It’s impossible to make everyone happy. Once it’s up and running, everyone will be saying…..why didn’t we have this thirty years ago.

@CRIMSONANT1

2 жыл бұрын

If its ever "up & running" (scheduled for 2040 at a cost of over £200 billion), everyone in their right mind will be saying why on EARTH did we waste so much money on a monstrous vanity project that benefits so few & was an environmental disaster from start to finish.

@Calmdown1354

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, we are well behind most the rest of the developed world, who have long had a decent high speed rail network!

@pedromorgan99

Жыл бұрын

A welsh a roadie < 2000 and toured japan extensively.. all travel by bullet train and fast.. city center to city center, and a short "bus ride" to hotel. Felt real embarassing kinda, travelling with japanese friends in clanky InterCity.125 to Swansea for holiday.

@Calmdown1354

Жыл бұрын

@Peter 'mash' Morgan Definitely!! I have also been lucky enough to visit Japan, and ride around on the Bullet train for a few weeks. Shocking when you realise how long Tokyo to Hiroshima would take in the UK. 8 hours, 4 changes, swap to a bus for a few stops, and hope there are no strikes! HS2 is essential! Now if only we could adopt the Washlet as well!

@pedromorgan99

Жыл бұрын

@@Calmdown1354 an olde friend who visited japan recently said.. "their second class is way better than our first class, and cheaper". ..cries... I do miss the heated toilet seats and the integrated toiletrool/holder/radio.. and the decorative manholes. When u got back to UK did.... u notice litter everywhere ??? (did u get angry/frustrated)

I think it is a very well-done project. Amidst all of the negative news, this is one point of light that shows the UK is still capable of great things.

@lg5819

9 ай бұрын

It’s not the only thing, the U.K. has always been capable of big technological achievements but the enemy of the state is excessive government bureaucracy and lack of funding and a negative, misinformed bias mainstream media that keeps plugging the same narrative that the U.K. isn’t able to build mega projects like the Japanese or the Chinese. Just look how many Chinese and Indian students and other foreign students flock to U.K. universities to study engineering, at world class universities like imperial college London, Oxford and Cambridge and many more. I digress we are a science superpower held back by an incompetent government, instead of allowing our great engineers to get on with the job. Rolls Royce too want to build small modular reactors in the U.K., they too are ahead of the field but the government once again is hesitating and putting out a tender for foreign firms like GE hitachi to build it instead which means the U.K. will never be energy independent. Without owning our own energy the U.K. cannot manufacture anything without it being too expensive.

@scj00380

9 ай бұрын

I think you've spelt 'great' incorrectly. It should be 'grate'.

@tomhoworth1685

7 ай бұрын

Sadly only half of good things. We might be good at engineering, but we're not good at electing politicians with long term vision!

@peterwilliamallen1063

5 ай бұрын

@@scj00380 No Great, a grate is what you put things in to burn

@scj00380

5 ай бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 I was being facetious.

I can understand both the arguments for and against HS2, but the way I see it if it has to be done then it must be done IN FULL; without cutbacks and 'economising', no scrapping of important sections or 'maybe we'll terminate outside central London at a station that can't handle the traffic', or it'll REALLY end up being a white elephant. Fund it fully or don't build it at all.

@tijs1886

Жыл бұрын

Your absolutely right, and get a good project manager (Spain is renouned for the fact that they build nearly all their high speed lines within budget)

@henreereemanmini3973

11 ай бұрын

@@tijs1886 yes, Spain and South Korea are very good at cutting back costs, shame in Britain we really aren't!

@oorya1780

9 ай бұрын

Too late, the section to Leeds has been cancelled and it isn't going to Euston station either. As someone who lives on the East Coast, without a direct link to London and even just lucky if there is a train running to anywhere as Transpennine Express are frigging hopeless, it is extremely irritating that we are all paying our income tax towards it but getting zero benefit. In fact there was a discussion on our local radio a couple of years ago and a keen supporter of HS2 was being interviewed and he was specifically asked what benefit will there be to areas such as Lincolnshire and he had to say none apart from some mythical benefit to the UK as a whole via some hopefull economic improvement but would only be likely in decades time when most of us who are paying for it will likely be dead.

