This is one of the problems that hunters have, they never have an efficient card draw, it even seems that they are afraid of the class becoming too strong, but the other classes are fine to have. It's impressive

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

Yeah it's like they want the class to be miserable with tools

@adamrozek5782

Ай бұрын

I mean. Draw is still viable in this class. It's just that, even warrior has amazing draws

@Bladius_

Ай бұрын

See I don't mind hunter being mid at drawing, it was always a defined weakness, to make up for our "lethality". But then you glance over at rogue, who has better lethality than us, gets mana cheat and best-in-game card draw. Same for priest, how is shadow priest allowed to kill people on turn 4, while THE aggro class has nothing close. They just printed hunter style cards for priest, made them better than they would have for hunter and called it a day. Like shadow touched attendant is a card that symergises perfectly with what hunter has done for it's entire history... Why is it in priest? (I think that card needs to go to at least 2 mana though so maybe it's just broken and that's why it annoys me so much.) Shadow priest also entirely negates the counterplay to getting boardwiped by just burning you anyway, if you kill thier stuff AND they can raise dead it back to hand.

8 mana 8/8 hunter legendary: "Battlecry: For the rest of the game, your Beasts have Charge"

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

this would be so fucking broken but im all for it

@DustyScales

Ай бұрын

Getting to turn 8 with your only mana cheat being greedy partner is going to make this as overrated as Odyn was at the time (for Wild, anyways)

@kennethxu1789

Ай бұрын

The question is, at what mana cost would this turn from too slow to broken

@adamrozek5782

Ай бұрын

U still can make this legendary cost 0 mana pretty easily brothers 😂

@vGhost01

Ай бұрын

@@adamrozek5782 How so?

idk it sounds more like wild is poorly designed than hunter is

Honestly, i found the spell versions of Hunter more interesting. Blizzard just wants beast swarm or big beasts for hunter most of the time

@DustyScales

Ай бұрын

Which would be fine if they were properly supported, and due to standard complaints they are just not lol

They keep giving Hunter cards to priest, so now Hunter doesn’t really have anything other than a “decent card pile” deck.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

surely giving the best face cards in the entire game to priest, a class with no face decks in its past and then giving hunter... 3 years of big beasts that are completely unplayable in wild won't have negative repercussions right?

@Bladius_

Ай бұрын

Shadow touched attendant is a hunter card painted white. There's no reason priest should have gotten it. Except if it was in hunter it would probably be a 1/1 or have been nerfed to 2 already.

They keep making hunter aggro. They made the new Hemet into a fun card, EXCEPT you can't play it coz you need beasts on field, then you need to trade them and after all that you get a few shitty beasts from the past. You could just add a battery: add 2 beasts from the past and it would still suck but at least you can have more fun. Instead it's all about aggro.

9:05 Why doesn't Mystery Egg count? _"Master's Call: 3 mans draw 3, not very useful."_ Man, I feel old. :/ 3 mana draw 3 still sounds pretty good to me.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

Master's call was barely even good when it came out in rr, most decks didn't even run it and it was completely useless past rr

@pokemonrampagemake

Ай бұрын

I think that has more to do with the fact that even running a single non-beast makes it absolutely terrible while running all beasts simply makes it decent to good It fits a slower deck much better that an aggro one but most survival tools are not beasts so it has no him really

Completely out of curiosity, I have a question: you mentioned how most classes that usually didn't have access to good card draw until recently, in Shaman, Warrior and Priest, started getting amazing draw options especially lately. Do you think that is healthy for the game?

@DustyScales

Ай бұрын

I'm not the guy but I have been active in the Shaman circles and brought Shaman to Legend (in Wild) during various periods before the "breakthrough" that was Alterac. Priest? That depends, considering that in one case the funny 1/3 had to be banned from Wild altogether because it was too much, but that was also an issue with the 2 major mana cheat cards in the class (mainly Radiant, but also Reading). Warrior and Shaman? Absolutely. Shaman was given a lot more life with its additional draw resources and Warrior also got something to compete with instead of both being relegated to diet coke Control-ish classes that had to crutch on one thing (which was Barov to Warrior and Flurgl to Shaman).

