Maybe since 125 CA is already far higher than the avg national league player that contributed to the lack of development? If they all started at ~70 I wonder if they'd see more development?

@tmlarkynado7604

7 ай бұрын

125 is like league 1 or championship, ofc he didn't develop in national league

@DM-vo2ke

7 ай бұрын

​@@tmlarkynado7604good championship quality. A team of all 125's and a couple of 135ish players and you should get promoted

@JuveVinny

7 ай бұрын

You're probably right.

@fordrake

7 ай бұрын

And hemel hempstead is semi-pro. Training matters a lot for u-18s in football manager

I love the DuckTales themed names for the wonderkids. Top effort.

Training is more important prior to turning 18, that's why the twins at Hemel didn't develop in the first set of sims. Match time becomes more important once they hit 18.

I'd be interested to see what happens to the same player developing in different leagues. Scotland, England, Spain, Germany and Brazil could be a fun comparison.

That was a well thought out twist on the usual format. Great content Kev.

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

training important upto age of 18 then playing becomes more important but the standard of opposition also plays a big part the 2 at hemel where playing too low a level

@remqtch9868

7 ай бұрын

True, the Man City starter was loaned out to a championship side in his first few seasons. The other two wonder kids didn’t have a chance

@simplesimonhadapie

7 ай бұрын

Yeah i agree thats what kev missed a little its the level they play at and the clubs facilities that matter. To balance this out give say four clubs in the english pyramid the same training facilities and run this again to see which of the 4 players from each level improves the most

Loved this video Kev - super interesting to see what effect all these variables have on player development

Useful, informative and creative content providing a valuable insight. Cheers Kev.

I enjoyed that Kev. Good experiment and hope you do a few more 👍🏻

I'd like to see more longer term experiments from you, Kev. Back in t'day I remember Golden FM did a series on swapping the English pyramid and it was class.

This was really fun kev, thanks

This was a nice change of pace

Thats how determination effects player development

Love this, think all the experiments should have a ducktails feel

More of these kind of shenanigans please.

More experiments please! This was very enjoyable

I really enjoyed that Kev

They are not the same. Look at the huge difference in determination. City guy has 13, others have 8 and 4. Thats a big difference my man

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

The game will vary some of the individual attributes, just as we saw their heights were different. All 3 were 125 current ability, 200 potential ability though.

@mickeym365

7 ай бұрын

@@lollujo I understand, i just think determination is a very important attribute. Thanks for the reply and just want to say i enjoy your videos very much. Cheers

It was brilliant Kev!! How about trying youngsters with not as fresh current ability…see how they develop.

Should do one at Burton vs Man city. The whole part time vs full time would have impacted development here. Burton has good facilities

This has legitimately left me wanting to know how Huey got on possibly coaching/managing. I like me an underdog! 😂

Not a fan of FM one-offs because I much prefer narrative of your longer series, but this one I will definitely watch. Love the premise and I’m curious to see the outcome

Would like to see a team in the bottom league with 1 wonder kid in every position but every season they lose 1 wonderkid, see how well they replace them

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

Interesting…

Good video. Thanks

Yes, please do a video tracking their managerial careers

That was a brilliant video

Loved it. But if it’s facilities over ability could you test that with 3 players all in same league but playing for clubs with different facilities??

The two stuck at Hemel will have lower transfer values because they have transfers arranged and teams can't come in for them - but also, a Semi pro team hinders development of players. Place one in Hemel, and one at a Full time team and you'll see the full time player develop way faster

I believe up to age 18, it doesn't matter so much about playing, you need as good facilities as possible, they develop most in training until that age. After that, playing time at an apprropriate level is best, so they need to be playing at a level of their abilities, so the 2 players at Hemel hempstead are playing below their ability so aren't progressing as much as the facilities are lower, and the playing quality is also lower.

Would’ve been interesting to see what each had won through their careers. Reckon there could’ve been a Ballon D’Or in there

11:01 Kounde to Arsenal in 5 years, LET'S GOOOOOO!!!!

glad it wasn't the same as Tom's it was a good interesting video, perhaps you could do one with a brother in different postions to see which one develops quicker?

Great vid would love to see them in a 2nd or 3rd rather than none league or maybe they all start 3rd division top leagues like Italy Spain England

This was interesting, as I do have young players on my Gateshead team that are developing even though we’re still down in the National League! Wonder why it was so stagnant?

This is a great idea. Should have went premier league, league 2 & VNL/N.. But this was a great watch.

Thumbnail: Twins! The twins: Huey, Duey & Louie 🤔

I bet the 4 determination stunted the development of those kids

I'd like to see how a subpar striker would do in a superteam like City. Maybe a 110 CA striker playing his whole career as a starter in front for them.

