MJ 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

@shawnvanderstaay1929

Жыл бұрын

Larry bird is the real goat

@beepbeep8366

Жыл бұрын

​@@shawnvanderstaay1929 Larry bird is a bird not a goat 👍👍👍

@abiliran

Жыл бұрын

@@beepbeep8366 🤣

@nutshell223

Жыл бұрын

@@shawnvanderstaay1929 8ik

@y.v.n.gvidsstuff1057

Жыл бұрын

​@@shawnvanderstaay1929Larry is a bird not a goat

He's not disrespecting Lebron, he's spitting facts!

@harlemsanchez637

Жыл бұрын

Approved

@johnericflores8084

Жыл бұрын

Yup he's telling the truth and facts no hate no disrespect just facts

@inf4mousvloglife1572

Жыл бұрын

Agree 💯

@lilmik551

Жыл бұрын

N lebron fans jus cant get that mj Is jus better n every measure of basketball u can measure period n it hurts there heart

@robertthabassheadjacobson

Жыл бұрын

He is but he is biased lol i am too jordan is the goat but he went savage on my boy bron bron

LeBron gives us many reasons to dislike (not hate) him: 1. He claimed he was the G.O.A.T. after winning his 3rd ring in Cleveland even though it was Kyrie that won it for them 2. He's arrogant (for the reason above) and he doesn't act like a Leader except when it suits his best interests. 3. Always accepts the credit when he wins but never the blame for when he loses. 4. Seems more concerned about Stat Padding moreso than winning, just look at the Scoring Record Game....they lost but he seemed only concerned with breaking the record. Even AD confirmed this with his last comment. 5. Instead of sticking it out with a team for his career he only wants to go and team up with other Superstars to win rings and pad his Stats. Sorry it seems like a lot but Bron gives us a lot of ammo for us to shoot him with.

@PzoThePlug

Жыл бұрын

understandable

@DBZeni

Жыл бұрын

1. He said he felt like the goat when he gave Cleveland their first ring in 50+ years his own state. Jordan thought he was the greatest, so did kobe etc. 2. Most of his teammates say he is a great leader. Same with coaches etc. So thats your opinion. 3.He has blamed himself for loses, thats another lie. 4.if you saw the record breaking game you wouldve seen the rest of the team was throwing bricks INCLUDING AD who finished with 13 points. Why would he be concerned when he was guaranteed to break the record no matter what lmao. 5. Lebron stuck with cleveland for 7 years and they got nobody. He has never asked for a trade and has only left in free agency. Every person that has won a ring has had a star player next to them. The only one thats arguable is Dirk.

@soldierviejo8224

Жыл бұрын

@BATBR0 No he said that one right there made him the Greatest of All Time Go search it here on Yt....regardless I never claimed Jordan did it all by himself but Bron's fans are quick to make claims when he wins y'all imply it was because of him but when he lose y'all blame his teammates or claim he didn't have enough help. Bottom line is I put down what I have seen and what I hear from James' own mouth and actions. If it bothers you regarding my opinion then that isn't my problem. I spoke facts!!

@DBZeni

Жыл бұрын

@soldierviejo you clearly didn't read his entire statement. What some of his fans say about him losing because he had no help has nothing to do with what you said. You said lebron never takes the blame when thats a lie. As for your last point you cant say its my opinion and then say im speaking facts. Thats an oxymoron.

@soldierviejo8224

Жыл бұрын

@BATBR0 Bron took the blame once, now he's trying to pin the Lakers failure on AD. Y'all might give Bron a pass for everything and make up miles of excuses for him but I won't.

"It's so many GOATs in this game." No. There's only 1 GOAT. It's literally in the acronym. Greatest Of All Time.

@Wulf677

Жыл бұрын

Came to say this.

@erikw9233

Жыл бұрын

lol my thoughts exatcly lebron is not the goat hes simply this dudes favorite player

@aigdallas

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he was saying greatest in a different MULTIVERSE LOL greatest of all TIMES 😂😂😂so maybe in a different timeline 😂😂

@GhostNinjaTactical

Жыл бұрын

Yup.. there could be only 1. And it’s Michael Jordan.

@TheCultureTV773

Жыл бұрын

Lebron isn’t consistent overall especially in the playoffs his numbers goes down while mj went up

The MJ vs LeBron makes for the best barbershop argument ever, but if you lived during the MJ ERA you wouldn’t even consider it a valid argument.

@bryce253

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I've not heard one person who has watched both Jordan and Lebron's careers be confused about this. .....not one. Watching highlight clips doesn't contain context. You would have to watch the games to understand all the context and intangibles.

@rickcastillo3573

Жыл бұрын

Facts. Jordan was a beast.

@strygwyr5735

6 ай бұрын

Was born in 94. didnt even get to see mj live in action. Just watched his games on hardwood classics. Watched bron since spurs up to like 16 vs bandwagon gsw (i was actually rooting for bron that finals cos it was absurd how kd and steph teamed up). That said, it didnt confuse me why mj is better. It was apparent cos of how kobe is more fierce, clutch and overall better than bron.

@johndodo2062

5 ай бұрын

It's not much of an argument for people with eyes and brains

@johndodo2062

5 ай бұрын

​@strygwyr5735 kobe put lebron to shame, not only with his play but the way the fans loved him. I didn't like him much honestly until he died. Then I started watching some videos of his career and started to realize that Shaq helped carry them, but so did kobe, arguably just as much even when he was really young. The two he won after Shaq left cemented him in the top 5 at least. I honestly have lebron outside the top 10. His attitude alone pays him below 5 or 6 other guys that ask have more titles and they never colluded to create super teams. They worked with what they had to climb the mountain. Just like Jordan did. Without hesitation I would take a healthy 38 year old Jordan over a healthy 33 year old lebron. Michael was able to put up 50 multiple times at age 40 with two bad knees and people were still playing defense at that time. Maybe if lebron stayed in Cleveland until Kylie got there, then they won 2 or 3 titles, that would have meant more than all the finals trips lebron got carried to. The 6 blowout losses in the finals take so much away I don't get how people pretend those don't matter.

