I think it's worth mentioning that the 562 probably wasn't broken in yet. I noticed a change on mine about 8 or 9 tanks. A change that made me raise my eyebrows. Now, I love a Stihl and I would love to try a 400, but honestly, for the extra money it costs over thw 562 I just can't see it. I used to run 044s all the time and I have been very imprwssed with the 562, it screams.

The reset was not quite finished on the 400. needs to come back down in rpms after it revs up high

Interesting results. This is great timing on this video for me and it is helping me out. Thanks again!

Boedy and coffee, best way to start the day! 😁👍🏼 Oh and appreciate the tip on the tach. A mid price point tach was exactly what I was looking for! 👍🏼

This is sorta how I feel about most stihl products. They are good nothing to hide about that, but they aren't performance machines. I think they are built to last in comparison to other brands. Husqvarna, imo, is built for performance more these days than it used to be years ago. Echo on the other hand has always been about quality, long lasting equipment with torque and broad power curves for any user. Pros and homes owners can pick up an echo and feel like they can get it done. But like with every brand not every model built gives us that feeling. I'll say this the entry level stihls are gutless, same as the echos and husqvarnas. It's all really about preference and what you're using it for. Comparing a stock 590 echo to any pro saw such as the 562xp, stihl 362/400 is not really fair. Put the 620p in there out of the box against the husqvarna and stihl, then we might have a true pro saw shootout. Nothing against what you're doing at all because it's cool as hell to see the badass comparisons period! I agree the Stihl should easily outperform them all with the larger engine. I really think it's more about preference and how the machine feels in the user's hand than anything. Great videos! Keep it going bro!

@ericfuller6326

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but At least husqvarnas inventor wasn’t a nazi. An S.S. Nazi actually

@ericfuller6326

Жыл бұрын

@@Bobcat85-yl8oo guys clearly an antisemite

562xp is hands down the best 60cc class saw ever made!! I scored a new in the box 2022 model and a blew up 2021 model last week. Already have the blew up one build and cutting. I have owned 6 of them including these 2. And always feel like I lost my best friend when I sell one. Lol

@billymann5325

7 ай бұрын

What went wrong with the 562 that blew up?

@ShanePhillips-mv7bi

Ай бұрын

Except 61

I sold a 1st gen early 562 and picked up a new 400C. Both bone stock. They are both good saws for what they were designed to do. Power to weight is really good. It boils down to what feels best in your hands.

I been up since about 2am myself. Same thing. Oaks start blooming is my indication that I’m about to be miserable. Husky 562💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

I've had all these saws stk and ported. In my experience the 620 needed ported to run with a stk muffler modded 562. My ported 562 also out pulls the stk muffler modded 400

@novicelumberjack

Жыл бұрын

All are fun and good saws, but each has their own place. The Husqvarna 5 series saws are just incredibly good.

@jamiedalluge9472

Жыл бұрын

@@novicelumberjack I was pretty impressed with that 590

Flonase and Zyrtec is what I use and it helps. I’m in Upstate SC! The pollen is awful!!! I feel your pain!!!

If I'm not mistaken I believe the Stihl 's need to be warmed up thoroughly pre M-tronic reset.same as if you were going to adjust a manual carburetor. Then shut of and restart in 💎 start position/calibration whatever you call it. Rest of the comments regarding M-tronic. Reset were pretty spot on Past this. Just my 2 ¢.

May be a dumb question but why do you hold the pull cord out slightly when you cut the saw off?

You mentioned that 620 from another video, you converted it from a 590 into a 620 plus the 6 degree timing key, since you have the 620 coil, have you tried running it without the advanced key? Since you mentioned you think it’s advanced too much, that thought just came to mind

Mustard is actually really good for burns, it naturally draws heat. Old mountain remedies here in Ky

@mastojira6561

Жыл бұрын

Initially I read mustard is really good on buns. In which I'd agree all day. Neat to know of the remedies as well.

A commentor on another 400c video stated that you should touch wood if cutting logs before opening it up. Since the saw is continously trying to adjust for conditions if you peg it out of the wood it adjusts for limbing. I didn't hear the saw stumble here like I did in that video so think you put it to wood before it adjusted for no/light load. Just thought it was good information to share.

looking forward to some ported Echos!

