Another difference between daring and vampire: daring was scrapped, while vampire is still around today as a museum ship.

@7thsealord888

Жыл бұрын

Yep, after a long and distinguished career in the Royal Australian Navy, HMAS Vampire joined the Australian National Maritime Museum in Sydney.

@benneville4531

Жыл бұрын

My office is across the bay from where she's moored in Darling Harbour. Still saving research points, so I'm often at the window, gazing down wistfully

@anotherrandominternetdog

Жыл бұрын

@@benneville4531 HMAS Vampire will definitely be my first Research Bureau ship. Still trying to work out the best way to unlock the RB though.

@Largeportion1000

9 ай бұрын

Daring was the class of the ship and a Royal Navy Ship. HMAS Vampire was Australian built which 4 were built. Dutchess, Vendetta, Vampire and Voyager. The later being sunk in 1964 after a collision at sea with the Australian aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne.

I found this funny as i served on the HMAS Vampire DD 11 when i first joined the RAN in 1985 where i loaded the shell 2 L in Alpha Turret and let me tell fleet standard was 22 rounds a minute we could load a couple of rounds quicker but those shells weighed near 30kg they had to be pulled from the hoist lifted onto the tray then rammed and fired it was insane...

@ethandehoff3517

Жыл бұрын

Dude, that's awesome! You served on a ship that's in the game!

@ConcealedWeapon

9 ай бұрын

Insane and awesome! Did you really have 5.8 km detection? Just kidding

Hated it at first because I had no clue how to use smoke and I was facing radar constantly. I’ve grown to really appreciate it. I can tell you just got it because you’re not using the AP enough. It melts so much faster than HE in DD fights and you get Mino arming angles so it’s basically sap.

@Choukai_Chan

Жыл бұрын

Yeah same goes for Daring, and Z-52/42 AP. People just tend to not use it even thos these ships just melt other DDs with it. (Provided you swap in the right situation)

@treeherder42

Жыл бұрын

@@Choukai_Chan yep, had knife fight with a kita in my jutland earlier and making use of the ap was the difference between winning and losing that fight. Kita is just a better gunboat but high tier UK dd AP is just that good in a duel vs a dd. It's the ap shell type for Daring and jutland is listed as 113mm SAP but yeah it's just good ap for dds.

@michaelis427

Жыл бұрын

@@Choukai_Chan Vamp II, Daring, and Z42 AP fuses arm with 17/18mm, which what allows them to melt other DD's. Sadly, Z-52 (among other standard 127/128mm DD's)arms in 21mm armor, so def lots more overpens.

@Choukai_Chan

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelis427 True, thats why I said you need the right moment to switch with Z-52. When the enemy DD gives you a slight angle or is generally on the chonkier end, like Geraing, Harugumo, Elbing, Regolo, Halland etc. you can farm them, else not really.

I got this ship right around the time the Elbing got into the game. It was FUN creeping up on smokes, activating smoke and hydro within 5km and just melting Elbings while they could not do ANYTHING to you

Daring but she pass that 36.7 knot and also the guns are even more crack

Vampire is my utmost favorite ship in the entire game… so powerful in Caps… and you can upgrade the smoke and the hydro… its just amazing 😅

Been screaming about how good this ship is since she was released! Imo, best dd hunting dd in game with only a well played smaland as a counter. As long as you play around radars, and get lucky w CVs, you are near unstoppable. Got a couple vids on her on my channel and it's the most fun ship I have that's also a great utility ship. o7

@robinsanchez25

Жыл бұрын

I tried to find you on utube but didn't see any WOW videos.

Thanks for the review! Love playing DD’s and was wondering what ship to use my research points on.

Thanks for another great vid PQ. Love the commentary.

I think I still hold the record for games played in the Vamp at 2150 including ranked. It's best played with a 2nd DD which in my case is normally a Druid. A lot of fun.

I had a game in ranked (me in a schlieffen) and came across a vampire, he didn't know about the smoke secondary push, and he seemed new to the ship, but we were still able to set up a strong push. With a teammate, the smoke on the ship is absolutely ridiculous and you can do some crazy flanks.