If Lebron would just stop calling himself the greatest ever he wouldn't be getting compared to Jordan so much. Lebron is great but he's nowhere near MJ he brought all of this on himself and it's probably not going to stop lol

@Lordlt82

Жыл бұрын

Any man that says I am the king is no true king. - Tywin lanister

@edwardmesina

Жыл бұрын

Truth right here.

@edwardmesina

Жыл бұрын

But MJ is still my GOAT.🐐

@inf4mousvloglife1572

Жыл бұрын

True...

@jaymarhenry807

Жыл бұрын

Don't say you the G.O.A.T. if you don't wanna be compared to the real 1

I love that you are open about your reactions. The truth of the matter is that LeBron is racking up accumulative stats but MJ retired twice in his prime. If MJ didn’t retire, this wouldn’t even be relevant. He would’ve easily had at least 8 championships in a row and his numbers would be absolutely insane. This debate is fun to fill time but it’s still ridiculous to compare anyone to Jordan yet. LeBron is amazing but he’s still not close to MJ. As a 40 yr old, I’m still patiently waiting to see somebody exceed his ability.

@whenisdinner2137

Жыл бұрын

Michael Jordan if he never retired would have had at least 43,000 points. Imagine if dude came into the league out of high school like LeBron

@mikehammer1777

Жыл бұрын

@@whenisdinner2137 They don't want to talk about that. It took Lebron 18 years to catch MJ in scoring, meanwhile MJ played 15 years with 2 retirements......the comparison is a joke.

@mikehammer1777

Жыл бұрын

@@ea11111 You’re aware that MJ swept Shaq, Penny and the Magic in ‘96 to obtain their 4th title..I do not believe Shaq and the Magic would have posed a meaningful threat to the Bulls.

@vincequiroga6761

Жыл бұрын

@@ea11111 I think that you are accurate after 98, but I really believe that the Bulls would’ve continued winning during the first retirement period. I’m from San Antonio and I agree that the Spurs would’ve continued to dominate during Timmy’s prime era

@matthewwarbington4125

Жыл бұрын

@@ea11111 yeah in 1998 i think he knew his era was over he could have stayed around for 7th in lockout season but however lots of drama so the bulls ended as quickly as they came and even if he tired to get the team back together they where only productive atleast 5 years after the bulls dynasty ended could have mabye gone for anothr team and stayed at that level for another 4-5 years mabye who know but yeah eras come to a end look at the show time lakers when magic retired worthy followed and everything was not the same till kobe shaq came along

Dude - I also lived through and saw both in person. I love LeBron, dude is a stud and I also love his BB IQ. But simply put, nobody compares to Jordan. Stats, eye test, however you want to assess it. He was just different. I can attest to the fact that the game was SOOO much more physical in the Jordan.

@Alexandros_Alpha

9 ай бұрын

MJ was from another dimension, not human. He vibed some kind of energy. It was sooo funny to see the terror in the eyes of his opponent's. We 're talking about some Mike Tyson terror.

It only sounds like attacking because anytime somebody hears truth against somebody they love they call it hate

@serv5000

Жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯 FACTS....

@syclonepanda1047

Жыл бұрын

@@serv5000 Well said! 100% facts. It's a natural response, but still facts don't lie, that's why they are facts lol.

@serv5000

Жыл бұрын

@@syclonepanda1047 Very true 👍

That’s not even a question who’s better lol if you really know basketball it’s Jordan and it ain’t even debatable

I've been fortunate enough to watch Jordan as a youngster and to the question on "who would you select to take the final shot in clutch situation?" My top three are: 1. Michael Jordan 2. Kobe Bryant 3. Michael Jordan on his bad day. I was able to see him live once and he had an off day on that game. He only scored 33.

@blowc1612

Жыл бұрын

Would take Bird over Kobe taking the shot.

@youtubenightcrawler9571

Жыл бұрын

Bird.

@bryonmiller4326

Жыл бұрын

I would pick: 1. Bird 2. Bird 3. Bird

@havok5538

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 You a fool for that one.... 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@havok5538

Жыл бұрын

​​@@bryonmiller4326You are not wrong Larry Clutch Bird The surprise was when Bird missed a shot....they all looked good But Jordan is still my guy

LJ breaking the scoring record is simply due to his longevity which is a great achievement. But you have to remember if MJ didn’t retire those 2 years MJ would have the record and would have done it in much less time. And MJ admitted that he didn’t play for stats, he played for rings.

@Mallel92

Жыл бұрын

And it also took Lebron almost 100 yes 100 more games to hit 30k points to match jordan 😂

@ritzfamily6423

Жыл бұрын

Adding to the fact that currently Lebron has almost 39000 points in year 20. Every statistical analysis has shown if Jordan played this long and stayed injury free like lebron, he'd be over 45k at this point. The man was just an entirely different beast. Lebron is number 2 for sure but it's downright insulting for people to even entertain the idea he's better than Jordan.

@javanmason2969

Жыл бұрын

@@ritzfamily6423lots of people say Lebron’s is number 2, but I don’t get how people don’t put Kobe at number 2 when he was the closest thing to a Jordan clone. Kobe pretty much took up the mantle and ran with it for years even through part of Lebron’s career until he tore his Achilles.

@okeythegoat2332

10 ай бұрын

@@javanmason2969lebron vs Kobe is not even close. Pls don’t let me pull up the stats and head to head matchups 😭😭😭but lebron ain’t a killa 😮

@okeythegoat2332

10 ай бұрын

Lebron is the greatest of all time 🤫

I was born in '79 and I feel bad for basketball fans who didn't get to witness MJ's career in person, on live tv, and through the impact he made around the entire world during that time. Jordan's influence on our lives stretched far beyond basketball.

@demonpride1975

9 ай бұрын

watching mj dunk was amazing, watching him deke people out of their sneakers was jaw dropping.

Lebron for his career is only shooting 37% outside of 3 feet and in the playoffs that goes down to 31%. This shows he has a big weakness in his game and that's in the midrange where Jordan was the best in history. If you combine this fact with Jordan being SIGNIFICANTLY better defensively and also the massive failures in the finals that Lebron has (particularly against Dallas where he collapsed and was outscored by Jason Terry) that Jordan didn't have at all since he was 6-0 it really isn't much of a contest.

