This is even better because your labels are runtime values, so you can compute goto destinations at runtime via string interpolation or such, making it even more readable.

@FastNotSave

Жыл бұрын

Also, you can have multiple labels with the same name, meaning the same goto call will jump to different labels depending in which block the goto is (since you do a linear search through the list), increasing maintainability.

@rogo7330

Жыл бұрын

GNU C extensions have runtime-evaluated labels. But GNU C is mostly heresy (despite being actual better version of C, not like C++), so be carefull and put ifdef __GNUC__ everywhere.

@samgiz

Жыл бұрын

@@FastNotSave A goto call should always jump to the same instance of a label (the first one in the list) as it iterates through all blocks from the beginning, not from where it was called.

@FastNotSave

Жыл бұрын

@@samgiz that is correct, my bad. The code was so readable that I got confused.

@johangamb

Жыл бұрын

@@samgiz it would be a trivial change to make the iteration looking for next label start from the previous block being executed (and loop back to start again if not found on rest of list), in which case you really could have multiple identical labels, as the guy with headphones wrote, drastically increasing maintainability and code scanability

I started to doubt it some weeks ago, but now I'm sure. His villain arc has started.

Compsoy: recursion Compchad: recursion in a try catch 10/10 video

@monad_tcp

7 ай бұрын

I though he was going to implement full blown call/cc , or import setjmp/longjmp , but a try/catch is essentially that, setjmp/longjmp. Use this knowledge with care.

@angelcaru

4 ай бұрын

10/10 comment, i managed to segfault in Python

@angelcaru

4 ай бұрын

wtf?? its not letting me reply to another comment

dude you've reached pure programming god tier by now

@ribosomerocker

Жыл бұрын

ocaml isn't pure

@__gadonk__

Жыл бұрын

@@ribosomerocker 🤓

@ribosomerocker

Жыл бұрын

​@@__gadonk__ 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

@K5RTO

Жыл бұрын

@@ribosomerocker what man has made filthy, a god makes pure

@miran248

Жыл бұрын

He got so pure he overflowed.

I recently installed OCaml to get some project that someone else wrote to compile so I could use it. I learned a little bit of ML like 20 years ago and knew Caml and OCaml existed, but never used them. Your video hasn't changed my mind on goto, but it has changed my mind about even getting into OCaml.

19:10 You have optional arguments with default values. E.g. `let goto_block ?(name = None) ...` and call it `goto_block ~name:(Some "foo")`. Mutual recursion is possible by chaining the function definitions with `let rec foo = ... and bar = ...`.

Bro you look like stereotypical "Mad Scientist" on the thumbnail :)))))

Senior Dev strats: "Let's hallucinate like ChadGPT".

Your approach of skipping blocks that shouldn't be executed reminded me of the same approach being used to implement loops in "M/o/Vfuscator", a C compiler that generates only mov instructions.

Holy moly! I last watched your videos 2 years ago, and there were so much ”more” of you then. Nice! Looking good. Your content is still top notch as usual.

Tsoding has ascended into implementing goto, as recursion syntactic sugar

@monad_tcp

7 ай бұрын

everything is syntactic sugar

I think that function used as an intermediate step, to control where to "jump" execution, is usually called a "trampoline". I've seen it used similarly to implement things like tail call optimization in languages that don't have it, like Javascript XD. Which seems like a completely different thing at first sight, but it¡s actually related. Tail calls behave as a jump or goto, and that's why they can be eliminated in the first place.

I love your presentation style :'D Keep up with your divine mission!

great video :)

Oh , first time a project shorter than an hour, you're becoming a youtuber🎉🎉

Why don't you implement a continuation monad with the call/cc function in OCaml? It will allow you implement the `goto` thing more efficiently

beautiful control flow, I didn't ever wonder before if goto could be implemented in any language teachers only resort to saying that goto is garbage but you come up with this beauty of state machine

best preview ever made on KZread now implement gotos in C like they're not yet implemented

millions must ocaml

Siberian Chud

What CompSoy programmers have to do to mimic a fraction of the power of Common Lisp.

The best CPS(Continue Passing Style) vedio.

