“I’ll just bypass these fuses here” - Death

@adamwhite2364

Жыл бұрын

That's getting into 8-bit guy troubleshooting right there 😂

Unstable supply voltage/dead caps. You hear all that noise through the speaker because of all that electrical noise on one (or more) power lines.

The number of times I watched in horror, uttering *"hoh god"* under my breath at the freakish ways you wrestled with this poor machine make the title of this video very much earned.

@CoreyDeWalt

Жыл бұрын

R.I.P. the harddrive that fell over

@mica7191

Жыл бұрын

Good old trinity... Apple II, Commodore PET, and Tandy TRS-80

@mica7191

Жыл бұрын

I just LOVE retro computing... It is way more interesting... than these today's enthoos boasting about Threadrippers and RTX 4090s... I started with sister's boyfriend's Presario 700 which had Monster Truck Madness 2 on it...

@TechnicalSpecter

2 ай бұрын

​@@mica7191 "Man I really hate modern computing because you can get a 64 core processor and a 4090 for $10,000 instead of, you know, a sub gigahertz processor, and 12mb of ram. Oh and I also love how every company was acting like apple today with proprietary parts for every line of computers." I like retro computing too. But y'all are blinded by nostalgia. Everything is wayyyyyyy better today.

@mica7191

2 ай бұрын

@@TechnicalSpecter I will never understand some tech enthusiast channels like LinusTechTips... They are over the top... I will always have to afford a used pc... because I'm from a rural area in Croatia... and not from Canada like godmotherfucking Linus

"I have no idea if theyre blown or not" So test continuity with a multimeter?

@ScottDuensing

Жыл бұрын

Glad I wasn't the only one yelling at the screen. 🙂

@JonneBackhaus

Жыл бұрын

This right here...

@erikvincent5846

3 ай бұрын

Yup

The Tandy is acting like it's not getting enough power. I'd suggest doing a full recap of the other power supply also. One way to test weak power supply power is to unplug the HDD and see if that improves overall performance, as the HDD is the biggest power consumer in that machine; The backlight being the second-largest power consumer. Also consider testing and recapping the motherboard itself. And, while some people might balk, I'd suggest replacing EVERY electrolytic cap I see. Nothing lasts forever, and IMO, it would help to resolve a lot of electrical gremlins. It just depends on how much you want to invest in these machines.

You're not getting consistent power in. The noise your hearing is due to noise on your power lines interfering with the speaker, the reason you're hearing a difference in tone when accessing the floppy is likely evidence of this. The power supply needs some further work and it would be a good idea to recap the motherboard and have a close at the power rails to make each component is getting an adequate supply.

The one that only lets the fan spin for a split second before turning off again might be caused by shorted tantalum capacitors on the motherboard.

1701-C? Congrats on your Ambassador class Tandy.

@CygnusTM

Жыл бұрын

My regards to Captain Garrett.

1701 means hard disk controller error. Light blinking and disk spinning down indicates the drive has an error code to report (which it is blinking out). The drive thus is not responding to commands and thus the controller reports an error.

As a certain youtuber named Alec often says: "Through the magic of buying 2 of them!"

@Squonk06

Жыл бұрын

I thought it might be a deliberately off-brand reference.

There's almost never a good reason to jump a fuse. Either it's blown because there's some other faulty component that's drawing too much current, or there's some other problem that hasn't caused the fuse to blow. Either way, check the continuity of the fuse and if it's blown you need to figure out why it blew, not just replace it with a wire. If you do that and the problem is still there, it could possibly draw a lot more current and cause even more damage. First step is always thou shalt check voltages. You should be able to see if a rail is loaded down. The fact that the screen dims under load should be pretty visible on the multimeter. If you haven't already replaced all the caps in the power supply, that would be a good start. I'd also check the diodes and transistors, make sure they're not shorted something. Also check the transformer to make sure there's no shorted windings, or shorts between the windings. That capacitor falling on the motherboard could also have caused something to blow, which is now loading down a power rail as well. Anyway, that's a good start for your homework. Please turn in your copybook once you've completed the assigned exercises.

@DerSchoermbro

Жыл бұрын

I was internally screaming all the time he did that, I mean checking the fuse and recapping the PSU should be the first thing when you see the screen flickering when something drawes power...