I don't have it, but I've never had trouble with them as my approach has always been to go elsewhere when they are spotted nearby. :)

Use the AP more, its got such great pen angles you can just spam it towards DD's and lightly armored big ships

Been telling you to get the vampire for ages, glad you like it. It looks annoying how the 'smoke duration' buffs effectively increase the cooldown. Being able to control the vision so well with speed varying and crawling smoke makes me wonder if dazzle could work, if only...

I missed the IRL release event for Vampire II. Just days before I was due to board my flight to Sydney, my state (Queensland) imposed border restrictions and it became impossible for me to travel interstate to attend the event. Now that wouldn't be so bad if I hadn't been specifically invited for helping previously out with their HMAS Castlemaine video by providing shipping logs of merchant convoys and their various encounters with Japanese submarines along the Australian east coast and rediscovering the construction documents from Walkers' Maryborough. But to make the missed opportunity hurt even more -- the event was on my birthday! Anyway, about the ship as she is represented in game. She's a lot like her Tier III namesake in that she's all about the guns and being a hard counter to other DDs. Vampire I provides an American smoke on a British hull with a full 360 degree traverse of her X turret. Vampire II provides a mostly British experience but with that crawling smoke and incredibly powerful hydro. Both do the same thing extremely well -- they hunt destroyers and they get up real close to the enemy without ever being detected until the first torpedoes slam home.

One of the best cap contenders in the game! plus 12 km torps, so nice!

I got this ship about 8 months ago. Had to get it after visiting the ship in Sydney. I would rate it as a good ship and very high skill level required. At the moment im really impressed with the Black and feel this is probably one of the best all round t9 DD's. If you dont have it yet i suggest to put it at the top of your list.

I like it too but I think Daring is still better in a lot of situations because of its better flexibility. For example a CV really ruins a Vampires game easily because it can force you into using a smoke at a bad time, while Daring could just use smoke after smoke and still have plenty left. The missing torps are also huge downside and while 5km hydro is nice Id rather have the longer 3km against random torps. And then there’s the heal and the fact that you could run Cunningham on Daring, which is MASSIVE. Overall its a lot you give away on a ship that costs so much of the most valuable resource in the game

Yeah! Vampire rocks!! Very good video! :) Thanks!

3km vs 5km hydro is a 'bit' better? I'd say that's a total game changer. I've played Groningen so much and have rushed so many DD's in smoke with my 5km hydro, this seems like a Groningen on steroids.

@leonardobaldassarre3911

Жыл бұрын

I think he said bit because Daring's hydro lasts longer but sure, Vampire's is better

Honestly I was gonna grab Sevastopol with my RB points but after seeing Vampire II in action during Clan Battles I decided to grab it. It basically enhances the best parts of Daring minus the heal and torps. That 5km hydro is also a big selling point.

Thanks for the video!

The Vampire still exists. It is a museum ship. Sounds a bit like the Perth.

I have been trying to decide betweeen the Slava and the Vamp for my next RB ship. Vamp looks like a monster.

@Choukai_Chan

Жыл бұрын

Depends which class you want to play. Either are a good pickup for their respective classes. If you want a BB first you should get Ohio first of course, but as you said your next RBS, my guess is you already got her haha. So just grab what your heart tells you to grab, both are great in the current meta.

@matstick199

Жыл бұрын

Slava is a really fun ship, if u have stalin it is just a bigger stalin with better accuracy, u can usually get 2+ citadels per salvo on a broadside target

@wtpiv6041

Жыл бұрын

I’d say go Vamp. Slava was my first ever RB ship way back in the Deadeye Meta. It’s not the same ship it was. I mean it compliments the meta now but your AP damage is poor unless you score citadels and you aren’t as tanky as Kremlin. Most Slava games I’d rather be in Ohio or even Yammy. Just my 2 cents though.

