But some clubs have a stack of apology letters and lost points

@_Uh_Oh_

Жыл бұрын

That's ok, they said sorry lol.

@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings

Жыл бұрын

City going for Utd 3peat Howard Webb made Chief Referee Rashford Offside goal given Vs City FA Cup Winner decided?🤔

@lewboy1

Жыл бұрын

This was the same (worse) before VAR existed. Except they never admitted their mistakes

@hammertic

Жыл бұрын

Yeah , West Ham have the most.😠

@hammertic

Жыл бұрын

In fact they have a stack that is MASSIVE everywhere we go.😄⚒️⚒️🇿🇦

This truly is a great interview. I love Jim and Simon, and how they are never afraid to truly challenge the guest during an interview. Top class.

Who remembers that time Liverpool's Ryan Babel posted Howard Webb in a Man Utd after league game between two clubs.

Bottom line is refs are human and honest, whereas football players will lie through their teeth.

@wbafc1231

11 ай бұрын

And managers

The thing is that its literally every week that they are getting decisions wrong, if they got a few wrong here and their the fans could understand but it feels every week with a dodgy handballs or fouls that should have been reds or whatever are not been called or decisions that look obvious are taking ages to come to a conclusion.

@_Uh_Oh_

Жыл бұрын

Amusing how teams like City just so happen to benefit too (like last year) - makes them look corrupt or incompetent

@seemymobot4987

Жыл бұрын

The correlation between hating referees and bad grammar is uncanny

@davidregal2979

Жыл бұрын

@@_Uh_Oh_ the likes of Liverpool would be tenth in the league without var

@tomben6180

Жыл бұрын

@@_Uh_Oh_People will invent whatever they can about City to try and diminish yet another Premier League title. The fact is City were robbed in the derby at Old Trafford, in what Keith Hackett, someone Fifa have ranked in the top 100 referees ever, described as “the worst offside call I’ve ever seen”. Did you not see the stone wall foul on Haaland at Everton at the weekend too? How about the penalty Arsenal got vs City at the Emirates, when the ball had already gone, a type of challenge I’ve never seen given as a penalty? How about Liverpool getting three soft penalties recently and a handball against them vs West Ham not given? How about Arsenal getting 10 minutes added on when whenever they were needing a goal?

@bigbernie7260

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidregal2979 🛎 end alert again.

Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊

@GamerFrisco

Жыл бұрын

Facts 💯

@lfcspectre4335

Жыл бұрын

@@GamerFrisco 💪😉👍💯 Facts

You don't have to roll out a ref for mistakes only. If there's a situation where a player got (rightly) sent off, or there was a scrap between two players that was managed well, or even just a free flowing game where the ref played an advantage that led to goal, they could be interviewed then, lauding their good decisions and asked about it. The PGMOL can put the ref in front of the press whenever they like so it's not correct to suggest they'll only be interviewed after mistakes.

No, the things that cut deep to me is refs "forgetting" to draw the lines when deciding an offside.

@stephenokpunor6402

Жыл бұрын

it happened once bro move on

@Jimbo199

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenokpunor6402 And cost the league leaders 3 points that could have changed the outcome of this race. They FIRED someone over it FFS you absolute spanner... Are you that thick?

2:02 A fair example, but why not also refer to the most egregious one where Lee Mason literally FORGOT to draw the line in the match between Arsenal and Brentford. How would you explain that blunder being the head of the PGMOL? One would assume that drawing the line is a mandatory protocol, especially where the actions leading to a goal is in question.

moyes called them out they did him dirty for that

Simon speaking for the average fan watching sky sports last night

Simon is bang on with this. We need to see the video and hear the audio of how and when the officials get it wrong... Also the nervousness around being interviewed after games. If it's every game then it should be when officials have had a "good game" and can also get the plaudits for their skills. But most importantly be held accountable as they are certainly not at the moment.

If you can't be perfect using technology then the problem is those using the technology not the technology

i like VAR but i think it should be better implemented

@CuiuneDelSud

Жыл бұрын

VAR isn't the issue , it's the people that run it

In order to prevent players diving and faking injury I think custodial sentences need to be introduced.