You and your time traveling shenanigans sneaking into Sep-Tandy at the last minute Action Retro. You win this round 😁

@minty_Joe

Жыл бұрын

"Evil shenanigans!" "I swear to almighty I'll pistol-whip the next person who says 'shenanigans'." 🤣

Maybe test the fuse with a multimeter first? You wouldn’t even have to take it out.

The screaming noise is probably due to poor filtering on the power rails. Could also be the cause of some of the other weirdness. This could easily be due to the other caps in the power supply being bad, despite not looking bad, and not filtering the power rails properly.

Ok on fuses, you can use continuity checks on a multi-meter. Also with that much corrosion, you also need to check the continuity between traces on the board itself, because that level of corrosion most likely ate away some of the traces.

@tndabone

Жыл бұрын

I'm watching this in horror, thinking "JUST CHECK THE CONTINUITY!!!, WHERE'S YOUR METER???? WTF????" , I'm currently at 8:03 so I don't know what happens next.

@ericwazhung

Жыл бұрын

Especially vias, I've found...

@bfapple

Жыл бұрын

Echo the comments above. I was so nervous…

@drewzero1

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. If you don't have a meter, I highly recommend one that beeps for continuity so you don't have to look away from the probes while testing.

Seems like one of the drives is browning out the system. Or maybe the floppy controller. You should put volt-meters on all the voltage rails and measure them when its trying to do stuff.

Technology Connections' "by the magic of buying two of them" has got to be the best way to solve a problem.

That floppy drive might be 720K. Try using a 720K boot disk.

I would probably try measuring the power supply voltages. Most likely 5 and 12 volts with a teensy bit of -12 for the serial port. Replacing caps wholesale is not the very best strategy, better to measure them first with a cap and ESR meter. It’s best to have some guidance from the measurements. Ad one is likely to maybe goof up on replacing 10% of the parts so fewer repairs is better.

Im happy you decided to do a full recap! Visual inspection of caps just tells you they look nice, nothing more. When a friend donated a Macintosh Performa 450to me he tested it and it was working. I got it a few days later and it was stone dead. PSU caps where leaking everywhere and it was fresh! The problem was that o-rings dry up, they get hot during first power up and dont expand with the casing so they leak and die after that. Fixed the PSU, it powered up but the FDD had a lot of issues, one was leaky caps with corrosion. I was swabbing of the paint apple put on them during manufacturing, I wanted to read the specs printed on top of the SMD electrolytics hidden under the paint. The dam caps fell strait off LOL! Looked like traces and pads where gone, brown corrosion crap everywhere. Cleaned it off with vinegar and I found perfectly good copper under the corrosion. Recaped it, cleaned the heads (did not read or write properly), and eventually got i working properly again. Still have to do the MB but will do that once I found a replacement for the HDD. But I would not be surprised if the lose caps in your machine just detached them self's, old electrolyte seems pretty corrosive compared to more modern stuff and the legs just corrodes off the pads. Im sure you get it going with some fresh caps and probably a few more fixes, often other stuff are broken too, not just caps but lets hope not. Good luck and see you in part 2!

always love me some questionable computer shenanigans! they really help me recently with what i've been dealing with in my life

Bypassing fuses: "if he dies, he dies"

That's the beautiful sound of electrical interference. There's probably a bunch of caps and resistors on the filter side of the psu that need help.

If it's anything like the early ZDS XT laptops, the hdd controller did not report in bios the drive size. Regarding the floppy used - was it single density? Some of those old laptops were single density only.

you are my favorite youtuber i love your humor and i love the shenanigan's that you put these older machines through

I find it interesting that this PSU is *completely different* from the one in my 1400LT, despite the rest of the system being so similar.

The 8086vic-20 chip architecture tells me the drive is a 720K floppy drive. Using a 720K boot floppy (not 1.44) should get you up and running. The physical difference you should be able to see is if there is a hole opposite the write-protect tab. I;ve had to cover the hole in the past to get the disk to get a 1.44 to format as a 720K. Of course, you could always install a 360K drive for testing on the bench. Tandy units tend to power over the data cable, so without seeing the connections on the drives themselves, a little difficult to know. If the HDD is dead, best to pull the card and drive for testing, that way the controller isn't hanging the bios on startup. It is possible the drives are working, just a LLF is needed. I suspect the light tube in the LCD may be worn out and is dragging down the power supply. They can be a pain to replace, but it is doable. If you need some tools, let me know and I"ll send you a few that you may be able to use. Let me know if you have issues/questions, as these 8-bit units (8086's) were how I started in the computing industry back in the day.

