"I Lost $551,174 From Stocks And Options Trading..." | A Cautionary Tale On Options Trading

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  • @joshconsultancy
    @joshconsultancy Жыл бұрын

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  • @suzukigsx1807

    @suzukigsx1807

    Жыл бұрын

    Your face a lot of moh peng.. did you have a troubled youth?

  • @ussrsovietunion1
    @ussrsovietunion1 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻 same here, massive paper losses. Taking a step back and not chasing my losses. This video serves as a good reminder to myself 🙏

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Hope it was a useful sharing =)

  • @gomugomu4489
    @gomugomu4489 Жыл бұрын

    Wow. So touching. Thanks josh and Jason. What a cautionary tale. He was off a few months but the portfolio destruction is so outsized. 😢😢

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes the destruction can come faster than expected once there is a leverage factor

  • @angelakoh324
    @angelakoh324 Жыл бұрын

    This is a great sharing, important message is also not to invest in something that we hv no knowledge, complex investment approach.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the high praise

  • @kennytan5055
    @kennytan5055 Жыл бұрын

    2022 is never an easy year for most investors. We encourage one another and look forward to a better 2023!

  • @magnetsg
    @magnetsg Жыл бұрын

    Tx for sharing

  • @reginalim7409
    @reginalim7409 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Josh for sharing on danger of Sell Option Put & Leap in a long term down market.

  • @father88888
    @father88888 Жыл бұрын

    getting my cash ready to go into stock n shares anytime these 1-3 yrs....

  • @themoroccanhustler4212
    @themoroccanhustler4212 Жыл бұрын

    Stay strong brother remember that what doesn't kill u only makes u stronger 💪

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Watch to 7m45 to see full details k

  • @limmike5339
    @limmike5339 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the advice

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    No probs. Hope you viewed till the end for the key rounding points

  • @krissamy8385
    @krissamy8385 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks josh for putting up this video.. I use to trade options some time ..but I know it’s not for everyone especially if you don’t know how to cover your lost.. I hope this video will help those who wants jump into options .. please think twice ..cheers

  • @klivejie8620
    @klivejie8620 Жыл бұрын

    i been through the same boat as you on Palantir and now i am down 80% currently ! guess is humbling experience for us.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Do watch to 7m45 to see full details k

  • @potion4765
    @potion4765 Жыл бұрын

    Take care, it’s a tough envt now. I tried some options in 2021, need to be more careful than actual shares

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Watch to 7m45 to see full details k

  • @jackywong4806
    @jackywong4806 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Josh, thank you for sharing. Never dubbed fast get rich scheme. Slow and steady win the race

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes absolutely, slow and steady

  • @father88888

    @father88888

    Жыл бұрын

    ya, as i have said too before here....u can get rich fast with stock n shares but u can get poor fast too.....its double edged sword, it cuts both way....

  • @fabianlee9611
    @fabianlee9611 Жыл бұрын

    Basic rule of investing, high return high risk. Low returns low risk. If someone tells you that some investment can pay you a return of 100% in a few months, then the downside is, you can lose 100% in a few months. Simple logic.

  • @landlord5552
    @landlord5552 Жыл бұрын

    Are you count in also 10 years inflation???

  • @jlexploretheworld1164
    @jlexploretheworld1164 Жыл бұрын

    Funny the youtube advertisement is Option Master Class

  • @zhizian
    @zhizian Жыл бұрын

    Great learning story....... God bless John. Wishing 2023 a better year!!!!

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the high praise, Jason shared generously first and pieced the timeline out to give a better picture

  • @kevingarnett2000
    @kevingarnett20005 ай бұрын

    What is his total capital invested?

  • @simcn73
    @simcn73 Жыл бұрын

    Everyone is a genius in a bull market

  • @agneslim654
    @agneslim654 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Josh. Learn from you.❤

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Hope you’ve watched till 7m45 👌🏻 I’d advocate to avoid options

  • @Koekie5616
    @Koekie5616 Жыл бұрын

    Can I know where to read Jason's article??

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Search Jason Cai financial blog. Ive also attached link in summary of this video k

  • @RayneMa
    @RayneMa Жыл бұрын

    I am actually going to learn options trading.... is there a better way to do it?