@roboninja3194

Жыл бұрын

Big facts 💯This nonsense where this man is "They just hating now." Or "We gotta respect the legends." The video is showing #s and spitting facts. This is how Lebron fans deal with facts and actual data. They're in denial. They're incapable of accepting the fact that Lebron has manipulated his image like no other star player has. Klutch Sports is paying how many analysts on tv right now to push Kobe out of the goat debate and push Lebron to #1 or #2? Perk, Shannon, Nick Wright, etc. FFS Shannon Sharpe said he wanted to pour honey on Lebron James.

@syclonepanda1047

Жыл бұрын

@@roboninja3194 Personally think that Kobe was way better than Lebron as well. RIP

@demonpride1975

9 ай бұрын

and even when he practised, he still didn't get much better.

👀 👀 👀 Don’t you realize if he needs 5 more years to catch up with Jordan then his stats are automatically reduced? 😂 straight diluted!

The numbers dont lie, this breakdown was quite concise, the comparison to their own respective positions should be enough to seal the debate tbh

I don’t hate Lebron he just ain’t what people think he is

@nagodrelord9855

Жыл бұрын

Lebron is great bro, jordan was something else thats all

@chikushodiz91

Жыл бұрын

@@nagodrelord9855yes I know he great but he ain’t on the Jordan Kobe or bird level

@mikemicrael5749

Жыл бұрын

Casual BB fan here (white guy who much prefers the college game). MJ was way more exciting to watch, and in college he was clearly the best player in the NCAA for two years. If they had similar builds, MJ could play like Lebron but I don't know that a smaller Lebron could play MJ's game. But it was a different game then. I went to Michigan State when Magic was there and the Magic-Bird matchup in the 1979 championship game was one of the best ever. Magic, Bird and Jordan have to be among the top ten NBA players ever.

@PzoThePlug

Жыл бұрын

W RESPONSE

Let’s put it like this…I would hold Lebron James in high esteem if he really had that “killer instinct” about him. There were games Lebron played where it seemed like he wanted none of the smoke; he didn’t thrive off the pressure. Other than watching Michael Jordan hitting buzzer beaters, it was just amazing the concentration you had to have at the free throw line when you were playing an away game and the crowd is screaming and waving props to get you to miss. Jordan had a mental toughness that Lebron lacks. It’s like…Lebron is relying too much on his talent and strength to get him through instead of taking it to the next level. Lebron just seems more concerned with racking up accolades than going out on the court to take souls.

@jman8350

Жыл бұрын

This is my favorite comment so far; your last sentence had me chuckling. I don't even need a good reason to prefer MJ over many players other than his attitude and style. People keep calling him Black Jesus, but I just call him Jesus, because Jesus was black, and instead of walking on water, he walks on air. When you walk on air, you don't even need to concern yourself with the water. MJ is over here, floating over oceans to the hoop. Sure, I really like James and Curry from the current era, because how can't you? But I like more players from the 90's/pre 90's era. Under Jordan, my personal picks are 1) Allen Iverson 2) Charles Barkley 3) Larry Bird 4) Tim Duncan 5) Scotty Pippin 6) Shaq. I honestly never watched Magic - a crime - but I love my favorites and they are immortal within the sport of Basketball. Especially Iverson. Anybody who can break MJ's ankles with their handling is extra special. When it comes to who I'd like to spend a night out with, it'd probably be Stephen Curry for me. He's such a goofball.

I think the problem most have with Lebron is that his “crown” was given before he accomplished anything. He also was a self anointed goat which just erks a lot of people. It was unearned and then he didn’t follow it up through the years. He still anoints himself as if he’s earned that title. He’s a great player but he hasn’t earned that. Now I suppose that at one time MJ was a more humble dude. He’s not that anymore, but nobody can say he didn’t earn everything that came to him on the court. Kobe was the same way as well as most of the other greats. To be honest the people totally disregarding facts tried to prop LBJ up in the media. They definitely make things up to get views (lies). It’s annoying for sports fans who know their stuff. And we don’t like getting fed crap by the media.

@madpeace1764

Жыл бұрын

Always Remember... This Is A Generation Of Dudes That Look At Their Penis And Absolutely DEMAND That You Identify Them As A Woman... It's The SAME Exact Mind Set They Have With The Whole Lebron Thing...

My Top Three are #1 Michael Jordan #2 Larry Bird #3 Magic Johnson!

All time leading score is a longevity stat. Imagine if curry plays 20 years lol

I used to hate Kobe and love Lebron as an MJ and Knicks fan..... but it all changed when he went on Live TV and said he creating a Superteam in Miami lmao. The respect I had for him just dropped man.... never in any sport have I ever witnessed a "Goat" do that. *edit* I liked KD too but lost respect for him for joining the Warriors... and this is even when I was happy that KD & the Warriors beat LeBron's Heat in the Finals.

@leohoutarou9980

Жыл бұрын

cant lie tho, kobe is better than bron

@thedudeunchained7583

Жыл бұрын

The Warriors never played the Heat in the finals, you mean Cleveland....

@user-de1of7fe9d

Жыл бұрын

@@thedudeunchained7583 excuse me, Cavs!

🤣🤣🤣 facts. It's 1 reason he is called "LEBRICK"

Hahahahaha part 2?! You got called out and felt the pressure.

