As a bok fan, I am still salty about that loss in 97 because of the sheer incompetence around the state of affairs in SA rugby and how ill prepared they were for the challenge that awaited them. Full credit to the Lions. Clear on their objective and how they were going to achieve it and they did it with some annoyingly good players.

there wasn’t much interaction with them other than beating them😂😂😂 brilliant. And I’m a bok fan.

Great overview from a ardent South African.

Neil Jenks kicked us to death, sure we were sure that we were going win maybe some what arrogant but the Lions did well to win playing test rugby. Loved the 2009 series and looking forward to this one. I just wish that there could be fans in the stadium:-)

Fascinating discussion, I just wish it went on longer.

'They couldn't kick snow off a rope'. God you gotta love Keith Wood.!!

All the excuses about du Plessis’ coaching and selection are perfectly true and the reason for losing the series. But so what? The Lions were better coached and better selected and won. End of.

Boks scored 9:3 tries in the test series, I think it is disingenuous to say they were going into that test series planning to kick themselves to victory, in fact as Keith Wood himself admits, the Boks goalkicking was pretty poor during the series. Considering the Boks lost the second test by scoring three tries to nil tells you everything you need to know

@vinylrulesok8470

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, It’s what’s on the scoreboard at the end of the match that counts. Had they kicked their goals in the second test they would have won that game so the folly of not having a having a goal kicker is self evident

@malcolmrandall7349

2 жыл бұрын

@@vinylrulesok8470 After that test SA employed a kicking coach.

Keith Wood went missing in the test matches on that tout. As Telfer said he went missing

If you watch the 3 tests the lions were blown off the park. South Africa gave a masterclass, the likes of which have yet to be seen again, in how not to kick goals. They missed almost 100% of their kicks. Had they converted, they would have won hands down.Woods arrogance is on another level. Watch the tests.

@vinylrulesok8470

2 жыл бұрын

They certainly weren’t blown off the park in the first test but beaten fair and square. I think SA were arrogant thinking they didn’t need a goal kicker. Clearly they did and that’s why they lost the second test. the third test was meaningless once the series was won.

@derekallan1341

2 жыл бұрын

ian Aspinall you guys can also cut out the arrogance. You guys are no better than the Springboks

They thought they could bully the lion's and they were wrong .. the lion's jersey the history is a powerful thing and you don't underestimate it no matter how good or how tough you think you are

why does off the ball hate the springboks so much ?

@boks23

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly jake they hate the boks.Thats why i love it when we beat ireland.

@Fredders88

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair they are responding to very sour grapes comments former Springboks have made about the 1997 series. 'We weren't organised so we lost'. That is the story of English/Irish/Welsh/Scottish rugby for big chunks of their history. For e.g. England weren't organised very well between 1981 and 1988.

@MartyP-lr7vw

2 жыл бұрын

It's just Ger Gilroy Jake - but he is well hated in his own country too, if you want a good laugh then watch his interview with Lance Armstrong. Keith Wood is on the button by the way & quite complimentary to the boks & good for him being on the winning team in 97. Carel & Willie du Plessis were good on the field but pathetic off the field.

@acadoe

2 жыл бұрын

I get that vibe as well.

@derekallan1341

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fredders88 they still aren't. They just got the biggest hiding ever in a World Cup final

Always have a chuckle at the "If we, we would have" BS, you didnt and you never, end of

@derekallan1341

2 жыл бұрын

yes and and you and your commentators/press must also dry your eyes about the next tour. No wonder the UK sides are the most hated in the world.

@trimad6128

2 жыл бұрын

@@derekallan1341 really..according to who?

@derekallan1341

2 жыл бұрын

@@trimad6128 just go and talk to the Scots and the Irish for starters and then take a trip to Paris and ask for an audience with the French rugby team. Is that enough.

@trimad6128

2 жыл бұрын

@@derekallan1341 I think it’s quite a broad statement derek.I have family and friends from for-mentioned countries who are rugby fans and I don’t get that word hate.Banter and loving your own team is normal but hate shouldn’t be a word used in sport.I respect most teams and love just watching the game.That’s your opinion and I respect that.Enjoy the lions!

