Very impressed that HTC is going to allow old stations/controllers with new headset. This is how tech companies should be run. Thanks for not being so greedy, HTC. And thanks for picking a great manufacturer, Valve.

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

Priderice Rice not entirely sure what point you're trying to make. I'm applauding them for not making me pay a "premium" price again for what is ultimately an update to 1/3rd of the Vive platform.

@NegraLi34

6 жыл бұрын

they are at "adoption" stage, they can't afford to be greedy. companies like Apple can

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

Let's hope they remain that way. I trust Valve more than I trust HTC, so I hope they continue to have a strong hold over quality control in terms of both the device and the ethics behind pricing and marketing.

@ZettabyteGamer

6 жыл бұрын

HTC didn't do anything, the light house stations and controllers were designed by Valve, and Valve made them work with the old not HTC.

@MiriadCalibrumAstar

6 жыл бұрын

i reeaded that valve isnt more with htc, i think they get out of the car

It's not a particularly innovative upgrade but new owners will enjoy the step up in resolution and old owners won't feel too left out. I think HTC made a good move this year.

@emilklingberg1623

6 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely upgrading as soon as it gets available, the higher res was already better on the WMR which had some really bad lenses, and here they have improved the lenses as well, i'm pretty sold

@cookiesontoast9981

6 жыл бұрын

SDG Danny The main things that were stopping me from wanting to get a Vive was the incredibly low resolution and the wires hanging around your feet, the low resolution I know will just hurt my eyes especially since it's so close and the wires I was worried that when my young siblings play on it they will constantly trip over it and potentially damage it, so these upgrades are great for me!, once it's released I will save up and get one.

@NekoOkto

6 жыл бұрын

They are going to make an HMD only option for current owners to upgrade without buying the whole kit.

@NekoOkto

6 жыл бұрын

MechaMinilla99 The biggest problem is that the display is just an LED display in the original. The Vive Pro is getting an AMOLED display. That's probably the biggest reason I'll upgrade from my current one. Also, the Wireless Unit will be sold separately, probably for 200+ USD extra

@thecoyotespeaks9649

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Smart move. Need gen 2 :). Hope fov improves too.

HTC is the king of VR

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

6 жыл бұрын

HTC doesn't sell the most and the tech is Valve's which is open for all to use... I'd say Valve VR is the king if you are talking mainstream performance. There are far better headsets out there if you are not talking mainstream prices and PSVR has sold 4 times as many as Vive if you go by sales.

Great info video! Thank you!

Dang all these hands on vids are just repeating what HTC announced. Can't wait for tested's hand on impressions

@psychedalek

6 жыл бұрын

hah! exactly my comment above! id like to know if this is accurate. www.gamecrate.com/hands-on-vive-pro-and-wireless-adaptor-impressions-ces-2018/17817

@reznoire

6 жыл бұрын

Tested isn't at CES. Gonna be a while to hear their impressions.

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

They almost certainly have a NDA slapped on this guy. We'll get more soon.

@justinbaker2883

6 жыл бұрын

reznoire Nooooooo why aren't they! Thanks reznoire I kept checking their channel, I will stop doing that for right now

@gaspererjavec7108

6 жыл бұрын

same here, waiting for a legit overview from tested

I love how the egg spaceship shows VR has just born and now taking its time to break the shell. Slowly but steadily !

I just bought a TPCast and now HTC announces this. I feel like I'm forever playing catch-up in the technology market. Damn you technology!!!!

Can't wait to get one. First quarter production might be limited so I may pre-order something for once. lol

I got an HTC Vive and an oculus rift side by side a little while ago and it didn’t take a lot of thought to make an easy decision to return the vive, it was more expensive, heavier, and the controllers are unintuitive garbage. However, I am very interested in this and I’d like to see how oculus competes with it with their releases. I play a lot of elite dangerous so resolution will be super nice.