If they don't want to buff hunter's card draw they could at least buff class' random card generation/discover options. I know its a shit solution but random cards are better then no cards at all. Also i like the theme of hunter "adapting" to the situation and using whatever they find.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

they gave us interesting and on theme cards in bananas and barrel. Hyper efficient cards because they are also 3 cards in one but they then just refused to print more. Actual perfect card design but we never got more

not related to the video, but your new thumbnails are so much sexier than the previous ones

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

I am copying the yt meta

From my perspective as someone who has always had Hunter in the top played classes I've felt like Blizzard themselves have no fucking clue what they want Hunter to be. It is a degenerate class in low rank standard due to the nature of aggro decks + hero power so it always ended up "being viable" despite not doing anything unique or powerful. This is clearly not the direction they wanted hunter to take as they've done nothing but introduce niche, underpowered packages throughout the years that never get enough support and it all culminates into wild where we have a new shitty and unviable version in every expansion and *NOTHING* meshes together.. My absolute favourite was back in Kobolds and Catacombs when using Hunter in wild I could utilize Katrena + the Death Stalker Rexxar to make a late-game monster class that was unique with how much value it created while also having great counters against other classes' toxic tools. Right now Hunter is in the mud and I don't see how Blizzard can ever bring it back, as any new introcutions will make the game that much more miserable for the lower rank scrubs that get aggord down. The focus on Big Beasts recently is interesting but just doesn't achieve anything since every deck just otk's from hand way before a single big beast even does anything of value. Maybe restoring Questline to what it was? Naga Hero Power hunter was really the only other time in history that I remember enjoying playing the class and feeling like it had a unique playstyle.

Hunter basically need a tavern of time miniset

I mean wasn’t hunter tier 1 this expansion? At least in standard hunter seems to perform well, it did well in titans, sunken city, nathria, currently at whizbang, stormwind and alterac if current memory serves.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

you'd think the fact that at multiple points I bring up that its wild, or the fact that the wild icon is in the video, or that when showing cards I bring up wild cards, or I talk about wild cards, or me being a wild youtube channel you'd understand this is about wild right.

@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone Oh no I get totally that it is wild, i can see how my comment makes me appear totally clueless to that, welp hunter being bad is just a product of HS designing for standard (in which hunter is usually playable/ strong) instead than designing for the class or game as a whole which is a very normal tcg move, Just look at yugioh.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

yeah, it also stems from the fact that hunter's design is intentionally pushed for standard, rather than generic standalone good cards they give it super powerful synergy cards that are completely worthless in wild. Unlike other classes like rogue that just get crazier and crazier standalone cards.

@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone totally, hunter cards seems to always be synergistic, if a beast is good in hunter it usually is because there is some powerful cheating or handbuff present from other beasts and cards rather than receiving good cards.

Listening to this video right now, what makes Reno Hunter good though? A great counterpick deck?

@FlareHearthstone

7 күн бұрын

This is old but yeah it's just always good at counter picking combo decks since it can run disruption super easily (there are no good hunter cards to take up those slots) and the few good hunter cards are super aggressive

Man i remember when they killed my fun deck of gazrilla where you could draw the whole combo except for the ping damage off of the draw 3 beasts card, good times.

My idea for huhter card draw would be 4 mana 3/3 rare minion Specialized Collector : "draw a card for each minion of the same type youve played this game". This would reward mechs, beasts dragons but also be playable after just 2 or 3 of the same. Could even make it cheaper or track summons too if you want to really push. Then for the secret hunters make sayge a dual class card

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

menagerie could be cool but they have no synergy amongst themselves at all which wouldn't really do anything useful just drawing

@Wells13555

Ай бұрын

@FlareHearthstone my idea was not menagerie but of the "same type", so it would only work in beast or mech or dragon

great job! could you do the same for the death knight class?

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

It's already planned

@houssemmassaabi6554

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone Great!

Hunter in Wild is a prime example of why fair cards are simply not good. The class has a lot of fine cards by themselves that do things just fine, while not really cheating the game's mechanics (which kind of is a critical component to Wild decks). The class is simply way, way too fair.