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Im on the camp of learning proper investing valuations Anyone else can chime in?

  • @SethCrescent
    @SethCrescent Жыл бұрын

    3 mins into the video, I knew this cannot be Josh Tan hahah. Nice sharing though, thanks.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    You're sharp 👍

  • @tdnow4416
    @tdnow4416 Жыл бұрын

    Right now, cash is king! Maintain healthy amount of cash.. Just my one cents worth…

  • @namichan6830
    @namichan6830 Жыл бұрын

    Nice sharing

  • @NYC1
    @NYC1 Жыл бұрын

    I like your honesty 👍👍

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Stay at least to 7m52 k, you’d understand

  • @edwardlumsianming3430
    @edwardlumsianming3430 Жыл бұрын

    I may be wrong. Fast high returns are very risky as the market is just so uncertain. Profit or loss is not in our control but by forces unseen to the investor

  • @sv4527
    @sv4527 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for saving others from your experience .

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Jason's experience, watch to 7m45 and youd understand k

  • @powersellerseller4646
    @powersellerseller4646 Жыл бұрын

    appreciate from your sharing 👃

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Hope you've seen the full story at 7m45 and hope it was useful. Invest prudently and cya around

  • @kundic4647
    @kundic4647 Жыл бұрын

    my condolences to you,.. did you learn/get the idea to trade Options from chicken genius SG? what do you think about him now? thanks for replying.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Watch to 7m45 to see full details Be respectful, even if you agree or disagree w CGS

  • @markong01
    @markong01 Жыл бұрын

    hi, i had similar trading journey 23years ago. at that time, Options just started coming into Singapore like a trend. i started off trading stock, then options, then forex, all learning experiences, at that young age, i've lost my bucket of funds. then i realised my trading patterns irregardless of the tools (options/stocks/Fx) is my main cause of the losses. Yes you're right on chasing losses hoping for a trend change to recouperate losses is one of the key losing factors, also the main mindset if alway using a single directional strategy to invest.

  • @milo178
    @milo178 Жыл бұрын

    Don't catch a falling knife

  • @ocswoodlands
    @ocswoodlands Жыл бұрын

    The main lesson from this person's big loss is simply the lack of RISK MANAGEMENT. While we fantasise about outsized gains do we also imagine the nightmare of wipeouts? But, I do admire and appreciate that person's honesty in sharing. He could have someone from making the same mistake. And helping someone is worth a lot.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Love this - "helping someone is worth a lot" =)

  • @CalvinK300

    @CalvinK300

    Жыл бұрын

    I like the honesty in sharing. I dislike those so-called gurus who only share-boast their profitable activities. Investment is by definition not guaranteed so profit and loss are to be expected. The main lesson I draw is to be level-headed when winning, don’t get carried away thinking you are Warren Buffet AND don’t get too down when your investment turns sour. We gain something either way - at least a lesson.

  • @TheHumbleChartist
    @TheHumbleChartist Жыл бұрын

    Good one

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks THC =)

  • @3kingdom-i6e
    @3kingdom-i6e Жыл бұрын

    options is not the root problem. betting on the wrong horse is the actual problem. most who bet on tsla either loading up on the shares or its call options has their portfolio decimated. Its just everyone else is paper loss while jason is realised loss. its the same whether you play with stocks or options. need to manage greed and fear.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Options are not the root problem agree. But options magnify the root problem which is greed/over-confidence. On a side note, margin investing/trading also magnifies the problem

  • @maureenkam9212
    @maureenkam9212 Жыл бұрын

    So true. May I know the $551,174 all in USD or SGD?

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    His total is in SGD. But the key message is on chasing losses and overconfidence

  • @maureenkam9212

    @maureenkam9212

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy I too lost big in Options Trading. I did some soul searching. It was due to my lack of my technical analysis knowledge, lack of discipline in risk management and overtrading.

