Human Weapon Marine Martial Arts - Round Kick Defense
This is a Counter to a typical Round Kick to the body or thigh for that matter. kicks to the shin should be checked. This is a great effective counter that relies majorly on Timing.
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Same move is also found in flowing, momentum blending arts such as Aikido, Jiujitsu, and Tai Chi. Very effective!
I learned a different block method. You can swing your arm over the leg when you see it coming. Then grab the leg and step in the same direction as the direction of the kick (to left or right). That way you only get a small amount of impound to your body, but you are in total control cause you are still holding his leg. Then you can wipe the floor with him.
out of all the standing-self-defenses of this series, the round kick defense is definetley my favourite, even if it can be rarely applied.
It was from the episode focusing on MCMAP or Marine Corps Martial Arts Program. However this style of takedown as a counter to a roundhouse kick is found everywhere.
I think I'm going to try this in self defense tommorow
It's showing you step by step on what you need to do to perform this technique. once you get it down, it should be in one fluid motion. as you grab the leg, you are already moving in to sweep his other leg, as well as using your open arm to push his center of gravity.
love to see them do this to a genuine roundhouse kick lol
No worries. And we're all still learning...the ones that don't admit it have more to learn than the rest ;-)
Beautiful!
you can do an achilles leg log once hes on the ground so thats awesome
enhorabuena men..esta genial....podras pasarme todos tus videos de este tipo aunque sea solo los linkl? porfa......
cool. i LOVE THIS video.. muacks
this is certainly really cool damaging attacks.
@WiseSurf "that could cause permanent injury"... "HONEY! i have something to show you!"
Which is why these things take lots of practice. In which case, the opponent won't even have time to brace himself, let alone puch you.
good tegnique
i want to try and kick higher but i have a weakenss in my hips once i aim higher. is thier any excercises i could do to improve my kicking hieght and remove this wierd hip weakness?
Okay, just to clear a few points. First off, MCMAP isn't just geared for fighting "terrorists" but also full-fledged organized militaries. The USMC is a rapid deployment force of readiness, which means Marines must be ready to face any enemy at any time. Before World War II Japan was in good terms with the U.S. and remember the Cold War? What about the 'Aby Sayaf' that we're fighting in the Philippines that know Pekiti Tirsia? There are a lot of hostiles out there who train as hard as we do.
The longer he's standing, the more time he has to pull out his own knife or sidearm. And remember this movement would be used very quickly in a high-tension situation. Combat rarely goes so smoothly as "This guy does this, this guy counters with that, this guy counters that counter with..." And he's blocking the area of the knee to cut the power, which puts him too close to deliver any kick safely (he could knee, but for the reason's I've already stated, the takedown is preferable).
this defense is effective to those who really understand martial art and self defense
@xjxm very good point I didn't notice that the first time through.
Am I the only one who notices he has a clear shot to the nuts when he knocks him down?
I always find it interesting how getting close to an opponent can be effective for a counter. Over here, the guy taking the kick gets close to the kicker, and throws him down.
There's always a risk of getting hit when you get close to your opponent. If you want this to work you have to commit and accept the fact you might take one in the nugget as you go in.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, which was in turn derived from earlier version (pre World War II) of Kodokan judo. Wkipedia.
@cinnamonroffles I agree with your statement completely. "You Are As You Train". If you train to have narrow, overly patterned responses to a threat you limit the adequacy of your offense. Furthermore, you will only remember about 20% of your techniques in a situation. Your body will resort to muscle memory, hence your training. And if your training is unrealistic....
@xjxm The main problem is that at 0:04 you use both hands to block the leg. With that not only you use more of your body to stop less of his but are also getting down low in front of him (I allready mentioned the nasty knee in the nose you can get if he leave his knee bent instead of kicking, because it will get between your hands). Even if you manage to bring him down he can still pull off triangle choke in mid air, and lend on his hands so he won't get hurt.
@Chilibowl77 Yeah, about that. 0331s are usually stationed as suppressing fire elements. They cover advancing units and are rarely if ever on point, the exception being if we are on vehicles, then a m.gunner would be on the turret of the lead vehicle. Mortarmen are so far behind that it isn't worth mentioning. Assaultmen would be the exception, since they might be with 0311's since they are also trained for demo, hence door breaching. The 0311s, which do the most MOUT, do not have them.
