Again, there is obvious implicit bias here. I will always clearly articulate when that is the case. But with the PSDs, multiple blind and double blind tastings with colleagues, etc, I tried my best to be as objective as is possible. I want to reiterate what I have stated in the caption above- this by no means is a financial necessity on my part. I work full time in an incredible job with Onyx Coffee Lab as a wholesaler of roasted coffee. This is where my food comes from. I do NOT rely on KZread or on any project like this. All these little ventures I do go directly to my channel. For what it's worth. Hope you enjoy the video!

@user-bdpdfom

Жыл бұрын

Can’t be any more explicit than having it right there in the title. Your honesty and deep technical knowledge are second to none. Keep it up man happy friday!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you so much! Appreciate the kind words and support

@3rdeyewoke609

Жыл бұрын

Hey Lance, I'm a new coffee enthusiast who is looking to upgrade my breville grinder. With so many options , an the niche being everyone's 1st choice, I'm having a hard time choosing. And I'm looking for it to be use for espresso mainly. Also I saw the 078s sculptor and as of right now it's my 1st choice. What do you think? Max budget $750

@3rdeyewoke609

Жыл бұрын

Also, I will be upgrading my espresso machine, but it's much easier & faster to buy a $750 grinder compared to a $3000 espresso machine .😅

@3rdeyewoke609

Жыл бұрын

*update* I'll go $1k for a grinder if it can be justified. Reliability, quality of grind, NO stalling, and style points. And being put in a position that I would not need to upgrade. Or feel wanting more.

I am a blind content creator . Maybe you didn’t think about blind people when making the manual grinder, but it was indeed suitable for me as a blind person. I really liked it after trying it at a coffee shop and decided to buy it immediately. The ease of accessing the control knob and the clicking sounds helped me measure the grind settings accurately without relying on sight. Also, the stability of the grinder on the table made it difficult to accidentally knock it over. Even the ease of removing my grinder burrs for cleaning, all these things helped me as a blind person to accomplish the details of making my coffee in an easier way. Perhaps they are simple details, but for blind individuals, they mean a lot. Thank you for everything you have done, and thanks for keep helping me in my journey to learn how to make the best coffee cup 🙏

This is INCREDIBLE! Good work Lance and everyone at Pietro for pushing the envelope on what hand grinders are (and what everyone thinks they are) capable of.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you! Excited about the burr set, for sure.

Thanks for this, Lance. The timing is perfect as I'm competing with Pietro tomorrow. Great to get to know this grinder in detail before going on stage. I appreciate your objective mindset when reviewing this. Also, salutes to you folks in the studio as the editing game keeps getting better every time.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

oh wow! That's incredible! Hope it goes well, bud!

Ok, come on guys. Huge props to Hugo for that sponsored bit and the editing. Holy crap, that was top tier with the Phonk in the background, synced with the video. Loved it!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

I was cracking up at the edit. He is a master.

@Guips96

Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick indeed hahaha. It gets better every video

@hugoferrazporto

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 🙏

@Guips96

Жыл бұрын

@@hugoferrazporto Np, you're the man!

@danymeeuwissen5973

Жыл бұрын

@@hugoferrazporto I usually forward 30 seconds during the ad break, but your intermissions are absolute gold! 👌

Sometimes Lance is just as caffeinated as you would expect from a coffee youtuber

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

it's true.

Lance love the content and the full disclosure of your involvement in the project. Keep up the great work!

I very much appreciate this long, and in depth video; not so much that I'm interested in buying this grinder, more so that it went a long way to help me understand, or, if not truly understand, but at least demystify burr sets and unimodality. It is truly mind bogling, and, as far as I've been able to find, you are the only person really delving into this!

Win a red dot award. Put an ugly stand on it to make it usable 😂

@emanggitulah4319

Ай бұрын

Form over function 😂

Just had a first spin with mine with the Lance set. Made some siphon brew with a light roast, 8.5 grind setting, 21g, 300ml @90sec (tastes like this could use some tweaking, a little on the weak side). I see now what is meant by bringing out clarity. This is my first flat burr grinder, it is very well built and feels great grinding. I love how small this thing is compared to electric grinders, I almost went electric until I saw this video and am glad I went with this grinder. Thanks for the video and your contributions to the coffee community and now industry!

