I live in Alaska. Been here 29 years. 6.5 creedmoor is my caliber of choice.

@madmaxxcrosby

6 ай бұрын

Not match ammo target rounds though right ? Don’t they make hunting specific rounds

@fmpabxx7834

6 ай бұрын

@@madmaxxcrosby 129gr Venari soft point 👌

@madmaxxcrosby

6 ай бұрын

@@fmpabxx7834 thank you brother 🤞🏽

Stopped listening two minutes in. After hearing 585 yards and it took 5 shots.

@billmcginnis123

8 ай бұрын

Not to mention match ammo isn't intended for animals.

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

Should finish it with experience with that bullet, its quite comical how it was shot X amount of times due to operator error.

@HeadHickbilly

3 ай бұрын

I agree. This video really ticks me off. Use the right weapon so you don’t have to torture the animal. Guess you thought it was a challenge or fun.

I've taken 4 moose with 140gr Sellior and Bellot Sp in 6.5 creedmoor. However, we are Alberta hunters from 50 years ago. One in the engine, one in the shoulder, any extras in the engine room. I've only needed 2 shots ever. BUT! these are all under 300yds.... That matters - alot.... That S&B soft point is a superb bullet for creedmoor. SIde note. We don't use Hornady ELDX bullets in creedmoor due a couple shattering on ribs on 2 whitetails requiring a 2nd to finish. We won't use them. The good old copper lead soft point just pounds right through... On every moose the bullets went through vitals with great expansion.... He used a Match bullet...No wonder Creedmoor gets a bad wrap. It's a fabulous caliber when used appropriately

@Lure-Benson

4 ай бұрын

You failed to state those are the smaller Shiras moose not the largest of all Moose the Yukon Moose found in northern BC to Alaska. Just calling a Moose just a Moose shows someone stupid and ignorance.

@edwardabrahamiii3742

2 ай бұрын

Ive used 153 grain sellier an bellot soft point downed my moose in 1 shot to the kneck behind the ear

6.5 creed is more then enough for a moose . Heart shot or lung shot its over. Love 6.5

@Lure-Benson

8 ай бұрын

What do you know? and now many Yukon moose have you killed, and do you know not all Mooser are the same species? I have guided Yukon Moose and brown bear hunts since 1989 and the only animal that nearly killed me was from a stupid client to refused to fallow direction to bring a 338 mag or larger then showed up with a deer gun 30-06 The moose he shot with the deer gun 30-06 was only stunned so when I walked up to it the moose jumped up then charges me from 20 feet I was hit in the face by the left horn, and I shot it dead landing on me.

@andrewcleveland

8 ай бұрын

I’m a huge fan of the 6.5’s but it was not designed as a long range hunting round. I’ve loaded and shot thousands of Rounds through 6.5CM, 6.5x55, and 260 rem. The Swedes used the 6.5x55 for over a hundred years on moose, but I can guarantee they wasn’t shooting at almost 600 yards and definitely wasn’t using a target bullet. 300 yards and under a good premium 140 grain 6.5 has great sectional density for penetration. Me personally if I was on a moose hunt I would Carry my 416 Taylor improved with my 300 grain tsx load at 2650 fps. Or my 416 Remington magnum with a 340 grain woodleigh pp at 2700 fps. I use these on whitetail for fun, but both would make exceptional moose loads.

