Idubbbz isn't apoligising for being a bigot and racist, hes apoligising for fostering and normalising that type of behaviour, which he absolutely did.

@coldshock5181

Жыл бұрын

Miss those days

@fightaccount

Жыл бұрын

What is been a bigot is If it's not supporting gay and Tras that totally okay

@griggletv6974

Жыл бұрын

Ya million became neo nazis with ian at the four front leading the charge

@itstillsage8666

Жыл бұрын

​@@fightaccount he at least was a bigot because of the constant use of slurs in every video

@whynotdean8966

Жыл бұрын

He absolutely did not.

I am telling you, as someone who was in middle school during the time. Idubbz using slurs made ALL OF US think it was okay.

@seen7163

Жыл бұрын

How about you take some responsibility for your own actions. If you can't disconnect shitty edgy humor on the internet from what's socially acceptable in the real world than that's on you.

@dustbunni6518

Жыл бұрын

Nah really im a gen z kid and it leaked into our gen like some kind of bubonic plauge.

@ramoraid

Жыл бұрын

lol my whole school threw the soft N at everyone and this was majority black & Hispanic school. Seeing him use the hard R was funny and absolutely nothing to get mad due to the context of the Tana video.

@noahpancakes6507

Жыл бұрын

he was joking lol you really cant take a joke? yall just love making it them vs us or being a white knight stfu

@spinosaurusstriker

Жыл бұрын

​@@ramoraiddon't you get it? You are racist no matter the context.... At least thats the mayority of reasoning behing most of the comment section.

This has mad "I'm sorry you got offended" energy

@Altair-El-Haddad

Жыл бұрын

As it should be

@acommenter3939

Жыл бұрын

As it should. Stop being offended.

@jordanbarrand1736

Жыл бұрын

Don’t be weak minded lmao you got offended over him talking about an apology? Pick a struggle

@isyrk

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanbarrand1736 Imagine being so weak minded you think being offended is the problem and not racism.

@2yoyoyo1Unplugged

11 ай бұрын

@@isyrkI think Charlie just has a different perspective or interpretation of what idubbz was apologizing for. Charlie obviously doesn’t get it. That doesn’t make him deserving of any accusations of racism. Not that you are accusing him of such things.

I saw a comment on the original video where someone wrote: "Its easy to say, no harm done if you were never the target"

@BluntBrazenCurt_Evolved

3 ай бұрын

That is very true. Plenty of stupid kids who don’t get that.

Dying on this hill is crazy especially since his past racist content has not affected you whatsoever. As someone who was in school during the 2016 racism arc it was hard to exist as a black person. Words do hurt no matter what anyone says

@Schinzo__

Жыл бұрын

As a black person you realize racism was a thing for 1000+ years before idubbz was born ☠️

@kam731

Жыл бұрын

@@Schinzo__ yeah but he normalized and platformed this type of behavior for years and for a new audience of people, most people used to go out in the world with general respect for others, idubbz influenced people to go into the world with hate and animosity for people just because of skin color

@Maconviking

Жыл бұрын

Idubbz literally called out influencers who were overtly racist and trying to hide it, like tana. I’m so confused by everyone’s takes here.

@Schinzo__

Жыл бұрын

@@kam731 again no he didn’t 💀💀 he wasn’t the first white man nor the last to say the n word

@novajjay

Жыл бұрын

​@KittyPurry just cause idubbz called out racists doesnt change the fact that that he himself could possibly be one too. plus, his way of "calling tana out" was saying the n word in her face.. he really showed her ! 😭

I’ve never seen a large part of Charlies comment section/audience disagree with him before, this is a nice breath of fresh air.

@datdude3327

Жыл бұрын

especially when Charlie is throwing out ‘greatest L of all time’, just to approach a highly nuanced situation with very little forethought. rare Critikal L

@charnith5017

Жыл бұрын

Right, even in this video he still doesn’t realize why the comments were disagreeing with the points he made with the previous video before and I’m glad to see people expressing their thoughts in the comment section.

@spirittapes

Жыл бұрын

So true

@poppicat7351

Жыл бұрын

Right, he has some of the most intense dick riders

@ferchsakura

Жыл бұрын

Disagreeing is fine, opinions aren’t right or wrong and I feel like people are missing that point. Charley is merely making a conversation, and like he said- it is okay to have people disagree on his opinions. People asking critikal to make an apology just because they didn’t agree with what he said are taking it to the extremes lol

Just hold the L brother, you earned it.

@StuffAndMemes

Жыл бұрын

Cope

@YvenvH

Жыл бұрын

Wait till this guy finds out about opinions

@yorickbrown5297

Жыл бұрын

@@YvenvH hopefully not yours, theyre probably shit

@joshwakelin4587

Жыл бұрын

@@YvenvH ironic, considering his comment is his opinion on Charlie’s take, which is, in his opinion, an L

@deletd7368

Жыл бұрын

Nah, he don't want it. You need it snowflake.

As someone who watched idubbz in middle school, his videos were 100% the reason i fell into the 'feminist owned, cringe compilation' 'facts don't care about your feelings' 'all lives matter' crap. The content young impressionable kids watch can have a major impact, and to undersell it does nobody any favors.

@deenmohammad385

Жыл бұрын

“Ben Shapiro DESTROYS entitled leftist on abortion”

@Skrunk.

Жыл бұрын

Just because you like incel content doesn't mean we all do bro.

@tiny__pebble

Жыл бұрын

@@Skrunk. is that at all what i said?

@SirBoomNPew

11 ай бұрын

That's more the fault of the parents than it is Ian's. Ian wasn't making child-friendly or child-targeted content. The fact that kids watched and mimicked the content he made isn't his responsibility.

@tiny__pebble

11 ай бұрын

@SirBoomNPew what parent is going to be actively monitoring their 16 year olds youtube? Kids notoriously get into material that they probably shouldnt, earlier than they should. Ians content was one of those things, and it had a large enough negative effect on enough kids for this to be a pretty well known problem all over the place.

I'm really glad to see the comments still not taking to agreeing charlies take just because its Charlie. I really hope he reads the comments because theres so many good points explaining the real issue. No one thought idubbbz was a bigot if they did he would have been cancelled years ago. We all knows he's apologizing for unintentionally fostering a hateful community

@davidmichels5295

Жыл бұрын

And intentionally

@treali

Жыл бұрын

I'm really glad to see that the leftist hive mind is still stronger than a single Twitch streamer.*

@SavageGreywolf

Жыл бұрын

@@treali don't you have to go yell slurs at idubbbz?

@noahpancakes6507

Жыл бұрын

Nahh y'all are the reason tho y'all need to make everything us vs them y'all can't laugh at anything that's a you problem I promise you edgy humor ain't make no one racist but y'all are weird and like racism so you make everything about it

@treali

Жыл бұрын

​@@SavageGreywolf Nah, I will leave yelling racist slurs to idubbbz. Who knows? He might start again if he thinks it will make him popular again. Never liked his edgy humor, but Charlie is correct in this matter, intent matters. If intent doesn't matter, then some slurs are the least of our problem. If intent doesn't matter you're effectively taking part in child slave labor, genocide, death, and suffering.

Ironic that Charlie's audience is more sympathetic to IDubbbz than his own audience

@seanquinn8032

Жыл бұрын

Because Charlie's audience isn't filled with a bunch of incels

@glock19teen25

Жыл бұрын

@@seanquinn8032 right

@GMarie.

Жыл бұрын

@@seanquinn8032 charlie adopted idubbz’ old audience. thats why they’re so quick to gloss over the impact idobbz had on normalizing racism and bigotry

@mokaPCP

Жыл бұрын

@@GMarie. this comment proves you don't know what the fuck youre talking about 😂

@alana.4432

Жыл бұрын

@@GMarie. Nope, what has happened is that charlie's got lots overlapping audience with people like Hasan, which is people that value outrage and optics over actual human value

bro, hes apologizing cuz he created a culture of hate 💀💀

@SciFyerGaming

Жыл бұрын

Newsflash, but hate and racism existed long before Idubbbz, like LONG before him. Idubbbz didn't a create a modern culture of hate. Politics did a much better job of that. Idubbbz's content simply attracted hateful people who already existed.

@s_sunshower

Жыл бұрын

@@SciFyerGaming well obviously, everyone knows that--they're saying that he greatly influenced kids and teenagers becoming and acting more casually racist in the years he was actively creating content, whether that be online or in the real world. for comparison, andrew tate obviously didn't invent sexism and toxic masculinity, but to say he hasn't greatly influenced a subsection of (primarily) teenage boys and younger men due to his content would be a lie.

@gridman887

Жыл бұрын

@@SciFyerGaming that doesn’t mean it’s okay to do dip shit💀💀 crazy how ANYONE can defend and condone this just cuz “it’s been a thing” shut yo goofy ass up.

@Liam-zo4jm

11 ай бұрын

he didn't create a culture of hate. racism and hatred existed well before 2016. it isn't even like he was the one who spread it on the internet, people have been racist on video games/the internet since it was first discovered.

@Spidergworllover

11 ай бұрын

He created a community of racism. Don't dumb it down to simply "hate" as if that's all it is. His community/fans follow behind what they think he believes. Making racist jokes gives the vibes that you are a fellow racist, which attracts racists to follow you and join your community

Hes really harping on the hes not racist therefore he shouldnt apologize thing when hes making the community worse and he was like the #1 dark humor guy sure he didnt start it but he was the gateway to actual racism

@lirich0

10 ай бұрын

He didn’t say idubbz should or shouldn’t apologize. He said idubbz shouldn’t feel extreme lifelong self hate about it. His wording was poor in the first (and arguably, second) video and definitely could be construed as such, I.e. the way he used the word “warrant”, but that was corrected

@Breadsticks4all

10 ай бұрын

@@lirich0 nigga it's been a month why are you even watching this anymore rare charlie L take who cares i still like him.

i feel like charlie REALLY underestimated how popular idubbbz was then. bro was literally in every vine compilation ever

@4moly

Жыл бұрын

charlie also wasn’t in school when idubbz peaked. his videos caused so much casual racism and bullying, i mean shit, his ricegum disstrack was pretty much all that came out of the edgy kids’ mouths. i’m not american yet idubbz was still huge.