Vampire 2 is good as long as you fighting ordinary ships- tech tree ships! When Ragnar - Småland come nothing can save you! I don't have vampire 2 but thank God I have the 2 best dds hunters in game those two!

@JohnWilliams-sq7cj

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree I have both as well, Vamps leave the cap when I come in.

Are you going to try out the Brisbane when it comes out? Commonwealth version of the smoke mino, super heal and HE.

Love the content, got here early so I thought I'd sneak a question to you. You pointed out you were running more of an AA build on your Patrie, Ive been running pretty much AA builds on all my ships for a while, more so as a meme maybe, but I feel like it does actually do a good job of protecting you from CVs so you can focus on positioning and impacting the game. What are your thoughts on the viability of this? Is it worth while to be able to protect yourself from planes to get favorable positions and not be rooted out, or is it just better to have good equipment to maximize DPS or consumables or whatever?

@TheShopvac

Жыл бұрын

First and foremost, do what you find to be fun! If you have a ship with a strong trait/gimmick, then I'd absolutely build out for that above AA. If you get a basic build on a ship and then there isn't a specific gimmick or strength to enhance, then IMO that's when you throw points into the AA skills.

@cemborembo

Жыл бұрын

I find it too frustrating when I build for AA but a good CV dodges all Flak and dumps on me regardless... and doesn't stop because they know I'm in a good position. If you have fewer problems and find satisfaction in AA builds, sure go ahead! I think skills that suit your playstyle are always better than recommended skills.

I was thinking to get Vampire or Druid i guess im kinda torn between these to choices let me know which one is better

One of my fav ambush DDs in the game 🥰 ...shes a delicate DD tho, with no heal and slow to relocate if you get in trouble, so she must be played very carefully to survive the full match. Play to her strengths tho...and she will murder ANYTHING that stumbles into her kill zones! (And she has "just" the right amount of range on her guns & torps to deal with those pesky 10k radar crusiers!) ...Vampire II is a pure assassin! (And we are gonna get some friggin great! vids from Potato showing this lil beast in action 😍) Kia Kaha Potato 07 ps...please keep your murderous new toy away from me!😂

The most enjoyment I had were while using UK DDs their just very fun to use followed by European DDs & Gun boat line of Japaan. c:

By far the most powerful Destroyer imo, Daring smoke doesnt give you enough time to get anything done and is just a get out of jail free when you screw up. Vamp crawling smoke provides actual utility for a player that knows what they are doing. I know on Asia, smoke screens are the biggest target and everyone blind fires and torpedoes smoke so anything other than a crawling smoke is just objectively worse. If the fuel smoke laster longer that would make it a contender without being broken but the crawling smoke is better due to the ability to temporarily spot and reacquire targets. I always try to position my Vamp on the defensive side of the map and unless I am super unlucky (2-3 overlapping torpedo spreads etc) I can almost always lock down the cap and it single handedly prevents the enemy team from pushing on their strong side. If you want to farm WR, this is *the* ship, period.

@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll

Жыл бұрын

Ragnar eats it for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

0.09 "very fist game in it" 1.53 "and i've been playing quiet a few games with this ship" witch one is true!? ;) love your videos!

Can't underestimate how good a heal is at tier 10, the Daring has one and this doesn't (and daring has more HP too). Shorter and fast vs crawling smoke is dependent on the situation, sometimes you want one and sometimes the other. Longer hydro but shorter is defensive and longer range and crawling is offensive. So the question should be if you have the daring already should i spend all that RB for this ship? IMHOl, it's no worth it. Sure it's a good ship, really is and if you haven't got the daring fill your boots. If you have it already then would give it a miss. A lot more ships have been added that can hard counter the Vamp and than is when you wish you have that heal to keep you live when that happens.

Can you review daring legendary mod now that it has been buffed?

Great vid. Of course it helps to get a match without any CV's or subs, but well played.

Pm you should do a vampire 2 and scheilfen vid

Been using thr vamp 2 in clans and yeah she slaps. I've been told by people that using her AP against broadside dds is actually better than HE.

