What's does everyone think of Seb's top ten? Has he got it right, or should something else have won? And, let us know about your experience these suspension forks in the comments!

@Vanadium

5 жыл бұрын

To bad the Formula Selva was not included but I would say good test as always from Seb . Would love to see the same test with the new DVO Onyx SC when they are ready.

@skullsroad3642

5 жыл бұрын

Would the Z1 be an upgrade over a 2017 Fox 36 with the old Grip damper?

@NoWoke288

5 жыл бұрын

Mattoc?

@maxseminck8060

5 жыл бұрын

Great review 👌. I love my lyrik

@TheDuds33

5 жыл бұрын

Man, I've heard great things about the Ribbon. Really surprised you put that at that bottom. It almost sounded dismissive. Any chance you didn't give it a fair shake or call MRP for setup suggestions?

Most comprehensive side by side review I’ve ever seen. Outstanding job!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! We're glad you think so.

@joeschmoe303

5 жыл бұрын

adamelida19 agreed

@computerbob06

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Seb should test everything! And has a great, clear voice with excellent detail in the review!

@jayesh5131

3 жыл бұрын

Hands down, the best 🙌

@wjj7411

Жыл бұрын

No it isn't. It's purely objective. No numbers or actual lab results. Just personal opinions on how each fork "feels". A hardtail would have been a much better choice to isolate each fork. The rear shock might need to be adjusted when switching between forks to maximize the effectiveness/feel. Slow motion video from the same angle showing how every fork reacts over specific obstacles would have also been much more subjective than a single rider describing how each fork feels. At least a panel of 5-10 riders voting on each fork would have mitigated the personal preference for feel skewing the results. This is completely unscientific..

10: Mrp ribbon err 9: ohlins rfx evo 8: x fusion 36 trace hli 7: cane creek helm air 6: dvo diamond 5: dt Swiss f5 4:marzocchi momber zed one 3: rockshox yari arcee 2: Fox 36 kashima 1: rockshox lyrik rc2

@JohnS916

4 жыл бұрын

Ohlins needs to go back to the drawing board and learn more about the differences between mountain bike shocks and motorcycle shocks. They are the presumed kings in performance motorcycle shocks, almost all world-class race bikes from MotoGP, World Superbikes, and many others use Ohlins shocks. I've had them on four of my motorcycles, not the top-spec versions, but I have absolutely no complaints about them. I think if they would invest more in developing their mountain bike products, they will be formidable.

@jeep13ca

4 жыл бұрын

John S I was a little surprised to see this as well. They are the the masters of the black art of suspension tuning with everything on wheels and skis. Wonder if they bought out another company and rebranded to get their name into the market.

@shanebrady1071

4 жыл бұрын

Fox 36 are crap...i will never bye on again

@nanditho

4 жыл бұрын

@@shanebrady1071 what happened bro?

@ozziejim8472

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Brady what’s your choice?

Why am I watching a test about forks where even the cheapest cost more than my entire bike lol

Didn’t even know DT Swiss made suspension forks

@rajgill7576

4 жыл бұрын

Right?? I only ever seen rims by them

@hunterwright386

4 жыл бұрын

No one knew until now

@arnilmaro9873

4 жыл бұрын

Nino Schurter’s previous fork :)

@paulmulryne8405

4 жыл бұрын

They have for years, just never broken through to challenge the big 2.

@w0bblyd0inkb0ink

4 жыл бұрын

DT Swiss forks are really high quality built, finish and technology and priced to match that.

This is the best rundown ever. Thank you guys!!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful and thanks for watching!

SEB, you truly are The best reviewer, reporter, "how to" person in The mtb scene, i really hope @BikeRadar known how fucking awesome you are.

Why am I watching this, I have 2 road bikes?

@joshuacanfield93

5 жыл бұрын

Because you know you wana come to the dark side ;).. moreover, most MTBers have several road bikes

@jamesbeckett1583

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshuacanfield93 but we obviously never mention that we own road bikes

@th_js

5 жыл бұрын

I also have 2 Road bikes (not if someone asks) and I'm a very passionate mountain biker

@SpineSplitter1776

5 жыл бұрын

Because your hypnotized the more you watch this test!! It can be a blast.

@cellphonenut

5 жыл бұрын

Joshua Canfield that they ride anymore

Problem with the Cane Creek Helm fork is, that Cane Creek uses Racing Bros wiper seals, which are crazy tight. I switched over to Rock Shox Pike seals from SKF, which run much much smoother, which increases small pump sensitivity and simplifies finding a proper setup.