@RockyRacoon66

7 ай бұрын

Let’s not have it at all then

Euston we have a problem 😂

Did this used to be on the official HS2 channel? I can't find it now, thanks for rehosting

Thank Arup for the most expensive horror movie of all time.😮

Still astounds me that Birmingham gets a turn back station with a manky viaduct through the city and London gets a tunnel for miles and miles, both Birmingham and Manchester should have had underground tunnels channeled through them than these silly above ground turn backs …..!

@cameronallan5624

2 жыл бұрын

Fully Fully agree. Cost cutting at its finest. and ruining the project in the process.

@jammin023

2 жыл бұрын

It makes more sense if they never actually intended to go north of Birmingham... if the point is actually to turn Birmingham into a commuter suburb of London.

@davecooper3238

Жыл бұрын

I believed that it’s down to :- Leaving Euston it’ use tunnels or demolish many buildings. The Birmingham end has existing right of way land. No need to spend money tunnelling or demolish loads of buildings. On a personal note. I prefer to travel overground rather than in a tunnel.

@explorer47422

Жыл бұрын

Well it needed a transfer station preferably outside the centre for the NEC and airport anyway as it makes no sense for people to travel into the centre only to have to travel back out of it again. London will have the Elizabeth lines for high speed connections to other transport links instead.

@davecooper3238

Жыл бұрын

@@explorer47422 I agree. That is possibly why a station is going in to do that job.

The problem is this goes through Tory seats and the local Tory nimbys who don’t want any development have increased the costs massively.

Don't understand all the hate and opposition for HS2. Think it's a great and needed railway that should've been built decades ago... How is it other european countries and the likes of china are way ahead of us on high speed rail and we the UK, a powerful country like us have next to none except for the eurostar?? The west and east coast main lines are mad busy and we need alternatives! 😊

@raymondo162

2 жыл бұрын

meh. for example: france. it's large, less dansely populated by loads - so trains work there

@warrengrant2992

2 жыл бұрын

@@raymondo162 Nahhh poor excuse tbh so what? Yes we are smaller but still big enough and rich enough and surely SMART enough to work around this like we are! Future generations will thank us for it I'm sure. We can't underestimate how important this could end up being!

@DrJams

Жыл бұрын

Well it's nice but it's super expensive.

@warrengrant2992

Жыл бұрын

@DrJams What big and important project over the years hasn't been super expensive though? I don't think it's just something "nice" because if it was no way would they cough up for it. They clearly see the importance of it for the future.

@catherineoconnell3213

Жыл бұрын

WEF - UN AGENDA21/30 DAVOS not green - not eco - not needed - ask me why? 28/09/2022

Looks well this

5:00 snd here's where your beautiful new commuter home is going to be built.

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If you are coming from coventry its called the birmingham road, otherwise you would never get anywhere.

I can't wait for hs2

@michaelward2082

9 ай бұрын

it will be cancelled

I didn't know, before watching this great video, just how much of the Chilterns "AONB" was merely farmland! All that money spent tunnelling under fields! Madness. Political meddling which has led to the overspend and cancelling of the most important bit to Manchester!

I see the lower section has a fair ammount of tunnels, where as anywhrre round birmingham the attitude seems to be "sod it!"

@mjrc123

2 ай бұрын

Land prices are massively higher in London and the South East than the midlands. However, I’d like to see a cost analysis of tunnels vs compulsory land purchase (and affected property compensation scheme) where tunnelling was / is being completed. I think politics may have been at least as significant an issue as price…

@barrypickles6546

2 ай бұрын

@@mjrc123 no they are not, land prices are most expensive in east Anglia.

@mjrc123

2 ай бұрын

@@barrypickles6546 I’m not sure what your point is. HS2 does not run through East Anglia. And the cost implication will be much less to do with agricultural land prices, and much more to do with house prices. The compulsory purchase of homes in outer London and the Home Counties at market rate is massively higher than the equivalent homes in outer Birmingham and the Midlands.