I really appreciate your passion for burr sets and the PSD data. As a chemical analyst, I probably use the same instrument in your data analysis. Because of your thorough reviews (and Jonathan Gagne's blog) , I recently received my EG-1 V3 and use the Ultra Burrs exclusively for espresso and pour over. It is AMAZING. Thank you for your content. I think the Pietro with Brew Burrs would be a great way to enjoy very similar filter coffee for travel/work. I like the engineering of taking a burr set that would traditionally be used in a powered grinder and implementing it in a hand grinder. I own a monstrous OE Pharos I used to bring to work 😂

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

that's awesome! So glad you are enjoying the EG1. Still my favorite thus far. ULF burrs by SSP at the 80mm size are hard to beat- and I have the 98mm versions. Pharos is a beast!!! you're dedicated!

Thank you so much for this. I love hand grinders and opening those kind of grinders up to flat burrs is amazing! Thank you for reviewing this grinder!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

absolutely! it was a pleasure and joy to make

Teaaaaasing us with those Sculptors in the back 😉 excited for any potential future coverage there!

The ergonomics for this are exactly what my dad with arthritic hands is looking for in a grinder! Stoked to see a quality looking vertical flat burr hand grinder. Also, I'm jamming on the tuxedo sculptor shenanigans in the background. Glad you're being thorough and apparently having fun.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

haha thanks! Always like messing around with grinders if I have duplicates. I did the same with the pietros a while back. Always good fun. Thanks for the support!

Nice. As you demonstrated the base and the impact on stability, i was reminded of pencil sharpeners i used in school.

This looks great Lance, I believe there’s definitely a market for flat burr handgrinders, and this one looks great!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

Hope so! But, as I said, it isn't a make or break for me. just happy to contribute something!

Loved your video Lance! Super appreciate the transparency that you're bringing to the table keep up the good work!!! Time to shill this to my friends haha

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

hahaha appreciate the kind words, Ryan!

Cool to hear that the "deep sea fishing" method of using it actually helps with a slightly better particle distribution, as I just discovered that way of using it myself yesterday, and found it much easier than holding it on the table. I've been loving the clarity, as well as that "body" or as you say "smoother body", in the cup. It's not "tea-like". The week prior I had a local roaster grind a bag for me on their Mahlkonig, and then this week I've been using the Pietro probrew, and it actually seems like I can taste and smell a lot more with this grinder. Definitely way more than I've had with 64mm HU, 83mm stock on DF83, and a Flair Royal hand grinder, too. Very glad I jumped on the preorder for this...I was about a day away from ordering the Ode gen2 with MPs, but then serendipitously saw someone talking about the Pietro and went for it.

@nolanscott9870

Жыл бұрын

Tried this method on mine today, and it was MUCH easier than holding it on the counter.

@niccoloaurelius1587

Жыл бұрын

@@nolanscott9870 there are hand grinders, and then there are belly grinders.

@sweaner

Жыл бұрын

That is how I use my OE Lido2. Much easier.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

BELLY GRINDERS FOR THE WIN!

@niccoloaurelius1587

Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick I wonder what pourover recipe and roast level you used for this test? I've been trying to figure out the best way to make my Pietro shine, trying lots of different pourover methods. It seems like maybe the unimodality makes it more challenging to dial in?

Wow ! I've wondered for some time if we'll ever gonna see a flat burr handgrinder. That day has come, that looks fantastic !

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

I agree! mostly excited because the future now looks bright for them ha!

Thanks a lot for the great review! As a early owner of the multi purpose version, I was excited to wait for your in deep dive into the Pietro and Pro Brew burr set. Definitely will be ordering your burrs to compliment the multi purpose. Funny, you have not really expanded on espresso cup profile for the multi purpose but I can see some similarities with the pro brew in terms that compared to some conicals, it’s more defined and velvety instead of body. Also made my best turbo shots on this. And while I agree that a JMax fills the bill, for me the Pietro has been a clear step up in terms of cup profile. For some reason, I feel the blind burrs are partial to that feeling. Would love to see what grind distribution looks like (from a technical perspective) on these burrs. One point you didn’t mention is that even if you don’t do the step less mod, there is no drift when setting it between clicks (was a worry for me as I find it hard to believe the 15 microns adjustment per big click based on my time experiments with shots). On the other side, quite disappointed with the design of the base. I am sure it will make grinding less wobbly, but it stains the design (it’s gorgeous on a counter top as is). Let’s see the final product though.