  • @laykhoontan2237
    @laykhoontan2237 Жыл бұрын

    Josh, really enjoy your frank and full details of stock option trading . I super agree option trading is a gamble and very dangerous. Thanks for this good sharing

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the high praise laykhoon

  • @peterchen1934
    @peterchen1934 Жыл бұрын

    I lost 35% by one single trade in Tesla and cut loss on 20 De, and have not recovered psychologically. I would very much like to trace losses eveery day, but really am not mentally well enough. Thinking to o fixed deposits going forward.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Hmmm... thats loss aversion. You may be better served staying the course

  • @peterchen1934

    @peterchen1934

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy it is mental health issue now, how i wish i have not entered into stock market before

  • @jironghuang4895
    @jironghuang4895 Жыл бұрын

    Know your options Greeks before trading options

  • @laivincent561
    @laivincent561 Жыл бұрын

    for 8 months l join 2 usa patron blogger on option trading l studied all the free courses on the blog and also study all the comments Then I realised the odds of option trading are more likely to be against me than anything else So I didn't buy any put or call options though the blogger would give a list to invest in Another area to watch out for is bonds especially China bonds With so much uncertainty it is difficult to maintain mental strength in adhering to a defensive strategy All the best everyone l follow this channel religiausly u have to do u homework by understanding the logic behind the fundamental

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks vincent and thanks for the sharing too

  • @gabrielng05
    @gabrielng05 Жыл бұрын

    Best to stick to a conservative stand

  • @lowboonhong7383
    @lowboonhong7383 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for sharing your honestly investment lost. Many Stocks and Gurus trying to sell their investment course to peoples. Highlighting that you can make passive income. I hope more peoples are aware Option Trading are very risky. May they learn from You. God Bless You.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Do watch to 7m45 The narration is third party 👌🏻 I’d advocate to avoid options and simplify approach

  • @BO-xx6th
    @BO-xx6th Жыл бұрын

    the markets are ever random and illogical, and we are too imperfect so we should just stay away from it

  • @taychikeng
    @taychikeng Жыл бұрын

    I lost big on Alibaba too. What advice would you give me Josh :( Side note, not doing too badly in 2022 though :)

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Eh humble brag ah chi keng lol =P

  • @taychikeng

    @taychikeng

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy Every dog had its day was the bigger point I was trying to make...

  • @melonmusk6087
    @melonmusk6087 Жыл бұрын

    for leaps u should exit within the first 30% life cycle of the options contract. holding till expiry is too risky

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Id still advocate avoid options trading. Refer to 7m45 k

  • @bloggeraldwin
    @bloggeraldwin Жыл бұрын

    Leap call will die one when it drops plus decay

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree, decay is a concern and complexity added. Stock ownership has no time pressure

  • @KelvinKing
    @KelvinKing Жыл бұрын

    I too started 2022 also with the same trading strategy as Jason (long and strong), but thanks to a number of very decent KZread trading channels I quickly realized I was on the wrong side of the trade and started making use of rallies to short aggressively and unload longs. I count myself fortunate... I'm starting 2023 still heavy short, and until market proves otherwise, will remain short... Contrary to what others will want to make you believe, Investing = Trading = Gambling.... Risk management is all you have to help you survive in this game long term...

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Hmm, Id urge to reconsider Investing = Trading = Gambling. But yes investing and trading both require risk management and looking at risk differently

  • @liyangsun7460

    @liyangsun7460

    Жыл бұрын

    retail traders should not touch options at all.. the embedded cost/charges are much higher vs vanilla stocks.

  • @markong01
    @markong01 Жыл бұрын

    from there, i've emback on using a non-directional strategy, cashflow based mindset/strategies instead of directional trading which is similar largely to buying "Big" or "Small" in Casino (stock/Fx/Options Directional bet). Due to my earlier large lost in my fund, i can only go slow and steady to recoup my losses over my future time. Cashflow is coming in slow and steady these 2 years.

  • @balakrishnanmuralibabu5066
    @balakrishnanmuralibabu5066 Жыл бұрын

    I no longer trade individual stocks for trading. I trade only ETFs paying decent dividends, because it eliminates the fear to average down and gives some safety buffer. Lastly, take out some profits reqularly.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Riding baggers are important in investing. Taking profits regularly may result in over trading

  • @taybk1900
    @taybk1900 Жыл бұрын

    Hi josh, thanks for informing general investor or trader pls do not think options is so easy. Anw if your leaps is just straight forward buy call long dated. It is not a very good way as the time decay can burn all the extrinsic value even if the stock price never go down. Try call spread, calendar or diagonal spread. Try to be direction but theta positive or slight negative. Better luck moving forward. Cheers

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Jason would probably understand the terms better than me ^

  • @taybk1900

    @taybk1900

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy just noticed its Jason. Paisei

  • @magnetsg
    @magnetsg Жыл бұрын

    Options should be used for hedging. Anything else is risky.