Hey Sean. You absolutely need to recap those power supplies. They use esr parts which allows for rapid discharge, but they've long given up the ghost. Do not just buy random caps for this, need to match parts. I can help you with this if you need

@oldtechnobodycaresabout

Жыл бұрын

Of Rochester? Like the Medway town?

@AmigaofRochester

Жыл бұрын

@@oldtechnobodycaresabout new york

I'd love to make a Raspberry Pi cyberdeck out of one of those.

@JosiahGould

Жыл бұрын

Put the Pi on an expansion card to replace the modem. Full original hardware with the power of a Pi on a bootable card.

@drewzero1

Жыл бұрын

@@JosiahGould There was a post on Hackaday last week showing how someone built a PCMCIA wifi card using an RP2040. I've found a standard Pi fits nicely in the case from a US Robotics Speedster modem, and can connect a hardware serial port on the GPIO pins.

Gotta love a good old Tandy. Really love how they look!

I really appreciate the capture of (mostly) the whole process. Good times!

Frustrating but you are making progress. Looking forward towards your next video! Thanks for sharing

Sean: I got a Tandy! Me: Oh neat! It'll be a Tandy 1000 or a 3000HD or... Sean: It's a luggable Me: So you have chosen death

Cute little computer. Floppy probably just needs a good clean, maybe has some sheered gear teeth. I would never expect such an ancient hard drive to just boot. Probably stiction or crashed heads. The 'voltage regulator' is most likely the step-up transformer for the backlight display. Remember to completely clean the boards before and after re-capping and watch out for loose pieces of solder. The power supply is still suspect and may not be delivering enough power to the drives.

could it be... that square rectangle thought to be a fuse is also a filter? I hear low voltage power emanating from the power supply.

2:33 - IBM really wanted that "sidecar" concept to be a thing...

Maybe you could temporarily substitute the PSU by an old AT or ATX one, just to see if it's a power issue. Also, those fuses really should be left as if there is a problem you don't risk passing high voltage to the main board. In a bind, you could just hot-wire a barrel fuse in it's place.

@SimonQuigley

Жыл бұрын

My temporary fuse replacement is usually a single tiny strand of wire, which is basically a fuse without the glass/container, or a piece of solder, because it melts pretty quickly if there's a problem.

Gotta love the "I don't care how you make it work, just make it work or else!" engineering of the old machines. ;)

17:56 Perhaps back in the day or sometime in its life, someone pulled that capacitor off and replaced the card, but didn't continue disassembly to retrieve it. That's the only thing I can think of.

The thing I love about your repair videos is that you share the same bemused frustration I do when I hit another dead end. Good work though!

great video and great quality content as usual

The sounds this thing makes reminds me so much of the SavestoLink terminals in alien...

You still have a power issue. That squealing is noise from the power supply. Bad filter caps, could be bad caps on the motherboard as well. The dimming of the display shows me that the voltages are sagging when the drive motors activate.

you should have gotten a 1400LT they are much more reliable and you can get a cf card adapter for it so you can keep both the dual floppies and still have a cf hdd. I did that to mines and its a blast using it!

The hard drive itself may have some leaky capacitors and/or the actuator motor may be frozen. Had both issues on some of my more ancient laptops. Dunno if these drives work now (as one machine is still dead and the others don't have a BIOS so I can even tell them that they *have* a hard drive), but at least the drives now pass their self test as in they spin up, wait another second, then the actuator arm moves around, parks itself, drive LED turns off and the drive stays on.

New subscriber here! This fight remembered me a lot trying to work out my parents 286..386 and 486 in my teens even not being a tech guy. My dad actually is a IT guy and had some of these machines around for our use at home (like laser printers in mid 90s) . Thanks for the memories!