@xwhiteninjazz3203

Жыл бұрын

Idubbbz being very popular during that time is pretty irrelevant to charlies point

@xwhiteninjazz3203

Жыл бұрын

@@autumnfrost-art seems like your using idubbz as a scapegoat for peoples shitty behaviour. Unless you were taking his content out of context it really shouldnt have been influential for anyone with half a brain

@graydonrobson7471

Жыл бұрын

@@4moly mother love me long time long time

@wontonschannel

Жыл бұрын

@@4moly you are under the assumption that those kids were intending to be racist and hateful, rather than trying to be humorous in a very very normal way (shock content)

Charlie: “Everyone should be an individual” Also Charlie: Has 3 clones that he only lets out once a year

@jsy-tak

Жыл бұрын

Oh he has more than three.

@FoxKing5

Жыл бұрын

trueeeeee

@Yagizino

Жыл бұрын

also charlie : supports ai

@BamfIamone

Жыл бұрын

I hope they're being fed :(

@zeraora2607

Жыл бұрын

Everyone should be THEIR OWN individual.' He didn't say: An individual. Semantics matter in this case.

I think Charlie just doesn’t understand, like the way I don’t really understand, how stupid kids can really be. I grew up with Idubbbz content but never thought it was ok to call someone a slur.

@butter3617

Жыл бұрын

Point is, it's on the parents for not restricting the kids' internet access.

@Shift_Salt

11 ай бұрын

​@@butter3617hell, guidance'll do em better than just tellin em not to watch shit. They're just gonna grow up to not give a fuck and ignore ya if ya don't make a meaningful connection with em. Especially if they start having that para-social dynamic with someone online who's just on the other end of a camera.

@Twink6629-lg3te

7 ай бұрын

@@butter3617the internet is everywhere. Good luck restricting it cuz it’s pretty impossible 🤷‍♂️ If they don’t that have shit on there phone they will just hear about it from someone else at school. Best you can do is teach kids right and wrong early so they don’t go down the offensive pipeline. Especially with how popular this was back then, it’s not avoidable. I personally don’t think the internet should tolerate a 30 year old man in a green suit saying “n*ggerf*ggot” to the world like it’s peak comedy in the first place, but maybe that’s just me 🤷‍♂️

@anoobius3330

3 ай бұрын

1. Charlie never used a single slur in the video. 2. It's called "shock humor", so stop getting offended so easily and playing the victim.

@ihatekiyo

2 ай бұрын

@@anoobius3330 "shock humor" and its slurs, fuck up

"i just dont see why its a big deal" says man who was not affected by any part of the situation. the fact that he felt the need to make the first video is really telling, and doubling down after being rightfully criticized really says something.

@Duuuuuuuuuuuude

11 ай бұрын

You absolutely don’t know that and it’s laughable you insinuate that. Any person alive could’ve been affected by Ian’s content. Being called the f-word back then you could attribute that to them hearing it in one of his videos and then saying it to someone else. At any rate, in the space that Ian is in of course he needs to distance himself from his past self because he needs sponsors and the like for what he is producing right now. Do I think that’s the only reason for it? No. I think he’s trying to get rid of the fans he’s stated multiple times not enjoying interacting with while also making amends with anyone he may have turned away. You immediately foamed at the mouth at the first sign of someone being a bigot and didn’t bother to think for a minute about everything as a whole there bud

@user-fi2fe6ck8m

11 ай бұрын

@@Duuuuuuuuuuuude what the fuck are you talking about lol

@Daddix0

11 ай бұрын

@@Duuuuuuuuuuuude mean it’s indisputable that black people and gay people were far far more likely to be affected by an influential guy who was “ironically” racist or homophobic. I saw it with my own eyes, a lot, it was pretty tough for some of my black and gay buddies during the time where IDubbz was super influential. Charlie definitely doesn’t understand like somebody who got the N word thrown at them everyday does. It’s just true. And I ain’t foaming at the mouth or anything, but I have respect for the people in my life who were targeted directly because of IDubbz’s influence over shitty people. I just love my people, man.

@leshacke1041

11 ай бұрын

​@@Daddix0 well I don't think you understand my experience of being called mayo in Detroit all day at school it really hurt.

@ginostrother4401

11 ай бұрын

He literally acknowledges that in the video that he didn’t consider the whole picture when it comes to that. Sounds like he put too much faith in people to not adopt and spread the culture

This is just a weird take. Of course he wasn’t the only person contributing, but he was one of the more popular ones. I think because you wouldn’t have been a target you maybe underestimate the impact it had. Also, this seems like something he did for his own peace of mind, not because there was a huge outcry for it. I rarely see people mention idubbbz at this point, this apology wasn’t expected. If the guy feels bad for who he used to be I think it’s a good thing that he addresses it and takes accountability. Will probably make him feel better.

@willisstillhere8846

Жыл бұрын

I mean if he did it for his own peace of mind and for no one else then that's completely fine why would he post it on a public forum then? He didnt make it private either so it either seems disingenuous to some, or just shows how much some people are "chronically online" that they make everything they're going through public. Also, just as there are people who didn't go through it and thus their opinions might be not as much of value, there are people that went through it and werent affected as much. Does that invalidate them too? Why does it? Do you or any other person feel like ypu have more leverage to speak over others? Just some random questions it's not really targeted

@Squ_iddy

Жыл бұрын

@@willisstillhere8846 There are some things in life that are just objectively wrong for societal standards. Example, I'm sure a majority of people would agree bullying is wrong because they've experienced it and it has negatively impacted their lives. And maybe there's a minority of people who said it didn't affect their lives, cool their feelings are valid. But why would I listen to the people who aren't affected on the subject of if bullying is bad in comparison to those who have been affected? Is bullying suddenly justified and not bad because some people weren't hurt by it? No, because society deems bullying as wrong already, so those who have experienced it and weren't hurt by it are the outliers, and that's a good thing if they're truly fine after that, but that's not the standard.

@jayo.9049

Жыл бұрын

He literally explained that in the video💀

@Jitzau

Жыл бұрын

L take.

@theonionqueen3519

Жыл бұрын

I just think Charlie doesn’t realize the influence idubbbz had on kids during the height of his channel. I was his demographic during that time, 13-15, and a lot of his videos really warped my sense of humor. He normalized saying the n word for me, which I’m thankful I realized later that it wasn’t ok to say.

After that first sentence I can’t help but feel like I’ve just stepped into an unskippable main quest cutscene

@p-__

Жыл бұрын

My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.

@kawasaki_voyagur1700

Жыл бұрын

Fr

@rios5944

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: It’s illegal to own a skunk in Texas

@ThisGuyDannyyy

Жыл бұрын

I thought your profile picture was a green apple

@chokonnit7337

Жыл бұрын

pov: youre getting robbed in rdr2

He just summarized everything he said in the first one

idubbz said "its all or nothing" on what slurs are okay to say. he argued that using slurs is good actually. he directly encouraged using slurs and using disabled people, gay peoplw, trans people and poc as punchlines. thats not just edgyness. the fan interaction anecdote should have told you all you need to know about what kind of message he was putting out there for A FAN to believe he wouldn't like them due to being trans.

@snerttt

Жыл бұрын

He said restricting them gives them more power, you're never going to stop them from being used and chimping out every time you hear one makes them more desirable to use due to this strong reaction. So actually his intent was to bloat their use into irrelevance (and to not treat black people like children). But I guess that's not the narrative you wanted to hear.

@jae-ds2ot

Жыл бұрын

@@snerttt "none of it should be okay or all of it should be okay" is a direct quote. what i said doesnt contradict what he said, because he still said to use them. why did you even make this comment you just assumed i made some narrative without said narrative being in my comment lol

@jae-ds2ot

Жыл бұрын

@Mr. Plasma the reason certain slurs arent said is because those are the ones which the people called them have had no say in until very recently. there's no use for those words when their whole point has been for an oppressor to demean the oppressed. they are gross words, riddled with the worst of human cruelty. the n word was used for decades yet it never lost meaning. this goes for other slurs as well. things tend to be complex and nuanced, so the phrase all or nothing cant be applied. theres a reason cracker is technically a slur but is socially acceptable. because america doesnt have a history of racism against whites. whites are by the very least economically more in power which can be traced to red lining, over-policing and generational poverty due to slavery, jim crow and red lining. thats all to say that slurs seriousness varies with their inherent power dynamics. think about why you dont want to listen to minorities thoughts on this matter unless they agree with you, and also why you want to use slurs so damn bad.

@oxaile4021

Жыл бұрын

@@jae-ds2ot This is honestly peak leftoid brainrot. Fighting against racism by justifying it. You can't make this shit up.

@themaskedmutantreal

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@jae-ds2ot you are just making excuses to be racist if a word hurt a race of people don’t say it simple as that why would you want to say something that could make people sad because of what skin color they have systemic racism makes certain words worse to say it doesn’t make racism acceptable that’s the dumbest way to justify being racist to white people lmao

As a black male I never thought HE was racist, but he normalized hate speech within his community whether it was intentional or not. I respect Charlie and respect his opinion on the matter, but unfortunately he lives in a reality that’s different from most minorities. He will never fully understand how these slurs impact people, and I don’t mean that in a hateful way. Being black I knew at an early age that my life wouldn’t be the same as most white peoples’ lives; thats just the current state we live in as a civilization (especially as an American). EDIT: Someone in the comments pointed out that Ian’s supporters would often say “its just words” in response to people criticizing his use of slurs and I distinctly remember that phrase appearing all the time in Ian’s comments section. The harsh truth is sometime its not just words, they can come from a rooted history of malice and oppression. These words represent the stereotypes that still continue in some ways to this day. They can represent generations of literal slavery, torture, and death not even exaggerating here. I’m not saying all nasty words should be banned or something, but people to need recognize these words come from somewhere. It was funny for Ian to spew them at the time because we knew they were taboo. So maybe we should ask ourselves WHY they became controversial phrases in the first place.