@leomolloy5067

5 жыл бұрын

@Thomas I just increased the travel by 10mm and gave it lots of negative giving it the same travel but significantly more supple

@maximilianlindner

5 жыл бұрын

Where did get that info from? I use RB Modi wipers in my Totem and Fox 36 and they are by far the best performing seals I have used that far, putting SKF to shame actually.

@leomolloy5067

5 жыл бұрын

@@maximilianlindner it's pretty easy to tell when you go to take the lowers off

@thomas6312

5 жыл бұрын

And when you try to remove the wipers from the lowers. You need a lot of force to do that. If you don't like SKF wipers, you can go for those from Push: www.pushindustries.com/collections/rear-shock-components/products/push-ultra-low-friction-fork-seal-kit

@maximilianlindner

5 жыл бұрын

@@leomolloy5067 Very interesting. Maybe it differs with batches and / or the product lines for different stanchion diameters. I need to research this closer :)

Jesus Seb where'd that growth come from lad!!! Good comparison and good to see the likes of Cane Creek, DVO and DT Swiss in there against the big boys, there are too many comparisons of RockShox X vs Foxs Y. People need to see there's way more options out there, If you have the pennies to spend of course.

@ftgoggi4715

5 жыл бұрын

Years ago Dt swiss bought out pace and rebranded as their own fork. I owned a pair of pace rc 40s and they spent more time being serviced than ridden. Pace, latterly dt swiss forks were right up there in price point so was not impressed at all with their constant failure. Maybe I should get over it but for this reason I would never consider a dt swiss fork. Never had a bad experience with fox so dont look anywhere else these days.

Most comprehensive fork test I've seen for ages. Thx.

I really appreciate the care that was taken in doing this comparison. It seems that a lot of effort was made to remove the effects of personal bias and setup errors as well as day-to-day variability of the rider. Anyone can do a review. Not everyone can do one correctly. Well done.

@bikeradar

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Seb worked really hard on the review and we're glad you found it useful. BikeRadar

Agreed. I upgraded my 2018 Yari's air spring to a Debonair one and it feels like I have a new fork. Much more supple and more supportive. The ultimate budget solution is to get a Yari Debonair and upgrade the damper so that you get a Yarik. Or Lyari? You'll even lose Yaris excess weight by dumping that 180 ml of oil inside the damper.

@sebstott3573

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. A Yari can always be upgraded to the Charger 2.0 or 2.1 damper and SKF seals when you can afford to and you have a Lyrik with Yari stickers.

@Woeters123

5 жыл бұрын

but the damper upgrade is quite expensive. buy an old yari, still plenty in stock for cheap and upgrade just to the debonair spring you have the best performance for the least money i think. if you upgrade the damper you might aswell get an lyrik, price difference is minimal

@RafaBezowski

5 жыл бұрын

Adding Vorsprung Luftkappe has made a big difference on my old Yari, before that I was not happy with it but after adding Luftkappe it has become acceptable fork. I suppose the new debonair spring has a similar effect.

@geekane9462

4 жыл бұрын

Even better upgrade albeit pricey. PUSH industries ACS3 coil spring and HC97 damper conversions. I’ve not done it yet but have parts ready (except for needing a Charger 2 damper). Can’t wait to try it. Rockshox has always been my go-to fork company. From the first Boxxer in 1998 to my first Lyrik in 2007 (?) they’ve proven to me to outperform all else

Very good review / test. Well thought out, very thorough details and just overall great insight to how the forks actually work. Well done.

Dude Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this test ! The information you provided is valuable and VERY useful . I am upgrading my forks and this is information that I can use . Thanks again and keep up the good work !

Fantastic review, Amazing job articulating the differences between the fork and putting into meaningful words!

Thanks for this, so much detail, so informative. Great work!

Such a hard work to compile all....months of work condensed into 19minutes! Kudos!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed the video!

Your hard work paid off!! Thank you Seb! You're an asset to the biking community. Nowhere else are you going to see this kind of comparison.

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Seb always puts a lot of work into these tests, so we're chuffed you find them useful!

@gustavbergstrom1502

5 жыл бұрын

He puts so much effort, every video with him he just prove how much time and thinking he must have done

What a great review. No wasted time. Extremely concise.

Great forkin review!! Very well done and appreciate the work that was done. So many choices so glad to see someone test them against each other.

The best presentation of the comparitive information I've seen. Makes the most sense. Thank you for putting this together.

@bikeradar

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and glad you found it useful!

thanks man, really appretiate all the effort you put in to make this video happen, super entertaining and helpfull!

Absolutely loved this review. I’m shopping for a fork and the detail you provided is really helpful. Thank you!!