@Jimbo199

Жыл бұрын

Good one..

@msimms-ft9yv

Жыл бұрын

i assume your joking, if not -well diving is not a crime

Naw. Ref really did Brighton dirty this season. They should have top four

The best ref is one you don't even know is there.

Weird...we had no problems at the world cup....

When VAR was first used in the world cup, they got it right. The referees were well trained and unbiased and swift. What's happened eventually is the unfortunate situation that other forces are whispering in their ears to influence their decision. In the mls, there was a situation where var was checked twice and the referee got it right.

@khayateme5376

Жыл бұрын

There weren't many English referees in the WC, they some how look emotionally attach during premier league games

@nadeemamode

Жыл бұрын

@@khayateme5376 howard webb doesn't strike me as someone who would hire from abroad. But you might be right about emotions playing a part. Maybe hire american referees from american football.

@Jimbo199

Жыл бұрын

Where is your PROOF that referees are being influenced by outside forces? Please answer with FACTS, il wait......

@liamayre8774

Жыл бұрын

​@@Jimbo199 can't say for a matter of fact but we've seen countless times thus season where a ref has made a huge blunder in there last game and the pressure seems to mount on them the next game

@nadeemamode

Жыл бұрын

@@Jimbo199 did i not give you the example that a referee had to go back twice to get the decision right? Also that headset is just for show, the referee gets no input from elsewhere. You wouldnt recognise facts even if i ran you through a bleep test.

VAR does work, clearly the technology works. It’s the process of VAR needing improvement

He hasn't answered the question of accountability what happens to the ref in the VAR official for them to explain why they made that decision.

Why not have them mic'd up like they are in rugby?

All apart from Liverpool. They can’t complain.

Refs should be interviewed ater a game the same as managers, whether they've had a good game or bad.

wait when there is var in cup games some clubs the var never gets reviewed espcially when playing top 6.

But where is the audio for these bad calls? He only put out the easy, obvious 1s they got right.

@LethalMartialArtist

Жыл бұрын

Did you listen to the video at all?🤷‍♀️ Watch it again and he gives an explanation.

Howard Webb the World cup final referee that should have sent 2 players off, but bottled it, absolutely crap!!!

Bigger Picture: You can't buy better Referee. They have what they have. Referee in football has to make more subjective decisions than the objective ones. This is not the case for loads of other sports like Rugby, American Football, etc. Their game is stop-start, Football is not. Here we need to accept a trade off between correct decisions and time. Overall, the only solution I see, is a long term one, which is to make the Referee job attractive with high salary and attract loads of applicants and try to increase the pool size to choose from.

@stevewelsh8560

Жыл бұрын

stop start? you don't need to stop for a long period to speak, the game is stopped for VAR, why not let the fans know immediately what is going on as it is happening, no need to stop to speak ffs.

The whole point of VAR is to prevent in the moment mistakes. Points are what's important, not an apology or disciplinary after the fact, it doesn't matter then. Until we have officials mic'd up and we can hear reasonings for their decisions, then fans will assume the worst about those officials, whether that be team bias or just ineptitude. Unfortunately, I see the argument of better being silent and thought of as those things, than to speak and remove all doubt. I believe in VAR as a concept, but good lord they don't do themselves any favours.

Oh sure it’s just a coincidence Everton went nearly 4 years without a player being sent off for dangerous play against them isn’t it? Countless amount of dangerous tackles in that time and countless apologies

Fully Agree with him, every team that played United with Webb officiating felt that the referees were against them. Anyways Howard Webb, you are a true ManU legend. Respect.

@saynotocommunism

Жыл бұрын

@Hayder Al-Mohammad SAY NO TO MARRYING YOUR SISTER FATIMA

@saynotocommunism

Жыл бұрын

@@jakepayne9707 You are not that bright are ya? I clearly mentioned the times when Webb was still refereeing PL games. That wouldn’t be this season, right?? Typical United donut fanboy🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@saynotocommunism

Жыл бұрын

@@jakepayne9707 In that case, I am the bigger donut 🤣 for assuming that you were a United fan.

