OK, so 1 week of ownership of my new SantaFe 'Premium' PHEV here in the UK. Premium is the 'base' model, and 'Ultimate' is the upper trim level (where you can also specify nappa leather, at a cost). My choice was 'premium; as it doesn't lose me the headroom as it is the 'ultimate' which has the sunroof. The only feature I could not have (that I wanted) was the 360' camera. Here in the UK (right-hand-drive) they both come with 7 seats; so the trunk space is limited as we don't get the deep underfloor storage - we get seats! Charging is now better (thanks Peter) because the 'granny charger' comes with a default of 6A charge rate (we are on 240volts), but you can press buttons on it to select 8A or 10A. On the 10A, your rate becomes ~5:30. (I think some markets can select 12A as well - we can't; at 240v). I ran the battery down deliberately and found that it settled between 12% and 15% so that it ran as a regular hybrid - bear in mind that this is the heavier 4x4, but has the 13.8kW battery. (The 2WD has a 1.28kW battery, so less hybrid performance, but also less weight). I installed a dedicated socket outlet (for the 'granny'), coupled with a consumption meter so that I could see what the electric running really costs me. I was conscious that the mpg which Hyundai quote doesn't factor in the electrical power costs. So now the numbers.... We went out yesterday for a 'cruise' at about 60mph on the motorway - and ran at a reported 41.5mpg in hybrid mode (nice warm day, no aircon - just opened windows). When we only drive locally, the car reports as low as 25mpg because it is cold starts, and short runs ~ usually as little as 2 miles. My electric charge shows about 14kWh to fill the battery to maximum, and I'm assuming a range of 30 miles on electric power down to 15% ~ when it automatically defaults to hybrid mode. UK costs of 32.7pence (£0.327) per kWh gives about 15 pence per mile. I think our standard electricity unit cost is one of the 6 highest in the world (I read yesterday). Using our petrol/gasoline current supermarket price of £6.165 per UK gallon, I calculate:~ 40mpg 15.4 p/mile 30mpg 24.5 p/mile 25mpg 24.6 p/mile 20mpg 30.8 p/mile The electric cost of ~15p/mile is equivalent to ~42mpg NOTE:~ A little bit of rounding in the calculations, and note that a US gallon is 80% the size of the UK gallon (funny really, as we always thought everything was bigger over there! Cars are: the SantaFe is the largest in the range here; and the 7-seat Kia Sorento sibling. We don't get the larger models). So for me, electric running for local is marginally the best, or even more so given that short running only gives me 25-30mpg on petrol/gas. I'll guess that winter will be similar because battery performance also 'dulls' with the cold, matching the extra petrol/gas use. Hope this is useful. I'm going to monitor for a while as I'm still 'running in' and only show just over 200 miles yet. When it runs in, and maybe I use performance a bit more... Who knows! Thanks for your reviews Peter; they helped me immensely in making my choice moving from a Mercedes Benz diesel (with horrendous costly problems with NOX sensors over 8 years!!). I thought I'd return the favour with my initial review. E&OE

Absolute good explanation.

@PeterLoweOne

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I have found that the PHEV still operates as a self-charging hybrid if you don't charge it up, except that in this mode it only utilises 20% of the battery capacity. That's not bad because it is 20% of 13.8kW instead of 100% of 1.2kW on the simple hybrid. Also found that charge with the 'granny cable' is 5 hours, but from a wallbox still takes 3:30 because the on board charger is only 3.3kW. And a plus in Europe - the SF is a 7-seat as standard EDIT: I collected mine last week (UK). Charging isn't as fast as I'd seen on other reviews! 'Granny cable' is definitely an overnight charge - it was about 15 hours in total from the ~20% level. It won't run in EV mode below about 20% charge, but reverts to HEV mode so that it can use the battery intelligently. Still an absolutely stunning drive, but I will be having a wall-box installed - only needs to be low powered (you can get 3.6kW/7kW models - default to 3.6kW mode for the SantaFe)

@herrtomas6729

Жыл бұрын

And the other thing I found about economy (on your long interstate cruises) is that you should set ECO mode, which basically runs you in 2WD which saves fuel.

@PeterLoweOne

Жыл бұрын

Interesting! I didn't realize that it was a 7 seater there! We don't have that option in Canada.

@herrtomas6729

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterLoweOne We don't get the larger model - is it the 'Palisade'? The SantaFe is the biggest in our market. And the Kia Sorento 7 seater.

@mouseclicksforu9724

10 ай бұрын

@@herrtomas6729 the hyundai santa fe is a 5 seater suv!