One of the best "shootout" style reviews I've ever seen.. so much specific detail with regards to the rankings and great insight on how the different systems actually work. Thank You!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

So much work devoted to this test, I'm impressed. Great video!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Seb put a lot of effort into the test, so we're glad you found it useful!

Finally someone did this video, thanks lads.

I really appreciate the REASONING for the resulting opinions. Sharing that technical information as to WHY a certain fork acts a certain way has helped me understand how to differentiate between a fork's characteristic and a fork's adjustment. Thanks‼️ 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

Great, thorough review/comparison!

great job, very informative, I almost didn't watch because of length of time of video, but very glad I did, thank you

Kudos for doing such a detailed and relevant test

Always really good testing and explanations from Seb.

This has been the best fork review to date! Thank you!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Very good reviews. Thanks for the solid rundown.

Quite interesting that the two budget forks from the big guns still preform better then the super expensive boutique forks.

@JoshuaTootell

5 жыл бұрын

I liked my Yari. Doesn't even compare to my Ohlins though. But it is a coil and not a part of the test.

@piciu256

4 жыл бұрын

No, it's interesting that they are listed here as better, while in fact they are not, just shows that the test is very biased. The most money that way I suppose.

Great test Seb! Best forks comparison ever!...and I actually like all of your tests, it seems like you're really putting an effort to make the comparisons as objective as possible.

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Seb puts a lot of work into these videos, so it's great to hear you've found them useful.

Outstandingly comprehensive! Great job!

Started watching this and thought "better say good things about the diamond fork because I have one" XD

You guys do great tests and reviews ! Double thumbs up !

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Super test!! I like too much these comparisons also becouse you say all the negative part of the parts tested (in this case the forks) and is really what I want to hear from a group test, not only that are all good product and dipend on what use do you want to do of it. Ah, finally a good real test! Well done!! 👍👌

you present it in a way that I think I can feel the different forks while sitting on my desk - great vid!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and great to hear you found it useful!

@rider65

5 жыл бұрын

#mancrush ?

Wow, really impressed with the thoroughness of this comaprision/review - this is how it should be done imo.. Thanks!

Amazing test! Clearly A HUGE amount of work. Thank you!!

Really nice review, taking the time to switch out the fork on the same test bike on the same trail must have been tedious but really makes it a fair comparrison

Brilliant review! Thank you.

Amazing, detailed review - and yet understandable :) Thank you! Would love to get a review of shocks next. Bonus would be to mention which shock is recommended for the heavier rider.

Holy Molly. I'm just a beginner but this review is so insanely well done. Thanks!!

The uncluttered way Seb talks and describes things gives me an idea of how clear his thought process is. If that's any indication of how these forks were tested, then it would've been methodical and reliable - with as little of the subjective element remaining in the testing soup, which is a good thing. So refreshing to see a product test done meticulously but with only the right amount of words... without long winded introductions and mansplaining gibberish. I didn't sense any sponsorship politics bias either. More tests and product reviews from 'the Seb' please.

Great review. This is the most comprehensive suspension review I've seen, and I agree on the forks I've ridden. You were particularly spot-on with your review of the Fox 36 Grip 2. I can't seem to get it to use 100% of the travel (I haven't removed the stock volume spacer yet) on any of my rides. It feels super supportive in the mid-stroke, but the first bit of travel does feel very supple. For me, it's a great fork, but once in a while I do think they could have improved the deep-in-the-travel suppleness to suck up larger impacts with a little more gentle feel on the hands.

I really enjoyed this. I had the same thoughts with the Fox Grip2 and Lyrik when I rode them. Thanks for doing this. Look forward to more videos!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Seb, you make absolutely the most valuable tech reviews found, even today, almost a year post publication. Super detailed comparison and explanation of the nuances. I have a 2018 Fox Performance 34/150 e-mtb 51mm fork using (8cc blue VS same as in Fox 32) that I haven't been able to setup to my liking. It is the OEM spec for my Scott Genius XL. My fork feels mechanically stiff enough for my 230lbs. Binding doesn't appear to be the problem because at lower psi I can get full travel but it then lacks mid stroke support with excessive diving. Scott claims it to be lighter and comparable in stiffness to the normal 36/150. I'm now running it with 20% sag/120 psi (max recommended psi) and one Volume Spacer. Two VS and 105 psi makes it hard-spike, well before (never) bottoming. I'll try a few more changes of -5 psi then -10psi with one VS and eventually one VS /120psi readjusted with -5 or-10psi. If these changes fail me I will be off to a shop near me for a new or used 44mm offset Lyric 2.1 or 36 Performance Elite. The larger internal air volume of these forks is a tuning feature I can't compensate for with current fork even if I attempt cutting a VS in half. I could also adjust the travel on the new forks too, if 10mm more travel is in my future. I'd be happy to hear your comments. Thanks for the awesome tech reviews you continue produce.