I literally just bought one like 2 weeks ago. I knew I should’ve waited

Hey guys! I was gonna get a original ViVe, I tried it at the reveal they had here at Phoenix, and a ton of times when my brother purchased his own. I loved it, and still do! I was going to get a ViVe after my next 2 pay checks (so about 4 weeks.) Should I wait for the Pro? Or just go ahead and continue with the original?

Looks much better than the original! Might switch for the next gen.

i want to ask whether the size of vive pro controller has been changed? i just bought a controller holder for my vive and i am wondering it will fit for my new vive pro

Great viideo

I want to know how the new light house and controllers are like, compared to old. Should I stick to old gear with a new headset, or go full new kit?

i really hope those headphones are fully removable, i hate on ear headphones, and i have fairly high end proper headphones id much rather use than the cheap ones included

@HybridEnergy

6 жыл бұрын

Headphones are removable. The screws are behind the inside of the strap foam. They wouldn't make them a permanent attachment when they themselves would like an easy way to fix them during refurbishing or sent in units with failures.

Thanks for the specs and resolution inside of HTC Vive Pro 2880 x 1200 is amazing. hopefully Vive Pro2 will have at least 4k, 3840 x 2160. This would be like having an ideal visual quality better than my HTC M9+ QHD, 2160 x 1440 ( 565 ppi) in my vr headset. I hope to see high quality 4k content like KZread 360 in 4k just to experience virtual teleportation to travel around the world n better VR simulation, hopefully in the next few years.

Why is everyone who talks about this completely ignoring the Augmented Reality possibilties of the two cameras? Is there any plans with that yet? This is all thats interesting me about it right now.

If the controllers are 130 each, and the base stations 135 each, Link box and cables 75. Assuming we can upgrade our old vive by buying the headset alone. Does that mean wed only be paying like 150 ish to upgrade the headset?

Can someone tell me if in term of visuals, the only downside is resolution with VR headsets ? What I want to know is if we get all the graphical options from a game a part from the locked resolution or do we loose a lot of the high graphic options ?

Running a 1080Ti @ 1.6-1.8 SS now, what kind of SS could we expect with the upgraded resolution?

Time to save for this

The headset has a nice design, but you can get that buy buying the current gen deluxe audio strap. Even the wireless module will be available for both, ultimately the main difference is the resolution and I'll have to wait to see some image comparisons before saying it would be worth it, but right now it feels like something for new adopters, rather than people wishing to upgrade. I imagine if you want to sell your current headset - do it now, as prices are about to dip. Also their mention of 'premium' vr uses concerns me, I wonder what the dollar impact of this will be.

is there any improvement on field of view

Do you think the HTC Vive that's at $600 will go down in price this month or maybe even in February? I'm almost about to buy an Oculus Rift, but I'd prefer the HTC Vive for around the same cost.

@driftingbrandonc.6480

6 жыл бұрын

MrSocioparty I went ahead and bought the oculus rift today.

I'm hyped for the Vive Pro! BTW. Does anybody know the keyboard model at 0:11 ? I'm looking for something frameless/almost-frameless like that.

@TheBrothersCompound

6 жыл бұрын

I'm looking to find that keyboard too. Check the Drevo Excalibur on amazon it's not the one from the video but it's frameless.

But is the FOV wider than before? or is it the same?

are the headphones removeable? i want to use my own

Is the Vive Pro glasses friendly?

How many it`ll cost and what the specs needed?

Beware of trainers if you play wirelessly, you might be mistaken for a Heracross

where's buy?

If it ain't coming out with the Knuckles then that's a no deal right there especially if the price raises from the current Vive instead if the old one lowering

just wondering, might the navy blue have really been all the blue lights in the booth? Edit : wait, no, I see it now.

if u have a beefy video card and running games in supersampling 2.0 would it be the same as playing on vive pro at like 1.0?

@BuxtonsWater

6 жыл бұрын

1.7ss is equal to the resolution of the vive pro. SDE doesn't change though.