Maybe they could do a hero power overhaul? The only time I enjoyed hunter was when I could play control/value variants like with deathstalker rexxar.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

Dk rexxar needs a buff to it's battlecry and it's heropower needs completely reworked which are two things blizzard would never do

Also If not for hollow hound hunter would not have any reliable heal, other than exposive trap and deathstalker rexxar hunter has no boardwide dmg (Ps: buff deathstalker rexxar)

@FlareHearthstone

25 күн бұрын

Dreadscale?

@Nono77xd

25 күн бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone after this video i watched your other hunter video and realized I forgot about him, ngl have not saw him in play since his buff

Cool vid! to be honest i pretty much forgot hunter exists, cant remember the last time i saw him on wild ladder lol. you had some great points i agree with but i think the core of the problem is in the format, not just hunter as a class. after all these years wild is a big mess and it doesnt feel any close to what it used to. board doesnt matter and every class has a way to end you from hand turn 5. even tho they recently made some cool changes people tend to forget that its wild and a few changes here and there wont really do none...

They rly dont want this class to b remotely good

@robinheinemann1740

Ай бұрын

Neither do I. You know the meta is in a terrible state if hunter is top tier. It's always the sign of an absolute cancer meta.

@Bladius_

Ай бұрын

@robinheinemann1740 in wild maybe, but in standard? When midrange hunter was tier 1 the meta was super stable and fun, hunter was best but by a slight margin and played a very fair curve out game. People cried about hunter, a deck not even very good at high ranks, and it was gutted. The meta instantly fell apart and devolved into otks, "unfun" crap and huge win rate outliers (on both ends). It's been like that until they had to emergency patch the entire power level of standard recently. If a fair midrange deck is the best deck in a format, and isn't a massive winrate outlier, it usually means the meta is incredibly healthy. In wild, if hunter is good there's an issue because it means the class that has bad cards works, which means something they printed is a massive power outlier. Usually that one outlier will get hit and kill the class.

I thought paladin was the worst class in the wild, at the time I made the decision to only craft cards from that class because people who aren't millionaires can't play all the decks in the game. As of today I'm thinking about un-crafting my entire paladin collection to craft a more powerful class. any recommendations? druid maybe?

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

paladin is *usually* pretty good its just been very unfortunate that blizzard refuses to make other classes as good in standard, so every paladin card gets nerfed and after the revert fiasco where a majority of completely fair cards didn't get reverted it fucked paladin very hard. I wouldn't disenchant the collection though, but yes druid / warlock / rogue / shaman are almost always going to be ontop of the format.

@carlongas1128

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone I'm not a free to play player but I've always needed arcane dust to create decks. What I used to enjoy the most was paladin and what frustrated me the most was the rotation of cards to wild, that's when I switched to that format. That's when I realised that the amount of cards out there was immense and that I would need arcane dust to complete decks that I would like to play. That's when I got into this vicious circle of disenchanting to be able to create decks because I personally can't afford to spend too much money on the game, I wish the game cost a specific amount of money and you get the whole collection, and for each expansion I would charge a small amount of money. I think the game can survive like that and with cosmetics, I've often stopped playing because of how abusive they are with the prices and I became more aware of it when I played competing games. Every time I want to play a deck it means arcane dust and that's why I went for a class so I don't have to be thinking ‘what a steal of a game’.

I think the cause of Hunter not having any win conditions is honestly because the class is balanced around “oh it kills on/before turn 5 or loses” most expansions.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

Yeah but rogue paladin demon hunter shaman and priest also all do that, while also having decks with winconditions, sure jace might be terrible but it's still better than anything hunter has

@MinoriGaming

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone Definitely, I’m just pondering what might be the root cause of Hunter’s design. Taking Standard right now, they didn’t print any new win conditions in Whizbang, just gave it a bunch of spell token synergy and it’s been winning purely off of the fact most classes in standard don’t have the tools to consistently kill its board without giving up tempo and taking 20+ damage in the process. Point is, Hunter feels like it’s been designed not around the idea that it wins games, but around the idea that other classes just don’t have the tools to stop it. Of course, in Wild, they do have those tools, so Hunter just kinda fundamentally doesn’t work.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