Moral of the story. Upgrade the Yari with the 2.1 charger.

@abmvt

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I just did

@jerryx2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@abmvt and was it worth it? How heavy are you? My BIke shop told me its a waste of money if you are a light (80kg) rider.

@abmvt

3 жыл бұрын

@@jerryx2000 I’m 200 ish so can’t comment on the weight But I know people remove all the tokens and run it wide open ( perhaps lighter dudes ) I have 1 token and if it’s worth it for me yes ! 2 reasons I run long ( up to 45 non stop DH single tracks ) And the Yari gets a little harsh on long chattery and rock garden stuff . 2 I have a buddy in the bike Biz so I got the 2.1 damper and 2021 debonair installed for 300 And I payed 300 for the 2O20 Yari . So no brainer

This is by far the most detailed reviews and comparisons between branded forks.

Great review thanks.

Really great informative, descriptive in depth review. Deffo more in this format, top job👍🏼

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and good to hear you found the video useful. We have more in the pipeline, but as you'd expect these take a lot of time and effort, so keep your eyes on the channel. BikeRadar.

@eckythump6429

5 жыл бұрын

BikeRadar it is great to see a review which isn’t based on sales material and press release packs rushed out to be first for clicks & hits. The time taken to put this together was evident and a welcome change. Credit where credit is due.......

Yes been waiting for the Marzocchi to get some attention it deserved. And clear up my thoughts on other forks. How they compare

@Atomb

5 жыл бұрын

I have a Grip damper 36 and it's stellar.

@ross_rusher0243

5 жыл бұрын

@@Atomb I own a 2018 fox 36 factory with rc2. And a fit 4 2015 fox 36. They both perform pretty good

@chuckfinley3152

5 жыл бұрын

Hate to be cringe nostalgic guy but my 66sl ata was awesome

@ChuckBeefOG

5 жыл бұрын

Chuck Finley i have a bomber 66rc on my 2005 Kona Stinky lol. Marzocchi and Manitou were the biggest names in suspension in those days. I havent rode much in the last decade, stuff has sure changed.

@chuckfinley3152

5 жыл бұрын

Chuck Beef heck yea! ive been trying to find a stinky cheap to fool around with

Awesome test! A great job was done! Thx! 👍

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great info, glad I found this vid. Thanks!

Thanks for another, great test with scientific approach! I wish there were more than one testers and you had a timed enduro-esque segment where you confront the subjective feeling with the clock (e.g. in DH 29 bikes subjectively feel slower than 27.5, but the clock shows otherwise).

Just whacked a 2020 Lyrick on my 2018 transition patrol and it’s amazing, love it. Great review.

Yeah Seb! 2 months of testing - no shaving required! Thanks for doing this awesome review. Your characteristic delivery is great to listen to. Riding soon?

Seb your reviews are the goods! The info is detailed and well thought out. Camera work is excellent. Cheers for that. Wondering if you'd comment a bit about the peddling feel/efficiencies you experienced with these forks. Would that impact any "overall" opinions about the forks? Thank you.

Good, helpful, technical review.

Sooo good and informative - thanks!

Thanks for going thru all this effort dissecting the strenghth and weeknesses to this level. Excellent work, thoroughly enjoyed it. As a suggestion you could do more of the conclusions or applications, like if you are not that agressive this may work well for you also covering more riders. If you are a 50kg lady this might be best because this dosen't open any more. Still the best most comprehensive fork test I've seen.

What a great comprehensive review 👏

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Awesome Job! Very Very good video!

I have no clue about mountain biking (I prefer roadbiking) but I enjoyed your video and I could literally feel how passionate you are about testing the forks. Seems you have found the right job for you. Rock on!

My bike is equipped with the lyrik and your analogy is spot on accurate. Plush fork.

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Great to hear you enjoyed the test and good to hear you're enjoying the Lyrik fork!

Awesome test, thanks a lot!

Extremely well done test . Thank you for the very detailed reviews. I was looking into the CaneCreek Helm and not so much . I have a 2013 fox 36 . It doesn’t have that mid stroke support. It goes into it and sticks there . I need a fork that is supple in the corners and pushes out of the mid stroke on steep down hill compression and breaking. I feel as I’m always about to go over the bars.