@danymeeuwissen5973

Жыл бұрын

Same here, I like the Pietro with mp burrs better than the j-max. Maybe even better than Kinu.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

Yeah- i'd say they arguably are a stepup, but I wanted to be clear it was not night and day. At least, not to me. But thanks for the comment overall!

Love what you did tot the sculptor dials and cups!! 😜

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

hahaha! That was all Hugo's idea lol

I was skeptical about your bias but no you were right! Hoon's coffee tried Pietro with the Pro burrs using blind tests and found it preferable over all other manual grinders including Fellow Ode Gen 2. They have made several videos, check it. I also got the Pietro based on our word about a month ago. I am very happy with it thus far (except for the weight) but I haven't compared it yet with my DF83 with SSP HU. Overall, yes, I think you were honest and your findings were not biased. Great work!!

Awesome video as always! I get so excited when you start your video with a disclaimer about how long an in-depth it is. In regards to the "beans aligning the burrs" situation, I know people have a real problem with that. I've seen a lot of talk on Reddit about it and I, myself, have argued with people about it. People who ignorant about manufacturing or engineering want the grinder to be 100% perfectly aligned and have 0 movement. My thoughts are that many premium manufacturers have said exactly what you said in this video regarding the beans influencing alignment. This tells me there's probably something to it. Commandante, Weber (with the Key Grinder), and now you, to name three off the top of my head. I think it would be a really cool video idea for when you get your laser particle analyzer, to compare multiple of the same grinders with visible "defects", or whatever it's called; where it looks like there's misalignment but when you put the beans in it works itself out. I think that would go a long way for our little community to help assuage people's fears or misunderstandings about having perfect alignment and perfectly rigid materials.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

yes! That is one of the ridiculous amount of tests I have ideas for haha! Good idea.

I like the switch-a-roo with the 064/064s, the panda vibe is strong with these ones🤣

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

had to do it. low hanging fruit ripe for the picking lol

Really love the vibe. Not only educational but a remedy for my heavy day. Thank you ♥️

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

that is so great to read! I am glad my silliness could improve your day even a little. Hope the rest of the day just gets better!

I found your channel from the EG-1 review, where I disagreed with the stalling portion. Since there I have been following and I love your content! Honest, entertaining, funny, and highly caffeinated!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

What about the stalling did you disagree with?

@wadeduvall7026

Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick On the EG1, we talked about it there.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

ok. I just don't recall lol. but i'm thankful you're enjoying the content, friend!

Saw them at the SCA expo in Portland today. Felt good in the hand. Nice colors. Thanks for the interesting review

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

heck yeah! Glad you got to mess with it. HOpe it was a fun day at expo!

Magnetise the base and design the grinder 'holder' to receive, & hold, it at a slight angel. Free hand rests on top of the grinder. Faster easier grind.

I've found the source of the ticking, it's a hand grinder! Yeaaaaa! You've made my day with that reference!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

so glad at least a couple have picked up on it! COnsidering that video's once viral success, I figured there'd be more haha

Saw this grinder at the Amsterdam Coffee Festival. Amazing stuff!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

awesome! Hope it left a good impression!

Hear me out Lance! Imagine a hand crank single dosing EK43S. Same burrs and design with a weighted flywheel at the back of the unit. Drop a dose into the gated hopper. Start turning the flywheel and crank it up to a fast speed. The spinning weighted flywheel will keep the burrs spinning rapidly with momentum. Open the gate and the beans fall through. You can still continue grinding normally. Use the fun bag knocker. Threaded attached catch cup to eliminate static mess.

Great video, intriguing new toy! ........also love the sculpture mix and match 😁 Regards J

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

haha thank you!

I bought this with the m burrs just because i wanted to try it, it arrived today like 2 hours ago - after I made coffee, sadge - and only after unboxing did I notice your sticker on the side! 🤣

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

.....and the verdict? You like? (they do get loads better with lots of seasoning)

This is really informative and exciting. I hand grind my espresso on an Arco, so probably the added value from this grinder would be in the unimodal burrs, to have a weird/different/contrast.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

Oh nice! Arco does a solid job for trad coffees. I should probably review it soon? Lol

This looks like a great idea, great grinder for great coffee... but bad user experience. Handle should be longer so it doesn't shake so much. Shown accessories (stand etc) should be part of the package for this price. Even then, awkwardly positioning your grinder on the edge of the table just to make sure you don't hit the table with your hand while grinding is just a weird design choice overall. Kudos for pointing the issues with it it, being top heavy with a short handle. Honestly I don't care how many 'design awards' from 'designers' product gets, I'd rather see it getting engineering awards and user experience awards :)

Well you can’t get more transparent than making your relationship the title of the video. Great video as always!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

haha thank you! just trying to be well above reproach. Hopefully this will help people retroactively understand I fight bias with every ounce of strength and objectivity I have in my arsenal with everything I review.