@G4M3RGU1D3

6 жыл бұрын

running 1.7 is actually heavy on not top of the line cards... plus 1.7 is going to be a bit laggy with fallout 4 VR on those mentionned cards. Personnally I got used to the screen door effect it doesnt bother me much.

When is the headset released?

Whats the price tag going to look like?

The cameras at the front should be able to give a little screen at the bottom of the play field to show the outside world so you can see around you instead of bumping in to everything

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

6 жыл бұрын

Vive already does a grid that fades in when you are getting close to the edge of your play area and there is a button you can hold in to see what the front-facing camera sees.

Whats up with the knuckles controllers though, any word on them?

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

Dude! That's what I wanna know too.

@benmakarechian8246

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah forgot all about the knuckles

@MrSerpDerp

6 жыл бұрын

Ugandian knuckles? ;)

@Picklesaregreen101

6 жыл бұрын

Valve is actually making those, not HTC, so that's probably why they weren't shown.

@seancostello8631

6 жыл бұрын

dey need to sho us de wey

Call me back when those VR headsets are indistinguishable from reality.

@MrAoldham

6 жыл бұрын

you mean like monitors are.....idiot!

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

6 жыл бұрын

We will be connecting to nerve signals instead of using headsets before we get to that level of graphic performance. Thing is, we are not going to be able to keep scaling down electronics much longer so the limiting factor of rendering power will be size and power usage rather than time to innovate. Graphics in films that are rendered on giant server farms still do not look indistinguishable from reality and they can take seconds to hours per frame where VR needs 90+ frames per second... In other words, we are likely to never have that kind of graphics in real time and why is it important anyways? The VR games that are the most immersive are the ones that do scale and lighting and interaction the best. Photorealism is not the thing that fools your instinctual body systems into feeling like there are actual objects around / near you.

Where comes the electricity with the wireless thing attached? I don't remember VR headset having a battery?

@BuxtonsWater

6 жыл бұрын

Battery in pocket and or the wireless module.

with the blue it looks like something from the 90s

No cost yet?

Can I use my own headphones?

This is a nice res boost, 4K would of been to much for current hardware imo. We still have supersampling.

ehhh i dont see much of a upgrade to be honest. (current vive owner) i already have a delux headset. i dont use the front camers. i have a wireless setup (TPCAST). i dont need upgraded resolution the current is just fine.

@GoBIGclan

6 жыл бұрын

what do you do with it that the current resolution suffices? Im playing racing and flight sims as well as fallout 4. I could always use better resolution in those.

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, I have the original Vive and I'm happy with it. I'm guessing this is more of a "1.5" update that appeals to people that didn't quite want to throw down the $ for the original.

When the crap will they switch to USB-C on the headset? Even if the cable splits to HDMI+power+USB on the computer end for now, having it as USB-C on the headset makes ridiculous amounts of sense. One plug on the headset end, single relatively thin cable going most of the way to the computer; and if you use a USB-C-video / Thunderbolt 3-equipped computer, you can do one cable the whole way. I'm glad the Pro will have optional "wireless", but it still needs power - so why not use the one cable you're going to have anyway for everything?

@AnonymousFreakYT

6 жыл бұрын

EVOLICIOUS No, it isn’t. USB-C can run USB data, up to 100W of power, and DisplayPort all at the same time. It’s how USB-C docks for laptops work.

@AnonymousFreakYT

6 жыл бұрын

www.amazon.com/dp/B073X4V5FF?ref=emc_b_5_t - TWO 4K/60 displays, (or three 1080p displays, or one 5K/60 display,) USB data, 60W power, plus Ethernet (although the Ethernet is probably just a USB device on an internal USB hub,) over one USB-C port to the computer.