@barrypickles6546

2 ай бұрын

@@mjrc123 they are mostly runnung it through farmland. Farmland is most expensive in Anglia sue to it's productivity and climate. The type of land in-between Birmingham and London is largely similar, medium grade arable/good pasture.

Very interesting, but would have expected this going north FROM London because it's not a London-centric project at all is it?

@iman2341

3 жыл бұрын

The center of the network is Birmingham.....

@peterwilliamallen1063

2 жыл бұрын

It is being built from both ends.

@davecooper3238

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 Yes. Plenty of work going on over the whole length.

@user-gj5yy6rk2q

6 ай бұрын

it was meant to link Birmingham to London. and Birmingham to Manchester

@peterwilliamallen1063

5 ай бұрын

HS2 is not a London-centri project, for a start the HQ of HS2 ltd is in Snow Hill, Birmingham s will the main maintainance depot for HS2 trains be in Washwood Heath, Birmingham

Does anyone know the software used to create this.... kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4iHrqyDZKnan7Q.html&feature=emb_logo its similar to the one in this video

@RockyRacoon66

7 ай бұрын

No but I bet it is very very expensive

Don't you mean 'London and.....erm....' ?

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A lot of balancing ponds. What's the purpose?

shame that massive stations are being built just for them to hardly be used

@peterwilliamallen1063

8 ай бұрын

They will be used a lot when HS2 opens

Suceess depends on the actions or steps you take to achieve it. Show me a man with no investment and I'll tell you how long it takes to fail. The investment creates a safe haven for the future. With the right investment choi noce that has at least a minimum risk of 2% and with expert advice, both profits and interest are 100% guaranteed.

All the money earmarked for a northern project is used by a near London project. Well there's a surprise. It's like it could have been planned that way?

@peterwilliamallen1063

8 ай бұрын

It is not a near London Project as most of the HS2 work is centered on Birmingham.

@tomchitling

8 ай бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 Britain is 600miles long, Birmingham is 100miles from london. That is near to any one outside the south east. Plus the some of the worst costs are tunnels and viaducts nearer London. Plus the upgrade to Euston will undoubtedly be built eventually, dispite whatever smoke and mirrors are used to fund it.

@peterwilliamallen1063

8 ай бұрын

@@tomchitling The length of the UK is 7943 miles long mate, not 600 miles.

At how many billion cost to the tax payer, let alone to the environment so some bugger can get to London a little faster, most of it can be done via the internet as COVID proved.

@precariousworlds3029

9 ай бұрын

It's not about speed, it's about freeing up capacity on our existing lines for more freight, more efficient and quicker services with less delays, more express and local rail services that are more environmentally friendly. The alternative is continuing to let our Victorian rail system be inefficient and broken, forcing more car journeys and motorway congestion/pollution. Britain needs to catch up with the rest of the world and build 21st century infrastructure for an expanding 21st century economy.

@henryvagincourt4502

9 ай бұрын

@@precariousworlds3029 It's taking the Highways Agency three years to replace a bridge not far from me, a bridge they built in the late 80s, if you want to level up invest in the "shite" roads we have and build bypasses needed, for you will not move people away from cars.

It is typical of modern Britain. The London to Birmingham HS2 will be slower to get to central London than existing lines and you will have to change trains. But never mind, London is a dump anyway.

As for the comment about 30 years ago. By the time it is built, it will be 30 years out of date.

@precariousworlds3029

9 ай бұрын

Most of our railways were built in the 1850s. Think of how far maintenance and repair for infrastructure has come since then.

32 miles of tunnels, vanity bridges and poor project management, are the reason HS2 is way over budget. H2S is now half a job. 20 million in the North have been denied investment.

It's cheaper than covid

@RockyRacoon66

7 ай бұрын

Not from a environmental perspective!

If you take inflation this railway cost no more than many Moterways

@RockyRacoon66

7 ай бұрын

What? That is absolute rubbish

I suppose its interesting to see where our billions are being spent, isnt it ?