@herrtomas6729

10 ай бұрын

@@mouseclicksforu9724 not in UK, right hand drive. Mine IS 7 seats

Hi, I've recently bought one in quebec. I've been told that my warranty will be voided if i'll do any kind of rust treatment since it may affect electrical components. Could you please advice something? There should be a hyundai approved way to protect the car from rust

Peter, since you have this car, can you do a trunk comparison between this car and a Nissan rogue the comparison would be wonderful.

@PeterLoweOne

Жыл бұрын

I can probably do that. It won't be this week, but I'll try to do that soon.

this looks like a pretty nice *CUV.* i have just one question. the heated seat buttons show heat rising from bottom cushion only. are the _seatback_ cushions heated as well?

@Stepuntik

7 ай бұрын

yes, they are

@googoo-gjoob

7 ай бұрын

@@Stepuntik please and thank you

@Stepuntik

7 ай бұрын

@@googoo-gjoob glad to be of help ;)

Going to see mine on Thursday - found one in stock here (UK). Otherwise being quoted April 2024 factory order

@PeterLoweOne

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow! Yeah I've told our team that there is a significant wait for these vehicles. I love having one around, but I'm sure it won't last.

@herrtomas6729

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterLoweOne It could be that the RHD market is worse than left-hand-drive for waiting. It has just been reported that Tesla has cancelled all RHD orders in the UK - you can only currently order LHD here!

@herrtomas6729

Жыл бұрын

Just fixed collection date for 1st June for mine. Dealer had ordered it on 20th May last year as a demonstrator, but selling it straight to me (I had to compromise on colour choice for quicker availability - but metallic white isn’t bad) It only arrived on their lot on Tuesday…

Hi. Good video. I have the plug in hybrid and have recently just gone over the 100,000 kms. I had some one tell me that they have the Tucson and they could charge at a speed of up to 7-8 KW but my Santa Fe seems to max out at 3KW. Do you know what they should be able to charge at. I use a 7kw walk box at home. Thanks

@herrtomas6729

10 ай бұрын

I've just fitted a 7kWh(max) wallbox here in the UK, but this shows charge at 3.6kWh(max). The SantaFe onboard only accepts 3.3kWh as its own limit. With the 'granny charger', I charge at 2.2kWh/10A/240v which is expected. This takes 5:30 total from empty (12%). With my new wallbox at the SantaFe's maximum rate, this is now 3:30

@herrtomas6729

10 ай бұрын

The definitive answer (on my UK spec model) is:~ The 'granny charger', as we call it, comes set to 6Amp output and takes ages to charge. You can press buttons to take this up to 10A output, which charges from empty in about 5:30 If you fit a proper wallbox (according to all your local codes etc), you will find that the wallbox CAN supply up to 7kWh ~ however, the SantaFe PHEV's on board kit only allows charge at up to 3.3kWh - and that is your limitation. Having said that, I have just bought/installed an EVEC (manufacturer) charger and set its limit to 3.6kWh, and this now charges mine from empty (=13%) in 3:30. For me the cost is £4:08GBP because our electricity has just come down to 29.94pence/kWh. For me this is good because petrol is now just over £1:40GBP per litre so does make electric mileage cheaper. ALSO, the final bonus in very short running is that electric mileage always costs the same, whereas petrol miles initially cost more as you have to start with a cold engine. (As my wife is disabled, I do have to make many short journeys where I would normally not use the car. EV miles are definitely a bonus). I picked up my car at the start of June, so summer running only - I wait to see what winter running costs by comparison.

I own the 2022 santa fe for the last year. I love it and I did not buy it to win races. For local drives we are getting 1.7 to 3 l/100 km. In the winter is it much less. Running only as a hybrid no plug we get about 7 l/100 km. The inside of the limited is absolutely fantastic. The apple car play is not perfect and could use some improvement. Primarly the wireless charger makes the phone too hot. the wipers are not really designed for winter conditions. The say they are made for aerodynamics. No one gives a shit about aerodynamics in a winter storm. Ideally they would install a led light on the charger area to assist with the plug in. 3.5 h to charge with a level 2 and 11.5 hours to charge with a level 1. Would i change the Santa Fe for any other PHEV? NO. My wife's friends have outlanders and they are all jealous. It is a keeper.

That is the vehicle I wanted but settled for the gas only model.

@PeterLoweOne

Жыл бұрын

Both are great. I moved to a PHEV over the last year and for my type of driving, it's really worked well. Either way, the Santa Fe is a great vehicle.