Urgh... I got shivers remembering trying to play Catacomb 3D on a 286 with a screen similar to this. It was a blurry headache inducing mess of neon red streaks.

I found an XT-IDE Compact Flash card that fits in the expansion slot of the 1400LT, pretty useful for the dual-floppy systems.

20:10 "Re-Cap Everything!" should be on a shirt.

A good rule of thumb when it comes to blown fuses is to always assume something blew it. With that in mind, bypassing one with a wire link like that is usually a bad idea, and you're lucky you didn't blow up something else on the PSU. The first thing to do would be to look for dead shorts from any of the voltage rails to ground, and across AC. Then, check the diodes and the legs of any transistors, power regulators, etc for shorts. If everything looks good, unplug everything from the PSU and stick another similarly-rated fuse in the circuit and see if that one blows. too. If it doesn't, start looking for shorts on the input side of things. The first rule of electronics troubleshooting is always check voltages. After you get your fuse problem squared away, check the +12v, +5, -5v, if it exists, and any other rails indicated by the service manual or any other documentation you can find. Often, a screen will dim or a hard drive will fail to spin up because they're getting several volts under spec. Leaky and dead caps can certainly cause this problem, but resistors can also drift out of spec, and voltage regulators often fail. A lot of PSUs have trim pots that allow you to adjust the rail voltages up & down, which might take care of the problem, too.

Nice! And I hear you on the PC Convertible.. it's a CHUNK! IBM later fixed at least one sin by adding a backlit display, but as to why they didn't release the initial model with a backlit display is beyond me!

I take it you did a continuity test on that fuse and it was open, which is why you temporarily replaced it with wire.

this thing is really built like a small PC in a portable case! it's really cool

I've always liked the design language of Tandy portables/laptops.

This reminds me of PSUs inside an X68000. You should consider making a custom PCB that holds a PicoPSU. That will make the unit work correctly forever with modern protection that this PSU doesn’t have.

Oh no! He's learned the true power of Technology Connections - That is, the power of buying TWO OF THEM!

@dokols

Жыл бұрын

*magic

I wonder where you get all these amazing retro PCs 💪🙏

Only 25 years old and I love this channel and old tech. Love your awkward skits

AR: I'm gonna bypass these fuses with little bits of wire me, who has an ASE in electrical systems: That is so incredibly stupid on so many different levels

Sometimes to check just how bad the PSU is, i try to replace it by wiring up a standard PC PSU, however that implies figuring out the voltages for each pin.

SepTandy lives on, and we look forward to future shenanigans in getting this machine restored to former glory!

i just fixed up a pentium 100 laptop and its working nicely, upgraded the ram to 40mb (32mb module + 8mb onboard), and a 32gb 2.5 IDE SSD from amazon. i have Windows 95 C on it.

Try to find a service manual for it if you can. The Tandy service manuals were very useful, and quite thorough for the most part. I used one of the LT1400's back in the day to write work procedures for our division on the boat.

Have you tried big hammer? Computers fear the big hammer

The colour of the back light is a really nice on mine. It also goes a lot brighter than what it looks in this video.

Why wouldn't you just test the fuse with a multimeter? Also, if the fuse is blown it might be for a reason.

@TekuSPZ

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

Omg. That's the model... I've been looking for this long lost gem of my childhood.

The first two videos I've watched of this channel are of you trying (and failing) to revive a dead laptop. It's very funny desu.

It's September 31, 2022, so you're good!

1701-C ... Dude, looks like you've got Enterprise hardware goin on there... ;)

Oh wow, I also have a 1400FD that needs some repairs. I have a PDF version of the service manual for the 1400LT that might be applicable to the other 2 in the series.

small board is probably screen backlight module and it could shock you if it is cold cathode drove also the dimm and blinky backlight might be a sign your power suply is marginal, does voltages but caps are so worn out it lost all current sinking capacity the one that only spins a fan and stops is looking like is smart enough to shoot down on a short circuit protection so either you replaced something wrong, or it is still having some acid under some components and don't like it or the motherboard itself have a short try checking 12V line and 5 v lines on the working computer while it is in it's almost working oryginal state and monitor if any voltage go down when it dims down then trace a capacitor in power suply that is on that line and replace it before it blows up, repeat untill happy or no capacitors left also check if power brick is ok, because if that is oryginal brick it may be cascading problems into working power suply , best would be starting with known good or even new power brick with the same polarisation and voltage, although new power suply can be more picky with overcurent protections and not even work anyway, garbling noises and drives making wierd things while trying to work is often a sign of not having enough power to run, i had the same situation in modern security camera recorder, 12 power suply that wasn't enough to power up tha hard drive but was able to boot the system due to it working from different power rail and taking less power