The thing that annoys people about lebron is no one thinks LeBron is a bad player. He's amazing. He's just Overrated. He's played for a long time. People keep putting him on a pedestal that he doesn't really need to be on. When LeBron was drafted, who was the best player? Easily Kobe Bryant. When LeBron went to the Heat, LeBron was easily the best player in the league. Then he left the Heat and went back to the Cavs and who was the best player in the league? Curry. When MJ played, there was no other person who was better. That's the point. My favorite 3 favorite players of all time are, in order, Allen Iverson, Larry Bird, Dennis Rodman. AI because he was fun to watch and he was dominating a league as someone who's the same height as an average person. Larry Bird because he's the most clutch player to ever talk trash, and Dennis Rodman because he knew his role and Rebounding is actually my favorite stat because it determines who wins and loses and he was the best rebounder. Only Larry is in the Top 5 all time. 1) MJ 2) Kobe 3) Bird 4) Magic 5) LeBron (Maybe) But LeBron is over hyped. Al.he can do is use his size and drive in and dunk. He has talent but no skill. That's why alot of people don't like him. He's amazing at what he does but he's overrated and shouldn't be in the GOAT conversation. He hasn't done anything for the NBA except cry when he has a leg cramp because the AC is off or RIP his jersey sleeves off because he couldn't score with them on (Like his shooting percentage was good or something)

@tonygotbars8835

Жыл бұрын

Lebron became the best player in 07 when he took that sorry ass cavs team to the finals. Dude was only 22 years old.

@egrassa1480

7 ай бұрын

​@@tonygotbars8835that was still Kobe or Duncan

When you compare Jordan’s career to any other player you have to admit it was perfect! His legacy , play, skills, talents and even marketing ability catapulted him to the upper echelon of players. Jordan success was more than his play, he was guided by God. There’s something mystical about it. Even his ability to levitate. Now Nike has a new movie coming out in May titled Air. His legacy just keeps growing…Not to mention the new Jordan 60 career plays.

It's not hate young man. When you call yourself 'the goat' your gonna be compared to other goats....in this case THE goat. But there is no shame in being 2nd to MJ. He was THAT good bruh!

My new favorite hobby is watching Lebron fans in shambles lol. Guys please just face the facts. These are statistics and numbers, you can't refute it. It doesn't matter how you "feel" about it, that's just how it is.

You showed great restraint and humbleness watching the video. Good for you, young man. Statistics doesn't hide anything. They actually expose a player's weakness(es). There are a few things the video does not touch on as well. Granted, the video was made before the pandemic year but let's list out what the video forgets to mention: Jordan: - had an ankle injury his second year and does not play until the end of the season, ONLY PLAYING 18 GAMES (sorry for the CAPS). - when Jordan came back from his first retirement, he ONLY PLAYED 17 GAMES for that season. - in essence, Jordan actually only played for the Bulls for 11-1/2 seasons. And Jordan still put up more points scored, more championship titles, more MVPs, etc, than James did in his first 12 seasons. - Jordan retired 3 times (1993, 1998, and 2003), missing 4 full seasons. Can James do that? - Jordan has the highest vertical at 48" in NBA history. Can James do that? - the "eye test" also doesn't point out how graceful and beautiful Jordan's mechanics and moves as a basketball player. Watching Jordan in slow motion is a beautiful thing to watch, especially his dunks (in game and during the dunk contests). James is a lumbering train wreck, and his dunks are "sloppy" (albeit, somehow his shots do go in). - Watching Jordan play is like watching a ballet where each ballerina is choreographed and in synch to an orchestra. - Watching James play is like watching 2 rhinoceros' getting busy under a tarp. James: - his 4th championship was during the pandemic season when the NBA did not play a full season (only 72 games (average), but not full season). Some teams did not return after the suspension and some players didn't play. James' 4th championship will always have an ASTERISK next to that. - his "flopping" is annoying and pitiful. Jordan never flopped in front of referees to draw cheap fouls. - left Cleveland to chase titles instead of doing it with one team by developing them. Jordan didn't come out of his second retirement to chase titles with the Wizards. So, keep the above in mind. James is still a great player and has a great career. Just not up to par with Jordan. Jordan = Sports car James = Minivans Jordan = Da Vinci James = Dr. Suess Jordan = Fine wine James = Zima Space Jam 1 = $250 million (made) Space Jam 2 = $164 million (made)

@aarlavaan

Жыл бұрын

I would argue that Dr suess isn't a fair h comparison. He wrote with a specific challenge, and worked within a specific set of creative confines. To write a simple book with a fleshed out story using under 50 different words to help kids learn to read. His writing is an elegant solution to that challenge. Dr suess is a far better writer than you are giving him credit for by comparing him to lebron James as a basketball player. I would say a better comparison for a writer might be... L. Ron Hubbard. Big and flashy, but lacking substance.

@SmoothieT33

Жыл бұрын

@@aarlavaan but it is appropriate to compare LeBron to Dr. Seuss from the standpoint that LeBron has a very small offensive bag - limited moves, no go-to shot, layups & dunks are the majority of his offensive skills. Kinda child’s play for these guys who are 6’6” & taller😜!

@aarlavaan

Жыл бұрын

@@SmoothieT33 nah, I find self-imposed limitations to spur creativity a far cry from sucking at your chosen profession. particularly given the context that while most LBJ fans claim his game is like poetry in motion (trainwreck, more like), Suess's work was actually created through actual application of complex poetic craftwork despite its seemingly simple appearance. takes a true master like Suess to make something complex look simple. while James game is just plain simple. nothing complex about it. point being. comparing him to Suess really is doing a disservice to Sues, and letting LBJ can punch above his weight class.

@seekwsdom

Жыл бұрын

Actually Jordan had a broken foot in his second year not an ankle injury.

@aizazizzat6060

Жыл бұрын

You may want to adjust for inflation. Space ham 1 made way more compared to space jam 2.

See the thing is bud LBJ fanboys be getting mad at facts and stats. You can't speak facts, or stats without fanboys taking as if you are talking shit. I was just debating on a FB page and all these kids was so mad I was telling truths and I talked zero shit and these guys where mad mad about it calling me names and shit. Hurt my feels big time lol. I try to be as nice as possible while hitting them with stats and facts

@orinocoPL

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that's true. I even saw your comments on few groups 😉😉😉

@wattwatkins3574

Жыл бұрын

@@orinocoPL It most likely kids. haven't learned how debate yet

@orinocoPL

Жыл бұрын

@Watt Watkins yep, especially certain ones who only talks about cumulative stats. Or certain nation, who's always on knees before lebron 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@wattwatkins3574

Жыл бұрын

@@orinocoPL Asians seem to be the biggest LBJ trolls from my experience

LeBron chose jersey #23, he asked to have his own Space Jam, he flopped, got swept last week, then said “that right there made me da greatest”. He’s a Stan and a madman.