@redron213 Most infantry specialties are not issued "sidearms". It is either your m16a4, your kbar, or your foot.
Every move has its risks. I've been clocked many times to going for sweeps similar to this, but in the end it had to be done so I could end the fight.
My fav in karate... you don't have to block... just move towards him and grab his leg... after that you know what you have to do. :)
No problem, and good luck in your studies of taekwondo and the other martial arts.
Used ALL THE TIME, that's why a lot of people in MMA (including the UFC) stick to leg kicks with a random body kick when a perfect opening presents itself. Also why you should NEVER LEAD WITH A RIGHT KICK.
Like the Sanda takedown, but more force
@TheApokaliptic If you concern is with the low block of the kick, I won't argue against that. I've never seen that type of block before and would never use it myself. Catching the leg is something that happens if I was too slow to check or dodge the kick. Even if I totally eat the kick, it's advantageous to catch the leg and thats usually when it happens for me. With that said, wreslters get low in front of people all the time. And they aren't terribly concerned with knees.
I knew there had to be at least ONE chuck norris comment XD
Gracie "Jiu-JItsu", as its called in brazil comes from early Judo. This was the time that Jigoro Kano's Judo was starting to split from "Jujutsu" in Japan.
Even in the ring, you can look at hundreds of Sanshou/Sanda clips or "Muai Thai vs Shanshou" and you will see this move, or a variation of it, done damn near every match.
This is similar to the sanda takedown only you use the right leg in a hooking motion, I prefer it this way.
@TheApokaliptic Wait, wait. I had to read your posts twice to make sure I'm not missing something. Are you suggesting that in order to defend against this takedown, a BJJ fighter should throw himself on his back and somehow slap on a triangle? If you throw yourself on your back, how is that different than me sweeping your leg and putting you on your back? Either way you're on your back and I'm on my feet. There's no triangle. Just an open guard and ankle control. Do you even train BJJ?
I changed that move a bit... When I have their leg, I do the same leg sweep thing but I keep my palm on their heart and as my opponent goes down I go down with them but I keep pressing on their heart so when we fall it hurts both his head and the centre of his ribcage. P.S. I don't know if that is in any other martial art.
Yup, you're right, it was Frank...I often confuse the two. I don't remember if Cung was kicking with his back or front when he messed up Frank's arm, but it was a roundhouse kick either way. In my learning, the name of the kick refers to the technique and path of travel, regardless of whether it started in front or behind. Although certain kicks can only be delivered with one or the other (e.g spin kick is always the back leg), the roundhouse isn't one of them. Thanks for the name correction
I remember practicing this in karate class back in the summer only we shortened the movement. Here they use both arms to block, then one to trap the leg and the other to the torso. In class, we extend one arm to block & scoop it from underneath. The other hand is by the face in case they try something, and it's already there to check the torso. Either way you do it, this is a good maneuver, you just have to be quick with the takedown. Take too long, and your back is exposed.
Attacker's leg is found between the other's thighs n elbows .. what comes in contact first .. is he stopping the full leg blow just by his elbows ?? .. I don't know how good that is.
@redron213 and what if u intend to take ur target down instead of killing him??
@MrGarky Did you read the part about the high rubber guard that you still have if you fail? If you put all your weight on him like that he won't be standing but he will get on the ground with you. Use the leg that he holds to push outwards while throwing the leg you are standing on up and behind him and pulling him with your hand by the collar (or back of tne head or the hand if he doesn't have any). Also try to push the leg that he is holding deep while he is falling. (limited space :/)
Anyone know what this technique was taken from, martial art wise I mean?
I've used this in muay thai. That's just jamming the kick and if you respond fast enough, you can land an overhand right with that motion.
actually, if you block the kick early enough (notice the model has a guard up before snatching the leg), before the kick gains momentum, it doesn't hurt.
@melancholyid You need to differintiate between 60mm and 81mm. My cousin is in a unit with a video here on YTube and they had their 60mms up on the line quite often and they carried M16s. Back in the mid-1980s when MOUT was being brought back into fashion, 0311s were supposed to get the M9s in addition to the M16.
oh i forgot about momentum ... but it changes just my thought about taking dammage it still will be hard to block and catch .... now when dammage isnt taht important its more obvious to just catch and follow instruction
Oh, I see. Thanks.