  • @BE-qz9je
    @BE-qz9je Жыл бұрын

    I also did mistakes and lost. Crazy market

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Take care. Hope the last ending segment has useful points for you

  • @valuabletips560
    @valuabletips560 Жыл бұрын

    Selling short term options at ask price using some mathematical formula could work. The idea is to sell puts when stock is below it's intrinsic value and sell calls when stock is very near the intrinsic value, it's an active way to earn more returns

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Hmmm, not too sure I agree on the practicality on that. Coz the saying "markets stay irrational longer than we can stay solvent"

  • @lumvincent7431
    @lumvincent7431 Жыл бұрын

    Next yr , neither soft or hard landing on USA economy . Tech firms already cut manpower ,lor. Goldman sach cutting next mth .So implication on STI at 2900, 2600,2300 ? Make your guess .Hope can hit 2200 just like covid lockdown 2 yrs ago .My wife n i already standby CPF $ & cash .

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    DEPLOY for 2023!! =)

  • @ryanliew3372
    @ryanliew3372 Жыл бұрын

    Once your puts are Deep In the Money, hedge quickly by selling weekly calls to neutralise the delta as much as possible.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Would that be over-trading?

  • @ryanliew3372

    @ryanliew3372

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy not really. It’s protecting your capital.

  • @johniamranond6508

    @johniamranond6508

    Жыл бұрын

    How do you sell call at what delta?

  • @ryanliew3372

    @ryanliew3372

    Жыл бұрын

    @@johniamranond6508 depends on fast the market drop and what are your views. Sell ITM calls if u think market will drop further sharply.If u think market will drop but not so much, sell ATM call.

  • @frankauerbach
    @frankauerbach Жыл бұрын

    I dare not touch options, my China stocks are down just under 20k, but I can hold and wait for the stocks to recover

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    agree =)

  • @pth8888
    @pth8888 Жыл бұрын

    Option trading works both ways, u can gain big as well as lost big too. If one has not tamed its inner greed beast, it is easy to lost big time in option. I hope John is able to get out of the situation and rebuild his portfolio.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Jason

  • @xikefocus
    @xikefocus Жыл бұрын

    Buying leap calls only when the stock hits bottom and just buy a little. I can’t believe some body has whole portfolio of leap calls in trending down market. Buying options is highly speculative. I hope you can carry your loss into future gain for tax purpose.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    The reasons quite simple: Jason bought it BEFORE the bear market is confirmed. Before that everything is a correction and a buying opportunity.

  • @importkauf
    @importkauf Жыл бұрын

    Dear Josh. Very sorry for what happend. I have made similar experience in 2022..but you used much,more money !!!! Thats wrong.!

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Watch till 7m45 to see a twist

  • @smling11
    @smling11 Жыл бұрын

    Very timing. The online broker I am with is pushing hard on option trading now. To me, there are 3 big bubbles that can shake the world. China property, it is being deflated now. Japan government debt market. Last, the biggest and waiting to burst is the US stock market. US stock market does not work on fundamental. Price does not swing so wildly if it is working on fundamental or real value. It all speculation and gambling, therefore the options that resting on US stocks are just bigger speculation and gambling. My balls are not so big, so I stick to SGX blue chips.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    I get your point of view. On the other hand many swear by US markets after being rewarded in the last 2years

  • @willsontoh7105
    @willsontoh7105 Жыл бұрын

    OMG!!! you are so rich! i dont even have that money to lose

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Stay at least to 7m52 k, you’d understand

  • @markong01
    @markong01 Жыл бұрын

    Huge Note1: Directional Trading is similar to those "Big", "Small" bets in Casino, thou it has large returns, it also gets you sucked into a mindset of wanting to recoup by adding on capital to the next directional bet, be careful on directional trading. Note2: Do not leverage more than 10% of your capital coz a wrong direction will denotes a higher loss.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Great sharing Mark!