@iliketurtles7947

6 жыл бұрын

Connections: USB-C 3.0, DP 1.2, Bluetooth (this is from the vive pro page on htc website, scroll to bottom of page for specs www.vive.com/us/product/vive-pro/

@AnonymousFreakYT

6 жыл бұрын

Ah! Some sense! I wonder why in the demo they were using DP rather than USB-C? I've also seen other demo videos of it now, it does indeed look like they resolved most of the issues. Still strange that they weren't demoing it with the "most freedom" arrangement.

I want one....

Wake me up when we get 4k, high refreshrate VR.

anyone know what keyboard that is? 0:53

This guy never used the deluxe audio strap

The lab 2?

Price?

@VibeSensational

6 жыл бұрын

SebZ This needs an answer.

@LordSebz

6 жыл бұрын

Vibe Sensational for real!

@sammchargue8835

6 жыл бұрын

mabye because they are going to bring the price of the original down and don't want people to stop buying it

@efabiano82

6 жыл бұрын

People that are buying this tech don't care. As long as it's under $1000 for the headset alone, I'm cool.

@IrishRumjob

6 жыл бұрын

If I were a betting man, I would expect the price of the current model to drop and this new model take its place, give or take $50 - $100.

So the VIVE itself gets upgraded, and Oculus is going with a stand alone headset this year. I see the stand alone Oculus Go getting more everyday people into VR, but the VIVE Pro being the new heavyweight hardware champ of dedicated PC gamers Edit: and *STILL* cheaper than a $1000 gaming monitor

So, the wireless thingy is coming with the box or what?! Is this's even a wireless? 0_o

still waiting for Pimax 8k bundle

Price ....?

Was there an increased FOV?

@BuxtonsWater

6 жыл бұрын

Nope

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

6 жыл бұрын

Slightly. 110 now, 100 then (horizontal FOV that is).

@BuxtonsWater

6 жыл бұрын

It's 110 on old and new.

The HTC VIVE PRO has a design like the PS VR .

Have the pixel size reduced? Yes higher res but how much better is it. The pixel visual and blurryness is the biggest killer of VR for me.

@HybridEnergy

6 жыл бұрын

If you take the numbers alone then the improvement is drastic, considering that now you can still super sample on top of 2880x 1600. You can most likely read easily and have to try to see the SDE rather than try not to see the SDE lol

Built in headphones are bad - at least there should be option to remove them.

@RokuX51

6 жыл бұрын

Kuldar Leement you can on the oculus, I’m sure you can here to.

@Sea2TC

6 жыл бұрын

They look rotatable atleast. Probably swing them to the back of the headset, and pop in some wireless buds....which I like...

@TheSpartan2189

6 жыл бұрын

They can be removed. I forgot where I read it, but they said they wouldn't just pop off. You'd have to unscrew them, but it is possible

@dumbeau

6 жыл бұрын

Just confirming Jonathon. kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6eiya2NhaaoYag.htmlm52s

Yeah, but what does Adi Robertson think of it?

but... does it show me de wey?

@SirFlibbertyJibbit

6 жыл бұрын

Ren Ashbell you will kno de wey wit dis bruda

@christoph4024

6 жыл бұрын

Bruddahs, I hop this will sho us da wey. But do u hav eebola? U need to hav eebola to kno da wey

@reydonbuzly761

6 жыл бұрын

bruddah help me i do not kno de wey

Looks even bulkier than the original headset.

heich tee see

@Blockistium

6 жыл бұрын

okay but how else are you supposed to even say it

@RishabhSharma-lq1id

6 жыл бұрын

Blockistic "H" "T" "C"

@markmartin9096

6 жыл бұрын

*H A I T C H TEE SEA*

@levibirdway1892

6 жыл бұрын

in AUS they pronounce "H" as "HEYTCH" rather than "AYETCH"(?) and "Z" as "Zedd" instead of "ZEE"

0:37 oh, Lens-Resolution so that's a thing now?! Huh

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, yes. Lenses need to have the correct FoV to display high enough resolutions clearly. I see you did your research. You're really smart.