@MikeOcksmallClips

Жыл бұрын

As another black male, starting a sentence with “a black male” is hella gay. I am gay.

@Devoidprodigy

Жыл бұрын

Lol sucks to be you

@_Xds_

Жыл бұрын

Hate speech is not real

@hybrxd5199

Жыл бұрын

W fucking take. Said this in the last video aswell

@benjamintruter7217

Жыл бұрын

shut up blackie

I really like that Charlie’s fanbase don’t have a hive mind and genuinely disagrees with Charlie when he’s wrong. It keeps him humble and doesn’t push a wrong narrative that most other major fanbases do

@52BLUE

Жыл бұрын

Don’t have hive mind? I can’t find anybody else who agrees with him. Sounds like hive mind to me. How people think the actions of others are something you can blame on somebody else is straight up baffling.

@DefNotMyBurner

Жыл бұрын

@@52BLUE Clearly I mean hive mind in the sense of ppl blindly agreeing with their fav content creator. How often do you see viewers disagreeing with the content creator on their own video

@dixxiesk

Жыл бұрын

​​@@52BLUE you know you can form your own opinion and not parasocially agree with everything your favorite creator says?

@52BLUE

Жыл бұрын

@@dixxiesk I formed this opinion on this situation long before I even listened to his take on it. Blaming idubbbz for what his followers do isn’t far off from parents trying to cancel video games because they’re influencing kids to be violent. Ridiculous.

@saramwaqas

Жыл бұрын

@@52BLUE for real this whole comment section is a hive mind every comment is something along the lines of “As someone who was in school at the peak of idubbz career he taught me to swear and hurt my feelings, etc.”

I was say as a black girl growing up at that time even shane Dawson's videos effected us. So many white kids would pretend to be ghetto when mocking me or calling me anything with ESHA on the end because all black girl names sounds the same? You guys act like racism was just a joke to all of us.

@shaniah9322

Жыл бұрын

Right??? Like he made this video as a straight white man

@mooma10

11 ай бұрын

​@@shaniah9322Yeah straight white men are evil and can never speak ever! I hate men that are straight and especially white! 😠

@Liam-zo4jm

11 ай бұрын

@@shaniah9322 yes because straight white men aren't allowed to have opinions unless they specifically agree with your exact opinions. good take!

@eiry4381

11 ай бұрын

​@@Liam-zo4jm he was not affected by racism because he is a straight white male, aka the least marginalised group of people unlike other groups of people

@leshacke1041

11 ай бұрын

As a human I can't relate

That’s crazy Charlie the fact that you draw the line at cringe but not racism

@frankoceanloverrr489

4 ай бұрын

Real

@bf5881

3 ай бұрын

Wouldn't expect this white dude from Florida to be worried much about the impacts of racism. He's completely untouched by it.

@QBon34

Сағат бұрын

He wasn’t defending racism tho

The problem with his offensive content wasn’t that it was “lame and cringey”. The problem was the fact he was spreading hate in so many different ways. That’s the part you aren’t understanding.

@GransPicker

Жыл бұрын

How was he spreading hate

@dontask64tv15

Жыл бұрын

how is comedy "speading hate"?

@antibrainiacs

Жыл бұрын

​@@dontask64tv15 by spitting slurs and also encouraging his audience to say them (he spent a whole video explaining why people should say the n word)

@ii-kk3ke

Жыл бұрын

@@dontask64tv15it’s like ur purposely being dense

@lamwam5065

Жыл бұрын

No he wasn't you absolute liar.

Charlie 100% is highly underestimating Ian’s influence. If Leafy single-handedly changed the way KZread structured it’s rules and regulations, idubbz understanding his audience and still saying the things he said and did, thus influencing the wrong folks isn’t farfetched.

@feefeedee9865

Жыл бұрын

Ian is a simp turned narcissist. If anything, he was catering to a demand. Like someone who was a total square or found it wrong wasn’t changed by idubbbz. At most he maybe introduced people predisposed to being edgy some edgy humor, but I mean there was plenty of places on the internet already being edgy and a lot of comments were edgy

@lilm5714

Жыл бұрын

​@feefeedee9865 Ian growing and learning is human nature. Not "simping". He's not making content for you, bud. Move on

@feefeedee9865

Жыл бұрын

@@lilm5714 But, he literally married someone he met off only fans and even took her last name after getting married. What do you call that besides simping? There’s nothing wrong with being a simp, I’m not a simp hater. But he is a simp who turned into a narcissist, perhaps as a coping mechanism to shield himself from all the insults, but I’m not a psychologist

@endytu1788

Жыл бұрын

​@@feefeedee9865 read 2 comments from you and I can already tell you're gonna die alone

@feefeedee9865

Жыл бұрын

@@endytu1788 hey come on, let’s be nice. We can be nice here. I mean you’re not *wrong*, but you didn’t have to say it, I mean good lord

Crazy how he just made a whole video explaining what he meant and some of you idiots are still saying he’s “mIsSiNg tHe pOiNt”

@Meeshilin_Man

27 күн бұрын

What he meant wasn't a good take to begin with

@dontlistentome7498

25 күн бұрын

so proud of him for doubling down on this

So what I wonder is what makes you qualified to comment on if the apology was necessary or not. As someone who was not affected or at least wasn’t affected as much by his content I don’t think you have any say in whether it’s needed or not. An analogy is if you had a bully in your grade who bullied short kids for example and you were one of the tall kids. It doesn’t matter if the bullying was done as a joke or not. And years later the bully sent out a mass email to everyone in the grade. You shouldn’t have any right to comment on whether this apology was necessary or not since you were not the one affected

@realskydiver777

3 ай бұрын

idubbz said he invited other people opinions. also, come on, penguinz0 is kind of a drama channel

@conandrew8749

3 ай бұрын

As a question, what qualifies anyone to have an opinion on something? Do you have to be personally affected by something in order to have an opinion on it? I can fully understand the viewpoint of being upset by the behaviour that iDubbbz encouraged and the damage this caused. But to say someone can’t have an opinion is a rather strange take, I must say.

@dedvi

3 ай бұрын

@@conandrew8749 It's ok to have an opinion but I don't think a public figure should express it. For example, imagine if an american president talked about the difficulties and struggles of japanese people after the dropping of nuclear bombs. I think you can express an opinion as a public figure if you are: 1. directly affected by the situation at hand or 2. an expert on the topic who has done significant research. From what I can see MoistCritical is neither of those things. And of course if you want to express your opinions privately go for it. As long as you are not doing it to an audience of millions of people

@randomgamer3868

2 ай бұрын

​@@dedviMoist Critical isn't a public figure 😭. Bros not even half as popular as some of the bigger KZreadrs.

@dedvi

2 ай бұрын

@@randomgamer3868 he has almost 15 million subscribers. That’s more people than several european countries like belgium, sweden, czech republic e.t.c. Imo that qualifies him as a public figure

8:20 he was literally being approached by strangers saying/yelling slurs at him like they were buddies with him and it was a totally normal thing. He's seen the influence he's had first-hand.

@LukeRojas

Жыл бұрын

So he met a few incels and lumps in all of his fans with those people and abandons pretty much everything he ever said or believed in?

@tychopanda

Жыл бұрын

​@@LukeRojas 1. Most fans will shout "OMG [insert well known name]!! HII!!" or some popular quote they're known for saying. When you walk down the street and your fans shout slurs at you, it's a wakeup call to what you're known for and how you're influencing your fans. No one wants to be remembered as the guy who told tana mongoose to say the n-word. 2. What beliefs are so important that they overweigh the decision to not use slurs online?

@LukeRojas

Жыл бұрын

@@tychopanda I'm fine with him not saying slurs, but now he's a completely different person who has no sense of humor at all and is obviously only changing his persona because of the political climate on KZread right now. Also using the n-word to Tana was wrong but the general point that he was making had merit to it and the reason why he made content cops usually had valid reasons. I just think he could have stopped using slurs without having to change his style of content and overall personality completely. Also he was on Hassan's podcast. Ugh...

@drooooop

Жыл бұрын

@@LukeRojas how do you know that? Because he doesn’t think exactly like you that means he’s just doing it for views? People are allowed to change their views.

@LukeRojas

Жыл бұрын

@@drooooop I didn't say that he wasn't allowed to change but given the fact that a lot of these formerly edgy comedians/creators have all suddenly become woke and 'reformed' in order just to protect their image and channel, it's hard to think that Idubbbz is being 100% genuine. Also I think it's hard to believe that someone can change their mind so drastically on pretty much everything that he used to be against.

I once had the opportunity to meet Charlie. I said hey to him and when he turned around he roundhouse kicked me and walked off. Such a nice guy.

@p-__

Жыл бұрын

My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.

@Jack_Horner

Жыл бұрын

@Joseph #Biden2024 I don’t.

@PeruvianPotato

Жыл бұрын

Damn all these bots

@LucasAgazzi1

Жыл бұрын

@@p-__ Lies

@TheAngelOfDeath000

Жыл бұрын

My toilet bowl is better than Charlie’s toilet bowl

what a crazy double down.

L Take: the Sequel

@naseiin

4 ай бұрын

You're an L

I really cannot believe Charlie missed the mark this far and STILL missed it now! Charlie...wtf man... It's not about if he was ACTUALLY racist, it's about how hundreds of thousands maybe even millions of teen boys turned around terrorized people with edgy bullshit. It was NOT okay just because it was a trend in 2016. It was not okay thenz it's not okay now. It needed to be called out then and be called out now.

@suelancaster6959

Жыл бұрын

Get over it. He wasn't out there burning crosses in yards he was making edgy jokes. How in the fuck do you people function online and in the real world with such thin ass skin?