@cheesybellend6842

Жыл бұрын

@Hayder Al-Mohammad capitalsm works , show me an example where socialism works

Simon makes a great point, but they'll have to re make the audio, would be a give away when you hear someone say 'give it to city they've paid' or give it to them, it'll be a talking point

@magikarpsplashy

Жыл бұрын

And you think the average Joe that is in charge of controlling that audio wouldn't have released it to make himself rich? 😂 4 seconds of logical thinking will really help you in future

@ashwilliams4959

Жыл бұрын

@@magikarpsplashy you think it's an average joe in charge that's hilarious 😂

@magikarpsplashy

Жыл бұрын

@Ash Williams yea you're right, the pay the random tech guy millions of pounds a year. Silly me 🙄

Jordan good at pushing people

Perhaps the referee can announce the decision being make via mic to the audience just like how the NFL announce the decision being make after watching it on screen. That will clear the air or at least let people know the decision was being make.

It has got better Howard. I watched you with my own eyes fiddle every Man Utd game but now only that fella from Manchester who is a united fan and they put in charge of liverpool games does

As a Forest fan, I think we've been fairly treated. Decisions have gone for us and against us. Happy with the refereeing, too. I think overall, considering were at the bottom and the bigger clubs have players that are better at conning the refs, I think the refs have been good in our games. Some decisions, like cheap freekicks against us have led to goals that mean we've lost the game. But in reality, there were a thousand other moments that led to us losing the game.

That statement is a great example of tryna save your ass, easy ill just say i screw over everyone so that no one calls me biased

Var was brought in to lessen faults by the refs and officials yet it’s become so opposite it’s deciding games incorrectly

@msimms-ft9yv

Жыл бұрын

i still believe more errors were made before var

Here’s an idea for Webb. Just give me a little % of the income you’ll get from it. Why don’t you have a weekly podcast where you can discuss some of the bigger VAR decisions from the previous weeks games & have a rotating panel on this from all the VAR people. You could even have ex players & managers etc & maybe even fans of different clubs as guests to give their opinions on them which will give both sides an insight into how they see things.

Why wa sphere only one still picture shown to the referee for casimiro's red against palace?

@theblues8840

Жыл бұрын

Because that still showed him lunging with both feet off the floor and with his studs up. That’s a red card no matter what happens afterwards

@Change_II

Жыл бұрын

@@theblues8840 in talking about strangling will hughes

@theblues8840

Жыл бұрын

@@Change_II hahaha well you’ve just answered your own question then, he was sent off for hands around his neck so the ref was shown a still of that moment

50/50 can go against anyone but what about the 30/70 or the 20/80 even worse I’ve seen decisions given that were 99/01 ridiculous calls.if we can see these decisions at home are wrong how can referees with 20 cameras can’t?

We don’t want perfection we want consistency

@Killerkwoi13

Жыл бұрын

you'll never get that in a game run by human beings, stop being naive

@msimms-ft9yv

Жыл бұрын

consistant imperfection?

Manchester United legend 😍

We dont want TV Programmes from Howard " Give me more Money "Webb, nor any of his cronies, we want the correct decisions, correct lines instead of wobbly ones, and clear decisions when a player is clearly onside and these idiots call offside. I remember the controversial goal given when Thierry Henry handled the ball not once but twice when scoring for France V RO Ireland in a play off for a place in the World Cup, if Webb and his cronies where on VAR that night, they would deem these incidents as accidental handball and the goal stands.

Much respect to Mr. Webb, i think he is being honest with his take on the refs job.

I am very very surprised that interpretation of the law wasn’t asked. Interpretation by referees and their decisions are what makes VAR seem inferior. Why did referees interpret that Rashford wasn’t offside when he clearly was interfering? What did referees interpret that the West Ham player fouled Kepa when Kepa fouled the player and ended up disallowing a perfect goal?

The problem is the number of clear errors. It doesn't matter which club you support, the probability your club has been on the wrong end of a clear error that VAR should have corrected is incredibility high. The fact that we are having to talk about this just shows how much the referees are bottling decisions.