The subtle tire screech when you said "drifting" got me XD

Hi Lance if you were to pick one burr for pourover would you rather these pro brew burrs or the turbo burrs from timemore 078?

Great vid! I’m trying to decide between the two pro Burr sets. I heard what you said in the vid but I was wondering if you could help me and break down the differences a bit more. I drink and prefer mostly filter coffee but will have expressive shots once in a while. Thanks!!

I know what to upgrade from my kingrinder k6 now: The Pietro with pro burrs. Thanks, Lance!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

oh yeah! Hope you enjoy!!!

Hey Lance, thanks for the video(s). I'm now an addict... You say the pro-brew burrs work for espresso, too, if one likes the taste. I was thinking of buying them to supplement my Mignon (which, you've said, works better for darker roasts) for lighter espresso roasts. Does that make sense or am I setting myself up for failure? Sorry for asking for personal consumer advice...!

Totally respect you not wanting to use this more on the platform, but i personally would love to see more comparisons on your Patreon or something. I totally understand having a bias towards it, but im more interested in the different profiles compared to other grinders. You don’t even need to say which one is better or worse cuz there’s no such thing. They’re all different, and i think it would be interesting from the burr guy to hear how they’re different. Great video tho man, really awesome job on the pietro, you def made your momma proud lol

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

for sure! Can do that on Patreon easily. Maybe do some videos there or something. Just shoot me a message there! @ me in the grinders place.

I bought a Pietro grinder with Pro Brew burrs. Sensational, but I have a doubt. You say that the grinder shines if it is adjusted to around 8. I think the grain size is too big for my grinder, for several coffees the pour over time is less than 2 minutes around 1'30". What you presented I understood to be a prototype. Did anything change for the final production? Please, can you tell me where I can find a map of the grain size in micrometres depending on the value set on the grind dial?

The degree of coffee geekitude and exactness is fantastic! Love it

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

hahaha I appreciate it greatly! Thank you!

Great video, you are informative AND funny! Even your plug for Squarespace was hilarious🤣

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you! So glad you enjoy it. I hate having to rely on sponsored ads because I know it annoys most viewers, so I try to make them fun.

@PeterGtze

Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick it definitely works. I will not miss another add in the future🙂 Keep up your great work and please never stop spizing your videos with your great personality👍

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you! Means a lot after reading and needing to delete some hate comments. Appreciate you, peter!

@PeterGtze

Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick you know I bet if Nelson Mandela had been on KZread he would have gotten hate comments- it’s not on you!

I just bought one! with the Burr geared to pour over. I have subscribed.

Hello Lance! Did you make the espresso with the B-Modal burr set or with the M-Modal burrs? Does the M-modal burrs capable for espresso also? If yes, in terms of flavors, what is the difference between the two? Could you please help me, because I would like to change my current ROK grinder to a more professional one and I really like this one. I would really apprectiate your help! :) Thank you in advance!

@dan138zig

7 ай бұрын

This video uses the m modal

Loved every second of this video, excellent❤

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you!!

Thank you for introducing us this nice pencil sharpener

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

hahaha!

Great vid Lance!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you, Sean!

As my shoulders are bad, the vertical movement would be easier than the normal horizontal turning motion. Would this grinder produce espresso grind as competently as the better current hand grinders? I have a Ode Gen 2 for other brewing styles. Nice video, Lance.

i just got one with both burr sets (came with MP so that’s what i’m trying right now, but CANT WAIT to swap for probrews!) … but is it just me or do the MP’s create a staggering amount of fines and i’ve sadly not been able to find a convincing brew yet (previously owned grinders being JXpro and Ode/SSP) … also any tips on approximate grind sizes or particular techniques for the MP ?

