Double check your chain line is straight with your new hub and freewheel. May be as simple as a spacer or two on the cranks/bb. You could also try a chain guide and tensioner combo.

i'd recommend the reverse components chain tensioner. it doesn't seem that you can go wrong with it.

@fafinnn

Жыл бұрын

That's right. My friend also bought super hard spring form hardware store for like 3$ and it's so fvckin tense rn 0_0. no way it's gonna fall off.

@parfumisme

Жыл бұрын

I've used a Surly singleator tensioner pushing the chain up instead of down for better chain wrap. Should work great, too

@kimberlylowe1398

Жыл бұрын

Reverse is the best

@BramBiesiekierski

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I'm gonna check out the reverse. I have a kindernay vii IGH, and the tensioner that they supply is garbage.

I just appreciate how you say what a lot of us are thinking.. “that’s park tools for ya” like; seriously… it’s an injection molded piece.

I bet editing this video took longer than building the set of wheels. Good stuff mate.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Oh absolutely. Building a wheel goes pretty quickly. I hope more people try it

@MTBndMore

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga if possible please make a how to guide of how to choose correct spoke length! Most of the videos I see only only confuse me more 😅

@bobvelting379

Жыл бұрын

@@MTBndMore I have not yet seen a video on it, but at the shop, I work at we use the spoke calculator from sapim. it is pretty straightforward to use

@korbinmcdowell3069

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga please make a video on choosing apple and lenth

@korbinmcdowell3069

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga *spoke

Nice to see the ex511 rim. My bike shop just built me up some wheels recently with the 511s after I did a ton of research about how strong they are. Serving me well so far.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

I kinda bought it by accident. I saw the video from Fanatik bike Co torture testing a DT Swiss rim and thought it was the ex511. It's out it was a fr561 or w/e. But I hope the 511 is just as good

@ryanmichels2981

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga from my research it looked pretty close to the fr560. Some top enduro guys thrashed the 511s and they seem to hold up well. Dt has kind of superseded both though with the new Fr541.

@thehighground4920

Жыл бұрын

@@jaycarneygiants haha I just did the exact same thing

@BlueGoose29

Жыл бұрын

I just got a set of ex511s, was a no brainer with welded 30mm rims. Bomb proof

@BlueGoose29

6 ай бұрын

@@bthomas518 cool to hear these wheels have treated you right... I absolutely love mine with 350 hubs. there's a lot more I could have mentioned as to why I chose this set but your reply pretty much sums it up 🤘

I'd try using a half link to try to eliminate a chain tensioner completely. Otherwise I've heard good things about the reverse components tensioner.

@hindesite

Жыл бұрын

How does that work for narrow wide chainring?

@joshualuna-li931

Жыл бұрын

@@hindesite it doesn't!

@jamesallenmainieri

Жыл бұрын

​@@hindesite idk if narrow wide is a necessity for this bike at this point

@mcndjxlefnd

Жыл бұрын

@@hindesite he won't need a narrow wide if he gets his chain length correct.

@hindesite

Жыл бұрын

@@mcndjxlefnd won't need one, but one is already fitted. So to use a half link he'd have to change his chainring, which was kind of my point.

Those specialized slaughter tires are by far my favorite tires I have ever used. I have been mountain biking since 2004-2005 when I started too.

Because it’s a hardtail, you don’t need a chain tensioner if you have the right chain length. I recommend playing around with a half link or 2 to get the proper chain tension

@MrJob91

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the style of dropouts unfortunately.

@felixburman5988

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJob91 not really. With a through axle obviously there is no movement for the hub. This means that what I assume you were thinking is that you can't adjust the tension. This is true but you can still run a single speed, no tensioner setup by using a "unicorn gear" these can be found by putting the chain stay length into an online calculator as well as the desired gear ratio. This will then calculate the perfect gears meaning no tensioner. Also as op mentioned, you can use a half link or 2 or even a full half link chain to increase the adjustability. Finally I'm pretty sure you can see at the start of the video there is no tensioner so this proves it as well.

Evan, been watching your videos since the Nucleus. Kudos to you for putting out informative and entertaining content. You deserve 10 X the subscriptions. Great work!

Thanks for all the info about the hubs and the different triangles lol good to know!!

