level, (air) macbooks does not have any area where they excels, and they build quality is kinda low, so unless u are stuck with apple soft, never buy a AIR

Apple == restriction on almost everything, no real repair support, overpriced, etc. That is still true.

@nylotical

3 жыл бұрын

The repair support is real, but it’s gonna cost $15-$170 for 2 years or $0.99-$3.99 every month (depending on product). The support is actually awesome, and most of the time they just recycle and replace your device instead of repairing it when the possibility that the problem can remain is there.

@CommentCritic

3 жыл бұрын

If you like your Windows or Linux machine, fine, go right ahead. But don't talk shit about stuff you have no idea about. This should be biblical.

@hoshimiyaeki

3 жыл бұрын

Their new iPhone 12 breaks itself if you try to repair it

@dontpinme9321

3 жыл бұрын

@Matt g they do

@ethan_t35

3 жыл бұрын

@@hoshimiyaeki what component breaks when you try to replace it

Really great vid

Less than a year later and that $150 RX580 is now $400... The times we live in.

@susandefelice5509

3 жыл бұрын

And its still cheaper than what Apple charges

It's Apple that has to take the heat for the embarrassment of Intel. Bring on Apple Silicon.

@TheGargalon

3 жыл бұрын

Yup it looks like they signed some 20 year deal with intel when they were transitioning to them

@adwaitsharma6915

3 жыл бұрын

Workstation class chips are totally different ballgame, let's wait and see how apple scales up their architecture, it'll be amazing on laptops but for high performance PCs , we'll have to wait and see.

@robertp457

3 жыл бұрын

Intel designed CPU's based on Apple's designs and then Apple had them run at over 90c nearly all the time under most loads. Apple also didn't put the best CPU's in their computers either. Intel deserves some criticism, but not all of them Apple is more to blame than anyone for the Mac Pro's terrible base spec and price.

@robertp457

3 жыл бұрын

@Michael Kevin Millet I wouldn't be comparing a computer that doesn't exist yet with one that does.

@robertp457

3 жыл бұрын

@@adwaitsharma6915 "it'll be amazing on laptops" without any actual hardware or third party benchmarks it's way too early to tell.

My card was accepted at McDonald's today.

@jashmodi

3 жыл бұрын

Alexander Coral hehe. My core2duo finally booted up today

@helengorelik5412

3 жыл бұрын

My a6 6710 played solitaire today

@bruh.j4mes

3 жыл бұрын

i can't read

@Iam-a-live

3 жыл бұрын

I can't write

@kelseyrague3782

3 жыл бұрын

Same

Good teardown

A small correction: Android apps are compiled to machine code whit the JACK compiler. There's no JVM on Android.

Yes, I knew that Apple hardware is junk. But I didn't know it's THAT JUNK.

@zaidalia54

3 жыл бұрын

yeah me too

@Cat4evr

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, but it's OPTIMIZED junk!

@michaelhoffman9573

3 жыл бұрын

Expensive junk lmaoooooo 😂😂😂😂

@BeN-bn5yb

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelhoffman9573 getting the express pass for the scrapyard be like

@jomito8784

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cat4evr hahah good

Forgive me if I'm wrong, or ignorant as I am still relatively new to PC hardware: your benchmarks seem to show the opposite conclusion to what you say at the end of the video. In an ideal situation the Mac is a hair faster than the PC (which is cheaper). In the non-ideal benchmarks, the PC was significantly faster. It would seem that your best value is still the PC at the end of the day, as it is not only cheaper, but is also significantly more powerful in other workloads. I could be missing something, but if someone asked me what to go with: a custom PC or a Mac for no more than 12k I'd have to suggest the pc based on your charts.

@AndrewHadi07

3 жыл бұрын

Bear in mind the cost of the case and watercooling and RGB and the man hour from main gear is definitely not cheap.. cut a few thousand dollars and it will perform the same with a less flashy machine.

@noelius4481

3 жыл бұрын

Plus the option to game while waiting a long render to finish.

@PrismFoxes

3 жыл бұрын

If you like MacOS (and it's programs) more then get a Mac, if you like Windows more or don't care about your OS get a pc. That's what he tried to convey.