Quickly adjusts ZP6 to marker 5 🙃 Informative and enjoyable as always Lance

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

haha! ZP6 is an awesome grdiner! Should be proud you got one of the limited rerun

My dude, been absolutely loving the memes/personality in your videos lately! Keep it up 😍

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you! As I get more and more comfortable in front of a camera, I also get more comfortable letting myself out haha! Appreciate the kindness.

@janpalenik4125

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. You are great, Lance. Stay goofy

I'm just sad that this is unlikely to find official distribution where I live because this is pretty much my ideal upgrade path. I've been acclimated to the hand grinder workflow since I started with coffee, and I'm quite hesitant to go motorized, even for the sake of trying flat burrs, because of the added cost, complication, retention, and thus cleaning. Knowing that the pro burrs have your direct input adds even more to the appeal, given how much you have your hand on the pulse for enthusiasts, without the compromises to the casual market that a big corporate designer will push for. I'm really just hoping that there's some way to get this here at a price still reasonably close to MSRP.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

there should be! Loads of global distributors. Throughout Europe, Asia, Australia, North and South America, etc.

Never knew the Pietro 58 existed. It's a shame there aren't more reviews. The few I've seen concur with the outstanding filter brew quality.

Lance, really love the innovations, like goes by default! Couple of questions: do you know a US retailer that will sell your burrs? Espresso parts seem to have the other ones. Also, on Ode SSP, would you also recommend doing the stepless mod (taking the little piece out)? And what would you do to that astringency you got in the video, if you didn't have the other grinders? Just go a step coarser?

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

Hey! Espresso Parts told me theyd be stocking my burrs soon(ish). so, should be good there! and with ode, you need to check out the mod that JKim Makes suggests on his youtube channel to ensure no drifting. and yes- a bit more coarse.

Looks much better than I anticipated. However the more stable base is essential, in my opinion, and it isn't avail for purchase as far I can see?

Not something I'm in the market for yet. But gosh darn I'm happy it's being made!

It’s has great aesthetics, it feels very good in your hands. Love the build quality and cleaning looked very easy, but the grinding experience is not enjoyable. I tested it at their booth during a coffee festival. I wanted to have one, but the price and experience of grinding made me have second thoughts. The vertical rotation of manual grinding is just a clumsy method, even if you would have an additional separate stand. So instead of buying another hand grinder (as I already have quality manual grinder), I decided to buy a timemore sculptor. Anyways, great videos as always!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

I don't disagree with that decision! I agree- it is very clunky without the base. Using the base makes it much better. Vertical mounting is not an issue considering a minimum of about 80rpm is being applied. This will cause more than sufficient centrifugal force to overtake any effect gravity might have on the grounds coming out. but the sculptor is a great decision!

@GadgetsGearCoffee

Жыл бұрын

is it heavy? looks like it is. I think flat burrs is just too difficult for hand grinding, I'm sure there is a small market for it, but at that point, is it "worth it"? I mean it might be for some people for me, I'm using a hand grinder if I'm traveling and I am just less picky overall because of it. I have an Arco hand grinder traveling now, had an Aeropress but silly me I forgot my filter cap >.< so I purchased a chorreador (have a shorts on that on my channel) and I don't even have a coffee scale (gasp!) I don't have the same palette as Lance so I'm happy with the coffee I'm getting

@D_JIM99

Жыл бұрын

@@GadgetsGearCoffee The Pietro is for sure too heavy/Bulky to travel with 😂. What a coincidence, I have a GOAT Arco hand grinder too. If I can’t travel with the Pietro, I might as well spend the same amount of money on the Timemore Sculptor that just sits on your bar. So you’re traveling now and don’t have all necessary tools at hand? Anyways your palette can be developed over time if your a foodie and are open to taste/eat with all kinds of spices.

@GadgetsGearCoffee

Жыл бұрын

@@D_JIM99 I def am a Foodie and love food :) one of life's many simple pleasures. People ask if I like to cook cuz it's sometimes elaborate, no. I like to eat lol. But ya :( silly me I don't use the aeropress often so it didn't seem like I was forgetting anything, but I do now have a new coffee gadget 😅

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

it is heavy. 1.5kg!