The Surly Singleator comes with a secondary spring for reversing the tension to upwards instead of downwards, and the tension of it is tuneable. Both of these adjustments combined, paired with a good chainline should make the setup much more reliable.

I’m loving this series so far!! Keep it up!!!

For the chain tensioning I would recommend an eccentric bottom bracket. Its a chain tensioning system that uses oval shaped bearing cups to chain length and apply tension, plus they look really minimal and clean. Wheels mfg makes some really good models that fit most dub cranks.

@davidowle3772

Жыл бұрын

I came here to say eccentric bottom bracket. Seconded. Also, there was a comment about minding your chainline, which is also important. The ultimate is to have dropouts on (a new/different) frame with horizontal adjustment.

@valkeding

Жыл бұрын

@@davidowle3772 I came her to say beltdrive. If there's no chain, can't loose it. Running a belt with eccentric dropouts, love it.

Keep up the great content Man! 👍

Sweet wheel build! That bike definitely needs a Marzocchi Z1 or a red Lyrik. Pretty sweet build so far. Loving the gold accents. Will definitely be adding some to my next bike

Shred shirts ordered! Love the design! Can’t wait to rep!

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Dude thanks so much! I just submitted it to production, should ship out tomorrow!

Its a good day when he posts

Definitely recommend the reverse components chain tensioner, I run one on my full suspension 🤙🏻

Try a half bmx link chain, you might be able to ditch the tensioner entirely. Also, most people don’t know about half links, so it could make for a cool video segment

Love this.

Hell of a job on the video sir keep it up wish you had big boy sizes I’d def support

Great video

Nice job. Don't know what BB style that frame has but now just head on over to First Components and find one of there EBBs that will fit your frame and get rid of that tensioner .

Paul Components are great! I am using their brakes for my bikepacking bike and the beauty of the hand made machining is astonishing! Plus they are pretty local to me :)

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Oh no way you have the Klampers?!? I want to try those so badly!!

@emersonmeadows2896

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga you should! I’m sure you could make a great video comparing them to hydraulics of the same price! Because, wow! they are not cheap lol!

Geometry lessons with Evan! 😅 Isosceles, scalene, yeah I haven’t heard those terms in forever 😂 great video man!

You can buy what I think are called eccentric bottom brackets which means that you don't need a chain tensioner at all. Pretty elegant solution. Also can a single speed actually be good for going up hills that aren't too steep.

Paul hubs, WI freewheel and a DT rim? Paired with black butted spokes and that's quite the wheel! The Park truing stand is designed to be bolted to the end of a workbench so much of it protrudes past the workbench for ease of use. You'll have a MUCH easier time tightening loose nipples if you seat the spokes in the hub flanges before beginning. All that spoke bend is caused by the spoke elbows not being properly cold-set into the flanges. And boiled linseed oil is the best spoke nipple lube/thread locker. This will greatly reduce nipple problems when you're reaching final tensions. Just be careful with linseed - soiled rags will spontaneously combust and burn your shop/house down! As mentioned below, I'd toss the chain tensioner and use an eccentric BB if you can.

I wanted to buy that bike but someone beat me too it, glad to see it was you and now I get to watch along as you build it!

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Haha dang no way! The guy said was posted for two months

I did this on a different hardtail. Two things that were successful: correct offset crank and shortest chain length possible with the tensioner pushing from the bottom of the chain (pushing up). Good luck, you can get it!

The EX Rim came with DT Swiss Squorx Nipples, i suggest getting a DT Swiss Squorx "Driver" / "Key". There is a reason why torx is so aswesome. If you dont want the properiatrty tool you could also try to get Nipple Wrenches that not only put on stress on two sides of the square but also grab a portion on all sides. I dont know how to describe them, but they are almost closed squared with only a small spacing to get it on the spoke first and then slide it from the top on the nipple. With the normal nipple wrenches different tolerances could F up and round the nipple. This Vid is what i love about wheelbuilding, it opens up a new world, geeky stuff that is not found as a whole wheel on the market. Way to go 💪

bin the chain tensioner and get a chain guide instead, full fat version with a jockey wheel, like a MRP G2 or a e-thirteen LG1

A half link chain is what you're looking for. Built a single speed with no chain tensioner or sliding rear axle and the chain is nice and tight.

I use a fully stretched deraileur as a tensioner on singlespeed. No shifter or cable. You can align it and fix it into position with the H and L screws so it doesn't move. Haven't had the chain come off yet.