@linkous101

Жыл бұрын

How is some loser teenage boy saying the n word actually hurting anyone? Grow some thicker skin

@mesaplayer9636

Жыл бұрын

So you would rather those boys just use conventional bullying rather than 2016 edgy bullying? Those people that used edgy bullying from 2016 were gonna bully everyone no matter what with whatever they could find.

@memecrusader_2123

Жыл бұрын

Bruh. Litterally I grew up on his content and I never went terriozing people. I thought as a middle schooler it was funny but it wasn't something you should just be saying. Maybe I'm an anomaly but I feel like I should've been obvious you shouldn't just say that. Besides parents should monitor what their kids watch anyway if that's an issue. It's like blaming video games for mass shootings it's just stupid. You have to already have that factor of racism or hate before you pursue. I had that which from what I'm hearing is rare.

@goopbuni

Жыл бұрын

@@memecrusader_2123 your singular experience can’t be applied to millions of viewers. many people used idubzz content to rationalize and normalize racism and bigotry. it also led to people who DID agree with idbuzz take and we’re a part of the victimized groups to have some type of internalized self hate, wether that be internalized racism, homophobia, etc. you can see in the comments people explaining both of these things happening to them

i literally watched his content change my friends in middle school. i watched them start to look at me different. this is in no way the case for everyone but i know countless kids who were put on the path to radicalization via the normalization of slurs and bigotry as a 'joke'.

@Techn9cian123

Жыл бұрын

You were radicalized to the left

@1mclv

Жыл бұрын

your friends were raised poorly

@theodoesya8300

Жыл бұрын

@@1mclv the ones that were referenced here, yes. mostly wealthy and spoiled and have never had any real brushed with prejudice other than that they cast on others.

@hagoromootsutsuki6820

Жыл бұрын

@@1mclv a lot of people are raised poorly

@abcdefzhij

Жыл бұрын

So, are you saying that idubbbz was actually racist, or something?

It’s not that people misinterpreted what your opinions were, it’s that we all clearly noticed how awfully YOU misinterpreted his apology video.

I first found Ian’s content when I was 10 years old. My friends and I would binge watch his videos and found ourselves saying slurs very comfortably. Watching his videos radicalized me and turned me into an awful person. I was very racist and edgy and thought gore was funny. I terrorized several people I used to be friends with and found justification in it from Ian’s content. Thankfully after I turned 15 I started to realize the harm I caused and changed, but I think you missed the point of how detrimental his content was to those of us who were much younger in 2016; especially those who were victims of Ian’s content.

@mpsins

Жыл бұрын

Dude it sounds like you were turning into a 4channer without 4chan I think you would've crossed someone like leafy at that age and started adopting his mannerisms and shit as well if idubbz wasn't first

@billythe503kid4

Жыл бұрын

"Victims of Ian's content" bruh, that is definitely on you as a kid. Sure you were influenced by Ian to say slurs. But the attacks and taking it to the next level was definitely on you not Ian.

@butter3617

Жыл бұрын

His content wasn't made to be watched by 10 year olds. That's your parents' fault.

@blodcloth

11 ай бұрын

@@mpsinshe’s kinda right tho kids get influenced easily but your right the dood is taking such a lil thing and making it a big deal reddit style

@mirotiny

11 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@billythe503kid4 “that’s definitely on you as a kid” is a WILD ass sentence my guy, do you realize what you just wrote? they were heavily influenced by ian’s content, i understand where you’re coming from but we need to acknowledge the fact that he DID have some sort of influence on a fuck ton of KIDS even if his content wasn’t made for kids, let’s not act as if he had NO responsibility at all now come on

Watched all 3 vids and I'll admit your take was surprising. While the labels on you are complete lunacy, I think the main problem is that there was just no productive discussion to be found from analyzing his apology and trying to insinuate that he shouldn't have felt as bad as he did, his content shouldn't have had such a huge impact, it shouldn't be as big of a deal as folks are making it out to be, etc. I understand the sentiment, but there's a difference between what *should* be and what *is.* He DID feel bad. People WERE affected, as your own comments are increasingly finding the motivation to relay to you. Ian was huge back then and I don't think I need to remind anyone what was going on in 2016. It is what it is. You hit the nail on the head at 12:20. As many have said, Ian's apology was for those people. I don't think it applies to you- and hey, I'm glad it doesn't- but you're an analytical commentator, so to make an entire video about it just felt odd, especially with the only takeaway being a notion of "I don't think he's as guilty as he felt." I totally agree that the recipients of Content Cop were not angels and making fun of trash/dangerous content is fair. Way too much of the spotlight is sitting on the CC concept. I don't get that. I hope this makes sense. Reasonable viewers don't think you're the boogeyman, lol. I just feel a bit more perspective was required here.

@4purs

Жыл бұрын

The thing is he makes videos about everything dumb shit or deep shit so it’s not rly a matter of “it didn’t deserve a whole video” as if Charlie has some sort of barometer on what deserves a video

@zeemdotexe

Жыл бұрын

Very well said👌🏻

@ARDERUUD

Жыл бұрын

@@4purs That's fair. Anyone can make a video about anything. I just think the ones about this situation missed the mark

@charliem4560

Жыл бұрын

Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.

@razzytack

Жыл бұрын

​@@charliem4560 No one said it wasnt? The overwhelming majority of people, and Ian himself, are criticizing the way his Content Cops were formatted and delivered. Everyone agrees that Ian made good points in his videos, but they were packaged in damaging ways

As a fellow 28 y/o man, thank you for defending us. We don’t deserve being called 30. *I’ll add that this is an obvious joke since people are being weird af*

@seaurchinted

Жыл бұрын

get outta the way gramps!!!!!

@ban4nya

Жыл бұрын

​@@seaurchinted 😭

@-z0mBEE

Жыл бұрын

I can hear Kevin hart saying Damn real loud😂

@jcw231

Жыл бұрын

@Saya Nara um, the whole thing is a joke. I don't know how that isn't blatantly obvious.

@shaunriordan493

Жыл бұрын

Guys it’s just a joke lol I don’t care about getting older. Older me makes way more money than younger me, and my place is way nicer than my dirty college housing. Aging has its perks ❤️ But to the younger gen out here, just make sure you enjoy it!

28 IS pushing thirty😂

@Biggsman_IV

11 ай бұрын

Pushing thirty is thirty. If you round up ages like that, I hope they don't let you ANYWHERE NEAR ANY buildings with minors in it.

@user-xi5im3hu4p

11 ай бұрын

@@Biggsman_IV 28 is basically 30. shut up old man

@ctfbffsby

11 күн бұрын

That was the joke you peanut

I really think he should apologize. you just can’t accept it because you literally are not a minority that has the slurs he said used against him. How do you not see how much he influenced the kids around him??

@BiggestSniff

Жыл бұрын

he’s also incredibly privileged and will never understand the nuance of these things unless he chooses to look into it. then again, this is someone who is friends with people like Kaya, so he might be battling with his own insecurities

@acommenter3939

Жыл бұрын

Because it really didn't. I see a lot of personal anecdotes about it being some detriment in schools, but as a person who was one of like 8 total black people at my middle school during idubbbz peak, that has never been a problem.

@bjingram8499

Жыл бұрын

@@acommenter3939 as a person in a similar position as you, the apology was meant for the people who were actually hurt. Just because people like me and you were fortunate enough to not have to experience that, doesn't invalidate the experiences of others who were affected by idubbbz's content.

@Jiub_SN

Жыл бұрын

White person can't have opinions ever, understood. This is a comment.

@progskep

Жыл бұрын

I’m black and I didn’t care about the content. Most of my friends are black and they didn’t care either. Most of the time we found it funny. That doesn’t matter to you, though. Charlie could be black as coal and giving the same take and you’d still just call him an Uncle Tom and say his opinion isn’t valid. What you *actually*care about is whether he’s willing to tout the party line and say what you want him to say. His race doesn’t matter to you lmao

I was a teenager during the Onision era. He was popular and I enjoyed his content so I acted more 'random"/used his quotes irl/even made my own Onion-esque videos. Kids mimic what they like.

@basedbrit4206

Жыл бұрын

So video games make kids violent??

@basedbrit4206

Жыл бұрын

You people are all insane

@Osama_Bin_Ladder

Жыл бұрын

Onision is leaps and bounds more dangerous than idubbz ever was/could be lol. Please tell me you didn't type this with a straight face.

@Kraken0000

Жыл бұрын

@@Osama_Bin_Ladder you missed the point entirely there eh

@silvertriforce2574

Жыл бұрын

*Slow* kids mimic what they like.

Just to toss in my experience here, I was 13 when I started watching iDubbbz and he was definitely the reason I used slurs in my early teens. By the time I was 16 I thankfully wised up and stamped out that part of me, but a lot of people I was friends with then are still like that now. I'm in my 20s now and seeing iDubbbz apologise makes me believe that those people I was once friends with can move on from that behaviour.

@plasmanip3998

Жыл бұрын

Bruh how do we get them to stop. I have some friends that still act like this and we’re in our 20’s. It’s embarrassing asf. Feels like if I don’t step in soon, in a few years they’re just gonna keep doubling down till they’re firmly far right weirdos

@scorchykinz

Жыл бұрын

@@plasmanip3998 I think its okay to be edgy if your using it post-ironic context and only with you're friend group. Like I don't think anyone is serious and going to the "far right"

@plasmanip3998

Жыл бұрын

@@scorchykinz so it’s not okay to yell the n word in public but it is okay when it’s just with your friends? Nah dude. Being an asshole in private instead of public is still being an asshole. Like I can definitely understand edgy humor in the context of a public space with only adults and everyone is aware that you’re not serious at all, but most often using prejudicial humor in public is just a subtle way to virtue signal your prejudice. There’s even been studies done on this.