Lance, can this be hooked up to a drill? And have you ever looked into drill motor tech to see if there's anything out there more or less appropriate for coffee grinding? I could see the 2 items sold separately as a way to bypass various certs... maybe? Lol

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

perhaps! not sure if Pietro is open to this. I had other ideas I think would have elevated the grinder, but weren't taken. They did do a lot of what I asked, which were all aimed at the cup profile. Ergonomically, I had lots of other ideas haha

Nice work, Lance. 🤩😎

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you, friend!

I’m relieved to know the source of the mysterious ticking noise is only a pin and not in fact a pipe bomb

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank dobby for that tbh.

Great video as always. You do a great job, I think, in letting people know about your affiliations, business connections, possible biases, etc. Transparency is great. I never knew that Mike from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul worked at Pietro. 21:33

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

hahaha! I've thought the same about Denis!

Duuude! Thanks for the vid! Great one at that.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

thank you!

Harry Potter puppet pals will never not be stuck in my head now…. Thank you for that

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

you are So welcome! Growing up, my family of 5 would do the whole song in the car. Bunch of GOOBERS

I am using this grinder with pro brew set. The espresso (it can make espresso, when the grind setting is almost zero) is so much much much better than my niche. And the pour over is also much much much better than my kinu m47 with pour over burr. But Lance, I wanna make this grinder better, so is it possible to do alignment on this grinder?

@berkgunduz

10 ай бұрын

Also I am really curious about that cause my unit just stalled brews at the first brews. Maybe the reason is seasoning but I can hear burr rubbing when Im not even putting force on the handle. But the taste of the brews are not way off at the same time this is my first flat burr grinder so when it comes to allignment I really need the info.

Lance, I have a Lagom Mini. Between this, the Scultpor78S, and the Zerno you talked about recently, which would you get? I do everything from French Press to Pour Over to Aeropress to Espresso.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

Zerno.

Just ordered the grinder with pro brew burrs. Is there a stl file for the stand? I think I'll need it

Does there have to be a burr alignment procedure at any time?

Hi Lance and thanks for your videos. One question from me: with multipurpose burrs and grinding with the stand, is it less tiring (and with with less struggle) than grinding with Jx Pro at Espresso range? I'm not talking about total time needed to grind, just how smooth the experience might be

@nat2world

Жыл бұрын

i recently have pietro MP (but no base) and jxpro, and grinding for espresso with pietro is surprising almost as easy as filter, and yes easier on the turning arm than the jxpro! but without the base, that means that both for filter and espresso (maybe a bit more for espresso) it really does move around a lot! the fisherman’s belly hack really helps! its the holding arm that gets tired!!

Where can I buy the stand ? Got the 1zpresso K-plus hand grinder. Is this a upgrade ?

You made a quick reference to timemore 078, do you mean the sculptor? Or is that a hand grinder?

great stuff man

Love the grinder 🔥

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

I think it quite neat! but, as stated in the video, i'm implicitly biased lol

Minor point. For the price, these should come with a tool set, including the small wrench, in a little bag. I don't love the design, it seems like it was primarily designed for looks rather than stability. I get that the optional foot will help, but it does make me shake my head. Obviously, stability should have been part of the design philosophy. I'd also like to see some kind of anti-static technology built in, rather than banging it on a table.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

Tbh I agree with all this. There were things I pushed for that didn't make the final version, hence my focus on what exactly I helped on.

@beecat4183

Жыл бұрын

​@@LanceHedrickI'm glad you did. I hope you have the opportunity to design a grinder from the ground up at some point, I think your focus on real world usability, with attention to the actual cup would really shake up the coffee world. Also, thanks for kicking around in comments. That's a bigger deal than you might realize.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

appreciate it! Sometimes it takes a bit to get to, but I try to be available for at least the first day or two of a video being published. I know I am not perfect and sometimes people correct me, so I am able to make amendments to captions or pin comments. I value highly feedback!

I've just gotten the Pietro with the ProBrewing M Modal burrs. I've gone to the maximum setting, and my V60 would not brew less than 4 minutes. And I was hoping that it's going to be closer to ULF, but there are quite a lot of fines. The bed was quite muddy. Water temp was at 96C. What am I doing wrong? As a note though, the cup isn't bitter at all.

@dan138zig

7 ай бұрын

Maybe it's the coffee

Hi Lance, do you know why these grinders have a prop 65 warning? I know prop 65 casts a broad net, but it's good to be informed.

like the stormtrooper design of the white one 😄

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

haha! for sure!