“When’s the last time you heard those terms” haha Nice hub

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Haha thanks man!

Get a dual pulley chain tensioner or get a half link and ditch the tensioner all together. Also, when it comes to freewheels, I always just tighten them a little bit and let it spin on the rest of the way with the first couple pedal strokes, I've never seen someone use the tool to tighten it.

Trick build of wheel used thick string as spokes on front wheel then cycled little wobbly but did short journey. Top spokes take most of the stress very interesting

Recently had to relace my rear wheel. Kept popping the cheap spokes. Replaced all of them with the sapim "strong" single butted 13g/14g spokes. Emtb running a good bit of power through the mid drive so something stronger was definitely needed.

right tool for the right job

Lacing up my own wheels has been easily the most rewarding part of my own full build. I didn't get a stand but have a good eye and went with the bike and diy stuff and finally brought it to the lbs to check over! I saved money and made a bombproof wheelset! Dt350 jbend boost 28h and raceface ARC rims. 54t upgrade and amazing stuff! A great wheelset is an expensive but noticeable upgrade. Maybe 2nd to a dropper IMHO.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you build your own wheels! It's super fun and you can know every bolt and screw on your bike is tightened by you

@jerryspeedbumps512

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga did you end up using brass nipples?

I’d try using an old DH deraliuer with extended limit screws to keep it in place

Love this bike

i'd reccommend you to buy an eccentric bottom bracket so that you dont have to use a chain tentioner! also use half links (they make for a stronger chain)

@jamesallenmainieri

Жыл бұрын

Coming from freestyle street bmx I second the half link, and the bb idea seems like something Evan would be into. Plus it fits into his new budget because we're talking under 200 in parts

@highnoon4515

Жыл бұрын

Not really i haved half link on my bmx and they are not that strong how they advertise it doesn’t have much diff from regular chain

@jamesallenmainieri

Жыл бұрын

@@highnoon4515 the appeal for the half link in this case is to be able to adjust chain slack, not strength

Yess ETRD chain tensioner would be nice if you can find one.

Yes! You got to ride the railyard! Sick Dude.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

I haven't rode steep lips in forever! I'm okay with making excuses, I didn't hit the big line. It's pretty big! Haha but I couldn't take a crank

@TheCaptainsCog

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga I don't ever hit the big lines. Im perfectly fine being an over 40 mediocre medium line rider. 😅⚓👍

You might also consider the First or Phil EBB. May still need a half link to get the tension right though. I spent awhile figuring out a “magic ratio” on mine and was able to get away with no tensioner, though mine is looser than ideal. DMR tensioner is OK as another option.

try the reverse chain tensioner i used it, before i bought a dirt jumper, and i was happy wit it

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Thanks I'll look into that. The one I have is cheap crap lol

I use a dmr simple tension seeker, it’s a fixed position tensioner and also you can use it to push the chain up rather than pull it down

Now you need to get one of those Paul components chain tensioners

Ahh the white industries eno! The green 72ep trials one was the best freewheel back when I used to ride trials!

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the green has better engagement. I was luckily able to order mine off Amazon with prime shipping. From the White Ind site, it says there's a wait list 🤦‍♂️

@benpc1794

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga I'm pretty sure the red had 36ep and a 3 pawl mechanism, where as the green had 6 pawls and 72ep :).

the soulcraft convert will allow you to set the tension as you like without having to worry about a spring. however im a fan on fixed chainstay setups just going with a gear combination that arrives at the correct tension.

Gotta get that Paul Melvin!

I definitely appreciate this hardtail hardtail series you’re doing, as I’m a hardtail enthusiast. The one thing I dislike is that you switched from 2.8 tires to 2.6. If you ever do switch back to 2.8, I recommend trying the Maxxis Rekon plus.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Those 2.8's were really really nice on the trail. I'm curious how these 2.6 will work on the trail. I have one final video left on this particular hardtail build so I'll keep you updated

@Darkridgefilms

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga much appreciated! I’m currently trying to build up my channel, and my main bike that I use is my 2022 Rocky Mountain growler 40. After I saw your hardcore hardtail, I decided to convert mine from 29” to 27.5x2.8. To say it’s a fun bike would be an understatement