Oh and as I remember it (it's fuzzy), Frank's arm got broke because he was repeatedly blocking Cung's roundhouse kicks with a single outer forearm block, and one of them was just too much. I'm not clear on the details, though...I'm sure you could look it up
Physics will tell you that the most force will be applied to the target at the far end of the leg. The amount of force in that same kick is greatly reduced the closer you are to the hips, or the fulcrum. That is why you charge in and grab the leg above the knee. Even a guy who can squat 150kg kick can be easily handle using simple physics.
@flakrim12 yeah, this is marine martial arts, meaning its meant for war situations. You want something like aikido, which involves a lot of locks and CAN be used to break bones but it is very optional. It is often used by law enforcement. but really you can modify most martial arts to be less than incapacitating.
@bobbysnobby Very true. It depends on how early you catch it. I stand corrected
@xjxm Yes I know. There is some good old style muay thai defences, but here is the best way that is used in both muay thai and wing chun. While your opponent is turning his leg for the rowndhouse lowkick, use a leg jab to kick in the upper part of his attacking leg. That stops the kick very effectively and also gives a good amount of pain to your opponent if you know exactly where to kick. This move is very safe, effective and easy to perform.
Very much so.. well said.. I train jujutsu, where Marine Combat, Krav Maga, etc all comes from.. it's the real deal.. no rules, no mercy.. ending a fight within SECONDS is the goal. People don't seem to understand this.
I love the mlitary and all the sacrafices they have done for my freedome and the freedome we enjoy but I get frustrated in the fight training that is provided for our fighting men. I see openings and weeknesses in these techniques. I'm just grateful that hand to hand is only a small aspect in todays combat.
Lol despite stereotypes, not all Americans are packing. Anyway, this is a technique employed by the Marines. They will most likely have at least a knife (the sidearm may be out of ammo if they're resorting to hand to hand in the first place). And they will most likely not have the luxury of being able to run from the fight, as it would be a combat zone. Most military techniques aim to put the opponent on the ground so that they can be dispatched.
@sodaHB its call a counter to the roundhouse and while yes a kick like that is not catchable by a normal person Marines have training and know how to properly execute the counter. They are not catching it in the air, the kick is actually hitting them as they catch it.
what kind of martial arts is that? looks usefull...
Yes, but what would hurt more? A hit / kick that has to move up, or a heel stomp to the nuts once he's down? In the end, if it gets him to stop fighting, it works.
@diceniceable In normal case yes, there will be lack of power behind the hook. But the thing is that in this case your opponent is down low so you can use the weight of the drop of your body and hit in downwards angle. After that you can also make a triangle choke while falling if neaded, with your left leg above his right shoulder.
@TheApokaliptic good point with the knee, but a hook thrown without the stability of both feet on the ground is not worth throwing, you cant get the weight behind it.
@sodaHB When do you catch the kick? You're supposed to BLOCK IT by thrusting your body forward and holding your arms up like a boxer (almost). If done correctly, not only will you feel very little of the kick, but you will actually inflict a quick blow of pain to your opponent's shin (and possibly their hamstring). The goal is to BLOCK the kick, and grab their leg quickly. Not to CATCH the kick.
a counter to this move is a fading switch round kick. Fake with the right kick and then switch to the left kick aiming for the back of the opponents head. Lights out!
@Chilibowl77 But you are right, technically 0331's and assaultmen are supposed to have M9's, and to the best of my recollection, they did. My argument was that 0311's were not supposed to have them. If you still have your 6-5, you can read that and see my point. We have rifles simply because of the ranges we are expected to fight. Weapon's company have M9's because, honestly, I don't expect a mortarman to launch a mortar at a single guy that snuck into their dig out.
@MrGarky ... Even if he fails the triangle he still has you in a high rubber guard and he can keep punching you in the head or go for a submission (hope you know what rubber guard is). If you catch his leg by any move, don't go for just sweeping the back leg like shown on this video, but kick it instead (muay thai ;)).
yes, but he also dives into the kick. Meaning the kick dosnt get its full power from momentum. So it will only be a fraction of what it would be if you were to block after the next 3-4 feet it travels.
yeah that cna be done but it is risky cuz it levaes your ribs open so if you misjudge the grab then your gonna get a nice kick to the ribs. which can hurt like crazy.
the next move for me is to step on his groin.