Actually I have that whole "lable" vs "label" spelling issue too

@necuz

Жыл бұрын

theater theatre 🤷🏻‍♂

GOTO reminded me of Basic but also MacroB in cnc programming, I'm using it a lot with G-CODE on Swiss lathes..

it's over for gotocels

chad goto and compsoy LOL will be borrowing those for sure!

This is true art!

Algebraic effects are awesome

What a villain to admire

Beautiful and useful. I love DRY code. Also thanks for the gist so I can just copy-paste that into my projects. Sincerely, thank you. See you in hell.

That was fun! Thank you Tsoding!

I see one possible improvement and two problems. If you change line 16 to also [] -> throw Goto entry than you have even some kind of interfunction jumps. The problem that arises from that is what happens if you try to jump a Label that is not defined and what if the user catches or throws Gotos themselves. But the bigger problem I see with this approach is to have the jumps being calculated at runtime. That kind of violates the advantage of goto in my eyes because of the huge Overhead beeing generated. But I am no programmer and don't have any education in this field! But I love your unique apoaches to everything you do. Keep on comming up with such interesting ideas. I hope you can keep making content and wish you the best of luck.

this is one of the only videos that i actually understood what he was talking about

I tried to do it myself before watching. I defined a binding operator that does the try-with, but you can't jump forward this way (I'm still hacking it I have some ideas). Also I think it can be done by defining labels as mutually recursive functions that tail-call each other. My half working solution looks like that : let* loop = make_label () in goto loop; goto exit; (* Doesn't work since exit is not defined *) let* exit = make_label () in ...

Very gigachad

i love you mr. tsoding

hmm, looks like an interesting challenge for me to sneaky commit something like that into our production erlang code

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. That was the comment I would put while watching the first part of the video. I changed my mind when the irony and meming ended. I gotta say that this is the best video you uploaded in a while in my books. The former Tsoding (the real chad imo) would be proud of you.

badass intro

CompSoy

Somebody read the Lambda papers.

I'm not sure if you bullied Exceptions, functional languages or both here. Either way, I like it.

This reminds me of the special operator LABELS in Lisp

wait, it's all a state machine? always has been~

State of the art

coming from c#, isn't there a conditional catch? you could divide the blocks in multiple catches each one for a label, and then throwing you owuld go in that 'case', like a sort of switch

@monad_tcp

7 ай бұрын

no, we don't do that here, we do match, no label jumps from machine code

How is this so close to your old channel type of video and simultaneously the polar opposite of it

as an F# hacker, I approve this message.

What a madman

I wouldn't be able to figure out something like that, tsoding is slowly ascending to programmer mage levels

The thumbnail forced me to watch this 😂

I've noticed that you always use Emacs for your workflow, btw superfast. My question: do you use it cause is really highly efficient in comparison to others modern IDEor text editors. I'm aware that this is a controversial area, but as an amateur programmer, is very confusing and I'd like to know professional opinions. Many, nowadays, are commenting that VScode is the replacement of Emacs. Do you agree? Emacs is obviously more powerful but young generations are not sticking to Emacs community. Thanks for any insight

i like compsoy even if i don't know what it means

conditional jumping would also be easy under this approach!!

Very similar to tagbody in common lisp. 👍

todaY wE arE goinG tO enD thE worlD so lets start with implementing 'hello world'

That was great!!

pure evil

SOMEONE TELL TSODING TO STOP SAYING RIGHT EVERY 5 SECONDS I CANT LISTEN TO IT

20:06 shot out to F#'s computational expressions (not to use the compsoy "monadic")

Сверхчеловек сверхразум

I learned some lua for configuring neovim recently and was surprised to discover that in lua 5.2 they actually added goto to the language. Does that make lua the chad-est dynamic language now? Kind of ironic since they don't even know the only true correct number to start counting from, but then again, would a true chad care about that?

@replikvltyoutube3727

Жыл бұрын

The tables start at 1

@dupdrop

Жыл бұрын

@@replikvltyoutube3727 I know. Real programmers count up from zero ;)

@yjlom

Жыл бұрын

@@dupdrop real programmers count down

@vnshngpnt

Жыл бұрын

Based Lua

@safariknight3239

Жыл бұрын

​@@yjlom so would the first element be index -1 or 0?