  • @lumvincent7431
    @lumvincent7431 Жыл бұрын

    Option trading is risky bet for frequent trader . So many traders betting on Long or short option . Beyond one 's control .I just buy quality counters when price not high. Wait to sell at higher price n collect attractive dividend at the same time .

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes. I agree with your simpler approach Vincent. Year end already, STI indeed has beaten NASDAQ and by a wide margin =) Unbelievable correct hoho

  • @imamhsshakill9159
    @imamhsshakill9159 Жыл бұрын

    Good story

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for following till the end

  • @wtan1851
    @wtan1851 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing. Option trading is like buying a lottery ticket. The most you lose, as buyer, is the value of the ticket (say $1) for a chance to win the prize (say $1m). But if you are on the opposite side (seller) offering the prize, you may stand to lose about $1m when there are only a few buyers and one of them has the winning ticket. Hence, buyers of options are down-side protected but not sellers. In the end, it's the fool's greed that makes the con man's day. Option trading has benefits to manage business and investment risks, but it is not for fools.

  • @andytan489

    @andytan489

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, never abuse a risk managing tool. Selling options will always trump the buying side, simply look at insurance companies.

  • @whis5448
    @whis5448 Жыл бұрын

    Options trading or stock trading is same as gambling. That's why invest for the long term and don't gamble. The stock market will humble you in one way or another.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes agree invest for long term

  • @jerrychew9124
    @jerrychew9124 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing. I think that the strategy will need to improve. Buy put/call instead of Sell. Cut loss fast when not going your way

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Watch to 7m45 to see full details k

  • @mattseto1054
    @mattseto1054 Жыл бұрын

    JL, This is such an impt video and sharing. Options as a short cut to creating passive income or cash flow is a dangerous plan. Please listen to the valuable sharing and stop gambling your dollars away. Turtle method is best. Let math compound your money and grow more patient. The rewards will come.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes indeed. We must remind all, especially younger audiences who are seeing their first bear market, of the slow and steady approach

  • @mrgadget1485
    @mrgadget1485 Жыл бұрын

    HAHAHAHAHA!!!! I love this! Tesla stock plummeting! :D :D :D

  • @chaz4609

    @chaz4609

    Жыл бұрын

    Jai Hinduja. Roller coaster stock that had minted many many new millionaires while bankrupting many others especially those late followers.

  • @cryptomizpro
    @cryptomizpro Жыл бұрын

    i hope those "options" singapore gurus who say "protect your downside" in those cringy youtube ads share their pnl lol.

  • @klchiang2020
    @klchiang2020 Жыл бұрын

    The whole story is not about stock or option. It is about the ignorance to treat investment as gambling. This kind of investing style will land him into failure, no matter what asset class that he invest into.

  • @benjii16

    @benjii16

    Жыл бұрын

    Life is harsh especially at times like this, that doesn't mean you should add more salt to the wound. People make mistakes, as long as it does not involve harming any loved ones, it should be deemed as forgivable. The fact he can admit what he did wrong and share it with the community already means a million that money can't buy.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    His investing style needs changes, I think he would agree to some extend also And yes ivan, forgiveness is the first step to heeling

  • @klchiang2020

    @klchiang2020

    Жыл бұрын

    There is no forgiveness or act to add salt issue here. It is just a highlight on investing is not gambling. No offence! Peace!

  • @raunholt1234

    @raunholt1234

    Жыл бұрын

    Going etf/dividend is the way to go longterm but thats boring😄 but its works.

  • @88_JJW_88
    @88_JJW_88 Жыл бұрын

    u r not the only one...i lost S$300k in HK shares such as Alibaba, Tencent and Pingan last year 😭😭☹

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Story narrated on Jason behalf. Refer to 7m45 k

  • @limchbg1217
    @limchbg1217 Жыл бұрын

    When someone said he hopefully need a turn around market to breakeven, u know he is just gambling his money, just like u buyingba toto ticket to recoupe his losses over the years....keep the money in cpf or bank now....sure win, no losses.....