@Lure-Benson

8 ай бұрын

@@andrewcleveland As an Alaskan and a guide that did Yukon moose hunts with clients from 1989 to 2019, I want to point out on KZread anytime moose are talked about the level of ignorance Moose aren't all the same with the Yukon moose is the largest of all species of Moose with these moose are 1200 to 1500 pounds a hunter in Alaska is going to shoot. In Europe and Nordic countries and lower 48 states the moose are allot smaller with the lower 48 states Moose being the Shiras Moose. I started shooting Moose in Alaska using a 300 Wby mag and that was some of the craziest I have ever seen when shooting a Moose repeated times and watching steam blowing out of the bullet holes then wait to see is the moose going to fall over then no ! so shoot it again and again! It is the craziest thing you ever seen! I got the moose every time, but ammo used even reloads aren't cheap when using High quality bullets, and meat thrown away was like 200 pounds of meat left for the bears because of blood shot and bone blasted fragments all through the meat and blood shot. Then came the 338-win mag that greatly improved how fast a moose fell over and later came the CZ 550 in 9.3x62 Mauser I shot reloads of Barns TSX 286 grain bullets that for 10 year rolled those Moose right over. So, in my opinion it is bullet large caliber and energy was the key factor for me to put down these moose fast. It became very clear each time a rifle caliber was bumped up the faster these Moose rolled over from being shot.

@Lure-Benson

8 ай бұрын

@@andrewcleveland You might like the European 6.5x68 ? / the parent case I believe is the 8mmx68-S. I see cartridge brass for reloading are available in the US from online sites.

@andrewcleveland

8 ай бұрын

@@Lure-Benson I have no doubt how insanely tough moose are. That’s why I said I would carry one of my 416’s if I ever went after one 😁. I’m glad you mentioned the 9.3x62 ! I also use one one of those on whitetail along side my 416’s lol. I only have two loads for the 9.3 but they are both loaded to modern pressures. 286 gr soft point at 2510 fps and a 250 accubond at 2625 fps. As great as the 338 win mag is I’d be hard pressed to choose it over the 9.3x62. I have studied the 6.5x68 and it’s amazing some of the cartridges the Europeans made decades before the American versions came out.

why use match bullet when there is a lot of good hunting bullets? Use norma bondstrike, cutting edge maximus, hammer hunter,..next time.

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

Theres the impact velocity where those options start performing quite poorly and instead he used a bullet that does perform well at that impact velocity

I'm a new hunter I like/use the 6.5 creedmoor but I'll never shoot a animal past 400yds unless my freezer is empty and I'm starved. The guys (hunters with 20+yrs) I try to emulate preach one shot one kill, ethical kills are paramount, if I took more than 3 shots on an animal they'd make me go back to the range to improve and/or make me move up in caliber.

@robertmartin8184

10 ай бұрын

Right on. You have been taught well.

@Extra_Ordinary_Gary

10 ай бұрын

I agree with you for most hunting, but moose is different. Moose aren't hard to kill, their killbox is the size of a beach ball. But when you are out there, hours from anything, in miserable terrain, you shoot until it's down. My 62.5 inch bull took 3 rounds from my 338 RCM. The first was a double lung on a run, I didn't "need" to do more. I kept going until he didn't go anymore. Those monsters can run for a minute, end up in a swamp or alders then you get to try and cut, quarter, and pack out from there. I'm not a fan of this guy's story, but expecting one shot kills is a limited worldview.

@J_D_Rambro

10 ай бұрын

@@Extra_Ordinary_Gary 100% In Mt, Elk are the biggest I 'll hunt, if I'm lucky to draw moose I'd go .308 or use it as and excuse to buy my dream gun of Desert Tech or Barrett in 338lapua. I know from talking to experienced hunters one shot kills aren't the norm, if I'm out matched I won't take the shot, and if an animal doesn't drop, I have guys in my head like you yelling keep shooting until its dispatched

@Extra_Ordinary_Gary

10 ай бұрын

@@J_D_Rambro I never hunted elk, but I actually hear they are tougher animals than moose. With good bullets, a 308 would do it. People use 308, 7-08, 270 often for moose up here in AK, but as they say, never too much as too dead. I'd say 30-06 and 30 magnums are kings up here. I only know 1 guy that moose hunts with a Lapua. Probably way overkill haha. Good luck carrying that rifle lol

@J_D_Rambro

10 ай бұрын

@@Extra_Ordinary_Gary desert tech bolt action bullpup won't be too bad (I think) plus I'd pick a bullet weight to try and match what would be ethical kills for the hunt. Again I have guys that keep me on the right path!