What tack are you using that works on the auto tune

Will always love that extra torque from stihl when in a bigger cut. Can't get anywhere cutting lil sticks

The 50cc, 60cc, 70cc era is what I can see over. To see the 59cc and the 67cc etc as a 60cc is probably not doing much good since producers change the cc of there saws to get the best result when comparing.

Boedy your grabbing the tiller exhaust reminded me of a childhood story of myself. I was at my Grandparents and my Mom came to pick me up, She pulled up in the car, an old 1980 something Nissan Stanza wagon, she pulled up and I don't think she had even switched it off yet and I grabbed the tail pipe full bore. Boy was that rough, I didn't get mustard on my hand but my granddad for some reason grabbed some wild onions out of the yard and rubbed them all over that hand, I don't remember it helping though but he got an A for effort.

I believe Husqvarna autotune had way more R&D than the M-tronic. I bought a new in box from dealer Jonsered 2260 in 2015, never had an issue or any weird running since out of the box. Also never anything strange from my 592 I bought fall of 2022. My 400 I bought summer of 2022 I had to recalibrate a couple times before it got right.

I wouldn’t think the magnesium piston won’t last as long as the aluminum piston. I do feel Stihl wins in the 50cc saw category though…it will match the 550xp mark 2 in performance and a pound lighter in weight is a big difference on small saws. The 462c doesn’t seem to be as well made as the 572xp either but it is a fast cutting saw. I went with 572xp…though had the 500i been out I’d probably went with that at the time. Always liked the Stihl Top handle saws though…but Husky did make new ones recently. My Favorite Stihl’s I’ve used are the 150t 201T 461 and 661c. Never tried 500i but it looks impressive for power and weight. Being first of its kind though time will tell more. That magnesium piston just seems like a way to beat Husky on specs not concerned with longevity IMHO.

I'd like to see the ms 400 vs echo cs 680 with a muffler mod! Now we're getting somewhere. Especially considering price difference.

Any plans to muffler mod the 562 or 400 and rerun these tests?

@novicelumberjack why do you pull the rope when you shut off the saws? Maybe make a video explaining why you do it

Time to open up and mod the 562 and ms400!!! Warranties are for weenies!!!

When you do the reset you need to shut it off right after so it sets its memory. So that weird rpm change in the cut was still in calibration mode

Ohh so close on the recalibration, sounds like it went into limp mode for a few. I've made that error before. Stihl's latest little whip zippity do-dads can be a little finicky sometimes.

EXCELLENT video. I imagine the 400 is lighter than the standard 038. But it does Not out cut it as far as I can see. It's like no improvement in 35 years. Nor does it outcut in any way the 266 Husky. And the 044 Stihl is in a whole nother arena. And it's Great to see the 562 is in the chips ! Pulls good for a small saw. There isn't an oak tree in Alaska so I would be in easier wood. And the biggest thing is the 562 is available with heated handles and carb !

I’m knew to this world. I bought a husky 445 for home use and ended up owning a firewood company. I agreed to become a vendor for the state. I started getting orders for a couple cords a day and had to up my chainsaw game. So I grabbed the ms-400 because my local dealer didn’t have the Stihl 462 or a husky 562. I took it to the wood yard and my old husky took 30 seconds to cut an oak log and the new one took 5. I know they are different sizes, heck I was routing for my old husky, but man that 400 is an amazing machine. I can cut up a 3 axel truck load in a day with it. Took me a week before. Worth every penny

@ChrisPyle

6 ай бұрын

New* can’t spell either

@Sethhaun78

4 ай бұрын

562xp is OK. But once you get 462cm..modified correctly..there s no point to a 59cc saw that in real world weights the same as 462 at 72cc ..with 80cc attitude

@ChrisPyle

4 ай бұрын

@@Sethhaun78 while I agree with you (I've used both) a 46 inch oak got ripped to shreds today with the 400 and there was no need for a bigger saw. For most other wood, why waste the energy or gas of running it? I'm all about power so I feel you man, but there's a point where enough is enough unless you need so crazy stuff taken care of. I'd say anything bigger than a 25 inch bar and you're 100% right. For everything else? Enjoy the high RPMs the magnesium piston and the light weight.

I like my 562. It has been modded and has a bit more torque. But sharp chain and chain speed is where Husqvarna shines. I like Sthil saws. My 660 is a beast. I can dog it in and it will run. I have never seen a Husqvarna dogged in the wood that wouldn’t choke out.