His last retirement was because of injury not because he was embarrassed that he lost

I respect your overall opinion on LBJ and how you feel about him. But, clearly from the stats, and the eye test, which a lot of saw when MJ played, he’s in a class by himself, and then there’s everybody else.

Have to say to the young man that made this video.. even though I believe Jordan to be the goat I love the intensity and the love that you have for LeBron he's definitely one of the greatest of all time. No one can hate the loyalty you have for your guy that's incredible!

I'm not a LeBron hater by any means. I've seen both live. I love the way they have both transcended the game. Michael Jordan is the goat, in my opinion. I've always said we need to put the conversation to bed and appreciate the greatness that they bring.

MJ, Magic, Larry are my top three then it’s all debatable after that but I have Kareem and Bill Russell as my top 5 LeBron is great but he’s 4-6 in the finals and was swept in two of them so I can’t put him in the top 5.

MJ is a goat as his jersey sells fot 399.99 and LeBron ones sells for 179.00 Australian dollars, that's a pretty good reason MJ is the GOAT.

this is the reason why you cannot argue with lebron fans, its impossible. they argue on one thing, then jumps the other thing... but they havent refute the important points of the original video... if it was in favor of LBJ, of course they will stick to it.

If Jordan played the same amount of seasons honestly this wouldn't bea conversation but the fact that it is taking lebron 20 plus seasons to TRY and get to Jordan's 13 season accomplishments basically shuts down the conversation. Honestly they were playing physical, violent, street ball in an arena in the Jordan era versus now they play soft. Now if you walk by a player and rub their jersey it's a foul 🤷🏾‍♂️ Jordan=🐐 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

This video breaking down Jordans status as GOAT is pretty rock solid. There isn’t really an strong enough argument to be made to overcome it. I would even go as far to say not only was he the GOAT bball player ever, but he could very well be the greatest SPORTS FIGURE ever period regardless of sport.

@kevinehlinger5685

Жыл бұрын

Yup, along with Lawrence Taylor and (more humbly in my opinion), Lionel Messi

@ChocolateJesii

Жыл бұрын

Alexandr Karelin is probably the greatest GOAT. But I think this is a much more interesting debate to have. Although kind of tough comparing different sports. My personal pick is John Brzenk, the greatest armwrestler of all time won his first world championship in the 80s and now at 58 years old, is still top 10 in the world in his weight class.

See, I think there is a discussion to be had here... But not in the goat debate per se. I think anyone can have a favorite player, and support that player to their dying breath. Got nothing against that. But favorite player does not always mean best player, and that is where a lot of people get upset. Because they want their favorite player to BE the best player, even when statistics show they are not. For example: I like Titanfall 2. I think it's a super fun game. I like a particular weapon in that game. It's a terrible gun to use as a primary weapon, but I love using it all the same. I usually get shredded, but I will defend using that gun over better weapons simply because it's fun for me to use. The same thing is applicable to people's favorite players. Nobody has the right to say you can't like a player more or less then someone thinks you should, but liking them best doesn't mean they are the best player. It means you like them better. Whether for their play style, or for their attitude, or their personality, or any reason at all. That's a personal thing, and that's totally ok.

I understand where you are coming from, about Lebron still going great. I think you have to look at it closer though. I've watched a lot of Lebron that last number of years, most of his points like in the past come in the paint. The level of difficulty for those points are low a lot of the time. The defender or multiple either step out of the way, semi-put there hands up in contest, or are too small in weight or height or both to offer any good contest. What ever those defenders' reasons are for doing so is irrelevant to me because the fact remains the same, and it that level of defense is low. This year Lebron has been shooting a career worse from 3 making only 30-31%, while avg 7 attempts from there a game. Then on the defensive end Lebron has been very passive and lazy. Most would reply to that saying something like, "You expect Lebron to do everything, if he puts less effort on offense who is going to score." What I would say to that is that as a leader and top 5 all-time great you are a role model to your team. If you show little care on defense your teammates will too, and it will demoralize them when you're barely giving effort to get back on defense. Combine all that with Lebron's impact on winning has become a near shell of what it was when in his prime.

@jameswong7061

Жыл бұрын

these passed few years, i can only remember kuzma push him to play D & KK no longer in LA, & doing really good now offensively and D

I don’t hate lebron. I hate the bullshit narrative that he’s the goat. If it wasn’t for the media, nobody would be calling lebron the goat. In fact. Nobody had him in the conversation until he called himself the goat. If you gotta call yourself the goat then your not the goat

Remember there was no debate until Bron fans started discrediting Jordan, nobody ever discredited the previous GOATS for Jordan to be giving the title of GOAT

I started watching basketball during the Bulls second 3-peat. I have kept up with sport since then and its really hard to even compare the two. Jordan was truly remarkable and just a different breed of human to watch. Players feared him and praised him all across the board. Lebron is an awesome player but he doesnt get the same reaction. Hes going to go down in history as a great player but he needs to do so much more in order to even catch Jordan in achievements in the longer span of time hes taking. Its not going to happen. Its going to be nearly impossible for anyone to top what Jordan has done.

It's not about hating on LeBron. It's that with each generation, it's easy for past players to get a little forgotten and current players to get a little too elevated. Love LeBron, by all means. James is an all-time great. Obviously. And if he is your top guy of all time, it's all good. But some of us who been watching a lot more decades, and remember seeing dudes like Dr. J and Pistol Pete, we saw Jordan as one of the few athletes that his opponents often looked afraid or in awe of him. And the only other athlete I ever remember seeing that with was peak Mike Tyson. I personally do hate comparing different eras tho. I think there are generally best players in specific eras of sports and imho it's impossible to compare them realistically. Sometimes you just have to appreciate greatness and not worry over comparing it.

@kft4764

Жыл бұрын

I had the same thought. The opinion of one's peers says the most. MJ's competitors were in fear of or in awe of him. The same isn't true of LBJ. Other players respect him as a player and for his career, but they aren't in awe of him. There are so many MJ stories from other players.