This vs q2? How great is the difference in taste? Is it worth the great difference in price?

has the stand for this grinder been released yet? Browsing online and havent been able to find it

Great vid as always Lance! I got my Pietro this week with the bro brew burrs. Ran a kilo of dark beans through it for seasoning before use. On the fence about it at the moment - I absolutely need that stabilising base, can't wait for it to come out. Finding it way, way harder to dial in compared to the 078 (I totally get why, with the latter being a lot more forgiving to dial in). With the washed Kenyan I'm currently drinking I'm having to grind coarser than I'd expected (given it has low fines) to avoid a stalled brew using Hoffmann immersion method on Hario Switch 03 with tabless Japanese filters. Perhaps it needs more seasoning. Still not managed to hit the sweet spot. Setting 6 stalled, 7 was slightly hollow and too sour. Been trying settings in between for last couple of brews. There is absolutely more clarity and less body than the 078, but I haven't managed to get the sweet spot between astringent and sour (overly acidic) yet. Could also be the coffee I'm brewing is finicky. I think my palate also needs to adjust from brewing near exclusively with the 078! Which just produces phenomenal cups in my experience - thanks for tip there Lance 👍🏻 Keep up the good work 😊

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

definitely the base is needed. I am strong on that. I told them before agreeing to officially come out with my cooperation they needed to have one. And seasoning will help but shocking to hear about the stalling! I have had quite fast brews with mine, to be honest. Very odd! hmmmm. Seasoning will help. And, tbh, I haven't used the DLC coated burrs yet. I bet they need loads more seasoning than mine did since mine are not coated at all. They likely seasoned really quickly.

@johnpearson7815

Жыл бұрын

​@@LanceHedrick You said you're brewing 8-9 on the Pietro in the vid for filter. That seems quite coarse compared to me, but you're doing percolation... How much finer would you go for immersion based on your experience? (I just do a pretty straightforward steep and release) This could be another factor for me to consider. I just hope I don't have an alignment issue, as grinds don't appear as consistent to my eye compared to the 078 (more boulders)... 😅 Am doing a bit of troubleshooting with the manufacturer, so hopefully I'll get to the bottom of it

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

to be sure, I have my burr touching pretty aggressively at 0. So, you may be calibrated differently. For immersion, with my calibration, i'm going to around 5-6. Hope it isn't an issue with alignment!

@johnpearson7815

Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick ah OK. Do you get resistance at 0 then? Mine just makes a slight gliding sound for most of the rotation at 0. Can I adjust this?

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

You can! I'll make a video on how and post a link to it soon. For now, with the clogging and optical boulders, send pics and your concerns to info@pietrogrinders.com I have messaged my contact and they're keeping an eye out!

Could have rotated the hand crank 90 degrees (horizontally) and used a gear instead of a direct grind mechanism to remove the wobbling effect, then you can add way more tolerance to the burrs mechanisms. Overall very nice product. 👍

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

smart! yeah- as I said in the video, I was brought on late. Lots of choices I would not have made for ergonomics, but I do think the cups are great.

After watching this video, I decided to both purchase this grinder and subscribe to the channel. The multi-purpose burrs were free when I placed the order for the other version, so I got both. If I grind for espresso, what is the typical grind time?

Amazing information and review, as always. I’m seriously thinking about getting this. I already own the Ode SSP… you said it is the best electrical grinder before diminishing returns. Did your opinion go back to the Ode for that? Because in the Timemore 078 video, you mentioned it was that was the best before diminishing returns. Just wondering if your opinion has changed is all. Love your videos. It always makes my day better. ❤

@chadw6593

Жыл бұрын

Ditto I had the same question, especially since the Timemores are in the background of the video.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

I know this is confusing, and I should've been more clear in this video: All my testing for the burr set prior to completing it was BEFORE the timemore 078 came out. So, I figured i'd replicate those tests in this video. When testing, ode ssp WAS best before diminishing returns. so, I spoke in the present tense. Didn't realize how confusing that was until after a few of these comments. Timemore with turbos is still my number 1 for filter (before diminishing)

@dougdabbs8155

Жыл бұрын

@@LanceHedrick Thank you for the reply, that definitely makes sense. I’m contemplating about upgrading from the Ode SSP to the 078. It seems like everyone loves its juicy flavor profile more, which is something I tend to enjoy as well.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

yeah the 078 is the move if you are filter focused. But, depending on the coffees you drink, the difference could be bigger or smaller. I'd say don't expect earth shattering but you'll definitely notice a difference.