Much depends on how the owner maintains their saw. Sharp chains? Cleaned up saw? Air filter clean? Do you warm it properly? Pulling and pinning is hard on a cold saw and can cause damage. Bars in good shape? Use a good oil, not the cheapest crap you find. Run non-e fuel if possible. Depending on how much you cut, change fuel, oil filters as needed. Inspect fuel and oil lines at the same time. They will both be reliable for years to come.

I finally got a couple c83s I'll be trying them out after the video ty

@novicelumberjack

Жыл бұрын

You'll love them. They last a long time before they need sharpened as well.

@shawncaudill424

Жыл бұрын

@@novicelumberjack OMG brother what have you done that chain is absolutely amazing wow I've never cut with speed like this before

@novicelumberjack

Жыл бұрын

@shawncaudill424 SEE!!! I ain't kidding around when I say they are the fastest chains out there. They even beat most square grinds. You really wanna fly? Take two normal swipes off each raker.

Just an add for the Stihl guys on the reset procedure -you actually hold the throttle wide open until it cycles through that same pattern twice is my understanding- the second time it goes full throttle you're fully set. That MAY have been why it stumbled as it was still working on the top side. Just a guess. I advocate guys do that reset daily ideally or at least every 30 degrees shift/seasonally.

@mrtreejunkie

Жыл бұрын

I’ve also put the brake on during choke and release upon full throttle after 30secs plus you should let it cycle that high rev twice and cut it off completely then restart! From my understanding and it will work perfectly. Has for all my climbers and 661c and 362c ! I always reset them once a week cause we cut everyday!

Recently ran a 400 same day as my 362 mtronic. I expected it to be a baby 500. I was very disappointed. Didn't seem to have any more zip or go than my 362. I'll probably still get a 400 if a tweaker steals the 362... I mean, it's not any worse.

Haven't pinned down what or what all I'm allergic to. Up until my late teens, I don't remember having any allergies. Since then, every dang spring! Not every day but pretty much March to June is a gamble. Had my first stuffy head, dry sinus headache yesterday😐 Unless you make a living on saws, I'm still not seeing a good enough reason, in this size class to spend the extra $500ish!

Hey do you know are the full wrap handles that come on the farmer Tech 372 the height of the original edition or the xtorq

@rodneykroeker867

3 ай бұрын

The original

The ms 400 is also 8cc's bigger, so it should perform better than a 59 cc saw in theory

Alright.. Last video.. then I got windblown trees to get out. Can't miss a "middleweight saw" Boedy video. Edit: I had a hex-nut brand mark on my leg for probably 15 years from a dirt bike. Layed the bike over on my leg like a dumbass 😂

I’ve owned a landscaping company for the last 20 years and can tell you each companies published cc’s on their respective equipment are not usually even close to what they actually are husky and Stihl equipment hold up well while all other brands only make it a year or two with hard use

@derriklee287

6 ай бұрын

So you've done all the work to find out their exact cc huh? Yea bull fucking shit dude. I doubt that

What RPM'S Did the Stihl pull in the cut? We're you able to get a reading?

@novicelumberjack

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't get a reading.

@swampfoxpicks6908

Жыл бұрын

​@@novicelumberjack lol🤔

Aller life. Changed my life I take one pill every day I have zero allergie issues.

I would love to put my big bore 61 against them to see where it stands against them best new saws. Cheers

With that much displacement advantage I thought that stihl would walk away from the husky but I guess not

Basically Budweiser versus coors. Both are good

How does a 562 compare power wise to an Old husky 61?

@Nsaishie

Ай бұрын

562 will be noticeably faster. Modern saws have the high chain speed that older saws simply didn't have.

It's that time of year for them wonderful allergies. All them new toys are keeping you busy.

👍👍

I think the Husky 565 or 572xp would be a more apples to apples comparison to the 400. Specifically the 565 as I believe it’s a slightly detuned 572xp. That being said I don’t think the 400 would fair very well…

Hi, how is that c83 on 1,6mm bar? They seem to be real close after the proper tune. How are they on a fuel? Maybe ms462 is the solution since it is similar in weight with 562xp?😅 Thank U for Your time!

@novicelumberjack

Жыл бұрын

It isn't a 1,6mm bar. It is .050. America. One of the great things about living here is that Stihl is being forced to adapt. .063 or as you call it, 1,6mm is a useless gauge and Stihl is really the only manufacturer pushing it in anything under a 32" or even a 36" bar. Here in the US, the customers have quit buying Stihl bars because the often only come in stupid 1,6mm gauge. There is no reason to have a chain that thick. It just wastes energy.