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    I actually agree

  • @joee2743
    @joee2743 Жыл бұрын

    Would have been disappointed if this story was yours ... Had it been yours it would imply a significant lost in your investment portfolio. Wishing you better returns in 2023. The China & HK plays should be making a heading up.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Ive added a " " into title for the eagle eyed observer Thank you for the well wishes and cya around =)

  • @jk35260
    @jk35260 Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a story of lack of consistent trading strategy and also over leverage due to lack of a clear strategy to size his trades.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    It’s true, overconfidence may have caused the position size to be too big

  • @bloggeraldwin
    @bloggeraldwin Жыл бұрын

    He anyhow Chiong

  • @REALPLSHOWN
    @REALPLSHOWN Жыл бұрын

    I would not learn from an instructor that does not share their portfolio P&L on a consistent basis.

  • @willsontoh7105
    @willsontoh7105 Жыл бұрын

    If I lose that much I will jump of the building

  • @Vincent-pl3ck
    @Vincent-pl3ck Жыл бұрын

    1st, wanted to fight inflation,then greedy ,want gain. Then it become like gambling in a way

  • @259Yee88
    @259Yee88 Жыл бұрын

    Don't worry, im also in the same boat as you. Alot of my leaps are expiring jan 2023 and 2024, aapl, meta, tsm,nvda, msft and etc. Anyway, to average down, i have decided to buy the stocks instead, we don't do buy leaps anymore. Lastly, we only do sell puts (csp), cover call and vertical spread now. With csp, u set the target price u are willing to buy. If hits u get assign at your desire price. If don't hit, l keep collect premium every monthly. To be honest, option trading is a very powerful tool if you can use it correctly. Anyway my point is, you learn from your mistakes in option. As for me, option will alway plays a big part of my trading and investment portfolio.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    For jason. He likely understands the terms above more than me

  • @259Yee88

    @259Yee88

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy sorry my mistake, i thought it was you 😄. Tell Jason, don't give up, we all learn from our mistakes, no body are born to trade or invest. But i do see alot of advertisements regarding option trading in 🇸🇬. But for all those people wants to start option trading, please don't believe the stuff they says, option is not for everyone and they make it sounds so easy. I have learned the hard way, it takes me 3 years to feel confident in trading option.

  • @liyangsun7460

    @liyangsun7460

    Жыл бұрын

    @@259Yee88 retail traders should not touch option trading, period. on every single trade you make, there's a bank/market maker taking the opposite side. the bank would hedge away the greeks (eg long half of the underlying stock to hedge option delta etc) and make pretty much risk free money (from you!). And not to mention the brokers etc in the middle. there's no free lunch, every trade you make you are paying for someone's

  • @259Yee88

    @259Yee88

    Жыл бұрын

    @@liyangsun7460 Everything in life, there are no free lunch. All im saying is, you got to know what you are doing in option or trading in general. Any trades you do, there are no 100% risk free or free money, if not everyone will be a millionaire 😃. But, as long you know your risk management, and trade within your budget. Lastly, I totally disagree or even heard people saying retailers shouldn't trade option.

  • @mming_my
    @mming_my Жыл бұрын

    Rip

  • @options888
    @options888 Жыл бұрын

    Based on my experience, I realized LEAPS is only done best during a Bull market, just like after the Covid crash in 2020. During a bear market like this when it’s too volatile, I feel it’s best to trade short term like selling options (put or call credit spreads) or even butterfly spreads with high returns w less risk when done right. A long only portfolio like LEAPS will hurt your portfolio so bad in a recession. When buying options, best is done during a strong Bull market, or if wanna trade in bear market best to trade short term breakouts to catch explosive moves when stock breaks pass support or resistance. Otherwise for most times I think selling options is good for income. For put selling during a high inflationary environment I feel best to stick with defensive consumer discretionary stocks like JNJ, KO, PEP, less volatile. But for buying options what I prefer doing is LEAPS on volatile tech companies to capture big moves either on the upside or downside, usually breakouts

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    It was also hard to judge when the bull had ended a year ago. This time round, the biggest challenge will be determining when the bear ends... Hence would still suggest, minimise/forsake stock direction prediction. Invest safely =)

  • @options888

    @options888

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy I bought leaps since September 2021, I held it until around May, and I found that this is just the start of a bear market with bigger possibility to go down even lower as inflation is rising and fed is going on a hawkish stance to further increase rates, so I felt it’s gonna be very bearish in 2022 leading on to 2023 especially when the yield curve inverted, hence I just exited coz I was also thinking to wait for market to recover, but technical analysis doesn’t seem favorable. I think what I’ve learnt this year to improve trading options is to look at macro analysis, understand what’s happening in the world and how economic data affects the market and make your investment decision based on that, and also mastering technical analysis helps a lot to know when to get in and out of the trade especially for trading short term. But otherwise I think for a long term investment point of view, best to hedge by buying puts or temporarily hold cash