Instead of an unconditional "goto loop", it could have been "if !i >= 10 then goto loop", no need for the "out" label, it would be a do-while though.

one way to introduce new syntax in a language is to make a preprocessor which converts your new syntax to an implementation in the language

You get a like just for that thumbnail 👍

I am very afraid of mutations, what do I do

Tom Harding implemented GoTo by using circular reasoning.

"Today i woke up and chose the violence" and that's the story of how i subscribed and that was before the "double dick operator" which is a beautiful name and an excellent way to ensure nobody ever forgets it lol

Structured programming: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I think the same thing in Haskell would have been much more beautiful. Goto statements should be implemented in a pure way.

@dirrelito

Жыл бұрын

callCC seems like magic--- but your implementation in this stream seems like essentially CPS

pog

i love you

this isn't really goto (fully) because you can't have multiple gotos inside one "block". Unless you make redundant copies of chunks of blocks.

здарова, будут туториалы для начинающих?

28:51 can your C even do that ! If it compiles, it works !

CompSoy lmao

this reminds me of single-store/assign in LLVM IR type stuff

I wonder how it would look lime in a language that supports macros

yes.

Why are you scowling like judge dredd

something

I love your content mate. This is one of the few channels that provides based HQ content for C chads. Nowadays, the majority of YT tech. content creators 're making garbage for JS soydevs: ""x Is A gAmE cHaNgEr!" "sToP uSiNg y! uSe ThIs wheelReinvented.js nOdE pAcKaGe InStEaD!"

@CPSPD

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewdunbar828I literally cannot stand Acerola but the video content is always so good. Recommended definitely.

Wait. So Rust is basically a low level ML language!? I just started with Rust and never tried OCaml, but this looks very familiar for some reason...

@SimonBuchanNz

Жыл бұрын

Rust was initially implemented in ocaml, and it takes several details from ocaml including a lot of it's naming, but it deliberately draws from a lot of different types of languages.

"I implemented Goto in OCaml" Yes, but what for ?

@diegorocha2186

Жыл бұрын

To show you that he can and you cannot!

@vitalyl1327

10 ай бұрын

Language which does not have a goto is a crappy compilation target - and, therefore, a crappy metalanguage. You cannot compile parsers efficiently, for example, if you don't have a decently fast goto.

нифига у тебя лицо злое на превью.

@TsodingDaily

Жыл бұрын

Мизицем ноги об стол ударился специально для превью.

@spidorak254

Жыл бұрын

@@TsodingDaily Мизинцем* bro

I have a hard time understanding tsoding's sarcasm. Most things just whoosh by me. Are people scared of for loops? Do students use recursive? What is soycaml? ~$ man tsoding-jokes

@ea_naseer

Жыл бұрын

zig doesn't have a for loop.

@anon_y_mousse

Жыл бұрын

@@ea_naseer Yeah it does. It's a weird syntax, but it's there.

I wouldn't trust a language that hasn't goto. And that hasn't nullptr.

Good but using if is soy. Computed goto better

@alurma

Жыл бұрын

Not chad enough Kappa

akshually, functions have namespacing and labels don't so this "goto implementation" has some limitations P. S. Don't call me 🤓

Try using CPS for that purpose next time ;)

Sir can I have your neovim config

@ernestodelgato930

Ай бұрын

Pretty sure he mentions he's using Emacs at 6:53

@suryaprakash-sh5bf

Ай бұрын

@@ernestodelgato930 yea thanks bro

Ocaml soy? Lmfao

When AI videos again??

HOW DARE YOU.

First try

@nothappyz

Жыл бұрын

Also maybe doing a video trying to hack it into the compiler might be cool?

im sorry, but you look like "the west has fallen" wojak

so basic...

master

Congrats, you rediscovered call/cc

@alurma

Жыл бұрын

But typed!

@frechjo

Жыл бұрын

call/cc preserves the execution context, it saves the state of the stack, no? This is a trampoline, it behaves similarly, but without preserving the state of the program, it only jumps to where it's told.

chaddest solution: ```hs main = replicateM_ 10 (putStrLn "Hello World") ``` i thought you'll use delimited continuations, but your solution is way worse! congrats! i suggest you look into continuations, delimited continuations, continuation passing style, and defunctionalization!