Surprised there was no mention of how much penetration or damage was done by the Hornady 147 ELD Match bullet itself. What did the recovered bullets look like? Did they expand much? How much weight did they retain?

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

Probably due to the fact that he's trying to blame the gear instead of taking responsibility for his shots. The animals that i have taken with that bullet at those impact speeds performed just as bullets that are advertised for hunting are advertised to perform.

@camonly849

7 ай бұрын

Probably didn't expand for crap at that distance. Especially being match ammo. This should be 300 yards and in. I could see trying it with the 6.5 prc, but even then that's a long distance.

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

@@camonly849 the eld match are softer constructed than the bullets advertised for hunting at long range. The impact speeds encountered at this distance are right in the working range of that bullet.

@Murphy_13507

6 ай бұрын

They exploded more likely. Horrible. Match bullets don’t belong in the hunting field. A 140 ttsx or 127lrx would of been more the. Enough with one shot This is not a video you should learn from

@camonly849

6 ай бұрын

@@NorthRiverGuide why would match bullet be softer?

585 yds !!! Yeah, that's the issue. No adequate power left at that range....power drastically diminishes at those ranges. What do you have left? Maybe 1250 ft pounds if your lucky and velocity well under 2000 fps, below adequate velocity for proper bullet expansion, and top it off with a non-hunting bullet....not recommended for hunting by the manufacturer....perfect recipe for disaster. Damn lucky the moose didn't run away into the brush after gut shooting it....Poor decisions, unethical shooting, all rolled into one. Hitting the target is not the issue when the energy and velocity are below what is ethical for the task at hand. This is a perfect instructional video for a classroom to teach what not to do, and what mindset not to have. Please note that the times moose are gut shot or legs broke, and they run away into the brush never to be recovered, and die slow torturous agonizing painful deaths, note that those videos never see the light of day... The Creedmoor is an adequate moose cartridge within it's limitations. It mirrors the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser which has been a favorite moose rifle in Scandinavia for over a hundred years. But they are shooting moose under 200 yds and more often under 100 yards and they are using 156 gr to 160 bullets like the Lapua Mega 156 gr 6.5. The right bullet for the right job, at appropriate ranges equal no problems....not like this cluster.

@kenbyker6696

9 ай бұрын

Using a MATCH design bullet for hunting,let alone on an animal this size and weight, TOTALLY unethical!!! You may have gotten lucky, but with NO expansion,and a hole the size of a pencil!!! This is not ethical hunting!!! This is a pure EGO trip!!! And a disaster waiting to happen!!!

@Lure-Benson

8 ай бұрын

@@kenbyker6696 You aren't the only one who see that as an ass hole taking chances. I have guide Yukon Moose and Brown bear hunts since 1989 . All of my clients are required to bring a 338 win mag of larger and bring Barns ammo or go find another guide because I'm not losing my life for any idiot because I as the guide have to go looking for wounded game that often is not happy to be shot and see you as a threat !

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

The issues i see are not related to equipment, that was straight up a very poor performance on the shooter's part. 585yds isn't really a difficult shot and considering what that bullet actually does terminally, was a decent option for that impact velocity. The problem we are seeing is walking rounds into vitals, then once there expecting a bang flop on a double lung hit. It appeared to have expired in short order when the vital hits were made. Your velocity and energy figures were in the ballpark if this hunt was at sea level which it appears is not the case as they are up in the mountains, the eld match has a softer construction than bullets advertised for hunting where 1600fps is still fast enough for expansion.

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

​@@Lure-Bensonwith a 338 minimum, instead of going with a bullet that leaves a narrow wound channel, you could get your clients to go with the 285gr eld match. Getting deep penetration due to s.d. and having relatively soft construction that provides wider wound channels.

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

​@@kenbyker6696i see you have no real experience with the discussed bullet. Painting all bullets in that category with the same brush despite how they are constructed or how they actually work in the real world.

hunting is how close you can get, 500+ yards come on, that was cruel a 338 would have done the same thing

I’m sure it can be done but it wouldn’t be my first choice.