The whole London side looks disjointed

@btudrus

Жыл бұрын

Tunnels under exiting railway-lines, OMG...

Lol

What do you expect? It isn’t being constructed as a nice new way of travelling cheaply and quickly in between the two cities. It (if it travels at top speed) will get you to your destination around ten minutes ahead of the express Pandelino service, which is at peak times about the time taken to shuffle down from the end of platform and through the ticket barriers.

@tomkemp9465

Жыл бұрын

It goes a few minutes more quickly between stations miles from the actual start and finish points of any journey. Completely pointless

@idot3331

Жыл бұрын

The primary purpose of HS2 is to increase capacity of the rail network. HS2 will have much higher capacity than the existing lines, and existing lines can be freed up for more frequent local services which are desperately lacking across much of the country. Currently, the rail network is horribly congested due to high speed trains running on the same lines as slower local services, limiting frequency and reliability. A single failure causes the whole system to back up, making the network clunky and unreliable. A separate high speed line solves this problem. The UK needs higher rail capacity and reliability a lot more than it needs higher speed, but HS2 will also provide much quicker services beyond Birmingham once the second leg and a potential HS3 is completed.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but it will get to London 40 mins faster than the Pendolino train, as both HS2 and the WCML are to be operated by Avanti West Coast there will not at least be hardly any Pendolino services from Birmingham as most service will transfer to HS2

How many Manchester girls can you fit in a HS2 train .........Never mind forget I said that 😂

Hs2xis waste of money... it should upgrade existing track to hold 250mph that will make it easier for high speed train to increase from 125mph to 200mph.

@northpointcity-

9 ай бұрын

Where will the slow trains go then?

@jamiestone1809

9 ай бұрын

That's much easier said than done. How are you going to get a train on constantly bending tracks through city and town centres to go at 200mph?

@peterwilliamallen1063

8 ай бұрын

You cannot upgrade the existing WCML to 250 MPH because of the existing infrastructure, freight services and slower passenger trains

Awful

Wow, look how beautiful the countryside side is, shame they put this monstrosity right down the middle of it

@raymondo162

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, but look at the arrows..... the amount of 'habitat creation' is astonishing. sakes. LOL

@davecooper3238

Жыл бұрын

Being built around a mile & a half from my home. I don’t see it as a problem. They have already replaced a dangerous blind summit cross roads with a much safer traffic Island. Not far away there will be realigned A road. That will take out a kink that has claimed lives over the years.

@GIOGS

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you want tens of thousands of diesel polluting lorries on our roads instead of a high speed rail project that is designed to increase freight capacity on the west coast mainline. Not a very environmentally positive opinion.

@idot3331

Жыл бұрын

A 100% electric high speed rail line that is silent 98% of the time is much nicer than a huge motorway belching diesel fumes and constantly filled with the hum of traffic. I think such a modern marvel of technology is beautiful, I'd love to be able to live near it and have a view of the trains. A motorway is much wider, much louder, much more polluting and much less efficient, but you don't seem to have a problem with them despite the fact that they're already all over the country. The fact is that we need to build means of transport, and unless you want to go back to living in the dark ages, an electric railway is probably the most pleasant and environmentally friendly form of transport you can build.

@LightbulbTedbear2

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same about all the motorways already blasted through the countryside in every inch of this country. Except, unlike trains, those motorways make inescapable noise at all times.

Scrap HS2

@peterwilliamallen1063

2 жыл бұрын

Why

@CRIMSONANT1

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 .. because it’s an environmental disaster of epic proportions & the biggest White Elephant this country has ever seen. As recently as last May, the Public Accounts Committee stated that HS2 would NEVER offer value for money & in a post Brexit, post Covid society, the proposed passenger & freight targets could NEVER be achieved. Excellent news that the Eastern leg has now been scrapped & fingers crossed the rest of this monstrous vanity project will never see the light of day.