Kev i would suggest the reason that dewey took a little dip to 196 was simply training to master a position which lowers your overall ability as you are no longer a master of one position(or in his case learned an extra position to the ones he started with). I have always wondered if the ai is smart enough to look at a player with certain attributes and retarin them to make them useful. like a cf with 4 for finishing but 10 for vision and passing which you do get with youth squads as you go later into the game where i find retraining people much more useful

@aristaeus2514

7 ай бұрын

The new position adds ability points and thus consumes potential ability, it does not take them away. (I think you mixed up the notion to "be aware, a new position costs points") what it does is that it leaves less room for potential to go into attributes Hope this clears it up

@simplesimonhadapie

7 ай бұрын

@@aristaeus2514 I would have thought the time spent training the position would have meant they dropped overall training and therefore decreased the ca the player already had

Kev, how about a similar version but coaches? Do FM24 simulate growth of coaches? Or is it just random.

Be intriguing to see who has the greatest youth academy set up, comparison between Man City and Ajax , two brothers, both locked in to their respective clubs

Aa was proven in the last FM, training is the main thing for u18 players, games don't do much. Only after 18 does playing games take priority.

Would be interesting to see an entire squad where one player leaves per year to see how far they can climb the pyramid before they run out of wonderkids

Solid experiment for a question everyone has.

Id be interested to see their hidden attributes as well at each check point. Mentoring could have changed their stats to make them less likely to want to develop themselves further

Two problems in my opinion with this test: - Under 18 development is almost exclusively training and after it's match play. - They were already too good to be at Hemel Hemstead. So you sent 2 players to clubs with 0 training facilities and 125 CA at 15 meaning they had no possible way to improve in the training facilities there. This time capsuled them - if you noticed the second check in we see major improvements to all players. Not just Huey who in the 5 training and youth facs at City. They also would have also suffered heavily from being better than the entire league at 125CA. I look at development as a set of overlapping bell curves - and you have to find the balance that makes the bell the highest and thinnest possible to get the most use of them. An example is Lamine Yamal - I setup a "pre-buy" in the year of him turning 18 so he can develop at Barca but then play for my lower tier teams against the top like Barca. Likely costs around 2x getting him at the jump but still under 30m while he climbs the bell curve.

Della Duck must be such a proud mother.

15/16/17 training 18+ games/rating Thats the youth development mantra

Were all three set to be immune to injuries? It would have been worth looking at that, if they had any major injuries like an ACL tear it would have affected their growth.

Decent video - would love for these lads to do a more "scientific" experiment. With greater numbers to see if game time or training facilities etc make the biggest different on player development...

Do a video where you put Haaland and Mbappe at two non league clubs of similar quality and see how they perform next.

although this is similar to tomfm vids have you talk makes it better

Same idea but on different continents, couple of top clubs and some wonderkid producers. maybe quintuplets this time.

Thanks Kev it would have been interested to see where a default player would have ended up i.e if he had been allowed to be transfered from HH and wasn't locked down for any time

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

I tried that first. He joined Man City as soon as he turned 17!

I’m a little disappointed you didn’t make their last names “ Lewis and the news”

What about the workrate?? should it not be at 20 from the start so the always play at 100% each game?

How do you create the players? I’m trying to make wonderkids of my own on fm24

Make 3 brothers, one with perfect physicals, one perfect technicals and one perfect mentals

It's not the Training facilities that's important here. A CA of 125 is Championship Level. A player will never develop even with potential when playing below Championship Level. They just are not playing against their peers. Sorry Kev, I think you are wrong in this instance. The training facilities will determine the speed they develop when playing at their correct level. So the next test should be to put The Duck Kids in 3 premier league teams (Or Championship teams) with 125 CA but different Training Set ups - and test out this theory... Prove me wrong :)

How did England get on through all of this? I'm looking forward to seeing how Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub get on next season.

Ralph Hasenhüttl was Englands Manager (:

Hemel hempstead shirt in thumbnail

Playing youngsters becomes more importantant than training AFTER they've turned 18, so from ages 15 to 18 most development will be made from training. 🙂

More!