Forgot to mention the decisions the big 6 get

@OmgUKilledKenny8499

Жыл бұрын

Like forgetting to draw the lines on VAR against Brentford..?

@msimms-ft9yv

Жыл бұрын

is there really any evidence for that-.people say they get more penalties,well thats because they create more chances in opponents box

HW What an imposter !!!

City going for Utd 3peat Howard Webb made Chief Referee Rashford Offside goal given Vs City Referee Integrity can't be Questioned?🤔

The main teams that have been shafted the most by VAR and officials this season in order: Wolves Bournemouth West Ham Brighton Newcastle Leicester Leeds

@monkey71100

Жыл бұрын

brighton have been wronged the most and had the most opologies

So he sidestepped that question my Jordan, he didn't address it. Why not?.. I suppose it's hard to say it's corrupt..

When your using Technology perfection is a necessity

What I want to hear about is the dumb rule of clear and obvious... Where they check for 2min and say it's not clear and obvious... When u could check for 30s and send the ref... Let the ref make the decisions

Can he just stop getting airtime refs decisions and the way VAR has been implemented this season is a joke.

I'd rather listen to Howard Webb than Danny Murphy any day

Howard Webb we accept that. Move on

The worrying thing for me is the guy who’s now head of referees was the guy who was famous for being Fergies go to man and if that’s the guy the rest are looking to then it’s no wonder they’ve all been so bad

Just scrap VAR

Rugby League has been doing officials communication live for years and their decisions are better, the players behave better, and the result is in plain sight, why is it so hard for football to do it? are they so feeble?

Changing perceptions of ref starts at grass roots and accountability, all refs are paid at every level , coaches at grass roots are not yet are accountable for there actions at all times , in 12 years of coaching I have never once seen a ref apologise or be made accountable for there mistakes , this has to change or no respect can be earned

Howard Webb-Fergie's right hand man and Man United legend

Red cards for diving or going down too easy and we wouldn't need var

@theblues8840

Жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️🤣

Bigger teams always get the decisions over the smaller teams. Very rarely you see VAR go against the big teams. Just as when Fergie was at united when every ref including Webb gave 99 % of decisions to united. So listening to Webb is actually funny

If VAR isnt perfect why are we using it? Ref by himself isnt perfect.

@msimms-ft9yv

Жыл бұрын

var more likely to get close decisions right than any ref who only has one split second view

Theres 3 that stand out for me, incorrect.offside against arsenal. Brighton vs Tottenham where there were seceral awful decisions and casimiro red cards. Season has been manipulated by poor officiating

How many penalties have United gotten since Klopp complained they were getting "too many", not that any particular decision was wrong, just that we were getting too many. Refereeing in PL is a farce.

@olaoyewo2308

Жыл бұрын

And you've still had more penalties this season than Liverpool.

@ComradeOgilvy1984

Жыл бұрын

When mancs are forever whinging about Liverpool getting 5 PKs in a season to win the title by a gobsmacking 18 points, then Klopp pointing out that MU got 14 PKs the same season is a legitimate point to make. A manager is right to turn the argument around and point out the context. Those who are the most upset about this should look in the mirror for whom to blame.

@101RadioheadCovers

Жыл бұрын

@@ComradeOgilvy1984 no, it is not legitimate to compare penalties given to 2 different teams. It would be legitimate to count how many penalties were given that shouldn't have been or vice versa,and compare those. That's not what Klopp or the media did at the time. They just said "too many penalties for United". Referees agreed apparently and just stopped giving United penalties.

@ComradeOgilvy1984

Жыл бұрын

@@101RadioheadCovers Well, in that particular year, MU received about 6 or 7 PKs that should not have been given. So it does not make an iota of sense to complain about Liverpool's 5 until that is corrected, right? By your own reasoning, it sounds like you believe Klopp did the right thing.

@101RadioheadCovers

Жыл бұрын

@@ComradeOgilvy1984 sure dude, show me one penalty they got that they shouldn't have the. I didn't complain about Liverpool, I complained about referees and the fact that they don't make decisions based on what what's happening on on the pitch, but instead give in to pressure from the media/opposition managers. It's Liverpool fans jumping in to defend themselves from a non-existent attack as usual.