@dimsoneill

5 жыл бұрын

Troy Phillips sounds like you need a proper setup and a service.

Incredibly well put together test. Must have have taken a lot of time & effort, well done guys

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Seb put A LOT of work into the test, so we're glad you found it useful.

Seb - you're one of the most analytical, succinct and honest tester/reviewer out there. There is a level of respect for nuance in products others don't have. Huge kudos 🤙.

Excellent test, thanks guys!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Awesome review Seb, very detailed but fully understandable for the average rider.

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Good to hear you found it useful!

I’m sure a lot of work went into this review, BIG Thanks BikeRadar!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

This guy has the best understanding and vocabulary of any suspension reviewer I've ever seen. More than that, he offers actual criticism of products, instead of just jerking off the bike industry.

My 2019 Lyrik has been great! I haven't had the pleasure of really comparing forks back to back on the same bike like this, of the bikes I have tried with various suspension, the Lyrik is my favorite feeling fork especially for the super techy- rocky rooty trails we have here in New England USA.

Very comprehensive review/comparison. Good video!

@bikeradar

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and glad you found the video useful! Do you own any of the forks on test? What has your experience been like with them?

@James-yy4vl

5 жыл бұрын

BikeRadar Not quite but almost, I have the fox 36 performance elite. I’ve been very impressed with it, never had a better performing fork over high speed chattery stuff, it just glides over it as though it’s not there. It’s had a tonne of abuse and has been very reliable. Saying that I haven’t tried any of the others in this test over any length of time and properly set up (have ridden the lyric on a demo day).

Great test! Agree about the fox 36 being a firmer fork in general. It's good to see a lot of the alternatives tested.

Really informative test, thanks! Would love to see this kind of comparison with cheaper forks.

really good review ..... we usually never see this kind of review. Good work Seb , more of the same please.

@bikeradar

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment and for watching! We are looking forward to more mega group test reviews in the future. Cheers, from all at BikeRadar!

Excellent reviews, really thorough and detailed enough to get into why they perform this way while still being informative for a casual crowd. I'm a huge tech nerd, so I'd love to see more suspension tests. Can you do one comparing the Rockshox Lyrik Charger 2 and RC2 models of fork? Are the regular RC Charger 2 dampers as good as the RC2 just without separate hi/lo compression settings? I don't think they sell the RC2 upgrade for the Lyrik yet, so getting a damper upgrade would mean a whole new fork for me.

This video is perfect!

Hi Seb, I love your reviews, and think this was a top tier review. With that said, I have to say that people shouldn't read too much into this because, as you alluded to, I feel that forks can be sensitive to rider weight and aggressiveness/style without custom valving/springs. What works really well for you, might not work so well for someone else. Also, I'm a bit unsure about placing the Marzocchi and Yari so highly but I'm probably biased because I have a DVO Diamond haha. I also feel like some of the differences you pointed out, particularly between the Lyrik and the 36, could have been tuned out by changing the setup of the fork, or at least made closer.

@sebstott3573

5 жыл бұрын

As you say, how the fork perrforms is highly affected by setup. But in this test i've tried to get the forks set up optimally for me, and then talk about how they compare. Obviously you could make a Lyrik perform worse than a MRP if you set it up badly, but I'm trying to judge the forks on their potential here.

The best review. Thank you.

Again, love the way you test and explain what and what not to like on the products. Thanks for all the work! :D I am running a Marzocchi 350CR 2016 and don't feel the same lack of support you mentioned on the Z1. But I tested a few 2018 Fox36ers and love their sensitive way of support on all kind of tracks. It made me fall that much in love with them, that I'm hoping to can afford one one day ;) But I'm really curious to test out the new Lyrik, as I haven't done so yet. Thanks again, cheers and ride on! ^^

That must have been a looooooong day! Kudos!

Great review, not surprised at the top two but very surprised at how the boutique “high end” forks scored so low!

Best review yet! I had a feeling rock shock and fox would come out on top. It's all I've ever used

Great comprehensive review

Well done and thorough..thanks

Bar has been set for fork shootouts! Excellent job!

@bikeradar

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and great to hear you found the video useful! BikeRadar

Thanks very informative now I know what best mtb fork to choose

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Amazing review! Greetings from the U.S.

Great test!

Been waiting so long for this! Great job Seb!

awesome and thorough review, im running a 2017 lyrik rct3 solo air fork and love it but i would love to be able to try the rc2 debonair or the new ultimate and see just what everyone is raving about! would like to see a DH version of this video if possible including the new boxxer and the formula nero r, so much awesome tech around at the moment

And im sitting here with my 2017 rockshox sektor silver