That stat that won me over was after getting swept out of a 3 game playoff series, Jordan never let his team lose 3 in a row again. 6 chips with the Bulls and throughout his time with the Wizards. This was my favorite stat before this year, but getting swept out of the playoffs didn't help. If Jordan had the technology and knowledge to keep his body in peak condition for longer, I would be interested to see what his career would have looked like.

LeBron has a lot of nicknames, well deserved nicknames by the way! LeFlop -> He flops a lot LeBrick -> He bricks a lot….and more LeChoke-> He Chokes a lot LeLoser -> Guess what? LeNeedhelp-> He needs more help……his own words 🙄 LeNoclutch -> You know 🙄 LeDramaqueen -> Needs an oscar 🙄 LeFloor-> ……. You see it every game 🙄 LeBlame-> Blames always his teammates List goes on Forever He is a LeClown 🙄🙄🙄

No Bron doesn't make it my Mt. Rushmore because all the items have more Rings or better Individual Accolades. 1. JORDAN 2. JABBAR 3. CHAMBERLAIN 4. KOBE 5. SHAQ 6. RUSSELL 7. MAGIC 8. BIRD 9. OLAJUWON 1O. LEBRON LONGEVITY (What Bron has) isn't enough to put him in my Top 5. Any top player can accumulate a lot of good numbers by simply being around for a long time. If you're a Business Owner and you take two of your best Employees and your distribution goal is 7, 000 units by the end of the year. Employee A works 10 hours everyday and he finishes his 7K in 3 months and Employee B works 8 hours a day and gets his 7K done in 9 months but by the time Employee B is done in 9 months Employee A is nearly finished with 5K into his 2nd distribution load.....which Employee would you consider the Better Employee?? It's about being EFFICIENT not Longevity. If one Player can do much more in a shorter amount of time and produce great or greater results then he/she is better. Jordan is the only Superstar with 15 years being compared to everyone in the Top 3 or Top 5 that has between 5-7 more years than him. Yet in many areas he is far more Superior and has done things most, if not ALL will never be able to do, tie nor ever surpass It's not even fair to compare anyone to Jordan, the closest in terms if winning and Individual Accolades is Kareem and then Kobe.Bron's greatness is vastly due to his accumulation based on playing longer. Take LeBron's longevity away and see how his overall stats drop and look and you'll see what I mean. Am I saying he's a bad player....No. He's in my Top 10 just not on my Rushmore nor in my Top 5 and most definitely not in my Top 3. If anyone wants call it hating then be my guest.

@wattwatkins3574

Жыл бұрын

Hard for me to put Wilt there. The talent level was bad and when the league expanded and better players came into the league his offensive numbers dropped and his turn around finger roll wasn't working anymore. Just my thoughts. Just watch this Wilt game and tell me it doesn't look like bad high school basketball kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6eN0dVqaKjZlNI.html

@wattwatkins3574

Жыл бұрын

I have MJ 1----and Kobe 2---- Bird 3------ Kareem 4 ---LBJ 5---Shaq 6---Hakeem 7----Duncan 8---DR J ----KD---Giannis---Magic--- I also like players that play both sides of the ball and can create their own shots dribbling is important and shooting at a good % outside of three feet. You would really have to be good in one area to make up for being bad at one of those areas I mention.

@TheDudeAbides1998

Жыл бұрын

You at least have to be at least very good on both ends of the court for most of their careers. Which would take Russell, Lebron, and Shaq off. Any flaws in your game and your not a very good 2 way player you don't make it. IMO, Wilt is rated too high on your list tbh. top ten, I agree. Not top 3. He's not a winner. Shaq like Lebron went to all these teams, and how many rings? IMO, he massively underachieved given the situation. Both of them. Where is Duncan, West, Oscar, Dr. J, and Moses Malone?

@soldierviejo8224

Жыл бұрын

@TheDude lol...I would only switch Wilt and Kobe....Bryant 3rd and Wilt 4th. Russell has rings and he played a little D but he isn't a big Scorer plus the era he played un was weak and they only had 10 trams in the league and a few rounds of playoffs.

@soldierviejo8224

Жыл бұрын

@TheDude Duncan moves up ahead of LeBron but no way does Bird, Olajuwon or the rest move out of my top 10. Shaq won a 3Peat so he's done something only Kobe, MJ and Russell has done.

We go by peaks. MJ has the best peak even in 5 hear stretch.

The thing about Mike was, these highlight videos where he looks like Superman, he played like that every single night. All the time. He had no low gear. He had no quit. He was a stone cold killer. He wasn’t trying to beat you. He was trying to embarrass your momma.

I really like how humble you are. Even though I think MJ is the GOAT by a mile, I really respect LBJs game and I think he is a solid second, just not on Jordan’s level

@okeythegoat2332

10 ай бұрын

Lebron is the greatest player of all time

@linorestrepolobo3620

10 ай бұрын

@@okeythegoat2332 in your dreams son

there are great players throughout the ages at all positions. then theres mj, pretty simple really.

I wasn't crazy about Lebron anyway, but the day everyone decided they didn't like him was the moment he said he was the goat. That was it.

shout out for finishing the video. because he wore MJ's number chasing his legacy but when it became obvious he wasn't gonna fill Jordan shoes, now Magic was his favorite player. And last but not least the way bounced out Cleveland like a thief in the night to go to the Heat

LBJ is a great player. And to be Playing for 20+ years is a incredible thing if you’re WINNING 🏆along the way. But the more years he plays with no titles.It just makes MJ,Kobe and Kareem careers look more IMPRESSIVE. Example,Kobe fans: “it took Kobe 20yrs to get 5!” ..and Kareem fans:“it took Kareem 20yrs to get 6!” Meanwhile MJ did 6 in 13yrs. 🤯(with 1 team) 15yrs if you want to be technical. And If lebron plays 22-24yrs just to Win another championship..How does it look now??..Be honest. Yes,more points will be added to his record & he maybe win the assists title (Stockton did it in 19yrs)…see what I’m saying? major accomplishments= shorter time. No hate towards any one of these great players but what MJ has done in 15 short years is unmatched. And Nothing is wrong with lebron being anyone’s favorite player..nobody is trying to argue with that . This video is EXPLAINING why MJ is the GOAT with comparable stats.