@scorchykinz

Жыл бұрын

@@plasmanip3998 willy nilly screaming the n word about is just being racist not edgy like there's gotta be context and actually be funny . Post-Ironic edgy humor is okay to have just if you're doing public standup add that context, and if you're private your friends already know you're not being serious

@plasmanip3998

Жыл бұрын

@@scorchykinz I do think some people genuinely don’t know if others are serious and often these type of jokes reinforce their preconceived stereotypes and prejudices. But I think I agree it’s fine to do this type of humor as long as you’re sure everyone knows it doesn’t accurately represent the world. I just think most people aren’t careful enough around that area- people often unknowingly feed their biases.

put it back in the oven the take's not baked

As a black person who was in middle school in 2016, I don't t get what everyone is crying abt

The apology wasn’t so much “I’m sorry for being a bigot” but more “I’m sorry my content made some people think it’s okay to be a bigot.” There were a ton of kids back in 2016 who felt comfortable using slurs and shit because of creators like idubbbz

@Siaman668

Жыл бұрын

You can make the same argument for anything than. I have heard more fuck up shit in a mw2 lobby than anything idubbz said. Most kids can recognize racism is cringe and usually just stop. We all did it. At one point we heard a slur thought it was funny, than just kinda stopped either because a we just realized it wasn’t funny and moved on or b our parents actually explained it.

@BillyMinnow

Жыл бұрын

Kinda sounds like you wish you were able to use slurs

@Canyyon

Жыл бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Siaman668 yeah, you can make that argument about a lot of things like that back then. But that doesn't make it any less bad? He was a contributor and apologized

@Beyblade_worrior

Жыл бұрын

Nah he’s just virtue signalling

@Precipiceofwind

Жыл бұрын

@@Siaman668 "we all did it", no man💀 not everyone is a terminally online racist westoid.

I won't lie, I remember when Idubbbz was really popular, some my friends genuinely used him and his videos to justify saying the N word, and would literally quote him and his slurs to me, a black guy. I tried to brush it off, but in hindsight, he did have a genuine effect on the way people viewed such behavior, and I think it's great he's apologizing for it. He was a lot of the reason why that type of "humor" was so prominent. He wasn't merely a product of his time, which I think is the major misunderstanding here. Also, not to pull the race card, but a white guy, especially an adult, would definitely have an easier time seeing it as "just edgy humor".

@emiami458

Жыл бұрын

I always thought he was extremely cringe and still think he is, I would like to see him apologize for that nasty and disgusting video he made of eating vomit, hair and toenails, he's a disgusting degenerate p.o. s

@Keen.

Жыл бұрын

this is real asf 💯

@666Kaca

Жыл бұрын

You literally pulled the race card

@Keen.

Жыл бұрын

@@666Kaca it was to put moists argument into perspective. Moist doesn’t experience the consequences of idubbbz influence.

@azzombie

Жыл бұрын

@@666Kaca he literally didnt

it seems youre entirely missing the premise here lmao

This is still missing so much of the point.

I was 16 back in 2016, and the impact idubbbz had on me and some of my friends was definitely not any message he was trying to say. I think at younger ages things "context" and "nuance" aren't usually understood, so the message we took to heart was just that spamming slurs = funny.

@RBLXDignitysHQ

Жыл бұрын

it is funny

@AndrewT34pot

Жыл бұрын

Man the amount of time it took me to find this type of comment is like trying to find good food in a dumpster fire. good job for having a brain in 2023!

@trashjunglr786

Жыл бұрын

@@RBLXDignitysHQ get a girlfriend and move out of your moms basement bro

@RBLXDignitysHQ

Жыл бұрын

@@trashjunglr786 i have a wife and an apartment its funny

@gozutheDJ

Жыл бұрын

@@RBLXDignitysHQwhy?

You know it’s bad when Charlie is callin ya into the saloon for a little “chit chat.”

@TheAngelOfDeath000

Жыл бұрын

My toilet is Better than Charles toilet

@p-__

Жыл бұрын

My farts are better than Charlie’s farts

@carmenpuddinpop8642

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@TheBlueMeteo

Жыл бұрын

The hell are all these bots for bro...?

@prezo852

Жыл бұрын

i accidently clicked this video and that intro of charlie calling me in for a "chit chat" i thought i was dead

Its crazy how when you are a commentary channel, your words and how you say them matter. This hurts to say as a major Critikal fan (still a fan btw), but this whole scenario was a massively moist L for the channel.

@happer9813

Жыл бұрын

I'd recommend clearing your mind and rewatch his videos on it, and be open to what he's saying

@charliem4560

Жыл бұрын

How is saying that Idubbbz shouldn’t apologize for other people’s actions an L take? Idubbbz denounced hate and racism. He never encouraged it. He never condoned it. He was living like everyone else in a time before people were extremely sensitive to vocabulary.

@Iyana

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I was a fan of Content Cop as a teen and I remember when the video on Tana came out…then suddenly tons of kids thought it was okay to say the N word. I was called it multiple times by people I knew who thought it was okay or just edgy humor because of this. Seeing all of the comments of other people who were negatively impacted is also very telling. I’ve been a fan of Charlie since way before his face reveal when he just played dumb internet games…So to see Charlie say the apology (not even targeted at him) was not needed and no big deal is really dissapointing.

@TheNINDLE

11 ай бұрын

Yeah you’ll forget about it in a month pal

@jmanius1

11 ай бұрын

@@TheNINDLE hehehe, I never forget lmao 🤣. Maybe try saying it again in another 2 months

oh it got worse

As a black girl middle schooler during 2016 idubbbz was one of many reasons for a lot of bullying and normalization of racial slurs. They all watched him. Maybe this was past ur time Charlie.

@mg9903

Жыл бұрын

Thought Charlie was mature enough to understand this :/

@MozeXI

Жыл бұрын

I hope this isn't him falling off but I felt this day may come quite soon. He's been very unproblematic for a while now and I fear it'll all come out at once

@xVoiiDxHD

Жыл бұрын

@@MozeXI what all coming out at once? 😂😂 you act like he’s got some horrible crimes under his belt

@MozeXI

Жыл бұрын

@@xVoiiDxHD bro what are you on about? I mean a bunch of shit opinions. Yk... Like this one?

@Obviousalter

Жыл бұрын

If people are gonna be racist/edgy, they are gonna do despite some idiot on the internet making videos. Sorry you grew up in a racist school. Maybe you should try to take words less personally, especially from people who are obviously so morally below standard.

I still feel like Charlie is missing the sentiment behind the criticism. The content cops aren't the issue, it's that the "edgy humor" genuinely hurt people. Ian's story about that trans fan who assumed he hated them says it all imo

@bruhbruhbruhhhhh

Жыл бұрын

Source: I made it the fuck up. All the sudden people started to believe all of this shit when idubbbz made ONE video, his "fans" are so one-sided.

@alyson7277

Жыл бұрын

right 😭 i hated charlie saying that idubz wasn’t coming from a place of hate because yes, he probably wasn’t from a place of hate, but the damage has already been done. the trans fan and most others would obviously come to the the conclusion that he’s bigoted just from his content. and it’s not like we could read his mind and see that he wasn’t coming from a place of hate.. :,)

@codylawson1257

Жыл бұрын

If you get hurt by an edgy joke then that's on you. Just grow up karen

@paracausalpaninipress

Жыл бұрын

Did you watch the entire video? Lol

@motherearth7303

Жыл бұрын

@@paracausalpaninipress yes and he still missed the mark. he was minimizing the use of slurs as just edgy humor. the dude doesn't understand how using slurs as a white person even just on the internet can cause harm

I genuinely cannot convey enough that he really did create a safe space for racist people. There’s no ignoring that and you ignoring the real issues that idubbs apologized for is rather immature.

@pasha6753

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know, I thought it wasn’t racism. I didn’t delve into his content but I have met a few of his “og” fans and they don’t hit me as crazy racist.

@chaitea9522

Жыл бұрын

@@pasha6753 …not your call to make. i have had ppl say slurs to my face and justify it over and over using his rhetoric. be quiet if you have not done research. what an unnecessary and rude comment you have made.

@jcstides

Жыл бұрын

@@chaitea9522oh that’s so sad bro, who tf remotely cares

@chachatje

Жыл бұрын

​@@jcstidesAnyone with a slither of empathy.

@Just_another_menace

Жыл бұрын

Bruh

Charlie I honestly don’t think you can just keep hiding behind ‘a product of the time’, the point is he isn’t stuck in 2016, he’s an adult who is now capable of recognizing that a public figure has a bigger impact on their audience than they can initially perceive, especially when that figure does not belong to any marginalized groups. The whole idea of marginalized groups was a joke back then, and although Ian has grown up, plenty of people could still find comfort and validation for their shit behavior towards said groups because they think back on him and his old content. I also think it’s fair to point out that even though the subjects of content cop were usually pretty deserving of some form of criticism, he’d oftentimes end up taking away from the validity of his reasons to criticize them by showing a reflection of that behavior in his own content. I dunno man I’m glad you could recognize how your video was misconstrued but I think you were on a different page regarding most of the apology.

@thezu9250

Жыл бұрын

It’s easy for someone to dismiss the impact of something when they are not in the vulnerable age nor in the marginalized group being discussed. He was like in his 20s. So dumb videos are not going to have the same impact as on middle schoolers. Kids are not the greatest at handling that kind of stuff.

@commentcop5010

Жыл бұрын

Ain’t reading allat 🤣😂😂😭

@joshwakelin4587

Жыл бұрын

@@commentcop5010 I don’t remember anybody asking you to

@pinkymcnastystinky3465

11 ай бұрын

No

I think a major point Charlie is missing is that the apology video isn't just about Ian: it's also about the audience he cultivated and the groups of people that were victimized by them. I think there is far less people who believe he "created" this bigoted audience than Charlie thinks, but I also think that it's pretty common knowledge that you don't need to create something to help keep it alive, especially if they have such a massive platform. So of course he feels guilty about that, not just the immediate consequences of shouting slurs in every vid. As for the victims of said actions, they are the ones Ian is truly apologizing to, because I think he's a decent person now and they're the ones who were affected the most. Whether or not they forgive him, it's up to them, but he was a big (tho not the only) reason why it seemed normal for them to face daily bigotry (I would know because I was one of them). The apology wasn't just a way for Ian to move on with himself, but also a genuine try to give closure to the ones he was responsible for indirectly hurting.