@menotu000

3 жыл бұрын

@@PrismFoxes or you could ignore Windows entirely and install Linux... on the PC and really get performance.

@PrismFoxes

3 жыл бұрын

@@menotu000 found the linux user.

I can't wait to buy one of these in 5 years for 1/5th the MSRP. Great looking machines!

Great Video👍

Now this is a nice analysis, loved the summary

This was a really interesting video. As you noted, people don't really buy Macs purely for the raw hardware performance, especially with their higher-end lines which they tend to update less frequently. Simultaneously, they work extremely well with the software that many of their targeted users prefer and so pure benchmarks aren't really an apples-to-apples comparison...no differently than with HPC, it's not just about what hardware you have or synthetic benchmarks, but how efficiently you can utilize it in real-world operations (e.g., LINPACK is not necessarily a reliable predictor of application-specific productivity.) The easy, reliable, and secure integration of their environment is also a strong selling point, as is historically robust software to pair with many prosumer devices. That said, you do pay a price for it, you are often limited in selection, and in many instances you are very limited in upgrade options. And with the exception of the Mac Pro, Apple devices also tend to have really poor repairability, and some of the design choices that have led to poor repairability are very questionable. There are other situations where a Windows workstation is a superior choice in every respect and there are so many great options out there, both custom and preconfigured. At the end of the day, it definitely is about which one is going to make you work most efficiently and bank that money. I do wish macOS and Windows 10 would both slow down a bit in their release cycle. Both Apple and Microsoft move so fast now with OS updates and adding "new features" that it often leads to annoying bugs and glitches that they don't even have time to fix before the next release. We don't need an entirely new OS every couple of months. We do need an OS with robust reliability and I think both have suffered as a result of pushing out so many new features on such a tight schedule.

Would have been nice to factor in the price of the apple optimized software suite vs the PC tools

Then again - Apples exclusive MacOS DAW (Logic) is very poorly optimized when compared to cross-platform counterparts. So it ultimately really comes down to what software you use and personal preference in look & feel.

The real question is: why does Adobe still exist, their software is either infuriatingly slow or infuriatingly incoherent. For example, why can I scale the UI inside illustrator but other apps depend on windows settings, which basically breaks anything. And yeah premiere did become faster but it still is nowhere near to resolve.

@Kyzerii

3 жыл бұрын

because it has better features

@karolpasiut8124

3 жыл бұрын

You forgot that it's also infuriatingly littered with bugs and random crashes.

@sdbegotist

3 жыл бұрын

Because its the industry standard, and when working with a large slew of different employees, and needing them to communicate different projects at any one time, having it all under one umbrella suite of software makes sense, at least when you can convert the cost as a tax deductible

@AlexR2648

3 жыл бұрын

Because so many of their products originated from different companies

@Chechewitza

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexR2648 RIP MACROMEDIA FLASH. You were better then most of us.

11:36 Not really true. The Java bytecode that would normally run on the JVM is compiled to native code when you install an app on Android

@grinsystem

3 жыл бұрын

also not to mention there a lot of apps out there written in cross platform stuff like react native, xamerin, flutter, etc. Not every project is using java/kotlin and swift exclusively.

@cjttuapawa

3 жыл бұрын

@Cyro1 that and some android companies spins on Android like to eat every bit of ram *cough Samsung oneUI *cough

@tomtakumi

3 жыл бұрын

True. Even before Lollipop, JVM is translated to Dalvik bytecode. In Lollipop, Android Runtime (ART) was replaced by Dalvik.

@harrison805

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomtakumi It's the other way around. Android Runtime (ART) is the newer one.

@cjttuapawa

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarcRitzMD honestly I just think it's a mistake on his part, not everyone is going to know this type of stuff especially if you don't come from a java programming / Android development background

I really enjoyed this video!

glad to find your video. Not sure why I have this old one, I just subscribed... legacy? So, I want to process videos on a laptop as fast is as computer possible... and see them in 4K... what do I buy? Thanks Snazzy if you see this. Otherwise, I love your videos.