@wtpiv6041

Жыл бұрын

Same for Daring actually. Found that out in Clan Battles. You can essentially nuke other DDs which helps against the many Shimakazes running around this season.

Gratz on the Vampire. Now you just need a couple Schlieffen to follow you around and you can ruin everyone’s day lol.

Forget steel or research ships...how do you get Pirate Santa??

I just got it last month, it was awesome in the Airship event. I've only used it twice in Clan Battles but both games were good for me. The hydro really makes it work for me.

Thanks. How can you say maybe I'm playing too passive when you're in the cap most of the game and hold them all 😜

The only ship I've ever felt threatened by in Vampire is the Sherman, mostly because it also has the long-range hydro and ridiculous kill time. It's almost an even fight rather than the normal casual murder I inflict on all the lesser DDs ...oh and that one time I faced a radar minotaur. I wasn't ready for that

@ConcealedWeapon

9 ай бұрын

I'd say Friesland/Groeningen are also a threat. They have the hydro, the smoke and dpm too. I own Groeningen and Vampire and I feel Groeningen is a tad quicker to kill other dd's. Of course Vampire torps would help in that stand off as Gr. doesn't have any.

I like Druid and Daring more (just thanks to the heal mostly)

Hey PQ - do you have Druid and if so, do you have any thoughts on how it stacks up vs. Vampire II? I had the choice recently and went with the Druid as I already have a 21 point British commander but Daring is my favorite tech tree ship

@davidpotts7116

Жыл бұрын

I would not even try to compare Vampire and Druid. Druid only has AP shells in two forward turrets, no torps, and higher detectability. The AP shells aren’t even enhanced either, so no better pen angles or higher pen threshold. She’s very mediocre in randoms due to having a very all-in playstyle, but usually good in ranked battles due to shorter engagement times and high dpm, though the dpm is slightly inflated due to only calculating full pens. Vampire still beats it out in every category though.

@AllAhabNoMoby

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpotts7116 Druid has THE best pen angles in the game. Only Mino, Plymouth and Gibraltar match her in that way. She also has a heal. I do agree that Vampire II is a better more versatile ship.

@liirha

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpotts7116 Small correction on the Druid, her AP has Mino pen angles, lower fuse arming threshold and has essentially Kleber ballistics. It is very easy to hit people at long range and the AP will arm and get full pens on everything besides DD superstructure. While the Vampire II is very strong, don't discount the Druid. She is very powerful when played properly.

@capthappy8884

Жыл бұрын

In a 1v1, I would take my vampire EVERY time! With longer range hydro and the crawling smoke, if played right, you'll kill nearly any other dd b4 they see anything other than your smoke. Again, in a scenario where the enemy has no support, no contest.

@liirha

Жыл бұрын

@@capthappy8884 Yes, in a 1v1 the Vampire II is the better DD hunter. But the Druid isn't a 'bad' DD. That was my point.

I only played a few games in Vamp II and was terrible. Which is weird because I do fine in Brit DDS, super strong in Pan Asian DDS etc. but some reason I was getting owned whenever I played Vamp II. I need to revisit it.

Like it a lot but on SEA decent players will blind shoot the tiny smoke bubble relentlessly. Daring is the better ship for me, the ability to have the bigger trip strike is preferable for me.

How did you get pirate santa?

I prefer Daring by far. The Toolkit is so much more versatile

@snorkman2

Жыл бұрын

That's a debate, I prefer the toolkit on the Vampire II, plus there is the secret captain build that she has access to that other DD's don't.

@capthappy8884

Жыл бұрын

Which part is more versatile? The 2k less range of hydro? The worse concealment? The 2k less range on torps?(tho admittedly many more of them) the smokes that won't conceal you long enough to complete a cap? Or perhaps its the darings inability to proactively hunt DDs using the crawling smoke and hydro combo? I could go on. Point is, what i listed above arent opinions, they are objective differences that, if nothing else, create an argument for the toolkit of the vamp being more versatile. While I in no way think the daring is bad, I take issue with the claim its "much more versatile". There are only 2 dds in game that I take seriously as a threat in my vamp. A well played smaland, and a reckless kleb. The rest, including the daring are just food for my vamp!😉 No disrespect intended! o7

@danh7411

Жыл бұрын

Yea, Vampire's smoke is so much more situational, and she has no heal. Either you shoot in smoke (which you can't disable for the next almost 2 minutes and everyone knows where you are) or you die/be useless because you're a big fat slow ship with no heal.