@peterwilliamallen1063

2 жыл бұрын

@@CRIMSONANT1 What are you rabbiting on about, you sound like the anti vaxers, firstly HS2 will never meet offer value for money in any era on Freight as HS2 will not have any freight trains travelling on it, it is purely a passenger carrying Railway all freight trains will travel on the existing Railway lines where HS2 will free up capacity for both Freight and other Passenger services, next YES it will be value for money on passenger services on proposed passenger services post Brexit / Covid as now post Covid people now have to go back to Office based working and Covid Restrictions are finishing but not just that the services on HS2 will be operated by Avanti West Coast / Trans Italia who also operate the West Coast Mainline from the North and Midlands to London so all that will happen if you are travelling from Scotland, Manchester or Liverpool to London these Inter City High Speed Trains will divert at Crewe on to the HS2 line direct to London freeing up the Trent Valley Route of the WCML. Trains operated by Avanti West Coast from Birmingham New Street to London Euston will be transferred to depart from Birmingham Curzon Street using the HS2 route to Euston so sorry passenger targets will be met easily and SORRY TO DISAPPOINT YOU but if you lived any where near to HS2 I think you would notice the amount of construction work going on in an advanced stage so no it wont be cancelled now. God there seems to be a lot of WHITE ELEPHANTS flying around this the new saying. Just man up to it HS2 is coming and staying, all your news is at least 5 years old now.

@CRIMSONANT1

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 .. where did I ever say that HS2 would carry freight? I said "the proposed passenger & freight targets could NEVER be achieved". HS2 Ltd claim one of the so called "benefits" of high speed travel is to free up other lines & enable more freight to travel by rail which will remove hundreds of thousands of lorries from the roads every year. Not going to happen I'm afraid - even the most optimistic economic forecasts show that freight has already reduced by one third since we left the EU & almost another decade will pass before HS2 is operational. As for passenger numbers .. again, not going to happen - I refer you to my earlier comment relating to the proposed numbers which are completely unsustainable. As for people returning to work after working from home. The 50 biggest companies in the UK have had the majority of their staff working from home for nearly two years & have no plans whatsoever to have them return to the "office" even though Covid restrictions are easing.

@peterwilliamallen1063

2 жыл бұрын

@@CRIMSONANT1 As I said there are NO FREIGHT TARGETS FOR HS2, your words not mine originally so how in your words can they never be achieved if the line will not carry freight, HS2 will only carry passengers. What happens; 1/ HS2 opens Between Birmingham and London 2/ 95% of Intercity Traffic is transferred from the Birmingham New Street to London Euston Line to the HS2 route. 3/ This then frees up the Railway System firstly in the West Midlands area allowing more track space for both Freight and local and other Inter City Services 4/ The HS2 route from Birmingham to Crewe opens 5/ This then frees up the Trent Valley route of the WCML due to all long distance Inter City trains from Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland to divert at Crewe on to the HS2 route 6/ This then frees up the Trent Valley route for other passenger services and Freight services to run and in the mean time a domino effect takes place in freeing up track space all over the rail network. As 95% of passenger's from Birmingham to London will travel on HS2 as the only route passenger numbers ARE guaranteed mate plus the Northern trains running on it, I think you need to watch the news a bit more, Working from home has now finished since Covid rules have ended, for the last 2 years we have had strict covid rules which finish this week, so you need to get your ideas up to date as HS2 is going to be the main Inter City route from the North west and Midlands to London and they are already moaning in the East Midlands because the Eastern leg has been cancelled and they wanted it

I feel nothing but disgust for the project. It's a national disgrace.

@TheSeafordian

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's great. Better rail than road.

@raymondo162

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSeafordian but when you get to your station - what do you do?? get on a road!!

@Scottish_Transport_Explorer

Жыл бұрын

@@raymondo162 Once you have gotten to your station, you can use buses, trams, taxis, or even better, walking!

@mar07in

Жыл бұрын

@@raymondo162 Notice how the stations are connected to... local train stations and bus stops!

@idot3331

Жыл бұрын

@@raymondo162 You've been indoctrinated for so long you forgot public transport exists. Sad, isn't it?