I've seen this same thing with way bigger cartridges.

I took my last moose with 6.5 creedmoor downed em in 1 no need for follow up shots b4 i left i even flexed on my uncle my brother an my dad put my pointer finger up an said 1 shot! 😂 i did it!

A long bombers dude shooting match ammo at 600 yds and pincushion him I wonder if the guy can read it says right on the box not recommended for hunting

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

'Not recommended' doesn't mean what you think it means. Just because something isn't recommended doesn't mean they are recommending against it. It is merely a legal disclaimer stating that they aren't pushing that product for that purpose.

its not good hunting

The caliber choice is not the biggest problem. My biggest problem was the moron using match ammo on a moose. I want even use match ammo on a deer. Match ammo should be used on paper and real hunting bullets should be used on game!

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

In that scenario his bullet choice was one of the best options.

@danielwhite2427

7 ай бұрын

@@NorthRiverGuide even at a long distance I would not use it on thick skin game. I just don't trust it.

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

@@danielwhite2427 moose are not particularly thick skinned or heavy boned.

Hornady ELD M (match) ? Where is the logic in hunting moose sized game with match grade bullets? Even Hornady dont market this bullet for such an application.

Federal fusion factory ammo never match ammo !

This is the exact stories that make the 6.5 creedmor hated.

@edwardabrahamiii3742

2 ай бұрын

Yet i downed my last moose with a 153 grain sellier an bellot soft point to the neck

585,,,,,,,,,,with a creedmoor,, ,,lucky it was recovered,,,stupid,,

Stopped video at eld match it's a match bullet not a hunting bullet

FFS get closer and use enough gun with the right bullet! Using animals as long range targets ! 7 shots! I wouldn’t be sharing that

@gastrofile

6 ай бұрын

There are plenty of Alaskans who have no trouble doing the job with a Creed or 7-08, but at the right ranges. The problem is the round was underpowered for 500+ yards; I would guess even for 400 yards. At 250, it's excellent.

Horrible! Using match ammo for hunting. Ignorant morons with no regards for the animals they hunt should be punished. Is it legal to use match ammo for hunting there?

@chub4141

8 ай бұрын

Yeah it doesn't say right on the box not recommended for hunting but I guess if your long bombing at animals ego is more important than reading

@user-qf4od3we5i

8 ай бұрын

That's not true at all... Match ammo has proven better expansion at distance. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y5aspsx9iKexfZc.html

@NorthRiverGuide

7 ай бұрын

Interesting approach, calling folks who use match bullets for hunting ignorant, while at the same time displaying an ignorance as to how the bullet actually works....

The take away is. Don't use anything smaller then a 270 w. Or maybe just to far away.

Not a good look....

I'd never shoot a animal that size, that far with a 6.5cm. Creed is more than enough gun for varmint, deer, goats, ram, etc. Within 400yds But elk and moose, beer, I think you need a little more powder. Maybe a 7mm rem mag at minimum, or a 30-06. Little more oomph and sheer knock down

@RustyRed17

9 ай бұрын

For moose it’s more about bullet weight and distance, the heaviest bullet I’ve found for 6.5 creedmoor is Sako Deerhead 156gr bonded soft point, it’s a rapid expansion bullet so it offers good stopping power. I do know that the family of 6.5’s have long been in use for moose hunting but I don’t know what ranges they’re commonly dropped within. Most of the people I hunt with use 7mm Remington magnum, .300wsm, .300win mag and I doubt there’s really any comparison between 6.5 creedmoor and magnums. I haven’t taken a shot at a moose with my 6.5 yet, but when I do I’ll be damn sure to hit the lungs and heart because I don’t feel like following a blood trail for hours lol

@Lure-Benson

8 ай бұрын

I require a client to bring at least a 338-win mag with Barns ammo.