Putting the enemy on the ground is more desirable than either in a frantic combat situation...especially if you have a knife or sidearm tucked away. And a simple outer forearm block against a full power roundhouse is a bad idea unless you cut the power by moving in (or you're doing point sparring and the guy is just flicking his foot out)...at which point you're too close to warrant lifting your legs above waist height.
Well if they're your only opponent yes. You won't tire yourself out because they'll die first.
can this move defend me against chuck norris' roundhouse kick?
True he gets hit faster however the attack wouldnt build up momentum to damage. This move stops the momentum by taking the hjit earlyer before it actualy builds it up and turns it on the opponent.
Unless its done on a very soft surface, you bet it will
The only kicks i would attempt is a front kick and a thigh kick , other than that i think punches knees and elbows are the bomb :)
This in judo is called kuchiki-daoshi or a form of o-uchi-gari
plus if the kick is higher than you think you get a shin in the head
I don't think you should underestimate our enemies. Always put 100% into a fight even if you fight someone you think is weaker than you.
Hey, if you can do both, more power to you! Personally, I'd prefer to knock him down first, because I'd want to get his fists away from my head ASAP. But that's just my style. Either way, as long as the other guy goes down and not me, I'm not complaining.
yes if you are almoste in the top of his fot , but if you close it dosent hurt at all
@MrGarky btw if he holds your leg long (closer to the feat) you can't get him down like that. But it is actualy better ;). You just throw yourself back and kick him in the solar plexus with your other leg (no more breathing for him for the rest of the match :)) Anyway if you have his leg kick him in the standing leg, if he has your leg don't let him do it.
As great as some martial arts may be, nothing is going to do you more good in a fight than actual fight experience... Not sparring or play fighting; real fighting. Where the guy in front of you wants you dead. Because then, every move you make could be your last, and it teaches you to be fast, brutal and not to cock up. I've done a few martial arts and boxing is my favourite because as great as a super powered Bruce Lee move is, not many people can get their jaw broken and still fight well.
@MrGarky You got it a bit wrong. The problem is not while you are holding his leg, if you use some muay thai to catch it it is a very good thing to do. The problem is this manner of stoping the kick (catching the leg), and the punches you can get wnile you are catching it, not after. The second problem is that you assume that he will fight to stay standing, but he can throw himself on his back and grab you with his legs in a triangle. Do not underestimate BJJ. ... (continues)
i prefer this rotation to TTC and applying this to PW's face, yeah.
permanent injury? i like the sound of that
I haven't done this particular move, but I know the risks in trying to end somthing using a certain technique.
That is why you have to keep going forward when defending. If you hold back you could hurt your arms I geuss..
Could you call this, Ouchi Gari also?
the US marine core actually use a variation of HapKiDo
@lssrrgsn You are right, but you average enemy combatant isn't a well trained MMA fighter. Soldiers in the field fight not in shorts and bare feet, but in full combat gear and heavy boots. It slows things down a bit. If a kick is telegraphed, this is a very effective method of take down.
@shengbiao1 The website is wrong, I'm sorry to say. The only infantry MOSs issued M9's are mortars and 0352s, Towgunners. Look man, I was an infantry fireteam leader. I've been to Iraq twice and was in Fallujah for operation Phantom Fury, 1st Bt 8th Marines, C.Co. I think I would know.
yes, but countering a counter attack... the first counter itself has to be fast and very well timed, it would be nigh impossible to re-react as quick as that. but nice thought;)
I dont think anyone on here is about to try that move on Mirko, haha, unless they are tired of living.
Great move if you wanna eat a fist for lunch
@redron213 lol... when someone is slamming you, you grab on certain locations to reduce the impact if he's any good he wont let go enough for you "back up". Grappling is more effective then you think.
Dangerous defense to use.. Looks effective, but if you dont rush into the defense right away, you'll be hit.. Notice how the defender is starting his block, before the kick is even started. Personally I would have preffered a high kick to the face.
What if you get a knee insead of the kick, or a left hook after the block? This is not a good defence.