@admiralkaede

Жыл бұрын

so what

@tylersargent3307

Жыл бұрын

@@admiralkaede stay mad stinky

@admiralkaede

Жыл бұрын

@@tylersargent3307 are u 3?

@tylersargent3307

Жыл бұрын

@@admiralkaede yes

@tylersargent3307

Жыл бұрын

@@admiralkaede 7 actually hoebag

I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you here, I dunno if you're really one to say that certain groups weren't so impacted by Idubbz's content that an apology wasn't warranted. For years, the immediate and only response to people being called out for abject racism in the guise of jokes was a quote from one of his videos. He definitely influenced the culture he now hates.

@KVoinre

Жыл бұрын

yeah, idk why charlie is deciding to die on this hill. There were people influenced by this content, and its good that idubbzz is apologising for it (better late than never)

@AllTheArtsy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's such bizzare behavior. Why does he think he can judge what is racist or bigoted or hateful or cruel? Someone who calls racist language "cringe" really does not deserve to have such a loud opinion on this. Charlie literally could have just eaten his salad in peace.

@Daan030

Жыл бұрын

Moist just thinks he was overdoing the apology way too much. Which is fine to say, iDubzz saying all content cops were too much etc.

@fearlessslayer341

Жыл бұрын

I see so people didn't watch the whole video. Charlie just said that he didn't think it was bad to apologize, he's just saying that content shouldn't weight on him as much as it seems like it had.

@obama9535

Жыл бұрын

It’s not Idubbz’s fault that his content was used in that way, perhaps he should’ve called out those who were actually hateful and using his content to justify said hate but I wouldn’t say the content itself is the issue.

there's nothing "edgy" about saying slurs and encouraging hate. nothing at all bruh

But…..The apology wasn’t for you lol it was for the people who was associated without the slurs. I’m Half back and I’m impressed at how Idubbz addressed and apologized to THE PEOPLE WHO WERE AFFECTED BY HIS USE OF SLURS. You’re too focused on intent. Yeah, Ian didn’t intend to flame the fire of racist sexist incels, but he did.

Props to Charlie for continuing to be willing to discuss the responses to his takes on stuff. With this, I think one thing Charlie might be missing is that you don't need to be super young to be impressionable.

@icevalkyrie_

Жыл бұрын

i make 10x better content than penguinz0

@skyetan86

Жыл бұрын

​@@icevalkyrie_ did you reply to the right comment...?

@reiangossling6395

Жыл бұрын

@@skyetan86 It's a bot, the Israeli flag paired with the use of "misgender" out of context makes it obvious.

@user-rc3sw7xk1w

Жыл бұрын

@@icevalkyrie_ wrong comment dude

@grichl88

Жыл бұрын

@@icevalkyrie_ sure

No he didnt create edgy internet culture but he re-inpsired a new era of it and this resulted in many many many people including myself being harassed, scarred and harmed because of the bigoted jokes and slur catchphrases and cruel content. The apology was warranted.

@sir7544

Жыл бұрын

The jokes were funny

@Calax93

Жыл бұрын

​@@sir7544 no they weren't

@itwasriggedfromthestart9520

Жыл бұрын

@@Calax93 Humor is subjective, this is such a retarted thing to argue abou lol

@sparkles7111

Жыл бұрын

​@@sir7544 they were funny to you because you weren't affected/directly insulted by them 😭

@sir7544

Жыл бұрын

@@sparkles7111 Then dont fucking watch the videos if you feel insulted. He can make what he wants, its up to the audience to decide whether they are going to act retarded and go out into the world and shout slurs.

just gonna leave a lil quote from the apology video that you either completely skipped over or ignored because it was more convenient to the point you're trying to make: "casual racism is still racism, casual bigotry is still bigotry". it's not up to you to decide whether or not his content was bigotted or harmful to marginalized people. the fact that you're missing the point and dismissing his casual use of slurs as "edgy shock humor" is sort of emblematic of the issue that he's trying to point out with the apology

You are not a victim here dude. Most of the comments were educational, explaining their lived experiences, and were simply disappointed in you. Why are you getting so defensive?

He specifically mentioned in the video how he met a trans fan who thought he was transphobic, and how that event was a wakeup call for him

As a 12 year old at the height of 2016 edgy humor I can say that edgy shit definitely did effect mainly middle schoolers and 9th and 10th graders I don’t think it was all Idubbbz fault but it definitely did make a difference that you can still see today in certain groups of high schoolers

@Ahuerta22

Жыл бұрын

Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore. It’s somebody on lines fault people are bad

@ivanquintana_

Жыл бұрын

@@Ahuerta22 it's almost as if people were never taught to have agency to make decisions that they themselves are solely responsible of

@Ahuerta22

Жыл бұрын

@@ivanquintana_ I honestly don’t understand how so many people don’t get this

@Jitzau

Жыл бұрын

Thats cause middle schoolers find it funny, Idubbbz didn't popularize the trend of spamming slurs, the kids were already doing it.

@overlordfemto7523

Жыл бұрын

And what was the effect?

It’s clear that these people haven’t been in a Modern Warfare 2 or Black Ops lobby. 😅

When i was 12 i started watching idubbbz and unlike people in this comment section it didnt turn me racist!!! People who were smart enough to understand his irony were his actual fans. No matter what anyone does it always has the potential to accure a bad audience. If you were racist then thats a you problem bruh nobody made you racist.❤❤

That’s the issue with the “it’s just a joke” mentality. It’s just a joke… to you. To others, it could be taken seriously. To others it could be a green light to perpetuate their hurtful ideas. Awareness is more than knowing what you say, but comprehending the environment what you say creates.

If someone feels bad for what they did, it doesn't matter how long ago it was, it's never too late to apologize.

@TitaniumTurbine

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I couldn’t have said it better. This is how I felt when watching the last video. It’s okay to apologize when it’s unprovoked?

@icevalkyrie_

Жыл бұрын

i make 10x better content than penguinz0

@Sad_Tomato

Жыл бұрын

@@icevalkyrie_ you should apologize

@brenturner1160

Жыл бұрын

​@@Sad_Tomato You just replied to a bot.

@FemboyKaiSaku

Жыл бұрын

​@@brenturner1160you just replied to a stranger that you will never meet

Charlie: agree to disagree, comments: no

Charlie- his impact made the normalization of slurs okay. That’s what happened. He’s allowed to take responsibility for that. Cause it happened.

I think many people that disliked your original video would also hold the opinion that iDubbz was not a horrible, racist monster during the time he made those videos. I think the issue is more that, he made an apology acknowledging how influential, and significant the role his content played in that KZread era was, and that apology was healing for a lot of the people affected. Most of us understand that he was heavily influenced by his surroundings, but still believe that him taking responsibility for the part his content played with an apology was incredibly helpful and affirming. That’s why people are upset, because it felt like you’re video pushed back against the affirmation that those marginalised people have been waiting for. In my opinion, this video still fails to acknowledge that.

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I rarely see people like you move on from being bitter about jokes that you didn't find funny. Like maybe 1 in a thousand, if that. "Healing" my ass, it seems more like a public struggle session. And I say this as a guy who tentatively supports idubbbz pushing back against the toxic losers that supposedly were fans of his. This all seems like a tug-of-war between two groups who both get off making examples of people.

@naomi-ur2wb

Жыл бұрын

THIS!!!

@imfurrytrash6769

Жыл бұрын

Google the term "strawman argument"

@adminbob_

Жыл бұрын

@@imfurrytrash6769 why

@imfurrytrash6769

Жыл бұрын

@@adminbob_ because he conceded on that argument. And him wanting to change content is not the reason people think the apology is dumb. So this entire comment thread has nothing to do with the argument at hand. Just a diversion

As a black highschooler during the years of 2012-2016 and loved idubbz but also got a lot of these "jokes" made directly to me with ill intent

@fandyus4125

Жыл бұрын

Yeah right? But I also assume that these hormonal dumb teenagers who got "high" off of Idubbbz are grown ass people now and probably forgot Idubbbz even existed. Everyone is acting like Ian was the chief propagandist for the KKK. Like seriously, someone should go to /pol/ and ask how many of those guys are there because they watched an Idubbbz vid in 2016. I don't think there are any.

@britneylovecraft2435

Жыл бұрын

Same

@charliem4560

Жыл бұрын

And how is that Idubbbz fault in any way? How is he responsible for others actions?

@charliem4560

Жыл бұрын

Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.

@britneylovecraft2435

Жыл бұрын

@@charliem4560 yes, the common tactic to try to silence black voices as when they are literally just talking about shared experience. And who said he wasn’t worth being criticized??

I feel like you, again, kind of missed the point of the apology and why people disagreed with your take in the first place. It also feels like you kinda cherrypicked the most disagreeable comments, because most of the criticism I've seen towards your video was much more nuanced than how you're portraying it here.

@saiko-no-kami

Жыл бұрын

He's probably replying to the comments he saw on twitter reddit etc rather than those made on KZread I think.

@zeemdotexe

Жыл бұрын

@@saiko-no-kami maybe, but if you're gonna make a whole 20 minute video dedicated to the criticism, why not address the majority of it instead of pretending it was all misunderstandings and people coming to irrational conclusions? I'm sure those exist but like ???

@Cloudaddy220

Жыл бұрын

“…kind of missed the point of the apology” The projection here is off the charts

@zeemdotexe

Жыл бұрын

@@Cloudaddy220 can you elaborate?