@ir0nm8n

6 жыл бұрын

Sir Beric Dondarrion, Mofuckin' Lightning Lord well the FOV has NOTHING to do with "how clearly the resolutions can be displayed". It's more like how wide the given pixels are stretched around your field of view... Thanks for your nice comment though 😂

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Knirsch clearly you've never seen Paul Blart: Mall Cop or else you'd realize you have no idea what you're talking about.

Fak imma need this

There actually is noise cancelling built in.....

The improvement in resolution is no where near enough

And FoV is... the same?

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

6 жыл бұрын

Horizontal fov is 110 up from 100, so a slight difference.

@BuxtonsWater

6 жыл бұрын

It's always been 110.

google cardboard guys where are you ?

the design of these units are way too bulky and covers your nose (unless you have a super large head), which sucks... FOV is also currently bad, and it needs to be way better, mostly horizontal but its overall just too tiny to be fully immersive..

My biggest Problem with the Vive is that i am sweating so much very quick!

Very Nice, Pewds 2018

Oculus is foolish for not doing the same!

no actual mention of any changes to the fresnel lenses? there are other hands on reviews already that state there have been big changes here, and it would have been nice for you to corroborate this. a shame to waste your hands on access. otherwise, thanks for reading out the spec sheet for those who are otherwise sight impaired.

How does it compare to Samsung Odyssey?

@MeccVR

6 жыл бұрын

I would like to know that aswell since i just bought the Odyssey ( before hearing this )

@littlemaxima4778

6 жыл бұрын

I've tried the Odyssey. I like it a lot!

@MeccVR

6 жыл бұрын

i have never owned another vr headset other than the odyssey so i can't compare them i do wonder how other gadgets will fit into the windows mixed reality network seeing how much stuff is out there for the vive already ( including suits!!! )

@littlemaxima4778

6 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about the suits. Most people don't use the accessories. You aren't missing out on much. If I had to buy a headset today, I'd buy the Samsung. You can play all the Vive games on Steam with your Samsung. Just install 'Mixed Reality' app on Steam.

@MeccVR

6 жыл бұрын

i have it already that's why i am still happy with the samsung ( plus you get access to microsofts store (maybe halo at some point? ) )and the suits are interesting i looked at the tesla suit and the hardlight vr suit they both seem promising but again not close to ready... ( just like the pimax 8k ) i am just happy that vr got quite the boost

Looks promising but will likely still be way to expensive.

0:36 "resolution of the lenses"

Does it have built in mic for VRChat?

@Shadowyesville

6 жыл бұрын

Alec BlueTigerNinja it had a dual Mic setup

@22Tech

6 жыл бұрын

DO YOU KNO DE WAY

@Macrackle

6 жыл бұрын

The original vive has one

"Heitch tee see"

I just bought the older model...

Hope it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

I'm a little bit afraid to know the price :D

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

6 жыл бұрын

Probably the old one will get a lower price and the new one will take the old one's price. The Vive is already way more expensive than the Oculus with touch which is a comparable experience.

H8TC vibe is all I hear lol

Lol that WiFi adapter looks hilarious but I don’t care cuz wireless will be awesome!

What sort of GPU will you need to run at those resolutions at 30fps+ ?

@maxse6221

6 жыл бұрын

smefour You need to run this at 90hz+ to have a pleasent experience. Its diffrent then a normal display.

@smefour

6 жыл бұрын

Ok that's pretty high, what GPU do you think would run this VR experience in 2880x1600 @ 90fps? I'm thinking a 1080ti with high assets (I have a 1070 myself)

@maxse6221

6 жыл бұрын

smefour The games are optimized to work with the 970 and above. You’re fine with a gtx1070.

Are they only going to sell the HTC Vive Pro Headset? What about the bases, controllers and everything else? I can't just buy the headset alone and have no controllers and nothing. Nor am I going to buy the Vive Pro then buy a Vive just because I need the controllers and bases, that'd be nearing 1000 dollars.