  • @maureenkam9212

    @maureenkam9212

    Жыл бұрын

    I beg to differ. I was a complete newbie and started selling cash secured put in 2022 after completing a course which was expensive. My mentor failed to recognise 2022 is a bear market and encouraged us to sell CSP. I suffered great losses with the market crash.

  • @options888

    @options888

    Жыл бұрын

    @@maureenkam9212 as i said, trading options should also include some macro analysis and some technical analysis, during a high interest and inflationary environment, its not wise to sell puts on tech stocks for example that are volatile in nature due to their weak balance sheets, sell options on stocks like JNJ, KO, that are more recession proof because of their strong balance sheets, alternatively given this bear market, should also maybe sell calls more than selling, puts, and i think its also good to take into consideration of technical analysis too, for example selling puts on support or demand zones. I learnt the hard way, i also learnt to just sell puts on stocks that i like fundamentally and thought it was such an easy cash flow machine, but i realized there were more than that, still have to consider like macro and technical mainly if trading short term options.

  • @sebastianl6809
    @sebastianl6809 Жыл бұрын

    Why never put stock Loss? Poor risk management

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Maybe... Id still advocate avoid options trading. Refer to 7m45 k

  • @neohengong4358
    @neohengong43582 күн бұрын

    I told U friend😢

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    2 күн бұрын

    not me k, watch to the end, this is a narration

  • @ackc1204
    @ackc1204 Жыл бұрын

    I know people who lost on CFD, and now on options. I am not into options though there are many hooha in the internet about it. Basically I do not have the time to monitor but just buy good stocks for long term and let it be. My portfolios are down too but I am still doing DCA...less frequent now. 2023 picture still very unclear. Will relook into both stocks and cryptos next week (2023) again. Stay optimistics and invest within means too.😁

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes stay optimistic. Plain simple unspectacular DCA is one of the best ways there is

  • @tanhakkoon
    @tanhakkoon Жыл бұрын

    Statistically is like that when we buy Option. More than 90% buy Option lose money to Sell Option. If we sell PU we might need to had strategy either to roll if we seem to be assigned. Also once assigned we need to plan should we hedge or average down is price drop another 20% or more.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Will still advocate, dont touch options. It requires a guess on near term direction

  • @srinivasapattigilli6020
    @srinivasapattigilli6020 Жыл бұрын

    Cash secured puts and covered calls are the safest way to use options, leaps is a very risky bet

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Would advocate to avoid options. Watch to 7m45 to see full details k

  • @srinivasapattigilli6020

    @srinivasapattigilli6020

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy I saw that Josh, while working, we can work with options if we are targeting to buy stock. Selling cash secured put options is not as risky as buying leaps. Worst case you buy the stock when when the put gets assigned. So one can always hold the stock long term. Similarly cover calls is just selling a call above your purchase price, so one will end up in profit if it gets assigned too, we just end up selling the stock at a targeted price. But one needs to be cautious and pledge only the amount he has in cash / number of stocks while selling options. If we get greedy we loose.

  • @lynngor8
    @lynngor8 Жыл бұрын

    Amongst my Portfolio,SG stocks ,US stocks and Singapore Properties, my best ROE is still Singapore Properties. I managed to 4x with the properties. And today my share tank but the companies that I buy has got good promising future so I am just not worried…and I invest…pls don’t gamble or borrow to buy share…this is what my grandfather taught me.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes agree. Whichever asset class, invest properly

  • @chaz4609

    @chaz4609

    Жыл бұрын

    Jai Hinduja. Dow and STI are in a good place while Nasdaq is down over 30 percents from the Peak.

  • @roubini74
    @roubini74 Жыл бұрын

    playing options is 1 thing. failure to analysis the market is another. i think i had post in your channel a deterioting 2022 market. 2023 will be worse than 2022. very simple. inflationary and hiking interest rate is almost guarantee a recession. Feds QT simply means less liquidity in the market( opposite of QE) which means stock market drop. even if you can guess a bear market, many cannot execute a trade. why? because the stock market which will big swing which simply means to wipe out the small retails investors confidence. stay away from stocks in 2023. it not for retail investors. good luck!