@Cloudaddy220

Жыл бұрын

@@zeemdotexe first of all Ian didn’t apologize, there was no actual remorse in his words. He’s just appealing to advertisers and creators he “harassed” who still have clout he can leech off of in the space like Tana, as we see by him going on her podcast. You really think all these edgy content creators all had the exact same epiphany about their morals at the exact same time in their careers which just so happened at the same time advertisers stated to crack down on the content they were endorsing? He’s still ignoring other creators he was supposed to be apologizing to if they don’t have a certain level of clout, he’s just dismissing all the good points he made in his content cop videos, there’s nothing genuine about these apology videos he’s putting out. He’s just trying to appeal to the crowd he feels will bring him as revenue, that was the point of the “apology,” nothing else

Are you even reading your KZread comments?

@kcm4321

Жыл бұрын

they're cancerous. why would he?

@matcha9250

Жыл бұрын

@@kcm4321 your bussy must be RAW from riding on it this hard and long omfg 💀💀💀

@efneqjkn

4 ай бұрын

​@@kcm4321 nah their spitting facts

@dingleberry24096

26 күн бұрын

He spends half the video talking about the comments 💀

I don't think Charlie fully understands the impact it had on a lot of people. I'm both black and gay, and around that time I was younger and a lot less secure in my identity. With the content idubbbz made, the normalizing of slurs and making fun of gay people it was just very hard to stay positive. And it wasn't just him. Because his content was so popular, other creators started copying it and it became cool to say slurs. Then it started leaking into real life. Hearing kids and teens say these slurs wasn't uncommon at all. And then with pewdiepie dropping the n-word hard r and all, or saying 'nibba' and people claiming 'it's not a big deal', it was like our opinions and feelings didn't matter. We were just being talked over. I steered clear from so many youtube channels because it was becoming bad for my mental health, seeing the type of audience they fostered. So I'm glad he became more mature and saw the error in his ways. It was a heartfelt apology that I actually accept.

@semideadnat

11 ай бұрын

This I agree on 100% percent. I feel like a lot people who don't see how bad of an impact idubbbz made with the people of color and how it created a ripple effect on KZread. While I am in no way a black person, I still see how bad of impact was created. I was still in middle school and faced with bigoted comments back in 2016 by my fellow classmates. I still faced the bigoted and homophobic comments throughout middle school because some of the kids around said nothing but bigoted stuffed along with the many slurs. It really doesn't pair up well with the stuff that is going on in the news in recent news here in the US.

@jed1austinchannel772

11 ай бұрын

Dude you need to forget about crap that happened over a decade ago it doesn’t matter. There’s no need to dwell on something that happened so long ago

@semideadnat

11 ай бұрын

@@jed1austinchannel772 I can't tell if this is satire or not, I hope it is.

@bean6803

11 ай бұрын

@@jed1austinchannel772 - OP literally said that it negatively impacted their mental health. It may have not been important to you because it didn’t affect you, but that doesn’t mean it was just as unimportant to everyone else. Also, with the way you’re talking about it, you’d think that it was decades old. 6 years isn’t that long ago, and it’s reasonable that some of the people who felt hurt by that content is still around.

@Nilufar_Nasha_Luvs_Catzz

11 ай бұрын

@@jed1austinchannel772 Found the cis white man

he may not have made edgy internet culture but he amplified it. I wanted to be like idubbbz as a young teen and I would say slurs all the time and so did my friends who also watched idubbbz.

@bekaz13

Жыл бұрын

yeah idk what makes this different from shane dawson's blackface. neither of them were ideologically racist, but their actions were racist and made their audiences think it was cool to do those things. they hurt people, directly or indirectly, and as charlie isn't part of the hurt group, he doesn't get to decide if the apology is warranted or not.

@joshstubs2927

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you were an illiterate teen. Still are now. You only give that word power just because. That's what illiterate people do.

@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it

Жыл бұрын

@@feefeedee9865 yeah. its kinda funny that people are ready to make a fuss about words on the internet but then they themselves proceed to insult others on reddit and twitter for calling their obesity out

@dextrosxe

Жыл бұрын

@@feefeedee9865 you're the exact type of person idubbbz is ashamed to have been associated with lol

@feefeedee9865

Жыл бұрын

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it yeah, it’s hypocritical really. The people who are the most sensitive are usually the least kind and attack anyone who they think is doing something ‘wrong’ or they don’t like. A nice person saying a slur as a joke is literally less toxic than them

nothings wrong with idubbz apologizing, but ppl like ethan and Hasan turned it into a larger issue saying if you dont like his apology it means you support yelling the n-word at ppl, (they said this) like bruh the disingenuousness is crazy. This was about charlie's video talking about it which he had to apologize for. Just so crazy. But i dont like that Idubbz is framing that all the hate hes getting rn is because his audience is still childish and edgy, and the two camps are "people ready to change and grow up" wow how condescending, and "childish edgy racists who love saying the n-word" how fake can you be. A lot of the hate is obv coming from the creator clash 2 drama and doing froggy fresh so dirty.

@drooooop

Жыл бұрын

You literally sound like a 12 year old boy, so I’d say the assessments of the two camps are pretty accurate

@blankblank2370

Жыл бұрын

​@@drooooop Friend, you're probably 12 yourself. Calm down lol

@drooooop

Жыл бұрын

@@blankblank2370 literally “no u”. 🤡 Good one!

@butter3617

Жыл бұрын

@@drooooop At least they're actually giving a well rounded opinion on the issue. You're just here to insult them.

@Shift_Salt

11 ай бұрын

​@@butter3617that's what most of the internet does honestly. Literally what happened with these videos.

I think Charlie needs to rewatch the video

i think the main reason people disagreed with the last video is bc it seemed like you didn’t really understand the impact idubbz’ old content had

not only was I young when I encountered Idubbz's content, I wasnt american. I had no context for the slurs he was using so I took his words at what they were, without knowing the impact they had. His content, regardless of intent introduced to me the normalization of not taking racism seriously so long as it's "just words".

@bryce9083

Жыл бұрын

It’s just jokes

@PumaArg

Жыл бұрын

This! This happened to me with another YT too who actually said "it's just a word"

@jayzandstra1830

Жыл бұрын

if you are not american you should definitely know that its just fucking words. for fucks sakes LMAO

@techissus7449

Жыл бұрын

@@PumaArg hamon beat?

@keldawott7406

Жыл бұрын

@@bryce9083 dude literally read a paragraph about someone experience about being desensitized to slurs, and how it affects people and said “it’s just a prank bro” go touch grass

You just can't decline an apology that wasn't directed at you. It's that simple. Imagine that interaction offline for a second. Person A apologizes to Person B, then Person C who wasn't involved at all jumps in and says "It's all cool, and honestly, I think you're wrong about your own assessment of yourself here." That's weird AF.

@GransPicker

Жыл бұрын

No need to apologize

@GransPicker

Жыл бұрын

It was pointless

@kd8663

Жыл бұрын

@@GransPicker not up to you what’s worth apologizing for. It’s literally between the person apologizing and the person they’re apologizing to. Again, it’s weird to insert yourself into something between other people that doesn’t concern you.

@GransPicker

Жыл бұрын

@@kd8663 he clearly has a unnecessary approach to his situation. It’s not weird to tell someone they’re overreacting. He was playing a character just lie, frank and max and basically. They’re all *characters* not meant to be taken serious. Idubbz problem is that he did

@kd8663

Жыл бұрын

@@GransPicker it’s up to him to decide if he wants to apologize. Random strangers on the internet don’t matter.

How do you miss the point this much

16:40 This seems to be where most of us are taking issues with your take. There is absolutely a younger crowd that was heavily influenced by his content and was unable to see the satire or nuance. You were right when you said that Idubbbz didn't create edgy content, that he was just molded by it like Bane but he did turn into the posterboy for the genre on KZread at the time. Edit for the brain dead replies: I'm saying charlie hit the nail on the head on my timestamp, not that he doesn't get it. That's why he said "I was probably wrong about this.". Also, none of this really matters. No one asked Idubbbz to apologize lol at least it was sincere even if not necessary.

@chloec2187

Жыл бұрын

he needs to see this. usually i’m really on board with charlie’s takes but this is strange

@adnan1208

Жыл бұрын

Wait but he agrees with you

@-BL1NKY

Жыл бұрын

You are not 'we' you are an individual speaking for everyone else and that's pretty problematic fam

@pushinpencils258

Жыл бұрын

If you let yourself be influenced by ppl on the internet you weren’t raised right and that’s not on the creator to apologize take it up with your parents or whoever you grew up around it’s not idubz fault therefore no apology warranted.

@-BL1NKY

Жыл бұрын

@@pushinpencils258 this. The reason the tranny brigade is so animated over this is because it's their wet dream to be able to attribute 3rd party crimes onto people who did not commit them

To quote one of your own videos, “Calling this an apology is a disservice to apologies; he is literally just justifying his reaction.”

@bug3861

Жыл бұрын

^^

@markedtky

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i guess that does apply to idubbz's apology

@markedtky

Жыл бұрын

@@jesterbomb6763 idk, ask this guy. That's the only apology that he was talking about

@lj0727

Жыл бұрын

I really don't think Charlie was even attempting to apologize... he literally was just trying to explain his points more clearly.

@ciararara4759

Жыл бұрын

@@lj0727 I mean Charlie apologizes for people misunderstanding him lol so I guess he is saying sorry for not making his point very clear from the beginning.

If you're punching down in your humor by using words that hurt others and not yourself its still punching down. I agree idubbz was not intending to have his content embolden/influence certain groups of people but it did. People are saying that "I never said slurs and I was an idubbz fan" or "idubbz is just switching bc his old content doesn't make money anymore." Good job for having a good head on your shoulders and there are many apology videos where the creator doesn't even acknowledge what they did. It doesn't matter. Easily influenced stupid people like Qanon crazies and Andrew Tate incels make problems for all of us. It reminds me of when old people were saying video games make us violent/become school shooters. Of course it doesn't because we know from right and wrong. Unfortunately, a good majority of people don't. Saying slurs is not edgy it's unacceptable point blank. So why even entertain the idea and pass it off as a joke? I find it weird that you're voicing an opinion on someone else's apology for past videos when they are genuinely trying to make amends for the impact of their content.