@capthappy8884

Жыл бұрын

@danh7411 sure, getting bailed out Ina pinch with the short smokes are VERY useful! It's why alot of my praise for the vamp comes with a "get lucky with enemy CV" as a caveat. I will whole heartedly concede, that is a major advantage of the daring. However, I'll stand by my ship v ship opinion.

@GodOfWaaar

2 ай бұрын

@@capthappy8884 it's the heal. You can come back from so many scenarios in a Daring, you just die in a Vampire. Yes, the toolkit is more versatile for hunting DDs, but Daring excels in hit and run scenarios, which are way more common in the game. The toolkit of Daring is sufficient for that playstyle and I rank the playstyle higher than the one of Vampire.

How is it in ranked?

Cannot decide what to pick- Vampire II or Druid. Both seem very interesting.

@alexh8402

Жыл бұрын

Same my captain for vampire is not trained at all. But the one for my Druid is.

@wtpiv6041

Жыл бұрын

I went Vampire since I also have Haida for tier 7 ranked and they share a captain. Vamp is usually better for Clan Battles though. But Druid absolutely shreds other DDs.

I like the CS in the cruisers, not sure I'd enjoy it in a DD. I'd rather spot for my team.

Vampire II, or Druid? Nearing enough points to choose.

I understand Mino has a new smoke consumable ability, & it's like this, rolling smoke of excellent duration (saw it via Flamu)

@varanzmaj

Жыл бұрын

really? Minotaur has rolling smoke?

Welcome to the vamp club 😂

love vampire

World of Warships : yesss soo many ships!! WOW Legends : (still in the dark ages)

She gets engine boost, which improves dodging massively, I didn't know that! Daring does not have one.

@michawozniak5492

Жыл бұрын

Daring has it built in.

@cemborembo

Жыл бұрын

@@michawozniak5492 Daring has Acceleration Mod built in, just like Vampire II. Daring does not have a Speed Boost consumable.

Halland is my favorite ship, how does she compare? She looks light on Torps, which kills the ability to assassinate Cruisers and BB's... which is what I mostly do in game. I will cap, but if there are other DD's I tend to let our Cruisers kill them. lol I'm not chicken, I just suck at DDvDD confrontations. 35% is mutual destruction, and that's just not good for team points. lol

Vampire or Druid? Got enough points now.

How does one acquire the Vampire?

@stephen4121

Жыл бұрын

Research Bureau

@JohnWilliams-sq7cj

Жыл бұрын

RB

I have both Druid and Vampire II. They are not easy to play but they are powerful. Druid can beat any DD in the game, even Ragnar. Vampire is more fun but I still prefer Druid for competitive matches.

@JohnWilliams-sq7cj

Жыл бұрын

Druid may heat a badly played ragnar if he sits there and let you farm him. But ragnar will burn the druid doqn as druid can only sit next to an island and try to faem. Ragnar can hot druid from across thebstreet.and then come in with speed burt abd torp him. Better off using a radar mino than a druid.

@longthai9091

Жыл бұрын

​@@JohnWilliams-sq7cj I have ragnar, 7.5km radar is not so much, you have yo get close to enemy dd, and if you want to use both 2 turrets, Druid can pen that 25mm easily. It is very very hurt xD.

""I hate that ship"" Because I don't have it and therefore can only fight against it lol

Vampire is an interesting ship but tbh daring is just better yeah you have like 6k more HE dpm and a better hydro range for shorter duration but it dosen't come close to the strength of the daring and ohio slava Colbert are the first 3 ships you should get ohio being the first and then it is your choice

In a fight 1v1, Vampire vs Z-42, who would be better?