Love how people criticize referees all the time, but havent ever been a ref themselves. Even as a professional, its pretty damn hard. Officiate a game and see for yourself. Simon Jordan should do this, let him be a ref once, hes gonna crumble

@sando99

Жыл бұрын

I don't think there's a such a huge problem with referees making a mistake, it's when something like a player being clearly tripped in the penalty area occurs, and the person, who has a system to show him multiple replays from different angles, refuses to believe his own eyes, goes along with an incorrect decision. That's when the integrity of the officials is brought into question. Also, the fact that officials seem to have different interpretations of the laws of the game does not make it any better.

He will never let refs come out and explain a poor decision because he’s been a ref and made poor decisions and doesn’t want that pressure on them. They should be made to come out.

Am I the only one who listens to Howard Webb and just have a bad gut feeling

Livarpool 95/5

Watch a game as a neutral and you see blatant outrageous VAR misjudgements. VAR is killing the game by changing results and changing history. Why spend huge amounts of money time and effort to go see a game and the result is nothing to with what actually happened on the pitch? It is gut wrenchingly wrong.

@theblues8840

Жыл бұрын

Because referee’s never got things wrong before VAR did they…. 🤦‍♂️

Because var has screwed over almost every time ,I will give a manunited example since I'm a manunited fan ,the casemiro red cards where not reds and should never of been a var check ,I bet all the other clubs have bad var stories

@theblues8840

Жыл бұрын

Exposing your own stupidity there mate, Casemiro was rightly sent off because the laws of the game were already written before that incident or do you expect special treatment because he’s a united player?

This guy is a politician and very much a part of the zero accountability attitude pervasive in British officiating.

I don't think a referee should be interviewed after matches. When he's done an amazing job, no one talks about them or wants to hear from them. When they make mistakes, then they will be interviewed. It doesn't make sense

@knoxy6884

Жыл бұрын

You're right but refs should be held accountable and explain their reasoning for coming to a decision if they have had a bad game. The problem is however there are a lot of sticky areas in the law of the game which needs ironing out. I'm sick of hearing how different refs have different perceptions and interpretations of the law, they've over complicated very simple footballing rules. All refs should have the same perceptions of the law if they've been trained properly.

tell me one incident where liverpool got a decision against them. most teams are 50-50 but not liverpool. every 50-50 even 70-30 goes to liverpool.

All I heard is refs are humans and will get it wrong from time to time. We will talk about it but only when it suits us and we decide what we talk about. It is very poor. And the worst thing is, I don’t think they understand how bad it actually is. I meant talking about interviews after the game would end up only being negative. Well yeh. No1 is going to come out and talk to you about the job that your meant to do correctly and paid to do. The standard is you get it right. That’s the job. Far too many wrong decisions. Maybe deal with the odd few but it’s becoming a weekly event.

Liverpool are enraged because of the way the 90 minutes were so unashamedly weighted in favour of one team. Stop trying to discount this appalling treatment with the narrative "every team claims var is against them" You are a disgrace.

Well at least this proves that it's the referees who are as detached from reality as VAR. Leeds United definitely get more decisions against them than others,it really showed in the Leicester match last night.They were absolutely awful but the referee gave them decisions that left people still scratching their heads. Spurs for example. Kane farts in the 18 yard box and it's a penalty.

Sure the rodri handball won city the league last year. They apologised after it but that is simply not good enough

Man utd Ref...Webb😂😂 Webb retire NO EPL NO FA

Still no black British referees in the game yet you go bring referees from Australia

@MMCV963

Жыл бұрын

How many black British people are even trying to be referees in football and are good enough for the premier league? It's all well advocating for representation but you need to take other things into consideration too.

@johnclegg4993

Жыл бұрын

Here was me thinking Uriah Rennie was black, honestly people need to think before they speak or type.

@praiseayobamiabraham1219

Жыл бұрын

If you did think you'll know he was the first and last ever.

You have the technology to call every action 100%%%% fairly. You cannot give excuses. Apologies are good but the lost points are not reversed. You are playing God , you need to act like one.