@derekallan1341

2 жыл бұрын

@@trimad6128 spencer so do I. You do not stand alone. I love watching the game as do you but the way that UK commentators and tabloids spew rubbish into the internet does your teams no good and it just ups the anti of dislike for UK teams because of it. Every friend, family member or associate that I have living around the world has the same opinion as I do. It is obvious that we are looking through different eyes but I still stand by what I said. If a Springbok had to conduct an interview the way that Wood did, your tabloids would be all over him calling him arrogant etc, etc. Lastly refer to the so-called tackle by o'driscoll on Rossouw brought up by your tabloids and rubbish headline that headed it. I can tell you that header did nothing for the love of UK teams. It was dangerous and came from a VERY off-side position. AND Bakkies Botha now being called the dirtiest player ever!! Why? Because he was bigger, stronger and more mobile that the UK bruisers? 4 yellow cards and NO red cards doesn't indicate to me that he was dirtier. Like me I hope that you enjoy the Springboks!

Really shocked at the idea of rich boys saffers having zero grace in defeat

@business3867

2 жыл бұрын

cry

@Lucindalombard

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Ian. I'm a saffa. It's a shame that there's so much hate being flung around. I've lived abroad for a couple of years and I've worked with people from all over. And I'll be honest, I've met a couple of Brits who I absolutely love and some that were really not nice people. That didn't make me walk around hating all Brits because of some bad eggs. I think we can all agree that you get good and bad people in every country. We're all looking forward to the Lions tour. May the games be amazing with plenty of awesome tries. And no injuries in both camps. And in the end the best team will win.

@granthibberd6069

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lucindalombard well said. Go Bokke!

@boks23

2 жыл бұрын

Ian you know nothing about the springboks go to the springbok museum in cape town and get a good rugby education.Vermeulen if fit its the bokke 2 -1 and cant wait for all the off the ball whingeing and bitching about Gatlands squad when you lose.

@petes9524

2 жыл бұрын

At least the Boks wear their runner up medals.

If Boks could kick then we would have thrashed the lions that tour.

The more you change the Morne STEYN the same 🤣🤣🤣

To say that The Lions didn't really deserve to win the series is showing disrespect. However, the Boks didn't help themselves either. They had an inept coach that had no super rugby or even Currie cup experience coaching the Boks. You had to question the competence of the SARFU admin in appointing Carel Du Plessis in the first place. Andre Snyman playing wing and Percy Montgomery playing centre were just some of the selection blunders that were made.

Like the Apaches were quoted in the old western movies - "Him speak with forked tongue" ... His words "their game plan was to grind us down and kick the the points" All the penalties missed, derived from what? Forward dominance perhaps? Poor discipline from the Lions? He is of the impression the Lions had good discipline. Why would SA have a game plan kicking at posts, without a kicker? I am not sure what made him to believe most of what he is saying about South - Africa during this series is true, but should you watch the games, most of what he is saying is far from the truth. It was a hard fought, closely contested series, (except forvthe last test where they got anihilated in TRUE 'Bok style) which was lost on a Guscott drop goal. What, could have, would have, or might have, does not count, and has no bearing on the history, which is fact. His take on the power game SA is famous for, which is dominating forwards, a sharp kicking game, good defence and striking at the right opportunity, is also a bit skewered. It has won SEVEN Lions tours since 1903 vs 2 Losses, multiple European Grand Slams for the Springboks, FOUR Rugby World Cups,(I include the English win in 2003, because they copied SA's game plan), multiple series wins over ALL Home Union nations, including France, and more than 50% dominance in test results over those nations. It might not be the ONLY way to play rugby, but man, does it bring results!!! You can play any other way you like, but you might achieve a poor record against opposition outside Europe, or maybe NEVER progress past the quarter finals in RWC in 9 attempts, like for instance, Ireland! And them with so many players in the Halls of Fame! I must say, since SA players and coaches got involved, there has been a marked improvement (they have relatively good forwards lately) in the Irish performance of the last couple of years, so much so, they might win a quarter final in 2023 RWC 10:46

And we South Africans don't care what Keith Wood says or thinks. Bulls 35-30 B&I Lions.

@joninton6678

Жыл бұрын

97 lions 2 South Africa 1

Stop 🛑 creating FUD against springboks

Better get the violin oot...

Apartheid.... South Africa's greatest shame.

@derekallan1341

2 жыл бұрын

who started it??? It was you english. The amount of black and white that died in your concentration camps is a blight on your nation. Before you respond to me I would go and read up history first. Your nation has a disgusting reputation and history for crimes against humanity and much worse than apartheid.

The lions weren't the better team and were very very lucky.

@joninton6678

Жыл бұрын

Stop crying you arrogant South African

Sounds like sour Bok grapes to me. They lost the series plain and simple so get over it SA

@derekallan1341

2 жыл бұрын

yes and I think you crowd should get over you loss on the next tour. That seems like pretty sour grapes to me as well.

@roxanneandrews9139

2 жыл бұрын

We won the next series,so why would we be sour.