@TheDudeAbides1998

Жыл бұрын

And how many teams has he been on for easy titles?

@thedudeunchained7583

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDudeAbides1998 2 easy rings with the Heat and let´s be real, MJ would have won at least the 2011 ring if you swap him for LBJ. So the 2 Heat rings and the Bubble ring were easy. 2016 was earned (even though he got major help when Green was suspended) .

I like how you are open. Its good you are not those bronsexual. You are a true LBJ fan. LBJ is really great. I used to be a lebron fan when he was still in Cavs or even in heats. But after the so much drama, tantrum and the self proclaim. I lost a lot of respect in LBJ. If LBJ didnt have those drama. I could still be a fan of LBJ. Most MJ GOATER also hate the fan base of LBJ those legit Bronsexual. There is nothing wrong idolizing Lebron. But a lot of bronsexual are already considering LBJ as GOAT without even watching a single game or doing some proper research with context and analysis of MJ or other legendary players. And MJ Goaters in 90’s. A lot of them have their own idol other than or more than MJ. Like me. Im more of a Grant Hill fan during their era but we all respect and dont discredit other players just for my idol to look good.

LeChoke Fans equate facts as hating. LOL

Even if LeBron begins to accumulate competing stats, this video still didn’t discuss Jordan and his “And 1” stat. 😎

Great job with this bro. I Def understand your thoughts on this. I'm a big LeBron fan too but from someone who has seen them both play its not even close. I hated the Bulls lol but there was just nothing you could do to stop MJ. He was a killer. He's pretty much Kobe on steroids. He didn't want to beat you, he wanted to rip your soul out infront of your girl and children. Imo he's the greatest athlete in any sport.

As a MJ fan, I just want LBJ fans not to trash other players / eras to lift up LBJ. I have no problem with ppl saying Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, etc is the best C as all of them are great! When LBJ said he was the GOAT, everyone compared him to MJ for a reason. We can’t have any other debate now sadly, but I think it was a great marketing move by LBJ.

@okeythegoat2332

10 ай бұрын

Lebron is the greatest player of all time 👑‼️

@okeythegoat2332

10 ай бұрын

All time leading in playoff and reg wins 👑🐐

It was never a debate. Jordan is the greatest. Good job going through a video that broke down your favorite player. It is a difficult thing to go through. Much respect.

Like Danger Productions, I'm lucky enough to have watched both Jordan and James in real-time. Honestly, I'm just grateful they both exist. I'm thankful they put in the time and effort to strive for greatness, bring us hours of joy, and do things that make our jaws drop.

The thing about LeBron is that I don't feel like he has tried that hard for a long time. He looked awesome at Miami until the playoffs against SA and Dallas. His game was super efficient. As his career has gone on and there is less defense played than ever it seems that he should even be more dominate, but he isn't. It's like he has been on autopilot since then. I would expect him to mature his game and become more complete, but as this video shows he hasn't done that like MJ, O'Neal, Kobe, or Akeem did. He isn't fundamentally sound and doesn't bring his A game night in and night out to play for the fans. I thought he would be more loyal to Cleveland and work to build a team around him and do what MJ did in Chicago, two teams that hadn't had a winner in the NBA. I feel that he hasn't played up to his potential which would make him the GOAT if he did. Calling himself the GOAT after beating the best team only one out of four times makes it impossible for most of us to take him seriously. Watching today's game is boring unless it's Curry or Durant for me. Curry works his butt off and Durant makes it look so damn easy ever since he was at Texas. GOATS don't do Load Management and cheat the fans by sitting out when not hurt. These are the reasons that he isn't even in my top three. Wasted potential!

4:30 you don't think in this era.. MJ would have just as many opportunities to score from 0-3 feet? while still shooting from outside to make getting to the paint that much more easier? Look at what he went thru during his era.. and compare to the spacing now.. this is why I say its easier to compare players in the past to this era.. with todays attainment of skills, training regiments, healing and recover and shooting training as well. so that more players are more accurate enough to take more 3 points shots that he doesn't affect the game too much.. look at Kawhi when he was with The Spurs or Raptors.. most of his game was inside.. but he took some more threes in the game to keep them close for the final mins.

I pulled for LeBron to get his but I just call it like I saw it.. I watched All of both of each of their careers..

I’ve never laughed so hard😂😂😂😂

Give yourself credit. You are honest. Some I’ve argued with, it blows my mind the facts and simple logic they would deny.

You can compare LEBRONS 20 year to JORDAN from 84-93. When Jordan came back and three peated AGAIN he makes it completely unfair to compare anybody to him. Lebron HIMSELF makes you “hate” him. Team switching. QUITTING in the finals. QUITTING on his teams even though he’s been making his own teams for over a decade. There is just no comparison to Jordan man. I’m glad you came back to finish the video my guy great reaction. Peace

This young man is enjoyable to watch. I just wonder if he is going to realize that Jordan was so much better than Lebron that when he says the narrator is hating on Lebron, in reality that is just the result when Lebron is compared to Jordan.

And the most important stat of all... jordan did a better space jam movie.

Lebron is absolutely the greatest player of his generation.. for me personally he is only second to MJ.. problem with the comparison of those two is that Jordan is just to good.. his game had no flaws.. so comparing them isn't fair.. even lebron calls MJ black Jesus and fact is that there would be no lebron without Jordan..

Dude Wilt was unreal. They talk about Kareems unstoppable sky hook theres a video on YT where Wilt blocked his skyhook 4 times in a row

When LBJ went to Miami to start a superteam. A lot of fans started to dislike him. It only got worse from that point. He once pretty much called fans bums, he started to make excuses for losing . Like coming out with a cast after losing a finals series. But I think it’s all non basketball reasons. He still has done some great things on the court.