Hey Evan I’d suggest getting yourself a reverse colab chain tensioner works super well at stopping the chain hoping of because it has two jockey wheels instead of one like you currently have hope this helps

what helped me on my dirt jumper was using 11 speed chain. It isn't as strong as the single speed, but it holds on much much better. You should try that, you don't even have to buy expensive one

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips! I'm going for the strongest set up possible so I can put the power down on climbs

Its pretty cool seeing you do jumps. I can definitely tell your an ex bmx racer. I used to race bmx in AZ also. Down in Lake Havasu and Parker AZ. That was back in the late 90s.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I saw that Lake Havasu track from afar about two years ago. Still there! BMX is rad you should revisit it! I'm thinking about doing the same.

damn those salughter grid tires bring back good memories. i had 27.5/3.0 ones and only reason I stopped using them is because I road onroad and offroad so I felt the rolling resistance more. now use debarons but I would still get them again

Paul’s components has a good tensioner. Set and forget

Reverse components or the SB one single speed tensioner. If its hard to get either of them another option is to grab a 7sp dh derailleur and chuck a short piece of shifter cable in it to hold tension

I love the wheel, and I bet the bike is killer on the flow trails. But get a dirt jumper for the Pumptrack, it will feel so much more playful.

Been SSing for 25 years. Run the ridiculously cheap Shimano Deore Tensioner if you want best bang for the buck, or a Paul Melvin if you want to spend. Unless you run a tiny rear cog, the Shimano will work really well. Or upgrade to a proper SS frame with adjustable drop outs ;)

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

SS is so fun. I hope everyone experiences it at least once. I think I'm going to do a few SS builds moving foward

either fix a chainline or add chainguard. Narrow-wide rear gear probably not an option :)

Half link is a possibility or a fixed tensioner as you don’t need slung loaded as your not running rear suspension on that bike so chain growth isn’t an issue

I have a few single speed specific hubs and they definitely have a cleaner look and build up a stronger wheel. I’m not sure if it would be that noticeable but I noticed that my SS wheels don’t get out of true as much as my geared hub wheels. I also believe this is why Pivot and many other manufacturers started using the new Boost plus 157mm standard and obviously most DH specific bike use wider hubs. I have a friend that raced Foes bikes and it had a 160mm hub.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah my Alchemy has super boost. It's a noticeable difference!

The ztto tensioner is actually adjustable. I had an issue where it would skip under max power but I adjusted the tensioner and that fixed it. The tensioner is cheap too.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah it definitely has got to go. Now that I used this wheel, got smaller tires, I now feel the frame stiffness!!

Yea my next chain tensioner is defo gonna be a reverse components bit pricey but looks so strong

Try the Reverse chain tensioner. I only heard good things about them and they have good quality :)

@tobiasbockdh3007

Жыл бұрын

nah they lose there stiffnes pretts fast buy a sb one its about the same price and way better

Building a strong wheel issue #1: 28 hole. Good call on the wide stance equal spoke length though. Those EX 511's are DH strong too.

get a chain tensioner with two wheels it will make the chain a lot more tensioned or you can use a rear derailleur with a clutch

@hubertjurek2047

Жыл бұрын

i had a shimano alfine and it was very good but my dumbass didnt know how to use it so i left it in my basement and its gone now, but its a solid and cheap tensioner

Thanks for the nice video. I you still want to be able to easily and effectively true your wheel after two or three years of hard riding, use brass nips. Oh, and wait for the day you need to get that free wheel off. Holy crow!!! They stick tight.

I thought that you forgot to install the phr washers, but you instaleld them. I grease the ball of the nipple and both sides of the washer. This way they: 1:spine easier 2: the PHR washer sticks to the rim when tightening it the first time and the washers will sit properly on the rim. If they sit crooked on the rim, they will get bent. There are small dots on the PHR washer at the top an the bottom of the washer, facing the direction of the rim 3. If you mainly use DT Wheels, I reccomend on buying the DT T handle wrench for Squorx nipples. Its really easy to work with and you dont mark the nipples. Good luck and happy riding

@valdisurbans

Жыл бұрын

No need for DT squorx tool, E5 torx socket on 1/4 stubby ratchet wrench works great.