Love when people commented before finishing the vid

I honestly really feel like saying slurs has always been a bad thing. Every time charlie mentioned the slurs he said they were “loosey goosey slurs” or “edgy shock slurs”. Just because it was an earlier time of the internet doesn’t mean people didn’t understand that saying that word wasn’t alright, it still had all the history then as it does now and wether it came from hate or not wasn’t really the point, slurs aren’t “loosey goosey” they never have been.

@1mclv

Жыл бұрын

I think what matters is the intent behind the word, or the way you say it to someone, for example, jew is not a slur, but someone can use it as such to offend someone, same goes for gay. The difference here is that people decide how they take/interpret the word, if you want it to offend you, then it will offend you, if you consider that the person saying it with ill intent is just an asshole, then it won't bother you in the slightest.

@happyhour4670

Жыл бұрын

Disagree

@The-Doctor6969

Жыл бұрын

@@1mclv I wonder, are you called slurs often?

@kaled8839

Жыл бұрын

@@The-Doctor6969 wow crazy how this doesn't matter in the slightest and its obvious youre assuming he's white because he disagrees with you, the racism is astonishing. anyway, as an asian, chink was thrown my way ALOT, and it was very easy to tell when it was said with the intent to offend or not. surprisingly, the intent behind the word very much affected my reception of it! what 1mclv is saying is exactly correct, and you don't need to have experienced it to know, this is common sense that someone trying to offend will offend, and someone not trying to offend won't

@abcdefzhij

Жыл бұрын

If you want to unconditionally eat the slop of societal conditioning that is rooted in nothing but moral grandstanding, then sure slurs are always bad and context should be ignored. Otherwise context matters

12:05 You have to understand, when young ppl watch their faves getting laughs/likes/ attention from that “shock humor” they go and mimick it to their friends and community so they can get that same attention. It damages communities across the country when this “humor” is being normalized. It also allows ppl to be racist and frame it as “shock humor” to avoid being fully labeled a racist

@trashjunglr786

Жыл бұрын

your last sentence really stuck with me. I remember being so uncomfortable around these kinds of kids because they said really racist stuff to me as a black kid and if I ever tried to call them out, they would gaslight me by saying I can't take a joke and it's just ironic. Funnily enough if I ever jokingly tried to tease them back they would suddenly have an issue

@trashjunglr786

Жыл бұрын

@@MadWatcher Ok COD lobbies are one thing, everyone knows that. If you are calling black people the N word as a joke, even if it's a joke in your mind, you are hurting people. You know the history of the word, we know the history of the word, and we are barely removed from segregation. Don't you understand how no one can read minds, we CAN'T understand your intentions perfectly, because while you may be joking, I've met a lot of people with the same humor as that but ARE racist, like violent racist racist. You enable these people with your language because you give them a group of people using it ironically to hide behind and gaslight people into thinking they are one of. Plus kids don't understand this nuance. They see a funny dude that gets a lot of validation (millions of views, recommended on KZread), and just copy the loud, overtly racist language. Which just hurt kids, like it hurt me. Anyways I just hope you can understand it from the perspective of someone who grew up black. I'm sure you are probably a decent person who just doesn't get it because, well, you never experienced life as a black guy. Peace

@mikko3

2 ай бұрын

@@trashjunglr786 They had issue because yours werent jokes you were just upset

It’s crazy how people are so invested in other peoples opinions, like if u watched idubs and thought it was ok to use the n word u are mentally ill, just take his content for what it was comedy and satire

I watched Idubbz as an early teenager and all of my friends did too. We use to think slurs were perfectly normal which is NOT and I’m glad Ian and I have grown.

@gabervalo

Жыл бұрын

you've grown, ignore that lil dummy

@sheldongreene8366

11 ай бұрын

@Mr. Plasma You’re exactly the audience responsible for making Ian come out with an apology due to y’all autism 💀

@thereccher8746

11 ай бұрын

As a former leftie, you didn't actually "grow." Believe me it's just serotonin feeding your ego.

I feel as though idubbz of all people would be aware of the impact HIS content made on the internet, hence why he felt the need for an apology.

@Jitzau

Жыл бұрын

Felt less like a need and more like "I personally want to apoligize"

@itsJohnnyArsenic

Жыл бұрын

​@@Jitzau which makes it even more endearing because it's a want rather a need

@emiami458

Жыл бұрын

I always thought he was extremely cringe and still think he is, I would like to see him apologize for that nasty and disgusting video he made of eating vomit, hair and toenails, he's a disgusting degenerate p.o. s

I don’t think Charlie quite gets it still, saying the n word is racist and apologising for it isn’t unreasonable. It’s like Charlie hears idubbbz literally say “what I did harmed people and I saw it with my own eyes” and Charlie says “it was just cringe and lame it wasn’t bigotry”

@SM-nz9ff

Жыл бұрын

No you still don't get it, and you aren't trying to so f you too. Its not like Charlies is about to bow down to you or people like you

@xrphoenix7194

Жыл бұрын

That's because context and intent is more important than the sounds you make with your mouth.

@Glacialgaming

Жыл бұрын

Saying it is racist maybe but just because you say it, it doesn’t make you a racist, I could say the f slur right now but that doesn’t mean I hate anybody.

@Aspensauce64

Жыл бұрын

@@Glacialgaming when you use a slur you are disregarding the huge negative social and historical significance of the word and disregarding the harm that the word has done in the past and to this day. This disregard is racist. Bigotry isn’t just hating a person for who they are, it’s also when you choose to ignore the harm you’re doing to the people affected by the word with your actions.

Charlie imagine for a second, just for a second, just like idubbz that a fan of yours aproaches you, and says "hey, I know I am [minority] and you probably hate me, but I still want a photo with you" wouldn't that make you question everything you have done to create your community? What kind of prescence do you have in the internet to make someone think that?

Bro cleared the air on his response and even after reading the first few comments I can already tell that y'all are trippin on mad crack bro 😭 like I gotta say it bluntly: I just didn't know how toxic some of Charlie's fans are...damn.

Ian didn’t create edgy humor but he along with plenty other creators from that era, did add their own fair share. I think most rational people don’t think he was a racist or a homophobe or anything else, but I think that those remarks did influence less ration people. Those people being teens, when I was in Highschool I heard people saying slurs all the time because they thought it was funny. The content cops are definitely some of Ian’s best work, but I can see why he would really regret all of those deplorable unboxing videos.

@Beyblade_worrior

Жыл бұрын

Slurs are funny

@sola_a

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly it. It's wild that Charlie doesn't understand this. As a black woman, this "edgy" content shaped my life growing up. People constantly called me names and thought it was okay. Idubbz may not be racists but he contributed to creating such environment. I'm glad he recognizes that and I'm glad he apologized. Hope Charlie goes outside and actually talks to poc affected by this to understand

@lightningpenguin8937

Жыл бұрын

​@@Beyblade_worrior Nah, they're kind of cringe. Like I don't think they're the devil, but they're seriously cringe. Same with buzzwords and other types of insults.

@p1xel110

Жыл бұрын

having a similar experience is what made charlie's first video rub me the wrong way

@ImGoodThankYou

Жыл бұрын

​@@sola_a yeah he was saying slurs left and right like it was nothing

I feel like Charlie is missing the mark because he isn’t from the generation of kids who grew up impressionable to idubbbz videos. I remember growing up having white friends who watched his videos and eventually those terms were a part of there everyday vocabulary. Personally I couldn’t associate with them over time because they became clones of him. I understand that you think he shouldn’t apologize but I got mad respect for the fact that he did cuz he definitely fostered that culture which wasn’t positive at all. Edit: Finished the video and yeah he hit the mark. I was 14 back in 2016 and the kids watching his videos were definitely in influenced by them. I’m glad you realized that.

@bignuts1596

Жыл бұрын

KZread Comment mfs be typing essays 1 min 30 seconds into a video

@theroyaljules39

Жыл бұрын

@@bignuts1596 if you think this is what an essay looks like you need to go back to school

@islandboy9381

Жыл бұрын

@@theroyaljules39 these mfs riled up by a paragraph lmao

@maineman5757

Жыл бұрын

I'm missing it too because I was 22 in 2016. None of my friends even knew who idubbz even was. Hell... the only thing I know about him now is that he has an onlyfans girlfriend and used to make edgy content.

@azurepop1848

Жыл бұрын

​@@bignuts1596 MF freaking out over a paragraph

Can’t believe people genuinely thought Charlie was wrong💀

@Meeshilin_Man

27 күн бұрын

And he was..? I don't see how you think he's right. Maybe listen to minorities for once instead of trying to talk over them like you're the one affected..

@the_reverse_280

27 күн бұрын

@@Meeshilin_Man Ian didn’t mean anything he said in the video,he did purely out of fear of being deplatformed

@_ndless

19 күн бұрын

@@Meeshilin_ManI’m a minority and was a teenager at the time Ian was at his all time high for his content. I had no problem at all. At the end of the day it was just words and personalities not intentional hate mongering. It’s insane how people are absolutely “devastated” over a 8 year old Internet personality. Edgy vocabulary or not he pointed out internet hypocrites with his content cop series like Charlie does, if anything Ian is apologizing for the sake of knowing he’s become the things he was against at the time and had fear of being deplatformed. Also Ian did point out that if people are going to use slurs or vocabulary you can’t be a hypocrite about it in his Tana Mongeau content cop vid. TL:DR I’m not white, loved his content and was never offended. Cope. If people are shocked at what Idubbbz used to be wait til they find out who Joji was before he started making music

@Meeshilin_Man

19 күн бұрын

@@_ndless stopped reading as soon as it got to the NPC "Im blank and I liked it/didn't find it offensive" pick me line.

@Meeshilin_Man

19 күн бұрын

@@the_reverse_280 Right, because you're obviously Ian and know how he feels at every moment.

His content wasn’t “edgy” it was racist