@campbem11

Жыл бұрын

Does the Z42 have 6km hydro? If so, I would go with Z

@webguardweb8177

Жыл бұрын

@@campbem11 6km

@JohnWilliams-sq7cj

Жыл бұрын

Even fight

@Psychodogstick

Жыл бұрын

It's close depends on ensuring the Vamp goes nose in and using AP assuming the Z is using all turrets

Wait, you can turn off your smoke!?

@campbem11

Жыл бұрын

No, you cannot turn it off

What do I think,....I want an vampire wifi 😂......🏹🤠👍

the waves are not safe any more. 😛

Just read the entire chat ! Non toxic, intelligent, and interesting, what's goin' on in here lol ? Great stuff.👋 😎🍺

Div this up with 2 Schlieffens and profit

I got it long ago, way before I got Ohio.. It is a very good ship indeed.

I loved Dota, but the overwhelming variety of heroes and their comprehensive departure from lore coupled with hybridization made me not like Dota 2 as much. But a lot of people like it anyway. And its truly free to play, and you can make your own team. Its very successful too.

The ability to poke out of the smoke and spot then wait for the smoke and shoot again for 2 minutes really seems unfair esp. against gunboat DDs. Since you let people know where you are with smoke so often have you considered surveillance radar? I've always found it super useful on DDs esp when inside smoke to make sure you don't get snuck up on and for the end of game cleanup.

Vampire, The Sequel

This video has finalized my decision. Vampire over Druid

I like the Vampire II but there is no point for me to obtain her. I suck in the Daring so I see no reason to assume I would be better in this one.

I can't win in any ship, think I'm gonna start playing subs and aircraft carriers.

It's NOT an easy ship to play, but it's a strong ship. There are Lots of counters already and the new Euro DD's will hard counter it aswell. You may have buyers remorse spending research points on this now as it's best value has passed and is on the decline.

@JohnWilliams-sq7cj

Жыл бұрын

This is true I counter Vamps all day with my Smally and Rag. Z42 my counter it as a cap king as well.

PQ: I'm playing a bit too passive... Damage Counter: Ticking over 93k

Daring better IMO. At t10, radar negates crawling smoke and hydro. Daring better all around.

@capthappy8884

Жыл бұрын

Sure....but radar can negate those advantages in a daring too. Only 2 advantages daring has over vamp is more torps, and a heal. Meanwhile, vamp has better hydro, lower detection, longer range torps, better HE dpm, and I'm sure I'm forgetting something. Point is, your opinion is valid, but to call the daring "better all around" is very debatable! o7

@palma1245

Жыл бұрын

@@capthappy8884 Opinions vary.

@capthappy8884

Жыл бұрын

@palma1245 indeed! And since an opinion is subjective, its own nature invites questioning, debate, and sometimes a shift or outright change in that opinion. In this case, liking or disliking something is an unimpeachable opinion. Claiming something is better or worse includes some things that are objective as well as subjective and therefore is more inviting of debate. No matter how it's broken down, my disagreeing with your opinion comes with absolutely no disrespect or demeaning intent! o7

@JohnWilliams-sq7cj

Жыл бұрын

Realistically vamp is the best cap holder until Smaland and Ragnar vome around. I have all three.

Should have mentioned that the reason it's called the "Vampire two" is because because according to WeeGee the player-base is dumb. Source=multiple former CC's & the old man himself, Jingles.

Rule Brittania 😂

Hugely effective smoke you take with you as you murder BBs with impunity using HE spamming small calibre guns. CVs and Subs are not the ONLY reason this game keeps getting worse. Perhaps even more incredible is that WG continues to find ways to make it more and more arcade, so stuffed full with brainless gimmicks that it would be a good thing if WG were to remove recognisable ship types and replace them with various arbitrary shapes; they sure as hell have less and less relation to the reality of naval tech and performance of the period.

just got Haland

Time for you to do a div with 2 friends who have Shlieffen!