I want you all to look at the beginning of this video. What you see acres upon acres of concrete. That is land that cannot breathe, that is land that cannot absorb water, that is land where nothing grows. If these politicians had the way the whole countries can be like that it will because eventually not an island but the city called UK city. The HS2 will destroy more of hour farmlands of what's left of our natural countryside. Because eventually along its route all the green what's left will be covered in concrete because businesses will be starting up, then you'll have more of a green covered in tarmac for the car parks, then you'll have more covered in concrete for the housing estates. Do you not understand anything about the policy you all embrace, it is a policy that is hellbent on destroying everything it wants to cover the whole of the UK in concrete and tarmac. This is why you are having all these floods because concrete doesn't absorb water neither does tarmac. Your natural countryside can absorb 70% more water than farmlands, 100% moree water than concrete and tarmac. That's why these floods I getting worse the more you cover the landing concrete buildiing homes and roads were more floods you will have. Because there is no way of this water to go Except down your street and into your homes. Because a policy of endless growth is not compatible it is this suicidal policy and the only reason people embrace it because they will not see the final result of this policy in their lifetime though they are witnessing keep now but living in denial. Because the people who are alive today will not see it grow to its full maturity but your children and grandchildren will. That's why we have to stop it we have to get rid of it this endless growth policy does not benefit our environment it does not benefit our wildlife and it certainly doesn't benefit us. This systeem of ecconomic growth create a segregated society, you have at the top the few rolling in absolute luxury, at the bottom you havve the millions of people rolling in poverty, tax credit the benefit culture which breeds over 90% of your crime. Then in the middle you have the people who pay tthrough the nose for everything includiing both top and bottom ends of society. That's why the system cannot solve any problems and it is why you are infested with all these problems because it is unworkable. because you live on an island so you caannot have endless growth because you don't have endless space to have endless growth in when are you people going to wake up to that reality.

@anubis6864

4 жыл бұрын

What a load of bollocks! In case you hadn't noticed, the beginning of the route from Birmingham is already under concrete and has been for decades. I gave up reading your diatribe half way through and if people like you had been around in Victorian times we wouldn't have had ANY railways built in this country.

@joewood5647

4 жыл бұрын

@@anubis6864 And is going to be covered in more concrete isn't it. The HS2 is going to destroy ancient woodlands. and then we have a Prime Minister promising to protect the environment. and when the HS2 is finally finished there will be businesses starting up on its route will do not. covering the land with more concrete. then you'll have the housing estates for the people to work in them businesses covering the land with more concrete. then you'll have the roads covered in tarmac. you need to wake up to reality because you're talking a load of bollocks. Natural countryside absorb 70% more water than farmmlands, 100% more water than concrete and tarmac. that why we have all these floods and they are getting worse with every year it couldn't have anything to do with the fact we are continuously covering the land in concrete and tarmac? I have been contacted by another person who lives in a delusional world. we are over populated how can I say that simple do we have a policy on population control, NO we don't.! so the result of not having such a polity will be what, overpopulation. in 2014 David Cameron stated that our buildings only take up 9% of the UK landmass. last year on the BBC a programme announced that our buildings only take up 5% of the UK landmass. Then just recently on the BBC again a programme called UK wild a presenter said our buildings only take-up 3% of the UK landmass. so what next less than 1%..

@anubis6864

4 жыл бұрын

@@joewood5647 Thanks for your latest diatribe, it just goes further to prove what I said before - you talk a load of bollocks and twist the facts to suit your own narrative. Your obsessive hate of concrete and tarmac have obviously addled your brain, but it might interest you to know that concrete in it's original form was invented by the Romans thousands of years ago.

@joewood5647

4 жыл бұрын

@@anubis6864 That's an excuse people use to try and cover up their inability to grasp reality. it's a load of bollocks, you're talking rubbish, other words meaning they are too stupid to understand what I'm talking about, so they revert to the only thing that is left in they're corner sarcasm and name calling. it is why our world is in the mess it is in because there are more people like you in it then there are like me. because it is not people like me that as created this world, it is people like you.

@anubis6864

4 жыл бұрын

@@joewood5647 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Just hark at Mr Perfect! You should team up with that silly little Greta cow, you're both as daft!

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