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Im advocating to start investing in 2023 amidst the bear

  • @pier-oliviermarquis3006
    @pier-oliviermarquis3006 Жыл бұрын

    That's the truth that 99.99% of retail options traders face. The amount might vary, but buying long options is an almost inevitably catastrophic strategy if not implemented in a strictly quantitative manner.

  • @TLH788
    @TLH788 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your advice..hope you have achieve your financial freedom in one day..we all learn from failure..

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Refer to 7m52 k. Hope you viewed till the end for the key rounding points

  • @johntan2582
    @johntan2582 Жыл бұрын

    Option trading has been advertise.. many trader say a good

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    yes indeed hence I did this story narration to warn of it

  • @carsonchan5102
    @carsonchan5102 Жыл бұрын

    my sister works at a hedge fund. she said her company spent tens of millions to move office 2 blocks closer to the stock exchange, so they can better intercept people's signals. they can intercept a buy/ask signal, beat your signal to the stock exchange, buy up all the shares below your price, and sell it to you for a profit. institutional investment banks have an incredible advantage over retail investors. they get information even while its still a rumor; not released on to the public yet. They have teams of people all around the world watching every single bit of information. They miss nothing. they have teams specializing on particular industries with the help of industry experts

  • @shoubiaokuang747
    @shoubiaokuang747 Жыл бұрын

    😢😮😟🥺😭

  • @CLXH
    @CLXH Жыл бұрын

    Seriously !! Or it's just a click bait Josh ??

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Avoid jumping to conclusions. Watch till end. And avoid judging 👌🏻

  • @CLXH

    @CLXH

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy don't get me wrong, i wasn't judging. Was the caption inaccurate or misleading ? You can't have such caption 'I lost 500 grands' and expect your subscribers not to react accordingly. I wasn't able to watch the vid before it was uploaded. Anyway, i wish it wasn't true.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CLXH noted. Thank you for the support. Don't judge jason who has bravely put his story out. I'm sure he has some regrets and is probably already taking corrective steps

  • @laichongchao8266

    @laichongchao8266

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CLXH I think it is not an inaccurate caption. He put in in inverted commas, so it can suggest that this is spoken from someone else and not Josh himself. I would say it's clever captioning 😁

  • @konggg
    @konggg Жыл бұрын

    Options is a way to earn good passive income if you know what you are doing. Keep it simple, do not engage in those complicated fancy sounding strategies. Do options on stable and sound companies and diversify your portfolio. Keep a mixture of tech/defensive/speculative/ETF stocks in your portfolio. Do not get emotional and follow the rules.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Hmmm but the options he bought were on stable and sound companies... The passive income earned from selling options has risk entailed into it. By virtue of time, it is not the same as a buy and hold dividend income portfolio

  • @konggg

    @konggg

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joshconsultancy I noted that his portfolio consists mainly of high growth tech stocks. Could have considered “boring” stocks like Kroger , Coca Cola , P&G etc. Sell Put options from companies which shares which you are happy to own should the option gets assigned. Once you own the shares (thru assignment)sell call options. Repeat this cycle (wheel technique) and generate an income stream from the premiums received. With the income generated, you can also buy put or call options or buy up the stocks you targeted. Options is a powerful tool and is also a double edged sword. Get trained on how to trade options. Learn how to use the tool safely and effectively.

  • @rylee4383
    @rylee4383 Жыл бұрын

    Surprise Surprise no hedging?

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Stay at least to 7m52 k, you’d understand

  • @frankauerbach
    @frankauerbach Жыл бұрын

    Buy China tech stocks and wait lah

  • @frankauerbach

    @frankauerbach

    Жыл бұрын

    China stocks rising, hoseh liao

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Ya things finally FINALLY looking brighter =)

  • @superconnie5003
    @superconnie5003 Жыл бұрын

    MAS restricts retail from trading SIP. Good idea.

  • @joshconsultancy

    @joshconsultancy

    Жыл бұрын

    Brokerages have a process and options can be easily accessed

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