I've always been under the impression that the level of opposition/level of competition is a factor as well as "just getting game time". I.e. one full match vs a Prem team/in the Prem is far more valuable than one full match vs a non-league team/in non-league? I also feel Hempstead were hard done by. xD You could at least have given them _some_ money for the two brothers :P Nothing crazy, perhaps £5M for the 20yo and £10M for the 25yo? Maybe even with addons? Not at all unreasonable for what are arguably two of the three most talented footballers in history, even if they are "sniffed out" in non-league. The mother club _might have_ invested some of that money, and actually made it further up the leagues. (INB4 "but ths is about game time vs facilities": Yes, yes, but I find what happens to the club is equally interesting, if not more. ^^ ) A fourth brother with the opposite trajectory would have been interesting as well: Startin at ManCity, with the same CA/PA, and going to non-league age 20 (and if you can add a second future transfer make that happen when he's 40) :D

The reason for not improving at a semi pro club is that with only training 2x per week he is losing CA, cancelling out the gains from playing.

Imagine being a twin and one out grows in height

Yeah the Hemel boys have awful determination 😂

My understanding with development through playing is it needs to be at the right level. If hes championship level at 16 and playing with and against worse players how will they improve. Whereas if he started at national league level or lower he would have improved at least to maybe league 2 level until hitting the ceiling then. Great video though, think it showed that the late bloomers are actually in the game and not just made up.

Did they win at all much kev ?

Should have been playing for Duckberg FC

Please do a manager career for Huey

I was rooting for Huey all throughout this

Part time players just haven't developed for a few editions of FM now

1.8 mill a week, Louie definitely won in the end.

Would've been interesting to have one with no fixed transfer to see if the game can develop him through transfers

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

I tried that and he went to Man City as soon as he turned 17…

@yogsblogs

7 ай бұрын

@@lollujo ahhh fair enough then, those rascals at City know a good player don't they

Three identical wonderkids? I think their mum deserves an MBE

How did Huey's manager career end

hmm haha seen this somewhere before haha

Well this seems familiar

26:30 the amount of games that give ratings (minimal 15min played) also take the reputation of the league into account. These are the most important factors to a 18+ year old Before 18 its about training facilities, training schedule (time) and quality of coaches Having a semi pro training schedule, 0.5 star rating coaches and facilities.. only to go 18+ and get match ratings in a 1 star reputation League is indeed like nothing at all (the game is ofcourse designed to have high potential players being picked up by higher League teams) Nice experiment though, do agree you need a lab coat next time! Ps. Did the guy going to Saudi Arabia in the end still make more money than the (most likely) multiple balon d'or winner at Man City?

@patrickodan

7 ай бұрын

he earned the same in his 2 years as the other earned in 8 years at city. so came closer but would have needed another year in saudi.

I think being on the youth contract doesnt help the development, no full time contract so assume dont train with the team....

Is Hemel Hempstead's badge Henry VIII??

Felt sorry for Hamel Hampstead loosing there 2 best players on a free could have at least sold them for a fee lol ...

In all his time at AC Milan Louie did not once win the Serie A or anything with them.

To be fair Kalvin Philips has started about as many games for England as Man City! 🙄

I think trapping 2 players in the National League is a massive bias. I would like to see the same experiment with the 2 starting in non-league but not trapped in it

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

They just leave as soon as they turn 17. I originally tried it with just 2 players, one at City and one at Hemel. Before they even turned 18 they were both at City!

@floriandagniaux948

7 ай бұрын

@@lollujo That’s the problem with the English leagues. I need time to think at the perfect experimental protocol

@42ArthurDent42

7 ай бұрын

@@floriandagniaux948 If you manage to do it, i'd like to see if it's better for dewie to play win man city u18 or to be loaned in league one... In my saves, i tend not to loan young players and make them play some times in A team and the rest of the time in u18....

I think the idea of getting better from playing is when you play at your or above your level, when you have players with AP of 125 playing with teams that have players with 30-80 AP, they would never really get better, cause they have no reason to. at least that's my take of it. Also, whoever was the AI manager of the first team is a idiot, playing both twins at the same time, in 5 years he should of been in the PL by then

Justice for Huey

Christmas dinner would be TENSE AF for a number of years. £5 p/w v £450k p/w 😅

I wonder if the two lads stuck in non league would have developed better at a professional non league team rather than being semi pro's for the duration of their time there

Leave Tom to make this videos mate

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

No thank you

tomfm did this

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

Never heard of him

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Ducktales FC

its really hard following your video when the names are so similar

I'm cheering for huey kev also tamworthhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

@Mr_Godmode

7 ай бұрын

he did it

#JUSTICEFORHUEY

How do you actually create and trap a player? I cannot work it out for the life of me!!!!

@lollujo

7 ай бұрын

Create them in the editor, trap them by arranging a future transfer for them

@lachieontopp1278

7 ай бұрын

@@lollujo pre game editor or in game? I can’t work out how to do the future transfer for the life of me

Why does every football manager youtuber always give the wonderkids similar-sounding names? It's always Barry, Larry and Harry or something like that. Why can't you call one Phil and the other Gregorio or something?