@m0nss7erKill

Жыл бұрын

@@valdisurbans We have deep E5 at work, that we use for the initial even tightening of the spokes. I use my DT T handle for the whole build at home. And the E5 socket is a bit loose on the nipples. It works, but yea. I prefer the tool

Sb one chain tensioner is the Way to go

Get a tensioner that wraps the chain more around the freewheel, pushes up into the freewheel rather than below, your chain is skipping over the sprocket...

If you don’t care about weight, you could use a half link chain. It allows you to get perfect tension without a tensioner

Without sliding dropouts, you will have to use a chain tensioner. You could try half link chains as well.

Get a proper SB ONE chain tensioner. Slopestyle riders run them on full sus bikes and the retention is rock solid. Make sure to get the good version thouh, the cheaper one has a weaker spring and can occasionally create problems.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

That's interesting. Does it hold the chain on without a clutch, even on full sus?

If you want the chain not to fall, look for a chain guard similar to DH

bro if you dont wanna put a chain tensioner, you can put a half link chain, it is more precise for have a good chain tension without chain tensioner, with a tensioner the reverse components is the good one

Just installed a slaughter on the rear of my hard tail. It’s better in the back for trails but if your riding hardpact I don’t see how it’ll hurt in the front.

you should get the reverse components chain tensioner, or just a chian tensioner with 2 pulleys

Could you make a series where you try to learn a couple of tricks on your single-speed.

I can’t recommend enough a 2-pulley tensioner of some sort like others mentioned… speaking from experience. Or you can try finding that sweet spot without a tensioner, there’s a chain inch and cog size calculator out there somewhere online

Take a couple links out of that chain and see if you can get it on without the tensioner.

Try just using an old short cage derailleur as a chain tensioner, the extra jocket wheel will hold the chain on the sprocket

I used a regular derailleur paired with an old Shimano index shifter and tighten the screw down till tension locked the shifter was stuck in place.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I've heard using an old derailleur is a good way to do it

Use an old 10 speed or similar derailleur to tension chain. Works very well, and quite a few examples on KZread on how to set up. Also, is that chain compatible with a narrow/wide chainring?

Maybe clean out the freehub for the crap noise out of the old ones btw. Works wonders

easiest way to chain tension is take an old derailleur and use a short piece of cable to adjust to the chainline and lock it down

Not all wheels make a scalene triangle these days, most rims these days come with an offset spike hole design that aligns the spike holes more in the center of the hub making them a lot stronger.

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

What offsets do they do on the rim? Maybe like 3mm? The drive side flange will be offset 30mm. I was shocked at the discrepancy of tension needed for drive side and non drive side when I switched to mtb

@dylanperschon8479

Жыл бұрын

@@EvansMTBSaga right it isn’t a whole ton of offset but it’s enough to give a good balance between stiffness and flexibility, I have race face AR 30 wheels on my bike and I haven’t had any issues or haven’t noticed any bad glazing or anything. I would definitely recommend trying some on your Meta

You should make a video on your bike collection.

You should have went for the white industries eno trials freewheel because it has more engagement points because your other bikes have much more engagement points and it wouldn't feel as weird going from a bike to an other

You officially have bent spokes!

0:44 am I seeing a crooked chainline? also making sure chain thickness matches the sprockets.. other then that, I say find a frame with sliding dropouts. you can mix wheels adjust chain tension and also wheel base! I love my regular honzo , and esd .

you cab use a rigid chain tensioner instead of a sprung one for example a dmr tensioner

You install chain guards on both sides of the single sprocket. If you insert an aluminum guard larger in diameter than the sprocket, the problem will be solved.

I used an old derailleur on my sons single speed jump bike, I'd love to know what your chain line looks like

Evan, have you heard of Crank Brothers Iodine wheelset? I'm not sure if they still make them. They were cool looking wheels🤘🤘

As others said I would gi with reverse components chain tensioner

I think the SB1 DH Chain tensioner is the best

There are some videos on KZread on magic chain ratio so you don’t need a tensioner. I believe there was a website that they used where you enter your variables and it lets you know all the potential cog variants that you could run. Just not sure if would work with thru axels? 🤔 I guess your dream hardtail needs thru axle sliding rear dropouts

@EvansMTBSaga

Жыл бұрын

Oh cool! I got lucky last time with a 32/16, but I wen to 17 in the back for this

0:27 spokes don't lace to the brake rotor mount last time I looked.