@Szczyrczek

Жыл бұрын

@Novice Lumberjack I see, didn't know that, here in Europe it is that stupid 1.6mm, good to know, thanks.

@alexstromberg7696

Жыл бұрын

@@Szczyrczek only stihl uses 1.6mm

@alexstromberg7696

Жыл бұрын

@@novicelumberjack they ground down the drivers on all 1.3mm chains. All stihl 3/8 chains are 1.6mm at the straps.

@Szczyrczek

Жыл бұрын

@@alexstromberg7696 Yes, I am aware of that. What do you about 562xp vs ms400 vs ms462 since they are all close in weight?

I have a 400 and I can definitely say something is wrong with that one. I never choke it out for 30 seconds like that. Whoever ported that 400 messed it up

The new saws just get the job done, no fuss.

Stihl specifically designed the ms400cm for the 20inch bar. Lots of people running tests with a 25 inch bar and complaining. Run all tests with 20 inch bars and get consistent correct results

@VitaKet

5 ай бұрын

Why is the stock option the 25 inch then?

@SLT93OutdoorAdventures

4 ай бұрын

@@VitaKet says right on their website recommended bar length 20inch idk what else to tell you

You are an absolute Crazy person ;) In tne positive way!!

don't forget the 400 is ligther

Must say not overly impressed with stihl...whether it needs more time to break in not sure. The husky does sound gutless, obviously suited more to short bars in stock form, and still performed better than I thought it would. I'd say the dolly 6100 is very comparable to both of these. Though does need a muffler mod, really only downside, maybe a smidge heavier.

👍🆙BigGuy

Put a piece of tape on your saws & keep track of tanks of fuel or other data.

Yes it's an old-time remedy they're saying is not good anymore.

Thanks for reminding me about Samantha Fox I have to leave now.

Mustard is acutely good to put on burns

You still didn't finish the calibration. You're supposed hold the throttle wide open until it drops engine speed after the rev up, then shut it off and it's calibrated. If you don't, it will not set the high jet.

@novicelumberjack

Жыл бұрын

Tim caught me on that too. that's a crazy long time to hold it wide open throttle! I'll go back and do it right.

@stevenpate8490

Жыл бұрын

@@novicelumberjack yessir, I run an Egan straightshot on mine. She's a screamin monster.

@michaelduncan123

Жыл бұрын

You also need to engage the chain break before you start it. Then you run it for the 30 seconds in choke mode, disengage the chain break and hold the throttle wide open until it finishes, and then shut it off and restart it.

@Forged721

Жыл бұрын

Steve so what's the full mtronic start up Choke on Leave it for 30secs Hold it wide with choke on ? Then switch off

@Forged721

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelduncan123 all with the choke on ?

fangen wir dann auch irgendwann mal an zu sägen nach dem gelabere

Is it not “macho” to set the saw on the ground, put your foot into handle and pull your balls off anymore? I love watching these guys pull these saws like they do. Most guys don’t have an easy time with doing it that way but yet you will never see them set the saw down 😂 (not a jab at u novice, this a general statement abt KZreadrs) I’ve seen guys put saws away and not use them cause they couldn’t pull it that day vs set it down 😂

When calibrating the Stihl, your suppose to let it kick back down after it goes nuts for the 15-20 seconds

@keemez

8 ай бұрын

when in grade school, "your" "suppose" to pay attention to English

67cc vs 59cc....

Hehe

Comment from me

Husqvarna nr 1 4 mi

Stihl MS400 4,0 kW (5,4 PS) 66,8 cm³ // Husquarna 562 XP 3,5 kW (4,7 PS) 59.8 cm³ it is an unfair comparison

Husky saws the best buy far.

I own the first 562 first year they came out I own a 400 I 462 Stihl . I own lots of Husqvarna saws I'm a husky man from 1980s . But I love the power to weight ratio from the new stilhs.But I always will be a husky man my dealer sales both brands. And he sales me the husky s a lot cheaper so I will put up with extra weight for now.

ccvscc Husky beats it , matanence low cost husky beats it, downtime husky wins lowest downtime, price husky beats it. Until you use them daily you wont ever change saws the husky is the back country Prof saw for a reason.