@mogulrider

7 ай бұрын

I've taken 4 moose with creedmoor. But never over 300yds.. It's lazy

@Lure-Benson

7 ай бұрын

@@mogulrider I'm sure you call all moose a same Moose don't you because you haven't a clue there are different species of Moose with the largest is the Yukon Moose in Alaska and the smallest is the Shiras Moose. As an Alaskan and Alaskan professional hunting guide since 1989 anyone who thinks using deer guns on 1500-pound Yukon moose is a total idiot and is risking their life by getting charged and killed by these Hugh mean tempered Yukon moose.

.270 would have been ideal

You should really take down this video. This really ticks me off how It looks like some dude is thinking it would be cool or a challenge to shoot this undersized gun and watch the animal suffer. Awesome. I won’t be watching more of this crap

Grass is 4-4.5 feet tall, so the 6’ tall moose just disappear. Makes total sense. It took him 5 shots with a bullet not designed for hunting. This guy should not be hunting and the guides should know better than to allow unethical hunting.

@Lure-Benson

8 ай бұрын

You nailed it ! I have guided Yukon moose and brown bear hunts since 1989 and I require clients to bring not less than a 338 win mag and Barns ammo or go find another guide. The danger to your life is real here, wound a Moose and have to go looking for it the risk of being charged is real or run into a Brown bear doubles the risk.

You guys thought this would be a good episode? Bunch of clowns

@HeadHickbilly

3 ай бұрын

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The actual hell is this. You wilfully tortured a moose for your ego. 585 with bullets not designed for hunting out of a cartridge producing less than 1500lbs of energy at 500 let alone nearly 600. This would have been fine at 200 or even 300 with a proper bullet and placement. You poorly placed the first couple shots to only "walk in" the next 4 by some miracle the moose stayed put, probably hopping to die sooner or later. Here is a perfect example of an ego hunter.

6.5 Creedmoor really getting tired of hearing about it.

@killshotcentral

Жыл бұрын

Yah it's not a preferred hunting round. In the breakdown Clint talks about it not being the choice caliber for Moose. It gives some great insight on the hunting side of it.

@realmetis8002

Жыл бұрын

​@Kill Shot Central let's be honest..I seen this happen with 30-06 and 300 win mag..I would not use a 6.5 cm for moose however like I mentioned previously it happens with bigger caliber..maby not with 6 shots but you get the point..hello from ontario canada..thanks for sharing this crucial video

@kcinislit

11 ай бұрын

@@killshotcentral little kids kill moose every year with .243’s, using a match bullet is where he fucked up.. i stopped listening once i heard he shot a moose at 585 yards with a creedmoor and a match bullet lol.. this is clearly a guy who thought moose weren’t much tougher than your average whitetail or muley… just kind of stupid in my opinion

@tbo2307

10 ай бұрын

I have used 300 WSM, but on reindeer it dont kill better than a 6,5x55. I agree that the 6.5 CM, just like the 6,5x55, makes it much easier to see where you hit. I sold my 300 WSM and now I shoot much better with my 6,5x55.

@RustyRed17

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@killshotcentralHe used an ELDM, a round not designed for hunting, so of course it isn’t going to be ideal for dropping a moose at 500+ yds. Match bullets aren’t designed to expand as much as hunting rounds, like the Hornady ELD-X, but even those tend to fragment on impact.

Guys!!! Unless the manufacturer has implicitly stated that they can be. STOP USING MATCH BULLETS FOR HUNTING. They give absolutely ZERO thought or consideration as to what happens to bullet after it hits the target, they only worry about getting the bullet to the target. A shooter shows his skills by hitting the target accurately. A hunter shows his skill by getting as close as possible to their quarry and then placing the shot accurately. If you are willing to get within 60 yards with a bow, you can stalk within a 100 yards with a rifle.!

☹ Obviously, Killing the Animal Quickly Wasn't Your Priority (Your All About "Bragging Rights")! 🤮

Way too cool of an animal to be killed by such a gay cartridge.

Using moose as target practice? Gross My 300bee with 200gr ELDX. Bang flop dead before they hit the ground . 6 moose and counting.