Will this be a great upgrade from the Kinu M47 for espresso?

I love mine and have both burr types because I want to make ibrik. Didn't get any funnels with them. Looks like I'll have to speak to the manager! Lol

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

oh dang! Get that funnel!

Great video as always, Lance! Question: in Pietro website, the naming of the burr is ‘M-modal’ and ‘b-modal’. Which of them is the pro-burr you mention in the video?

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

M-modal!

Oh boy, here we go!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

hope you enjoy it!

"Come on now, just how unbiased can Lance really be here?" Literally the first words of the review: "Out of box, I don't really like it that much." Ah, well then, I see... Very exciting to see this! Definitely a unique offering in the market, as you articulated. PS - you should have a trigger warning for those with a deathly fear of opera

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

hahaha i'll start warning on the musicals lol

I am undecided between this one with the pro brew and the Fellow Ode 2 once you can get it for 230 V 50 Hz......

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

really boils down to a) obtaining (imo) better tasting coffee while sacrificing ergonomics or b) obtaining better ergonomics and sacrificing a bit of taste. Both fantastic. And tbh you can switch loads of burrs with the ode over time if you accumulate 64mm options.

Wait I want to be sure I understand - for filter, you're saying you prefer Pietro to Ode with SSPs, your "before-diminishing-returns" choice (before 078 with turbos goes into production)?

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

Sorry. I should have been more clear. While I was testing for these burrs, the 078 turbo was NOT a thing. At the time, ode ssp was my ceiling for filter. I was just reliving those cuppings. I think 078 turbo is better than ode ssp

Is that a Potter Puppet Pals reference I hear? Man, what a blast from the past!

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

you know it! harry potter, harry potter OOO

So after watching the full movie, thank you lance for sharing the story of the development. For me it is no issue you are involved. I respect your point of view of not talking about the Pietro grinder to often because of your bias. But for me this doesn't matter. You always seem to be approaching this as objective as possible. In your video you state that the ode gen 2 with ssp burrs is the best for filter before diminishing returns, is that already taken into account the sculptors 64 and 78? (I know the review is coming, but just curious if the initial testing is already influencing your statements 😉 )

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

Sorry- I said in my Timemore video (of the 078 I already bought) that I thought it was the new king of "before diminishing returns." I made this burrset about 2 or 3 months before the 078 was released. So, I was testing it against the ode with ssp. So, that was the comparison I included. I have not done heads up against the timemore 078, but the zp6 is quite close to the 078 turbos.

@coenwouters6808

Жыл бұрын

That is exactly why I was surprised to hear you mention the Ode :) thanks for the clarification.

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

for sure! TBH I should've said this in the video. Probably confusing. Dang it!

@jamesnyman1245

Жыл бұрын

Glad for the clarification, I was starting to doubt my sculpture purchase! Regards J

what grinder do you recommend for French Press?

Sorry for the late comment! Any update on the release of that base? I can’t find it online at least.

For which type of beans do you prefer the Pietro Pro Brew over the ZP6 or the SSP MP burrs?

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

I now always prefer Pro Brew to Ode SSP. I'm at 80/20 for Pro brew vs ZP6. I less consider the coffee being used and more consider the style cup I want. Do I want full flavor separation or some blended elements? I also consider the mouth feel they both cater.

I have one with the pro brew burrs. It really taste good! Very clear and clean. The best filter ive tasted in my whole journey of learning and drinking coffee. A question I would like to ask Lance is, how do I remove the pin to make it stepless? I cant seem to unscrew. It gets stuck at around almost 9-0. From your video, you are able to unscrew it past that 😅

@miin108

Жыл бұрын

Aaah. Just saw the video again. Seems like I have to remove that thing that blocks us frommoving past 9-0 haha

@dan138zig

7 ай бұрын

Wow, what's your previous best grinder?

@miin108

7 ай бұрын

@@dan138zig a k-max

knew it yesterday when i saw the grinder in london with all those magnet immedietaly i was thinking to you ahah

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

I LOVE magnets!

Hey Lance, what do you think about Fiorenzato at all. Especially for F 83 E Pro?

@LanceHedrick

Жыл бұрын

I really don't have much experience at all with their stuff, to be honest.