ANYONE who wants to be a referee is a left brainer....has very little mind of their own...goes along with 'The Rules' and takes orders without question. No respect for people like that...same as police officers....people in the services....obey orders without question. Winkers!

The main teams that have benefitted from poor use of VAR and poor officals in order: Liverpool Tottenham (the top 2 by a MILE!) Man U Man City Chelsea

@jlimbac0

Жыл бұрын

Ooooo so close but no. Liverpool yes. But Tottenham are -2 in the var table. Much closer to bottom.

@ComradeOgilvy1984

Жыл бұрын

There is definitely an anti-Liverpool cult in English fandom. Keep in mind, the two times Klopp went ballistic is when officials pretended to not see 3 or 4 big tugs on Salah from behind with fistfuls of jersey, fouls that were easily seen from 200 meters away.

Liverpool fans can't complain about VAR.

All the experts in the comments where do these refs come from? They don’t magically wake up and one day ref in the league. This is the best we currently have. There’s surely enough fans out there that could want a career change and do it. Of course they won’t cos it’s so much easier to moan

@knoxy6884

Жыл бұрын

Daft comment. You do know it takes years of training to referee at the highest level? Anyone who made a career change and did it would take years. Some of the PL refs are dinosaurs who need to leave, some are experienced and are underperforming and some have come from the lower leagues and are clearly not good enough to referee at a high level. People have a right to moan when they're paying money to see their teams get robbed by poor officiating.

This commission is sponsored by Newcastle. See you at the Saudi yacht like always

@firestarter1888

Жыл бұрын

If thats the case then why have newcastle had dozens of very dubious decisions? Or are you a bitter Leeds fan?

@mozan33r71

Жыл бұрын

@@firestarter1888 Leeds? Do they even have fans? Everyone sees what they are doing mate. Ain't no secret

@firestarter1888

Жыл бұрын

@@mozan33r71 Then explain how they have dropped multiple points because of bad VAR decisions? In which case Newcastle would be still in the contention for the title. Crystal Palacw, Bournemouth, Brighton, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U in the crab cup final (blatantly offside). The decisions were shocking and cost Newcastle about 15 points. That fact alone contradicts your delusional and petulant comment, even more so than one of the countries best supported teams has no fans.

@mozan33r71

Жыл бұрын

@@firestarter1888 No they were not, and on a contrary you got more decisions in Newcastle favor. I get it, you are the new gen of plastic fans hoping to ride the wave of success. But these refs and those in Champions League vacationed in Saudi Arabia on yachts, not in elsewhere.

@firestarter1888

Жыл бұрын

@@mozan33r71 Not sure what you have been watching, but its not Newcastle matches and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. As if you did you would see that Newcastle have had more than their fare share of terrible VAR decisions. In terms of new gen of Newcastle plastic fans, I have suported Newcastle since 1989. Therefore another baseless, assumptive and inept remark from yourself, who makes comments without evidence, credibility or anything to back up your pointless exaggerated claims whatsoever. 1. Newcastle have paid referees to get favourable results 2. Leeds have no supporters 3. I am a plastic new gen fan. 4. Referees are holidaying on Saudi yachts. All of which are completley untrue and you have no idea about the drivel you relentlessly spout and can not back any of your pointless claims with a shred of evidence. I get it, you are an unhinged jealous troll willing to jump on any twitter rumour, like it is a substantiated fact. 🤡

The PGMOL is a disaster. English Refereeing is a joke. It amazes me that when the same English referees officiate in European and International tournaments backed by VAR they are not vulnerable to these "human errors." The problem is not the rules and tools but rather how they are interpreted and used. The PGMOL along with the FA and Premier League are clearly going against the FIFA standards and that is the reason we have so many problems with refereeing inconsistencies in our Leagues.

A incorrect decision cost clubs point, which in turn cost club money...NUFC Izzak shadow could cost nufc a Champions league place....

We used to laugh at american sports for having to much stopping and starting and too much officiating and now look at this trash. You can't even celebrate a goal anymore without first waiting 2 mins, ruined the game, started more arguements than you solved and introduced anxiety to the supporters where there was none.