I'm confused by your description of "hybrid" mode once the electric power is consumed? Does this Sante Fe have regenerative Braking recharging the battery? Or is the Battery Power provided solely achieved by Plugging it in? I agree that people who solely run around town doing chores, etc., it makes some sense vs a pur I.C.E. vehicle. However, one must do the math! The Hybrids (gas/electic or PHEVs) cost considerably more than the conventional models. Even at current $4 /gallon for regular octane fuel in the NY Suburbabn area, it would take Years of driving to meet the eco equilibrium. I wonder if PHEVs are as affected by batteries getting wet, especially with salt water ? Check out what happened to the Teslas that got wet with salt water and flooding in Florida from Ian hurricane. There numerous fires, that included totally burned Houses after the Teslas were parked in the Garages with wet batteries !! The Fire Chief in Naples Florida, said that the Fire Dept. can only let the fires burnout for Hours. It takes well over an hour of pouri ng water on the car top put the fires out! The other issue in warmer climates is that running the AC runs out the battery quickly, particulalry if you are stuck in traffic going to work. I think all of this is not worth the effort for long commutes to and from Work. I like the pure Gas / Electric Hybrids (like the CRVs and others) where there is Regenerative Braking to charge the batteries for the electric motor.

@PeterLoweOne

Жыл бұрын

This DOES have regenerative braking that charges the battery as well. It's tough to describe in just the KZread comment section, but imagine that the battery holds 100 percent, and it charges to 100 percent by plugging in... once the battery drains to 15 percent (or so) it functions exactly as a hybrid that you describe. So it has regenerative braking and the engine can also work to charge the battery. If you never plugged the vehicle in, it would still charge and deplete as a hybrid. The difference with plugging in is that you can drive for extended distances on pure electric before it switches to a hybrid. As far as saving money, that will be up to the individual user. I drive a PHEV and it only has about 40 kilometres of range (I'm Canadian, I measure in kilometres) but I've had several tanks of gas where I've gone over 2000 kilometres on pure electric and still had 500 or so kilometres of gas, (so 2500+ kms per tank. If you do a lot of short trips, they can pay off quicker than you'd think, and some of these vehicles can be purchased with decent tax credits depending on your location. As far as all of your concerns about fires, I won't go into that. There have been issues with Electrified vehicles, and there are still issues with gasoline vehicles. It's up to the individual to decide if it's right for them. On my particular PHEV, I have significantly more horsepower and torque than the equivalent non-phev so it's not only about value for me, it's also about how it drives. A Mustang GT is not less expensive to drive than a Mustang, but people continue to buy them. For me the PHEV that I have is the same thing. Just like Mustang GT buyers like the way their GT drives, I like the way my PHEV drives.

Pretty sure that's the 8" infotainment or it wouldn't have wireless AA (the larger screens don't in the US anyway). The 10.25" screen in the Santa Fe I drove looks larger than that (and the knobs are on the center console as a result). I drove a '23, though, so I suppose it could be different? Also, there is a TSB out for these turbo engines regarding fuel dilution with the engine not running as much to burn off the gas in the oil. Something to consider.

@PeterLoweOne

Жыл бұрын

Whoops! You're right about the screen! Sorry about that! As far as fuel dilution, that's common in every PHEV. Jeep deals with this by putting the vehicle into a mode that runs the engine, called FORM. Hyundai has a tsb, but I feel like that's as much about educating people involved with PHEV's as much as a service issue. If you have a gasoline engine, you're going to need to run it to maintain it. Short runs aren't enough. So that's a bigger discussion that I'd be willing to have in the future in greater detail.

@stargate25645

Жыл бұрын

@@PeterLoweOne I know you said you didn't want to discuss it, but I have to ask, did the ECU change affect your mileage much in hybrid mode? That's my concern. I will add that the lack of a heat pump and EV+ functionality (compare with the new 2023 Niros) was also disappointing. But I did enjoy the buttons of the Santa Fe more than the gloss piano black and touch buttons of the new Tucson, Sportage, and Niro.

Hi

Funny you mention kilometers but you also said mileage and pounds.

@PeterLoweOne

6 ай бұрын

I measure myself in pounds, as do most Canadians. We speak of fuel efficiency as fuel mileage, but yes, the speed and distance traveled is in kilometers. Our proximity to the U.S.A. and access to their media creates a little bit of a mix for our measurements.

Anybody knows why Hyundai discontinued this model for 2024 ??

@PeterLoweOne

2 ай бұрын

My guess is that they have a limited production line of hybrid capability. In other words, they need to supply every dealer that sells the Santa Fe with a wide variety of models, all at once. So the Hybrid and PHEV are probably on a delayed release as they are lower volume models. Once every dealers has a complete line of gas models, they'll begin to filter out the PHEV models in the future.

Are you serious? PHEV is 500lb heavier than the gas version of Santa FW.