@BuxtonsWater

6 жыл бұрын

The HMD alone comes out Q1 this year, the refreshed controllers, HMD and new basestation package comes out in Q3 this year.

So, it just matches the Samsung Odyssey ($500) at resolution and is probably going to more expensive.

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

Tobi Ogunsanwo the two are so different from each other than I don't know how or why you'd compare them. The Vive is a full gaming platform. Controllers, base stations, room scale VR, very well made and constantly updated software.. the list goes on. Buy the Odyssey for very casual games or watching media. Anyone who spends money on it as a gaming platform has wasted their money considering another hundred bucks would buy them the Vive. There's literally 0 competition in regards to gaming. No question.

@geforce5591

6 жыл бұрын

I'm mainly into sim racing and the odyssey is touted as the best on all sim racing forums by a mile. The Vive pro just matches it in terms of the specs that matter to me.

@PaddysPubPatron

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Sim Racing fan or otherwise, Vive can now (or will soon be able to ) produce a better playing experience. Every racing/driving related game I've played has been a blast on the Vive. I can put the key in the ignition, use stick shift, steer the wheel with both hands, roll down the window - the list goes on and on. If you prefer the Odyssey, great, but it's pathetic compared to the Vive. If not in design, then in software. If not in software and design, then in the quantity and quality of updates to the device. If not in software, design and updates, then in the marketplace, where the Vive has more games available to it than any other headset combined, except for maybe the Oculus which still only has half as many games available as the Vive. Also, the Vive doesn't restrict you to any marketplace. I can find home-made VR games anywhere and play them without a single bit of setup or workaround.

@HybridEnergy

6 жыл бұрын

Yea but so what when it can't track your hands behind you. Just because YOU play ONLY sim racing doesn't mean the rest of us don't play other games. I play sim racing plus other games. So it sounds like a personal issue. I'd rather get the head set that does everything well than one thing.

As much as i would love the see the Pro selling at the current price of the original Vive, i bet the Pro will cost 100-200 more then the original Vive, while the original one will stay at the same price :/

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

6 жыл бұрын

Oculus with touch is too much cheaper than the Vive right now. They need to lower the price on the old one. I'd go with Oculus for the touch controllers and the slightly better optics and ergonomics even if they were the same price.

I think this is a panic reaction to the "Pimax 8K". Only 2.3MP, the first Vive has 1.3MP. And the 8K has 3.7MP at real UHD display resolution of 8,3MP (3840x2160) at a fov of 200°. This Vive Pro has the same fov of 100°. Hmm, this is realy not the "next generation" VIVE, this is a fast bulided "panic product". And my suggestion to pimax, use the chance to sell the pimax Lighthouse 2 bases at the same time HTC offer the Vive Pro without base stations! Pimax could also profit from the Valve Pro :-) .

I would never put on a VR headset at CES.

@minh8080

6 жыл бұрын

Eye herpes is a thing.

wait for the pimax , fov is everything to me.

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

6 жыл бұрын

More FOV brings more sensitivity to the poisoning response when what you see doesn't match what your body senses is actually happening. But it can be awesome I'd imagine.

Hmmm maybe gen 3 will be a big difference If you already have gen 1 I don't think you should buy this. just saying 😐

Sooooo can I trade my old one in for discount??😂😂😂🤔🤔 wait.....im serious. 😁

@thatoff-roaddude9515

6 жыл бұрын

MrSocioparty right 😂😂

@HybridEnergy

6 жыл бұрын

No, HTC doesn't want your funky smelling old head set. lol

@thatoff-roaddude9515

6 жыл бұрын

HybridEnergy lol right ...well Craigslist will😆😂

Low lay ten sea hon mai haych tea see vive

Really, you found it important to tell people that it is blue?

The pro looks great, but when will they release this?... kzread.info/dash/bejne/iaJ_xaaQebXae8o.html Note: 10:44-11:07. I am sure the tech exists in top secret.

I hope to see some real hands-on videos soon and not blank advertisement.

haische teezee?