You have been my recent alternative to the old Druaga1 videos that I solomly miss. You find a better format actually editing your videos though. :)

I would totally concur about it being a power issue. The fact that the whining changes when you change the Vreg, the dimming when drives are accessed etc. all screams unstable power. Methinks that 2nd power supply has issues.

I've got a Tandy 1400 LT (it's the same machine, just with an extra floppy drive and no HDD.) Mine works just fine :).

Wow, I had one of those, it was my first ever laptop. I got it for free because it had a dead charging circuit, I replaced a burned out resister and it started working again, so I guess it cost me 12 cents. I used it for years.

"Fan spin!" Louis Rossman would be proud.

lol still loving the skits!

I like the low lighting.

You bounce around in the chair like a championship winning chess player. Just pickin', love the channel and love vicariously dealing with computer issues ever new video.

The PC Convertible took a lot of design queues from the PCjr. Not the best choice for 'portability'.

I am old enough to recall all sorts of the luggable computers back in the 1980s and even back then i thought it was kinda ridiculous to hauling the heavy things around.

Take a shot every time he says "heh" xD.

That's worrying. I should check mine to make sure the caps aren't leaking. Last time I opened it up was probably about 7 or 8 years ago and it looked fine.

A battle of epic proportions.

aren't those technically luggable computers? i have a zenith portable that looks like a big laptop, heavy weighs a bit more than 10 pounds. has no battery, runs on 110volts. only battery it had was a cmos battery which i removed, thank god it didnt leak on the board

Bought one of these earlier this year. Got so fed up trying to fix it that I sold it on after a couple of months. So cool but so janky.

@waytostoned

Жыл бұрын

The 286 systems are even worse! I have 3 and not 1 works...

Love your vids Sean, but watching this one whilst reading the comments made me think of “Don’t Do What Donny Don’t Does” (re: not using a multimeter, shorting a blown fuse, etc etc) 😂

I love your videos you always make things interesting even when they don't go as planned and I can see tech I did not know was a thing, and love how you have whiteboard guy

Dude! NEC stands for Nippon Electric Company, Ltd. and is generally not pronounced as "neck", but as Enn Eee See. My first IBM Compatible was powered by V20 chip. For its day, it was fast.

I will say that the message "Disk Boot Failure" comes from the boot sector.

i think i wanted one of these when they were new. i'd stare the Consumers Distributing catalogue wondering how i'd ever have money to buy one. i was probably nine years old.

For American Samoa your upload almost hit Sep. 30th... missed it by 3 hrs.

If I were testing a system with the PSU open/dismantled, I would plug it into a power strip which is switched off, turn the power switch on the computer on, and THEN turn on the power strip. That way your hands are away from the PSU when switching the system on.

Yeah, I don't trust a single one of those caps. If one has leaked, any others that you ignore could leak. Recapping the whole thing is definitely the right course. You should be able to test the fuses with continuity mode on a multimeter. if blown, you can get replacements easily. Digikey is my go to parts supplier, but there's other places you can use too.

Wow I have exactly a 1400HD. I found it in my mother’s garage after she passed away. Have no idea where it came from, certainly nothing she’d ever have used. Probably dead as a door nail but I don’t have a power supply for it. Someday I’ll have to troubleshoot that thing.

*Never replace a fuse with a random wire.* A protection fuse blows to prevent catastrophic damage. Replacing it with a wire almost guarantees the release of White Smoke™ from the funeral pyre of a now deceased machine.

Speaker shrieks could be caps on board. At least that’s a symptom on some macs,

The board of "getting old stuff on the internet ltd." needs a status report on that Tandy! There is a critical shortage of old stuff on the internet! Just today, I had a conversation with two redditors, *not using old stuff!*

I think we should all chip in and get him a multimeter. 🙂