MJ in a world all his own.. Watch 'Shaqting a Fool LBJ ' and you'll see plenty of low points of his that you never saw MJ do. There's only one MJ anything like that video is when in an all star game MJ was on a fastbreak all by himself and fumbled the ball out of bounds.

So it went from: Lebron is the goat no question. To: There are so many goats in this game; Lebron is my goat. Whatever helps you sleep at night homie😂

Oh man, you just got a subscription for me for your reaction at 6:42… being able to bring yourself back in and admit your mistakes takes real character and I fw that heavy.

@djgastraytv682

7 ай бұрын

2 mins later at 8:42 I agree the MJ video is tryin a lil too hard to drive his point home when I got Bron 2nd all time…he making it seem like Bron sorry 🤣🤣

Real talk, you were really authentic in this video. Respect. I feel like the G.O.A.T there's a title has been overused. In the end, they can be only one

im sorry i was enjoying your pain but you made me laugh!! keep it going!!!

Jordan had plenty basketball fans who hated him during his day. He wasn't universally loved like they make it seems. He was killing their teams.

@tonefaulcon9729

Жыл бұрын

As a Knicks fan, I detect NO lies in this statement. Fuck Jordan! KNICKSSS! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I love this video, i love the reaction. props to you bro. Very entertaining. More great video to come bro

I had to do the same argument with the Kobe generation. There's always the next Michael Jordan

Most people don’t roc with LeBron because of his lack of self identity on the court. He’s wearing other legends numbers since day 1 either 23 or 6 in reference to MJ or Dr. J. I think if he could rewind his career and begin his first game with a original number not worn by some of the most memorable players he might earn more respect by this sports spectators. Picture him in jersey number 5 for his career. It’s unique. After that small detail his game lacks original creation. His most dominant move is his drive baseline to bounce it off the back board using his body as a shield for the two handed layup. But everything else is just him mimicking Jordan with a fader or just a jump shot. His side arm tomahawk is original but he should have marketed that on his shoe…..like the Shaq logo, the Ken Griffey logo, or the Jordan logo. All and all he’s in a era where he looks like a comparison to MJ but really in MJ’s era LeBron measures up more like a James Worthy type style player. He’s aight!😎

For all you youngsters out there let me explain what a “goat” is. It means the best ever so there can’t be multiple. I hate when ppl say “there’s multiple goat’s”. No that defeats the purpose of calling them the goat in the first place. It can only be one. Y’all just say that so your guy doesn’t seem below MJ… but he is…

Dude, you got me LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Lebron the type that'll bring a book to an interview and when asked what his favorite quote is he'd say "all of them".

I'm glad you said Lebron was your favorite player. GOAT conversation seeks to find who is greater through objective measures that are available. Your favorite is just a matter of preference. You may also believe him to be the GOAT, but after this you would need to find a new set of basketball criteria, which may be difficult until Lebron picks up 2 more rings.

It's like watching someone who thought the sky was green all their lives get a pair of those stupid yellow tactical sunglasses ripped off their face and yelled at like, "Look mf, the sky is blue!" 🤣

I think you got the heart of the debate you’re having with yourself in part 2 here. You said “why we gotta disrespect the legends?” in reference to when you were talking about people hating on LeBron. I think the very guys we’re talking about answered and put to rest your debate. When asked about being the greatest basketball player ever: “At that moment, I was like ‘I'm the greatest basketball player people have ever seen.” - LeBron James, 2022 “I don't want it in a sense because I think it disrespects Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West - you know all the guys that prior to me I never had a chance to play against. What everybody is saying I am, I never had the chance to compete against other legends that was prior to me. When I hear it, I cringe a little bit because it's a little bit embarrassing because no one knows. I never had the chance to, once again, to play against those guys. I would love to have played against them but I never did. And for you to say that I'm better than him...I mean it's your opinion; it's their opinion. I accept that as their opinion. If you ask me, I would never say that I am the greatest player. That's because I never played against all the people that represented the league prior to Michael Jordan." - Michael Jordan, 2019 I’m my opinion that’s the answer to your debate right there. From the men themselves.

Ty young king for showing this. Grew up a Jordan fan that transitioned to Kobe and now lebron. These stays have shown me that I'm a lebron fan to death but I will never stop buying Jordans shoes. Men lie women lie numbers don't. 23 🐐

Lebron is a great of his generation. My favorite player is Magic. It’s ok to have a favorite player who isn’t the GOAT. Just enjoy how each player brings his own flavor to the game. I think Lebron’s place is like Wilt Chamberlain. Physical freak missing killer instinct & needing great sidekick plus coaching.

We love LeBron, we just separate our feelings from the facts when we give out that 🐐🏅

You mean LeBron is your favorite. Being the G.O.A.T. means being "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME" and that not a debate. it's a fact. And statistically Jordan is THE goat

Bro there is only one GOAT in each sport ... Brady in Football .. Babe Ruth in Baseball .. Mj in Basketball .. Wayne Gretzky in Hockey ... Michael Phelps in the Olympics .. Babe Ruth was 100 years ago none of us saw him and he is still the GOAT in baseball ... just because you dont see them live doesnt mean they arent the GOAT .

MJ guy here. but i got sense enough to know LBJ can play. he might be goat one day if he can leave sons behind him- the way jordan did. pippin and kobe are both in the HOF because of him. both of them need to leave that goat topic alone tho. basketball done right is an art form- so who is a better artist- leonardo or michaelangelo. just glad i got to see both in their prime

It's like, when you see a Tucson owner praise his vehicle, he says, the Tucson is superior to a Rav4. There is no possible debate but even then the owner of the Tucson is not going to change his mind.

But let me say this, I can so appreciate your love for Lebron. You grew up watching him. He is your favorite player and that speaks volumes. I love how much you fight for him. It’s awesome PZO. But please please go watch some full games of MJ on KZread.

Who ever thought lebron was ever clutch? Lol

People lost respect for LeBron because he gave up, quit, in Cleveland. He didn't try and find a way to win a Title, instead he teamed up with other superstars to get his first Title. Durant did the same thing.

The problem with the goat debate, by design it's a measure of strengths & weaknesses. So when people point out weaknesses, fans take that as calling their goat garbage.