Yeah, it's lacking in everything while other classes have access to the best cards they've ever been given, while technically each expansion gives Hunter some of its best cards ever that doesn't mean much when it's like going from a 6 out of 10 to a 7 when other classes are like yeah our best cards are 8s or 9s and we get them a lot because our other bad cards are like 2s and 3s

Right on the money. Hunter is trash. Only competitive deck is Reno/Reno renethal hunter that tries to do the mid-range strategy.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

Yeah and it's not viable anymore because it was mainly a quest mage counter

@DustyScales

Ай бұрын

Hell, "viable" was always a stretch because there has not been a time (in recent history) where this was ever the case- Reno Hunter was always incredibly mid even compared to stuff like Reno Shaman in the Barrens til today. For the record, Reno Shaman had a really rough start. Reno Hunter's problems ALWAYS relate to the fact that a lot of Reno archetypes do the exact same thing but better. It's kind of on theme with the class.

Interesting take thank you very much for making a video curious

Simple. Different effects and stats between standard and wild.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

I wish

The fact that hurts me is how hunter is worse than dk/dh for its age

I think hunter needs stronger discover cards

Deathrattle hunter could have been a thing. Bring the tonk back!

Bro lost a game on hunter for sure 💯

@FlareHearthstone

25 күн бұрын

I have at least 1.5k hunter losses all time

I havent played hearthstone in like 6 Years. I have no Idea how this ended up on my feed. But im going to watch it anyway. Ill just get a cup of tea real quick

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

The real reason why is because I'm simply the hearthstone goat 🐐 (And I meticulously study KZread trends to hone my craft)

@silvershine2261

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone Seems to have worked out for you good sir! Keep manipulating that algorythm

bruh made a whole video about hunter being bad and suddenly egg hunter pops off and becomes a very good deck. ngl this is kinda ironic

@FlareHearthstone

3 күн бұрын

Yeah I put the wheels in motion duh

Man I hope I’m off twitter the day they revert shock spitter and the class still fucking blows

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

idk if it would be terrible but it would at least have *something* to do, which it currently does not

@deklinversace2095

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone clearly the solution should be make maxima two mana

I’ve climbed to legend with hunter once, it was not even in wild, it was control hunter in the classic format

You complain hunter has no draw... then completely glance over starving buzzard. Wtf

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

card from 10 years ago that is only playable in 1 deck an that deck hasn't been above the bottom of t3 (its t4) in almost 2 years

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

so yes, the class had bad card draw

hunter is a boring class, beast hunter is and has always been good.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

beast hunter has been bottom of t3 (its t4 rn) for the last year

Who asked?

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

More people have watched and been interested in this video than most of the things you have ever said in your entire life and you then go and comment "who asked?" Like yeah brother who asked YOU

Peak Hunter was quest. Nothing before or since got the blood pumping. I wish they'd unnerf quest someday.

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

It needs 2 reverts but I don't think odd ql was health tbh, wish we could play regular with 1 mana rapid fire but not odd

@Dokurider

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone yeah odd quest was mega toxic I would know I climbed to legend with that deck during Quest Warlock meta lol I'm just hoping they print a burn spell that's reasonable

@Dokurider

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone Thinking it over, I think the best spell to print for Quest is a better Quick Shot. A 2 mana 3 damage spell with a more reasonable conditional bonus would be great.

Chapter 2007471

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

I'm gonna do one for each class, but at least warrior and shaman will 100% be positive

@DustyScales

Ай бұрын

​If Paladin isn't this negative then we dropped the ball

@DustyScales

Ай бұрын

(Also I would appreciate to have an input with it, even if it's very small. Even Paladin is the *one* thing I know less about currently, though.)

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

I'm planning on talking about standard nerfing paladin for the paladin video

hunter has a 60% wr in standard atm so its gonna get nerfed lol

@FlareHearthstone

Ай бұрын

wild

@Nosebear69

Ай бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone no i mean that its always just gonna ge shat on not that hunter is good KEK